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Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ia_us_election I've often wondered what the world would be like today if we'd let the Krauts take the Kremlin back then instead of backing Stalin . . And THEN have creamed the Krauts. |
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election I've often wondered what the world would be like today if we'd let the Krauts take the Kremlin back then instead of backing Stalin . . And THEN have creamed the Krauts. They almost did! But Adolf managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by such dumb moves as dividing his invasion force and exterminating rather than befriending the Ukranians. The high point of German occupation of the USSR came just before Pearl Harbor. Then they started being pushed back. Had Stalin lost, the western alliance would have had the job of defeating a Germany that had USSR's resources behind it, and no second front. Scary 73 de Jim, N2EY Wow! You guys sure take some kind of vector off of a left turn. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. May a thousand "camel humpers" (?is that what Steve called them?) move into my nice neighborhood. |
William wrote:
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election I've often wondered what the world would be like today if we'd let the Krauts take the Kremlin back then instead of backing Stalin . . And THEN have creamed the Krauts. They almost did! But Adolf managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by such dumb moves as dividing his invasion force and exterminating rather than befriending the Ukranians. The high point of German occupation of the USSR came just before Pearl Harbor. Then they started being pushed back. Had Stalin lost, the western alliance would have had the job of defeating a Germany that had USSR's resources behind it, and no second front. Scary 73 de Jim, N2EY Wow! You guys sure take some kind of vector off of a left turn. And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I kind of thought that was what we were here for. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote: PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election I've often wondered what the world would be like today if we'd let the Krauts take the Kremlin back then instead of backing Stalin . . And THEN have creamed the Krauts. They almost did! But Adolf managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by such dumb moves as dividing his invasion force and exterminating rather than befriending the Ukranians. The high point of German occupation of the USSR came just before Pearl Harbor. Then they started being pushed back. Had Stalin lost, the western alliance would have had the job of defeating a Germany that had USSR's resources behind it, and no second front. Scary 73 de Jim, N2EY Wow! You guys sure take some kind of vector off of a left turn. And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I kind of thought that was what we were here for. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" - Mike KB3EIA - Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? |
William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election I've often wondered what the world would be like today if we'd let the Krauts take the Kremlin back then instead of backing Stalin . . And THEN have creamed the Krauts. They almost did! But Adolf managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by such dumb moves as dividing his invasion force and exterminating rather than befriending the Ukranians. The high point of German occupation of the USSR came just before Pearl Harbor. Then they started being pushed back. Had Stalin lost, the western alliance would have had the job of defeating a Germany that had USSR's resources behind it, and no second front. Scary 73 de Jim, N2EY Wow! You guys sure take some kind of vector off of a left turn. And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I kind of thought that was what we were here for. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" - Mike KB3EIA - Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election I've often wondered what the world would be like today if we'd let the Krauts take the Kremlin back then instead of backing Stalin . . And THEN have creamed the Krauts. They almost did! But Adolf managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by such dumb moves as dividing his invasion force and exterminating rather than befriending the Ukranians. The high point of German occupation of the USSR came just before Pearl Harbor. Then they started being pushed back. Had Stalin lost, the western alliance would have had the job of defeating a Germany that had USSR's resources behind it, and no second front. Scary 73 de Jim, N2EY Wow! You guys sure take some kind of vector off of a left turn. And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I kind of thought that was what we were here for. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" - Mike KB3EIA - Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Because they were nothing more than a mouthpiece for the left. No point in tax dollars funding that. They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. What control did they have previously? I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. - Mike KB3EIA - It's a sham when NPR rolls over to BBC at night. |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ia_us_election WTF is all this political crapola suddenly doing on rrap. Next thing you know we'll be arguing about whether the democraps or the republicannots were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic, and whether CW could have saved the WTC. |
Subject: How ya gonna vote Comrade?
From: "KØHB" Date: 10/28/2004 1:57 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: . net "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election WTF is all this political crapola suddenly doing on rrap. Next thing you know we'll be arguing about whether the democraps or the republicannots were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic, and whether CW could have saved the WTC. You mean we don't already...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
KØHB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ia_us_election WTF is all this political crapola suddenly doing on rrap. Next thing you know we'll be arguing about whether the democraps or the republicannots were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic, and whether CW could have saved the WTC. Just that I was a little shocked when I saw who was backing the guy. Strange days, eh? Good to see people of opposing ideologies getting along, isn't it? Possibly even Len and Steve? (ducking for cover) 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
KØHB wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ia_us_election WTF is all this political crapola suddenly doing on rrap. Next thing you know we'll be arguing about whether the democraps or the republicannots were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic, and whether CW could have saved the WTC. Just that I was a little shocked when I saw who was backing the guy. Strange days, eh? Good to see people of opposing ideologies getting along, isn't it? Possibly even Len and Steve? (ducking for cover) 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - Who knows? With proper treatment, Steve just might be a likeable guy. |
