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Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
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Date: 10/20/2004 6:55 PM Central Standard Time
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Riley is not a Extra class.

Dan/W4NTI

Quote from several Extra's on RRAP, "So what's his problem?"

Which of "several Extra's", Brain?

There's only a few of us, so it can't be TOO hard to pony up
a quote.

Re-quotes from posts, please? FACTS...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

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Date: 2004-01-25 12:31:04 PST

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In article ,
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go thru to get on the air. There were neighborhood radio clubs
which didn't allow full voting memberships to Novices and Techs
. . .

And in the mid-60s there were still some who did similar things.
Indeed, there were Advanceds who looked down on Generals,
Generals who looked down on Conditionals, Conditionals who
looked down on Techs, and Techs who looked down on Novices. Etc.

And it wasn't just kids vs. adults, either.

Yessir, It's 2004 and it's **still** out there. Guy was up late
last year for the vote on approving his membership application
into The Group (the 43rd & Kingsessing "Group" we're both familair
with yes?)

You mean the one where the attendance sheet looks like the DXCC
Honor Roll?

and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser:
"Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level
from the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?"

Well, what IS his problem?

That group is heavily focused on DX and contesting - particularly
DX contesting. They're "a bit competitive"....

Anything less than an Extra is a big competitive disadvantage in DX
contesting. Like not being able to work split. So why doesn't the
guy get one? Even if he only works 'phone, all he need do is pass
element 4. And he's had almost 4 years.

No, wait, that's not a good reason. Those writtens are really
tough. More than 4 years ago, (Jan 19, 2000, to be exact) a certain
verbose nonham here said he was going for Extra "right out of the
box". But no ham license of any class yet. And this nonham says
he's a "radio PROFESSIONAL"....

Maybe he should apply to The Group. I'd like to attend that
meeting....

Then as now, they were few - but noisy.

Maybe it was different where you were, Dan.

It's all just cycles Dan and the 1968 maneuver was not the
first cycle by any means and welcome to the current cycle.
There will be others.

Circle Game.

Dit-dit!

Still nothing from one of "us"

It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras"
in RRAP suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a
problem".

That's right.

The story relates the telling of some club some time ago
wherein some other group of people may have acted stupidly.

That depends on the definition of "stupid".

You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim,
or myself, among others, as having said anything close to
"what's his problem" over not being an Extra class licensee.

Let's clear this up.

The club referred to above is a special-interest amateur radio
organization, not a general-purpose club. Their focus is HF
contesting and DXing, setting up stations to do those things better,
and not much else. They don't do domestic contests or QSO parties;
they focus on the big stuff. Their members are highly competitive,
and progressive. (Example: They were among the very first to have
computers in their hamshacks).

In pursuit of the club goals, an Extra class license is pretty much a
necessity, because the DX is often in those subbands. That's just the
way it is.

So the fact that somebody without an Extra would even apply for
membership and expect to be taken as a serious DXer/contester by that
bunch indicates a problem someplace.

The "what's his problem" reaction above happened a relatively short
time ago, not the 1960s, so the code test wasn't the issue at all.

Is that an "elitist" situation? Maybe - but that club is an elite
group. Their accomplishments in their chosen field tell the tale.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I don't know Jim. I know I guy who is on the DXCC Honor Roll and is
only a General.

Of course. The exception that proves the rule.

I'm an Extra and I don't even have my basic DXCC.

Me neither. I'm not into DXing that much.

I could see the
same might apply to contesting too.

Sure.

The discussion quoted above was about admission to a very serious
DX/contest club. Their standards are high, and their goal is to win.
Not having an Extra is an easily-avoided disadvantage, and that the
applicant didn't understand that was an indication that he didn't
really understand what the club is all about.

Heck, if I applied, they'd probably ask me what logging software I use
in contests. And when I told them I use paper logs, they'd probably
say:

"What's *your* problem, Jim?"

73 de Jim, N2EY

I use paper logs too, and you're probably right about that, I'm sure they
would look askance at it.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

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