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October 20th 04, 09:36 PM
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"JAMES HAMPTON" wrote No one, CB, novice, technician, general, advanced, nor extra, has all of the answers. If we learn to live together, we might *all* learn something. Talked to a young fella on the repeater the other day who introduced himself by saying "my first personal is Jim and you're my first contact, QSL?". He seemed like a nice sort, delighted that he had just received his shiny new call sign, and was anxious to make some new friends. Kinda sounded like I felt when I put my new call sign on the air the first time way back when, except probably brighter, cuz Jim is one of those young computer jocks. Me, I still got problems with the LL scale on my Pickett slide rule. Yep, I think Jim sounded brighter than me, quick to catch on to things. But I don't think Jim will be back on the repeater. Before I had a chance to really get to know much about Jim, or even wrangle an invite to lunch, another station, with an impressive "senior" call sign joined the contact, flashed his shiny Radio Cop badge, and proceeded to issue Jim a "verbal speeding ticket" for improper lingo on the radio. "Radio Cop" said the term "personal" (and for that matter "handle") were unwelcome in ham radio, and that Q-signals were not to be used on VHF voice. Just generally made my newfound friend feel like an unwashed interloper. (Gosh, I've been saying "handle" since I was a conditional class. Slow to catch on, you know.) Now I should point out that "Radio Cop" took pains to appear very well meaning. Didn't use any bad words that I noticed, was quite polite, even seemed like he was trying to be "helpful." In other words, he thought he was doing Jim a favor by pointing out his transgression from our sacred Amateur Radio way of doing things. I think Jim felt just the same way I did back in a new school in third grade when the well meaning teacher pointed out that "we don't keep our pencil behind our ear in this room." Sure enough, I looked around and none of my new classmates had pencils behind their ears. Sure was embarrassing, and at that moment I really wished I was back with my good old buddies in second grade. Now, if I'd been allowed to hang out a couple of days, I'm sure I would have learned how to properly stow my pencil. And if Jim would have hung around a couple of days on our repeater I just bet he would have noticed that his lingo, perhaps learned in another radio service, was a bit out of place, and pretty soon Jim would sound "just like the rest of us." Like I said, he seemed pretty bright to me, quick to catch on to things. "Radio Cop", you have kept our hobby uncorrupted. I heard Jim down around 27 Mhz this morning, and saw his ad on eBay trying to sell his barely used 2-meter HT. I'm gonna miss my new friend Jim, because I think I could have learned something from him. Maybe you could have also. Like I said, he seemed pretty bright to me, quick to catch on to things. But he left us. Wonder what he "caught on" to? 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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October 20th 04, 10:27 PM
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Subject: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: "KØHB" Date: 10/20/2004 3:36 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: . net "Radio Cop", you have kept our hobby uncorrupted. I heard Jim down around 27 Mhz this morning, and saw his ad on eBay trying to sell his barely used 2-meter HT. I'm gonna miss my new friend Jim, because I think I could have learned something from him. Maybe you could have also. Nice story, Hans. Read one almost like it in CQ a few years ago. Coincidence? I don't think so. Isn't it off season for trolling? Steve, K4YZ |
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October 20th 04, 11:37 PM
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"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote
Nice story, Hans. Thank you. Read one almost like it in CQ a few years ago. Coincidence? I don't think so. Naturally you'll decline to cite the issue in which you read the story and provide proof of your slimy ill-disguised accusation of plagarism. Coincidence? I don't think so. So I'll call your bluff, Steve. Cite the CQ issue which contained this story, not written by me, and I'll send a public apology "Letter to the Editor" to my buddy W2VU, Editor of CQ. Your move. Put up or shut up. With warmest personal regards, de Hans, K0HB |
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October 21st 04, 12:00 AM
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Subject: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: "KØHB" Date: 10/20/2004 5:37 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: . net "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote Nice story, Hans. Thank you. Read one almost like it in CQ a few years ago. Coincidence? I don't think so. Naturally you'll decline to cite the issue in which you read the story and provide proof of your slimy ill-disguised accusation of plagarism. Nope...I'll dig for it. As for "slimy"...That goes with your ill-disguised attempts to be an upstanding human being. Coincidence? I don't think so. So I'll call your bluff, Steve. Cite the CQ issue which contained this story, not written by me, and I'll send a public apology "Letter to the Editor" to my buddy W2VU, Editor of CQ. Your move. Put up or shut up. Good question, Hans. When I find it, I'll hand deliver it so I can film you eating it. No need to send it to your "buddy", Rich. I'm not his "buddy" but I doubt he'd be interested in pusblishing an "apology" that was a spin-off of a USENET flame fest. His character is a bit more robust than yours. With warmest personal regards What is it with you, Lennie and Brain making public statements you don't mean...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
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October 21st 04, 12:42 AM