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: How ya gonna vote Comrade? From: "KØHB" Date: 10/28/2004 1:57 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: . net "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election WTF is all this political crapola suddenly doing on rrap. Next thing you know we'll be arguing about whether the democraps or the republicannots were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic, and whether CW could have saved the WTC. You mean we don't already...?!?! Steve, K4YZ How quickly you both forget. It seems like only yesterday that Greenspan was calling to "put the brakes on the economy!" Then the Pentagon and WTC were hit. |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Yep. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Yep. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. Just no need to be so sensitive! I'm here for a "bloody good row", and I want to hear opinions that differ with mine. Some, like Len, think I'm trying to play the middle, and am not "controversial" enough. Taint so! I'm here to civilly discuss issues, and an occasional fishing expedition too! It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... So it seems...... I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? There is a cruelty there that is damning, especially that his fellow "family value" spouting, right thinking people didn't hop on that. Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? hehheh They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. I guess I skipped around there a bit. I meant that to Newt and his minions (hey - what IS the difference between a minion and a crony, anyhoo?) the fact that they did not Kill public broadcasting, they lost any ability to control it. As long as they controlled the purse strings, they could threaten to cut off monies if public broadcasting didn't start broadcasting "properly" ala Fox News. Instead, they made that wrong assumption about public broadcasting's will to survive, and even thrive. So instead of doing what they wanted to do, they inadvertently did the right thing. Happens once in a while. Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. NO doubt. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. I stopped watching the show after a person in Taos NM was redoing his house. The host immediately asks him what the budget is. Upon getting the answer - $150,000 - he made all kinds of clucking noises about how hard it was going to be to redo a place for that little. This was at a time when the typical new house in our area was going for that much. I figured the show wasn't too relevant to me anymore. - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../ap_on_re_eu/r ussia_u s_election And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Yep. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. Just no need to be so sensitive! On whose part? I'm here for a "bloody good row", and I want to hear opinions that differ with mine. Me too! Some, like Len, think I'm trying to play the middle, and am not "controversial" enough. Taint so! I'm here to civilly discuss issues, and an occasional fishing expedition too! I miss K2UNK. He and I differ on practically every amateur radio policy issue ever discussed here, yet there is never any animosity or personal attack. It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... So it seems...... Kill the messenger? I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". There are true victims, who have actually been wronged, and there are folks who blame everything bad on others. Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? See? "It's all the liberals' fault!" For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? There is a cruelty there that is damning, especially that his fellow "family value" spouting, right thinking people didn't hop on that. Did you *really* expect fellow Pubs and conservatives to criticize Mr. Speaker? (Look up how many times Rush Limbaugh has been married...) Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? hehheh Lots of examples like that. They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. I guess I skipped around there a bit. I meant that to Newt and his minions (hey - what IS the difference between a minion and a crony, anyhoo?) Crony is a fellow-traveler, minion is an underling. the fact that they did not Kill public broadcasting, they lost any ability to control it. And that's good! As long as they controlled the purse strings, they could threaten to cut off monies if public broadcasting didn't start broadcasting "properly" ala Fox News. Instead, they made that wrong assumption about public broadcasting's will to survive, and even thrive. They also completely misunderstood what we the people really want. So instead of doing what they wanted to do, they inadvertently did the right thing. Happens once in a while. Law of Unintended/Unforeseen Consequences Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. (just like good ol' Radio Moscow used to be) I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. NO doubt. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. I stopped watching the show after a person in Taos NM was redoing his house. The host immediately asks him what the budget is. Upon getting the answer - $150,000 - he made all kinds of clucking noises about how hard it was going to be to redo a place for that little. This was at a time when the typical new house in our area was going for that much. I figured the show wasn't too relevant to me anymore. Real estate is one of those things that varies all over the place. Look at realtor.com and see how much the same house costs in different parts of the country, or even in different parts of the same *county*. It's all in what you're used to. In a house worth, say, $500,000, a $150,000 re-do isn't such a big deal if it includes really serious upgrading. Heck, I know folks doing $100,000 improvements to $300,000 houses - because the cost of the house they want, a couple of blocks over, is well over $450,000. And we're not talking mansions or fancy places, either. Eventually that bubble will burst. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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In article , Mike Coslo some snippage for clarity Just no need to be so sensitive! On whose part? On theirs. When there is a disagreement, the reaction is all out of proportion. I'm here for a "bloody good row", and I want to hear opinions that differ with mine. Me too! Some, like Len, think I'm trying to play the middle, and am not "controversial" enough. Taint so! I'm here to civilly discuss issues, and an occasional fishing expedition too! I miss K2UNK. He and I differ on practically every amateur radio policy issue ever discussed here, yet there is never any animosity or personal attack. It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... So it seems...... Kill the messenger? I had a co-worker that I would get into discussions with occasionally. I knew I had won the argument when he would freak out on me. We're talking yelling, name calling, etc. He would always come back later and apologize, and since he was a decent sort, that was okay by me. Here, no apology is forthcoming, perhaps. I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". There are true victims, who have actually been wronged, and there are folks who blame everything bad on others. You mean like the folks that never paid attention to Harry Truman's "The buck stops here"? Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? See? "It's all the liberals' fault!" 1. Liberals believe in spending lots of money regardless of tax monies received. 1a. Conservatives believe in a balanced budget, with money spent no less than equaling input from taxes. 2. Liberals believe in using government to further their social agendas. 2a. Conservatives believe that the government that governs least governs best. This means getting government off peoples backs. 3. Liberals believe in the government taking in tax dollars, and redistributing them as welfare. 3a. Conservatives believe in "If you can't make it on your own, you aren't going to make it/ So lessee, we gots ourselves record deficits (coming after a surplus) and tax reductions - Hey, there's a recipe for bankruptcy! We gots faith based initiatives, and a drive for vouchers, we gots a castrated version of stem cell research - Hey ya know the rest of the world is moving ahead - just one more way we are falling behind. Now if we can just get that damnable evolution out of the schools... And as we have scaled back on personal welfare, corporate welfare is just boomin' baby! So who is the liberals, and who is the conservatives? For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? There is a cruelty there that is damning, especially that his fellow "family value" spouting, right thinking people didn't hop on that. Did you *really* expect fellow Pubs and conservatives to criticize Mr. Speaker? (Look up how many times Rush Limbaugh has been married...) What is amazing is that there is more than one woman in the world that would mate with him. Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? hehheh Lots of examples like that. They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. I guess I skipped around there a bit. I meant that to Newt and his minions (hey - what IS the difference between a minion and a crony, anyhoo?) Crony is a fellow-traveler, minion is an underling. the fact that they did not Kill public broadcasting, they lost any ability to control it. And that's good! Yup! As long as they controlled the purse strings, they could threaten to cut off monies if public broadcasting didn't start broadcasting "properly" ala Fox News. Instead, they made that wrong assumption about public broadcasting's will to survive, and even thrive. They also completely misunderstood what we the people really want. It's pretty common. It is like the networks bringing out new "reality shows" because they are what get people watching - while ignoring the fact that network viewership continues to tumble. It's why the music industry bemoans declining sales, and blame it on MP3 file sharing, completely ignoring that their present product is way overpriced - oh, and by the way, the fact that "popular" music SUCKS these days might have something to do with it, eh? So instead of doing what they wanted to do, they inadvertently did the right thing. Happens once in a while. Law of Unintended/Unforeseen Consequences Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. (just like good ol' Radio Moscow used to be) ZZZZZZZiiinnngggg! You done brought the thread home, Jim! I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. NO doubt. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. I stopped watching the show after a person in Taos NM was redoing his house. The host immediately asks him what the budget is. Upon getting the answer - $150,000 - he made all kinds of clucking noises about how hard it was going to be to redo a place for that little. This was at a time when the typical new house in our area was going for that much. I figured the show wasn't too relevant to me anymore. Real estate is one of those things that varies all over the place. Look at realtor.com and see how much the same house costs in different parts of the country, or even in different parts of the same *county*. It's all in what you're used to. In a house worth, say, $500,000, a $150,000 re-do isn't such a big deal if it includes really serious upgrading. Heck, I know folks doing $100,000 improvements to $300,000 houses - because the cost of the house they want, a couple of blocks over, is well over $450,000. And we're not talking mansions or fancy places, either. Eventually that bubble will burst. Yup, like when Mr. and Mrs. Smartbuy decide to sell their 20,000 sq. ft McMansion and move into a apartment or condo after they retire, and find no market for it? They will be trying to sell a huge house that costs a fortune to heat and keep up, and is poorly constructed to boot. WoW! I've been on a rant here! - Mike KB3EIA - |
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writes: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo some snippage for clarity Just no need to be so sensitive! On whose part? On theirs. When there is a disagreement, the reaction is all out of proportion. Yes, I've noticed that. Nothing new, really - look up how Len behaved in "the sphincter post". That one was a classic! Basically, a fellow who had been a USCG radio operator described what it was like doing so at the station in Hawaii. Using Morse code on 500 kHz and HF for maritime communications. Not in the 1930s, either. Post wasn't even addressed to Len IIRC. Len didn't exactly show respect for the skill and dedication required to do that job. I'm here for a "bloody good row", and I want to hear opinions that differ with mine. Me too! Some, like Len, think I'm trying to play the middle, and am not "controversial" enough. Taint so! I'm here to civilly discuss issues, and an occasional fishing expedition too! You're pro-code-test, Mike, and therefore a target for anyhting Len can think up. I miss K2UNK. He and I differ on practically every amateur radio policy issue ever discussed here, yet there is never any animosity or personal attack. It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... So it seems...... Kill the messenger? I had a co-worker that I would get into discussions with occasionally. I knew I had won the argument when he would freak out on me. We're talking yelling, name calling, etc. He would always come back later and apologize, and since he was a decent sort, that was okay by me. Here, no apology is forthcoming, perhaps. Haven't seen one in more than seven years. In fact it works the other way: If you get to the point where you've actually proven a mistake on the part of the other party, the resentment and abuse get worse. This was clearly demonstrated when Len stated that he'd *never* used a certain screen name on rrap - and then I googled up a few posts where he had. I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. What's interesting is that you'll see OT assertions about how somebody was doing military radio while you were still in diapers, but no explanation about how that connects to amateur radio policy today. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". There are true victims, who have actually been wronged, and there are folks who blame everything bad on others. You mean like the folks that never paid attention to Harry Truman's "The buck stops here"? Yep. When asked if he'd made any mistakes in his time in the White House, our president replied that he'd made some mistakes in appointing certain people. That was all. Talk about buck-passing! Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? See? "It's all the liberals' fault!" 1. Liberals believe in spending lots of money regardless of tax monies received. That's a classic complaint of their fiscal policies. 