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"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote
fm: to: Dear Rich, Some time ago a story appeared in CQ that told a story about a young, recently licensed operator who made the mistake of using "CB" lingo on the repeater. The story went on to tell about a "crusty" old op that subsequently read him the riot act on the air, causing the young op to rethink his Amateur "career". Can you help me locate this article? Thanks! Steve Robeson, LPN Amateur Call K4YZ Winchester, TN fm: K0HB to: W2VU Hi Rich, Just so you know what's going on...... Back in 1997 on one of the USENET newsgroups, rec.radio.amateur.policy, I wrote the story quoted below. Today I repeated it there in response to a related post from Jim, AA2QA, trying to promote more harmony among the various license classes. Another fellow there, K4YZ, has suggested I plagiarized the story from CQ magazine, and I've called his bluff. You'll get a message from him asking to locate the story in CQ. 73, de Hans, K0HB ------------------------------------------------------------------- Where did Jim go? Talked to a young fella on the repeater the other day who introduced himself by saying "my first personal is Jim and you're my first contact, QSL?". He seemed like a nice sort, delighted that he had just received his shiny new call sign, and was anxious to make some new friends. Kinda sounded like I felt when I put my new call sign on the air the first time way back when, except probably brighter, cuz Jim is one of those young computer jocks. Me, I still got problems with the LL scale on my Pickett slide rule. Yep, I think Jim sounded brighter than me, quick to catch on to things. But I don't think Jim will be back on the repeater. Before I had a chance to really get to know much about Jim, or even wrangle an invite to lunch, another station, with an impressive "senior" call sign joined the contact, flashed his shiny Radio Cop badge, and proceeded to issue Jim a "verbal speeding ticket" for improper lingo on the radio. "Radio Cop" said the term "personal" (and for that matter "handle") were unwelcome in ham radio, and that Q-signals were not to be used on VHF voice. Just generally made my newfound friend feel like an unwashed interloper. (Gosh, I've been saying "handle" since I was a conditional class. Slow to catch on, you know.) Now I should point out that "Radio Cop" took pains to appear very well meaning. Didn't use any bad words that I noticed, was quite polite, even seemed like he was trying to be "helpful." In other words, he thought he was doing Jim a favor by pointing out his transgression from our sacred Amateur Radio way of doing things. I think Jim felt just the same way I did back in a new school in third grade when the well meaning teacher pointed out that "we don't keep our pencil behind our ear in this room." Sure enough, I looked around and none of my new classmates had pencils behind their ears. Sure was embarrassing, and at that moment I really wished I was back with my good old buddies in second grade. Now, if I'd been allowed to hang out a couple of days, I'm sure I would have learned how to properly stow my pencil. And if Jim would have hung around a couple of days on our repeater I just bet he would have noticed that his lingo, perhaps learned in another radio service, was a bit out of place, and pretty soon Jim would sound "just like the rest of us." Like I said, he seemed pretty bright to me, quick to catch on to things. "Radio Cop", you have kept our hobby uncorrupted. I heard Jim down around 27 MHz this morning, and saw his ad on eBay trying to sell his barely used 2-meter HT. I'm gonna miss my new friend Jim, because I think I could have learned something from him. Maybe you could have also. Like I said, he seemed pretty bright to me, quick to catch on to things. But he left us. Wonder what he "caught on" to? 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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#7
October 21st 04, 03:33 PM
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"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote fm: to: Dear Rich, Some time ago a story appeared in CQ that told a story about a young, recently licensed operator who made the mistake of using "CB" lingo on the repeater. The story went on to tell about a "crusty" old op that subsequently read him the riot act on the air, causing the young op to rethink his Amateur "career". Can you help me locate this article? Thanks! Steve Robeson, LPN Amateur Call K4YZ Winchester, TN fm: K0HB to: W2VU Hi Rich, Just so you know what's going on......(SNIP) Received the following from Rich, W2VU: QUOTE: Dear Steve, I did a search of our online database, which extends back to 1990, and found nothing. I also checked and found nothing in CQ VHF. On the other hand, this is unfortunately such a common experience that it wouldn't surprise me if some variation on the theme has been published somewhere before. I see that you've copied K0HB on your request for information. Hans and I have been e-mail correspondents over many years now, sometimes agreeing on things and sometimes disagreeing. But I seem to recall that some years back, HE wrote something along these lines - posted it somewhere on the internet as I recall. Internet postings tend to take on lives of their own, often traveling far beyond their original intended audiences. Perhaps parts of his story were quoted by a columnist for some ham magazine? Or maybe it was reprinted (with or without his permission) in a club newsletter? You might ask Hans if his story - if I'm remembering things correctly - was ever published anywhere. vy 73, Rich W2VU Editor, CQ UNQUOTE In as far as remembering that the article was from "CQ", I am apparently wrong. My own personal "library" of "CQ" only goes back to January 2001. In as far as stating it was CQ, I was wrong and apologize to Hans for that. I have, however, sent a letter to the ARRL to inquire of them if the story was thiers. If that too comes up empty (and assuming Hans doesn't feel compelled to send THEM a "heads up", too...) I will complete the apology. There WAS an story. If I remeber it from here, then I was wrong as to it's origin and author. Steve, K4YZ |