1a. Conservatives believe in a balanced budget, with money spent no less than equaling input from taxes. Supposedly 2. Liberals believe in using government to further their social agendas. Agendas which focus on special interest groups, supposedly 2a. Conservatives believe that the government that governs least governs best. This means getting government off peoples backs. Minimal regulation 3. Liberals believe in the government taking in tax dollars, and redistributing them as welfare. Supposedly so that those who receive the welfare will advance to the point where they don't need it any more. 3a. Conservatives believe in "If you can't make it on your own, you aren't going to make it/ AKA "free market" or "Darwinism". So lessee, we gots ourselves record deficits (coming after a surplus) and tax reductions - Hey, there's a recipe for bankruptcy! In less than four years we went from surplus to incredible deficit. Last time we did that to such an amazing degree was when Ronald Reagan was president... We gots faith based initiatives, and a drive for vouchers, we gots a castrated version of stem cell research - Hey ya know the rest of the world is moving ahead - just one more way we are falling behind. Now if we can just get that damnable evolution out of the schools... And keep those gays from getting hitched! Yep, that'll solve all our problems... Back in the 1970s, the USA imported about a third of the oil used here. Now we import about two-thirds. Wrong direction. And as we have scaled back on personal welfare, corporate welfare is just boomin' baby! Only for certain organizations. So who is the liberals, and who is the conservatives? Bingo! You oughta write that up, Mike. oh wait, you just did For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? There is a cruelty there that is damning, especially that his fellow "family value" spouting, right thinking people didn't hop on that. Did you *really* expect fellow Pubs and conservatives to criticize Mr. Speaker? (Look up how many times Rush Limbaugh has been married...) What is amazing is that there is more than one woman in the world that would mate with him. I'm amazed that there is one...! Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? hehheh Lots of examples like that. They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. I guess I skipped around there a bit. I meant that to Newt and his minions (hey - what IS the difference between a minion and a crony, anyhoo?) Crony is a fellow-traveler, minion is an underling. the fact that they did not Kill public broadcasting, they lost any ability to control it. And that's good! Yup! As long as they controlled the purse strings, they could threaten to cut off monies if public broadcasting didn't start broadcasting "properly" ala Fox News. Instead, they made that wrong assumption about public broadcasting's will to survive, and even thrive. They also completely misunderstood what we the people really want. It's pretty common. It is like the networks bringing out new "reality shows" because they are what get people watching - while ignoring the fact that network viewership continues to tumble. Inevitable result of more channels and more competing technologies. The interesting part of "reality" shows (to me) is that they're all based on fantasies! My favorite ones are the PBS ones where they put modern day people into setups from another time ("The 1900 House", "Frontier House", etc.) and see how they fare. What's neat is that they become subtle but powerful commercials for the modern life. It's why the music industry bemoans declining sales, and blame it on MP3 file sharing, completely ignoring that their present product is way overpriced - oh, and by the way, the fact that "popular" music SUCKS these days might have something to do with it, eh? Part of that is the fact that a CD costs so much yet may have only a few songs you want on it. There's also so many competing *legal* venues out there like satellite radio, streaming audio, the 99 cent iPod downloads, etc. So instead of doing what they wanted to do, they inadvertently did the right thing. Happens once in a while. Law of Unintended/Unforeseen Consequences Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. (just like good ol' Radio Moscow used to be) ZZZZZZZiiinnngggg! You done brought the thread home, Jim! Of course! See how the whole thing is actually on-topic? I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. NO doubt. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. This week's "Hometime" just exploded that theory completely, at least for that show. The project is a kitchen redo. Young family (Dad, Mom, 9 month old baby) in a small frame house with limited budget. Everybody pitches in, cabinets and appliances are from the home center some contracting and lots of homeowner work, etc. Home videos integrated into the show. Real-life headaches and stresses dealt with. Kinda like ham radio - lots of hams don't have ideal or even near ideal setups, but they manage to get on the air nonetheless. I stopped watching the show after a person in Taos NM was redoing his house. The host immediately asks him what the budget is. Upon getting the answer - $150,000 - he made all kinds of clucking noises about how hard it was going to be to redo a place for that little. This was at a time when the typical new house in our area was going for that much. I figured the show wasn't too relevant to me anymore. Real estate is one of those things that varies all over the place. Look at realtor.com and see how much the same house costs in different parts of the country, or even in different parts of the same *county*. It's all in what you're used to. In a house worth, say, $500,000, a $150,000 re-do isn't such a big deal if it includes really serious upgrading. Heck, I know folks doing $100,000 improvements to $300,000 houses - because the cost of the house they want, a couple of blocks over, is well over $450,000. And we're not talking mansions or fancy places, either. Eventually that bubble will burst. Yup, like when Mr. and Mrs. Smartbuy decide to sell their 20,000 sq. ft McMansion and move into a apartment or condo after they retire, and find no market for it? They will be trying to sell a huge house that costs a fortune to heat and keep up, and is poorly constructed to boot. Yep. And it gets worse: The McMansion is on a huge lot that has a pile of deed restrictions prohibiting things like subdividing the property, converting the house for multifamily use, etc. Meanwhile the apartment/condos that they want to go into keep climbing in price because so many other people in the same situation are buying them. WoW! I've been on a rant here! Not at all! 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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In article , Mike Coslo writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Yep. Social Democrats. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. When you tell someone that their opinions are invalid based upon whether they hold an amateur radio license, then that is exactly what you are doing. Have you ever done that Jim? It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... I especially liked your factoid where "a morse code exam acts as a barrier to morse code use." That was a gem. And I didn't even argue with it because it's true enough. But you argued with it. Then there is my all time favorite, uttered by Steve, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Steve's been backpedalling ever since. I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. Please allow me to set the record straight. You PCTA are constantly on Len for bringing up radio related experiences, but since they were not precisely amateur experiences, you have told him that he is off topic. So when you stray to space exploration, B&W movies, bad math, and lust for movie stars, he beats you over the head with your very own "Off Topic" drum. And you hate it. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Imprecisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? Are you emoticon blind? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Who are those people? Name them. I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, in order of importance: Amateurs, ARRL, FCC, Morse Code Exam. Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? Daily. I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". Not a parade in the usual sense. But day after day NPR features someone or some group with problems that only the government will be able to solve. I never realized that we had so many problems until I started listening to NPR. Then I realized that most of those people with problems would not have problems if they had stayed in school, didn't have sex out of wedlock, tried to raise children as a single, one earning or no earning parent, ... Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? Please name the other outfit(s) that can compete with Halliburton. Please explain why Clinton gave Halliburton a No-Bid contract when Clinton attacked Bosnia? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? I believe so. Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? Could have been. Whatever happened to that couple that intercepted the cell phone call? They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! They keep having fund raisers. Fine. That leaves them less time to spread their socialist ideology. As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. That is such an interesting statement. Fox News is a relatively new news outlet in the grand scheme of things. And they have set themselves apart; I believe that you called it "journalistic freedom." Gosh, how awful and how successful! Remember though, that many of the traditional news outlets have an agenda which favors Democrats. Recall that CBS initially got the Prisoner Abuse photos, and wouldn't run it themselves. They instead gave the photos to Al Jazeer to run first then they ran it. Then you've got the Dan Rather doctored documents. Why are these guys trying so hard to damage the president and America? Finally, I'd like to take issue with your use of the term "broadcasting." I do not have cable or satellite television. I do not see Fox News. Nor do I see CNN. So broadcasting it is not. I do have ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS broadcasts. Two are decidedly socialist and/or anti-American. I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. NPR is details oriented, and I like that. I get to learn a lot about the socialist viewpoint. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. I don't. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. I tire of the constant din of government solutions to everyone's problems. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. 73 de Jim, N2EY "Worst Economy in Fifty Years!" Hi! |
"N2EY" wrote Back in the 1970s, the USA imported about a third of the oil used here. Now we import about two-thirds. Wrong direction. And what is "wrong" about that? It's a global economy. You import what you have a shortage of, and export what you have a surplus of. Many countries import 100% of the oil they need! Damn right we import more oil! In the 1970's I drove a 4-cylinder compact car that sipped gasoline; today I drive several cars, one of which is a 32-valve turbo-charged V8 and pay less for fuel on an adjusted-for-inflation basis than I did 30 years ago in 1974. Sunuvagun! Ain't economics grand! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"William" wrote I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, ....... Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! There are more hams than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same. Problems? Hardly! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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From: "KØHB" Date: 10/31/2004 8:49 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: k.net "William" wrote I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, ....... Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! There are more hams than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same. Problems? Hardly! There's always "problems" when all you're looking for is trouble. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , Mike Coslo writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. When you tell someone that their opinions are invalid based upon whether they hold an amateur radio license, then that is exactly what you are doing. Have you ever done that Jim? Hold on, "William! Len's opinions can be invalid because they simply don't jibe with fact or they can be incorrect because he has no base of experience in amateur radio. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. Please allow me to set the record straight. You PCTA are constantly on Len for bringing up radio related experiences, but since they were not precisely amateur experiences, you have told him that he is off topic. So when you stray to space exploration, B&W movies, bad math, and lust for movie stars, he beats you over the head with your very own "Off Topic" drum. And you hate it. Are Len's classic sphincter post and the one about the proximity of Russian Bear bombers his way of beating himself over the head with his "off topic" drum? You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Who are those people? Name them. Start with the Board of Directors of NCI. Then list the membership. Oh wait! That isn't possible. I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, in order of importance: Amateurs, ARRL, FCC, Morse Code Exam. You're kidding, right? I see one of the major problems as those who claim they'd like to become a ham but who don't want to bother learning some part of the material required to become one. Aside from easy, no additional code test upgrades, the gains made in licensing overhaul are reversing themselves. Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? Daily. I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". Not a parade in the usual sense. But day after day NPR features someone or some group with problems that only the government will be able to solve. Like those who'd like to have a General or Extra ticket but who don't want to pass the 5 wpm code test? I never realized that we had so many problems until I started listening to NPR. Then I realized that most of those people with problems would not have problems if they had stayed in school, didn't have sex out of wedlock, tried to raise children as a single, one earning or no earning parent, ... It looks as if you're saying that if people tried to raise children as single parents or if only one or none of the parents in a marriage work, they wouldn't have problems. I'll assume that isn't what you really meant. Is it also your view that everyone who has had sex outside of marriage has problems and becomes a victim? Finally, I'd like to take issue with your use of the term "broadcasting." I do not have cable or satellite television. I do not see Fox News. Nor do I see CNN. So broadcasting it is not. According to your way of thinking, if you had no television set, the three major networks wouldn't be broadcasting? Do you have any idea of the number of households with either cable television or DBS satellite television? I do have ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS broadcasts. Two are decidedly socialist and/or anti-American. You know, "William", I'm a staunch Republican. Even I can't agree with that statement. Treat yourself to Dish Network or Direct TV this holiday season. Dave K8MN |
In article k.net, "KØHB"