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#8
October 21st 04, 07:21 AM
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Hello, Hans
This group could learn something, but I doubt most are able. To the group: I was on Guam when Hans provided communications that the U.S. Navy couldn't. Yep, ol' stupid Hans loaded up a fence and contacted KG6AAY on Guam and communications were passed directly to ComNavMar. So go ahead and say what you may; I know better and so does Hans. Grow up and try and do something constructive. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim - AA2QA "KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "JAMES HAMPTON" wrote No one, CB, novice, technician, general, advanced, nor extra, has all of the answers. If we learn to live together, we might *all* learn something. Talked to a young fella on the repeater the other day who introduced himself by saying "my first personal is Jim and you're my first contact, QSL?". He seemed like a nice sort, delighted that he had just received his shiny new call sign, and was anxious to make some new friends. Kinda sounded like I felt when I put my new call sign on the air the first time way back when, except probably brighter, cuz Jim is one of those young computer jocks. Me, I still got problems with the LL scale on my Pickett slide rule. Yep, I think Jim sounded brighter than me, quick to catch on to things. But I don't think Jim will be back on the repeater. Before I had a chance to really get to know much about Jim, or even wrangle an invite to lunch, another station, with an impressive "senior" call sign joined the contact, flashed his shiny Radio Cop badge, and proceeded to issue Jim a "verbal speeding ticket" for improper lingo on the radio. "Radio Cop" said the term "personal" (and for that matter "handle") were unwelcome in ham radio, and that Q-signals were not to be used on VHF voice. Just generally made my newfound friend feel like an unwashed interloper. (Gosh, I've been saying "handle" since I was a conditional class. Slow to catch on, you know.) Now I should point out that "Radio Cop" took pains to appear very well meaning. Didn't use any bad words that I noticed, was quite polite, even seemed like he was trying to be "helpful." In other words, he thought he was doing Jim a favor by pointing out his transgression from our sacred Amateur Radio way of doing things. I think Jim felt just the same way I did back in a new school in third grade when the well meaning teacher pointed out that "we don't keep our pencil behind our ear in this room." Sure enough, I looked around and none of my new classmates had pencils behind their ears. Sure was embarrassing, and at that moment I really wished I was back with my good old buddies in second grade. Now, if I'd been allowed to hang out a couple of days, I'm sure I would have learned how to properly stow my pencil. And if Jim would have hung around a couple of days on our repeater I just bet he would have noticed that his lingo, perhaps learned in another radio service, was a bit out of place, and pretty soon Jim would sound "just like the rest of us." Like I said, he seemed pretty bright to me, quick to catch on to things. "Radio Cop", you have kept our hobby uncorrupted. I heard Jim down around 27 Mhz this morning, and saw his ad on eBay trying to sell his barely used 2-meter HT. I'm gonna miss my new friend Jim, because I think I could have learned something from him. Maybe you could have also. Like I said, he seemed pretty bright to me, quick to catch on to things. But he left us. Wonder what he "caught on" to? 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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October 21st 04, 07:49 AM
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Subject: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: "JAMES HAMPTON" Date: 10/21/2004 1:21 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Hello, Hans This group could learn something, but I doubt most are able. To the group: I was on Guam when Hans provided communications that the U.S. Navy couldn't. Yep, ol' stupid Hans loaded up a fence and contacted KG6AAY on Guam and communications were passed directly to ComNavMar. So go ahead and say what you may; I know better and so does Hans. Grow up and try and do something constructive. There's a lot of "constructive" things that can be done in this world, Jim. We all do what we can and in our own ways. No one doubts that Hans has done many of the things he has said. Indeed, there is much documented to prove his assertions. However that's not MY current issue with him. It seems Hans has a problem with anyone threatening his "authority" or daring to take his bluffs. I wrote a very benign letter to Rich, W2VU at CQ magazine to try and locate the article that I remembered reading. Hans felt it necessary to give Rich a "heads up" letter that could do nothing but induce prejudice on Rich's part in finding the item to which I refered. P L E A S E show me the "constructiveness" or "fairness" of Hans' actions. Inquiring minds, etc etc etc.... 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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#10
October 21st 04, 10:43 AM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: I wrote a very benign letter to Rich, W2VU at CQ magazine to try and locate the article that I remembered reading. Here's why it looks familiar: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...ews.com&output =gplain http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...1.deja.com&out put=gplain http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...1.deja.com&out put=gplain I don't read CQ with any regularity so I don't know if it's in there or not. 73 de Jim, N2EY "My name is Jim and despite being lectured to by numerous 'radio cops' and 'newsgroup cops', I'm still a radio amateur and still online" |
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