writes: "William" wrote I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, ....... Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! Y'know, you've got a point there, Hans! There are more hams than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same. All true! *And*, we still retain almost all of what we had in the past. If someone wants to use, say, 1950s equipment, they can do so in almost all cases. In fact, that's true all the way back to about the 1920s. The rest of the world is slowly getting 40 meters doubled.. Problems? Hardly! A couple of things like BPL, sure, but not the end of the world. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Dave Heil wrote: William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , Mike Coslo writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. When you tell someone that their opinions are invalid based upon whether they hold an amateur radio license, then that is exactly what you are doing. Have you ever done that Jim? Hold on, "William! Len's opinions can be invalid because they simply don't jibe with fact or they can be incorrect because he has no base of experience in amateur radio. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. Please allow me to set the record straight. You PCTA are constantly on Len for bringing up radio related experiences, but since they were not precisely amateur experiences, you have told him that he is off topic. So when you stray to space exploration, B&W movies, bad math, and lust for movie stars, he beats you over the head with your very own "Off Topic" drum. And you hate it. Are Len's classic sphincter post and the one about the proximity of Russian Bear bombers his way of beating himself over the head with his "off topic" drum? You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Who are those people? Name them. Start with the Board of Directors of NCI. Then list the membership. Oh wait! That isn't possible. I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, in order of importance: Amateurs, ARRL, FCC, Morse Code Exam. You're kidding, right? I see one of the major problems as those who claim they'd like to become a ham but who don't want to bother learning some part of the material required to become one. Aside from easy, no additional code test upgrades, the gains made in licensing overhaul are reversing themselves. Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? Daily. I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". Not a parade in the usual sense. But day after day NPR features someone or some group with problems that only the government will be able to solve. Like those who'd like to have a General or Extra ticket but who don't want to pass the 5 wpm code test? I never realized that we had so many problems until I started listening to NPR. Then I realized that most of those people with problems would not have problems if they had stayed in school, didn't have sex out of wedlock, tried to raise children as a single, one earning or no earning parent, ... It looks as if you're saying that if people tried to raise children as single parents or if only one or none of the parents in a marriage work, they wouldn't have problems. I'll assume that isn't what you really meant. Is it also your view that everyone who has had sex outside of marriage has problems and becomes a victim? Finally, I'd like to take issue with your use of the term "broadcasting." I do not have cable or satellite television. I do not see Fox News. Nor do I see CNN. So broadcasting it is not. According to your way of thinking, if you had no television set, the three major networks wouldn't be broadcasting? Do you have any idea of the number of households with either cable television or DBS satellite television? I do have ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS broadcasts. Two are decidedly socialist and/or anti-American. You know, "William", I'm a staunch Republican. Even I can't agree with that statement. Treat yourself to Dish Network or Direct TV this holiday season. I am slowly getting the impression that "William" thinks that anything that doesn't EXACTLY match what he believes in is "anti-American". The ultimate litmus test, and what may be the eventual undoing of the Pubs. Is you with us, or agin us? And oddly enough, that is the exact same thing that he accuses the PCTA of doing. Which by the way, appears to be a favorite neo-con (old time lib) tactic. Immediately accuse your adversary of what you are doing. - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: William wrote: PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , Mike Coslo writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. When you tell someone that their opinions are invalid based upon whether they hold an amateur radio license, then that is exactly what you are doing. Not at all! Anyone can hold whatever opinions they want. Whether those opinions carry any validity depends on the facts of the situation and the thought processes which generate the opinion. For example, someone today may be of the opinion that the Earth is the center of the universe, and that the Sun, Moon, planets and stars all revolve around the Earth. Such an opinion can be shown to be almost completely unsupported by the facts. It's still partly valid, because the Moon does revolve around the Earth. Proving that the rest of the opinion is unsupported by factual evidence isn't saying a person can't hold the opinion, or that the opinion is "invalid". Of course, if a person wants to be taken seriously by others, or wishes to be considered rational, that person is under the obligation to recognize facts when presented. Have you ever done that Jim? I don't think I've ever written that a person cannot hold whatever opinions they want. I may have stated that if they want to be taken seriously and considered to be rational, they cannot hold opinions that are provably not in accordance with the facts. Hold on, "William! Len's opinions can be invalid because they simply don't jibe with fact or they can be incorrect because he has no base of experience in amateur radio. A person can still hold opinions that have no basis in fact, however. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. Please allow me to set the record straight. You PCTA Who is "you PCTA"? are constantly on Len for bringing up radio related experiences, but since they were not precisely amateur experiences, you have told him that he is off topic. So what? Is it not allowed to point out that something is off-topic? Where have I ever said that off-topic posting is not allowed here? Is it not permitted for someone to tell Len that his repeating the same stories over and over is boring? Most of all: When have I, or anyone except Len, ever told anyone here to "shut the hell up"? So when you stray to space exploration, B&W movies, bad math, and lust for movie stars, he beats you over the head with your very own "Off Topic" drum. Len will "beat over the head" anyone who disagrees with any of his opinions. That's been shown here time and again. And you hate it. Len goes off-topic more than anyone here, and has done so at greater length than anyone. And has been doing it for years. Are Len's classic sphincter post and the one about the proximity of Russian Bear bombers his way of beating himself over the head with his "off topic" drum? Don't forget the classic "feldwebel" post. You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Who are those people? Name them. Start with the Board of Directors of NCI. Then list the membership. Oh wait! That isn't possible. Sure it is - just not by an outsider. I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, in order of importance: Amateurs, ARRL, FCC, Morse Code Exam. You're kidding, right? I see one of the major problems as those who claim they'd like to become a ham but who don't want to bother learning some part of the material required to become one. Aside from easy, no additional code test upgrades, the gains made in licensing overhaul are reversing themselves. Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? Daily. I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". Not a parade in the usual sense. But day after day NPR features someone or some group with problems that only the government will be able to solve. Is that wrong? Like those who'd like to have a General or Extra ticket but who don't want to pass the 5 wpm code test? I never realized that we had so many problems until I started listening to NPR. Then they've taught you something. Then I realized that most of those people with problems would not have problems if they had stayed in school, didn't have sex out of wedlock, tried to raise children as a single, one earning or no earning parent, ... It looks as if you're saying that if people tried to raise children as single parents or if only one or none of the parents in a marriage work, they wouldn't have problems. I'll assume that isn't what you really meant. Is it also your view that everyone who has had sex outside of marriage has problems and becomes a victim? Perhaps. I think what's being said is that people whose spouses have died, run away, been abusive, been imprisoned or who simply cannot function as adults for one reason or another should not expect any help. Finally, I'd like to take issue with your use of the term "broadcasting." I do not have cable or satellite television. I don't either. I give the money to our local public radio and TV stations (WHYY). I do not see Fox News. Fox isn't available? Nor do I see CNN. So broadcasting it is not. According to your way of thinking, if you had no television set, the three major networks wouldn't be broadcasting? Do you have any idea of the number of households with either cable television or DBS satellite television? What's the point? I do have ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS broadcasts. Two are decidedly socialist and/or anti-American. Why? Because they dare to question The President? You know, "William", I'm a staunch Republican. Even I can't agree with that statement. Treat yourself to Dish Network or Direct TV this holiday season. I wonder how "William" would react to the film "Manchurian Candidate" (the classic original, not the remake"). 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"KØHB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"William" wrote I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, ....... Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! There are more hams than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same. Problems? Hardly! 73, de Hans, K0HB Jim says there are problems. |
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: How ya gonna vote Comrade? From: "KØHB" Date: 10/31/2004 8:49 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: k.net "William" wrote I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, ....... Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! There are more hams than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same. Problems? Hardly! There's always "problems" when all you're looking for is trouble. 73 Steve, K4YZ Especially when you go shooting off your mouth, trouble is sure to follow. You said so yourself. |
Brian Kelly wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ia_us_election I've often wondered what the world would be like today if we'd let the Krauts take the Kremlin back then instead of backing Stalin . . And THEN have creamed the Krauts. That is what General Patton wanted to do but they wouldn't let him. |
William wrote:
Wow! You guys sure take some kind of vector off of a left turn. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. May a thousand "camel humpers" (?is that what Steve called them?) move into my nice neighborhood. Test prove that nine out of ten men who tried Camels, went back to women. |
Mike Coslo wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ia_us_election Someone said voting for Nader was helping Bush. So if that will help Bush win, then I'm voting for Nader. |
Subject: How ya gonna vote Comrade?
From: (William) Date: 10/31/2004 9:13 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: How ya gonna vote Comrade? From: "KØHB" Date: 10/31/2004 8:49 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: k.net "William" wrote I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, ....... Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! There are more hams than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same. Problems? Hardly! There's always "problems" when all you're looking for is trouble. 73 Steve, K4YZ Especially when you go shooting off your mouth, trouble is sure to follow. You said so yourself. You're absolutely right. I said it about you. It's still true. You're still a liar. Steve, K4YZ |
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William wrote:
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article k.net, "KØHB" writes: "William" wrote I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, ....... Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! Y'know, you've got a point there, Hans! There are more hams than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same. All true! *And*, we still retain almost all of what we had in the past. If someone wants to use, say, 1950s equipment, they can do so in almost all cases. In fact, that's true all the way back to about the 1920s. The rest of the world is slowly getting 40 meters doubled.. Problems? Hardly! A couple of things like BPL, sure, but not the end of the world. 73 de Jim, N2EY I recall you claiming that we needed more not fewer license classes, and 13 and 20 wpm code exams. And BPL is such a minor thing... I must have got it wrong again. Hi! You must have, "William". There is serious talk of an entry level license. That'd be one more than we have now. Getting rid of the Novice license was a serious mistake. What was needed was a revision of Novice privileges. Dave K8MN |
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William wrote: PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article k.net, "KØHB" writes: "William" wrote I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, ....... Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! Y'know, you've got a point there, Hans! There are more hams than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same. All true! *And*, we still retain almost all of what we had in the past. If someone wants to use, say, 1950s equipment, they can do so in almost all cases. In fact, that's true all the way back to about the 1920s. The rest of the world is slowly getting 40 meters doubled.. Problems? Hardly! A couple of things like BPL, sure, but not the end of the world. 73 de Jim, N2EY I recall you claiming that we needed more not fewer license classes, and 13 and 20 wpm code exams. And BPL is such a minor thing... I must have got it wrong again. Hi! You must have, "William". There is serious talk of an entry level license. That'd be one more than we have now. Hmmm? And 1 less than we had when he made his complaint. Getting rid of the Novice license was a serious mistake. What was needed was a revision of Novice privileges. Dave K8MN And it appears that even you have a complaint wrt the amateur service. My goodness, just after Jim says everything is rosey! Jim tries to take an opposite position from me, just because it was me who said it. Typical bad attitude Extra. Anyway Dave, I agree with you (and Hans) that we need a legitimate entry level license. bb |
William wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in message ... William wrote: PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article k.net, "KØHB" writes: "William" wrote I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, ....... Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! Y'know, you've got a point there, Hans! There are more hams than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same. All true! *And*, we still retain almost all of what we had in the past. If someone wants to use, say, 1950s equipment, they can do so in almost all cases. In fact, that's true all the way back to about the 1920s. The rest of the world is slowly getting 40 meters doubled.. Problems? Hardly! A couple of things like BPL, sure, but not the end of the world. 73 de Jim, N2EY I recall you claiming that we needed more not fewer license classes, and 13 and 20 wpm code exams. And BPL is such a minor thing... I must have got it wrong again. Hi! You must have, "William". There is serious talk of an entry level license. That'd be one more than we have now. Hmmm? And 1 less than we had when he made his complaint. Hmmmm...a trend in the direction of Jim's idea. Getting rid of the Novice license was a serious mistake. What was needed was a revision of Novice privileges. And it appears that even you have a complaint wrt the amateur service. My goodness, just after Jim says everything is rosey! ....and it appears that the "William"-mobile can only go to the left or right at ninety degree angles. That makes taking life's curves really tough. Maybe you thought Jim and I carefully aligned our positions before posting. We do have a really good system. Jim posts what he believes and I post what I believe. Jim tries to take an opposite position from me, just because it was me who said it. Is that what you really believe? Typical bad attitude Extra. Bad attitude Extra=anyone who doesn't go along with you. I don't find you typical of General Class licensees. Would you care to put forth any additional sweeping generalities? Anyway Dave, I agree with you (and Hans) that we need a legitimate entry level license. bb Congrats on partial enlightenment. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote: PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article k.net, "KØHB" writes: "William" wrote I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, ....... Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! Y'know, you've got a point there, Hans! There are more hams than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same. All true! *And*, we still retain almost all of what we had in the past. If someone wants to use, say, 1950s equipment, they can do so in almost all cases. In fact, that's true all the way back to about the 1920s. The rest of the world is slowly getting 40 meters doubled.. Problems? Hardly! A couple of things like BPL, sure, but not the end of the world. 73 de Jim, N2EY I recall you claiming that we needed more not fewer license classes, and 13 and 20 wpm code exams. When did I claim such things were "needed"? I still think those things are good ideas. But the chances of FCC actually creating them are virtually nonexistent, so I've put my efforts into things that actually have a chance of becoming reality. And BPL is such a minor thing... Where did I say it was minor? What have *you* done to oppose BPL? I must have got it wrong again. Hi! Clearly. You must have, "William". There is serious talk of an entry level license. That'd be one more than we have now. Getting rid of the Novice license was a serious mistake. What was needed was a revision of Novice privileges. Perhaps I should repost my "Chinese menu" idea. Or the more recent three-class system that I posted here. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... William wrote: PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article k.net, "KØHB" writes: "William" wrote I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, ....... Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! Y'know, you've got a point there, Hans! There are more hams than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same. All true! *And*, we still retain almost all of what we had in the past. If someone wants to use, say, 1950s equipment, they can do so in almost all cases. In fact, that's true all the way back to about the 1920s. The rest of the world is slowly getting 40 meters doubled.. Problems? Hardly! A couple of things like BPL, sure, but not the end of the world. 73 de Jim, N2EY I recall you claiming that we needed more not fewer license classes, and 13 and 20 wpm code exams. And BPL is such a minor thing... I must have got it wrong again. Hi! You must have, "William". There is serious talk of an entry level license. That'd be one more than we have now. Hmmm? And 1 less than we had when he made his complaint. Hmmmm...a trend in the direction of Jim's idea. Odd. Instead of 1 more, we see one less. And you see a trend in the direction of Jim's idea. Perhaps if you called it a Contra-trend, I could buy into that idea. Getting rid of the Novice license was a serious mistake. What was needed was a revision of Novice privileges. And it appears that even you have a complaint wrt the amateur service. My goodness, just after Jim says everything is rosey! ...and it appears that the "William"-mobile can only go to the left or right at ninety degree angles. Hmmm? I see Jim taking those 90 degree turns without problem. One day the amateur service needs more license classes, the next day there are no complaints and everything is rosey. One day we need higher speed morse code exams, the next day a morse code exam is a barrier to morse code use. Hi, hi! I'm consistent in my position with respect to amateur radio policy, and you say I make 90 degree turns. More hi, hi's. That makes taking life's curves really tough. Maybe you thought Jim and I carefully aligned our positions before posting. We do have a really good system. Jim posts what he believes and I post what I believe. There goes the notion that Jim faxes you guys a white paper or a talking points paper each day. Jim tries to take an opposite position from me, just because it was me who said it. Is that what you really believe? What -am- I to believe? Typical bad attitude Extra. Bad attitude Extra=anyone who doesn't go along with you. Nope. I don't find you typical of General Class licensees. Would you care to put forth any additional sweeping generalities? Nor do I find you typical of Extra Class licensees. Anyway Dave, I agree with you (and Hans) that we need a legitimate entry level license. bb Congrats on partial enlightenment. Dave K8MN No enlightenment. It was preposterous in 1991 when the FCC made a 1,500 watt license "entry level." I'm consistent in my position with respect to amateur radio policy. |
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Dave Heil wrote in message ... William wrote: PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article k.net, "KØHB" writes: "William" wrote I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, ....... Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! Y'know, you've got a point there, Hans! There are more hams than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same. All true! *And*, we still retain almost all of what we had in the past. If someone wants to use, say, 1950s equipment, they can do so in almost all cases. In fact, that's true all the way back to about the 1920s. The rest of the world is slowly getting 40 meters doubled.. Problems? Hardly! A couple of things like BPL, sure, but not the end of the world. 73 de Jim, N2EY I recall you claiming that we needed more not fewer license classes, and 13 and 20 wpm code exams. When did I claim such things were "needed"? I still think those things are good ideas. But the chances of FCC actually creating them are virtually nonexistent, so I've put my efforts into things that actually have a chance of becoming reality. And BPL is such a minor thing... Where did I say it was minor? What have *you* done to oppose BPL? I must have got it wrong again. Hi! Clearly. You must have, "William". There is serious talk of an entry level license. That'd be one more than we have now. Getting rid of the Novice license was a serious mistake. What was needed was a revision of Novice privileges. Perhaps I should repost my "Chinese menu" idea. Or the more recent three-class system that I posted here. 73 de Jim, N2EY Perhaps you should. I read so little of your stuff of late due to the nasty nature of your comments. Your buffet style license was decent, but didn't go anywhere with the FCC during restructuring. I'll do a search for your new three-class structure. |
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