Subject: Awesome trainer!
From: "JAMES HAMPTON"
Date: 12/13/2004 11:14 AM Central Standard Time
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Have a merry Christmas, Len, and try to come up with a new argument next
year, hear?

Scumbag Lennie couldn't "come up with" ANYthing new, even if he had a
brand new roll of toilet paper. SOS sticks to Lennie, and that's all Lennie
knows.

It comes from a lack of experience. THAT he has LOT'S of.

73 and Hurry January 2nd!

Steve, K4YZ

In article , "JAMES HAMPTON"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article , "JAMES HAMPTON"
writes:

Heck, anyone who has used one of those old green machines knows how they
were. Folks should be very grateful for the modern pc. The electronics
are
far more rugged than the old teletypes. I've often stared at the 100
word
per minute mechanical beasties clanking away and wondered how they could
do
that without flying apart. Of course, they did break down now and then
...


"Green?" All the ones I've ever worked with were black (old Model
15 to 19) or different shades of Teletype Corporation gray (Model
28 or 33)... :-)

Teletype Corporation ought to get a standing ovation for some
excellent mechanical design in those old teleprinters. They were
robust performers that went on for days at a time needing only to
be fed paper and (once in a while) a new ribbon.

The old 60 WPM units were tried out at 75 WPM on a few Army
circuits in 1955. MTBF went to hell at that speed and those circuits
had very high maintenance turn-over. Restored to 60 WPM speeds,
they continued on as if nothing had happened. Used the old type
cage structure of the manual/electric typewriters.

The "stunt box" (literally a box of type) used on the newer 100
WPM models did awesome things, true, fun to watch while
waiting for a program's answer back. Never had one "lock up" in
some strange mode, though, that including the old all-caps 60
WPM machines with Caps/Figs keys.

By 1980 the matrix printer was IN for anyone needing text
throughput, honking out 300 WPM with just a polite buzz instead
of the clatter-bang of the mechanical teleprinters. My little Epson
MX-80 (purchased in 1980) is still operational but it can't be given
away in this age of inkjet printers that tosses out an entire page
of text in 5 seconds (draft mode, black and white). The only sound
from the "old" HP 722 inkjet printer is the paper-advance stepping
motor; inkjets themselves being inaudible.

But, the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) isn't really
interested in communications per se, is it? ARS is all about
HOW the communications is done, not the comms' content. :-)

Most Best Holiday Greetings,



Hello, Len

To some amateurs the how *is* important. Witness PSK, moonbounce, and other
stuff. Anyone can grab a microphone and talk.

:-) Right..."anyone can grab a microphone and talk..." but so many
forget to listen to what they are saying after they remember to push
the PTT button. :-)

The first recorded and witnessed moonbounce was done by the U.S.
Army in the 1940s. The first witnessed and recorded phase shift
keying was done a long time ago, has been done so much that it
needs deep research to find out who did it first, academia, business,
or military. Frequency shift keying is even older.

Somehow, a lot of folks get
caught up in the code vs no-code argument that is getting *really* old.

Agreed. :-) But Test Element 1 is still in the U.S. amateur regs
and many longe-tyme hamateurs are furious that anyone has the
temerity to remove that beloved code test.

Seems there used to be an am vs ssb argument back in the 60s as well.

Why? "Anyone can grab a microphone and talk..." :-)

However, that *how* it is done is important if we wish to further ourselves.

Yes, it's terribly important for all hamateurs to be the very best
kind of morseman they can be. Tradition, the glory, the honor,
being able to communicate all over the world with the same
"language" and demonstrate the "unique good will of amateurs"
to bring about world peace and stuff like that through simple
short transient "contacts" on CW.

Have a merry Christmas, Len, and try to come up with a new argument next
year, hear?

You too, Jim...all around. :-)

Right...just as soon as I go down to the technical seminar down at
the Legion Hall to get all the details on building that simple CW rig
made from recycled 1990s telebision sets that poor impovrished
third-world countries can use for communications to end their
starvation problems.

I don't think a "Tuna Tin Two" is a solution, even with the best
2N2222 transistors. Starving folks want the tuna, not the tin.

No doubt everything will be solved worldwide by using Morse Runner
to practice "radiosport" radiotelegraphy. I will stay tuned. :-)

Happy holidays,

In article , "JAMES HAMPTON"
writes:

To some amateurs the how *is* important.

I would say that nowadays that's true for *most* hams.

In most of the developed world, the average person has a wide range of
communications options. Some are relatively new (cell phones with cameras in
them), others have been around a long time (Plain Old Telephone Service).
Almost all are tending downward in cost and upward in ease of use.

It wasn't that long ago that the average person had very few affordable
communications options outside of the US mail and Ma Bell. Sure, some folks
were hooked up with precursors to the Internet, TTY machines and even mobile
telephones, but those things were pretty much out of the reach of ordinary
middle-class people. In those times, ham radio offered communications that
weren't practical or affordable any other way.

For example, from the 1970s onward it used to be common around here for entire
families to get ham licenses in order to keep in touch via the local VHF/UHF
ham repeaters. Nowadays cell phones have just about eliminated that reason.
Lots of other examples.

Witness PSK, moonbounce, and
other stuff.

Yep. Like CW!

Of course there *are* times when ham radio is still the only practical or
available method of radio communications.

Anyone can grab a microphone and talk. Somehow, a lot of folks get
caught up in the code vs no-code argument that is getting *really* old.
Seems there used to be an am vs ssb argument back in the 60s as well.

Goes back into the '50s.

However, that *how* it is done is important if we wish to further ourselves.

If all amateur radio does is to emulate what is available other ways, it will
simply die out.

What we need to keep alive are the things that make amateur radio unique.

Like Morse Code.

73 de Jim, N2EY

On 12 Dec 2004 21:24:01 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

snip

But, the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) isn't really
interested in communications per se, is it? ARS is all about
HOW the communications is done, not the comms' content. :-)


....As Marshall McLuhan said back in the 60s (while he was a Professor
at the University of Toronto) - "The Medium Is The Message"!



Most Best Holiday Greetings,



73, Leo

In article , Leo
writes:

On 12 Dec 2004 21:24:01 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

snip

But, the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) isn't really
interested in communications per se, is it? ARS is all about
HOW the communications is done, not the comms' content. :-)

...As Marshall McLuhan said back in the 60s (while he was a Professor
at the University of Toronto) - "The Medium Is The Message"!

To the mighty macho morsemen, "the medium is the massage."

:-)

In article , "JAMES HAMPTON"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article , "Casey"
writes:

how the tales of "I was a one-of-a-kind" super hero

As I read Hans' and Jim's and others' stories of their USN, USCG and
Merchant
Marine experiences, one thing that is clear to me is that they do *not*
claim
to be "one-of-a-kind" at all. Rather, they are simply relating their
experiences as part of a community. That's why the statue of a single
sailor in
Washington DC can express so much.


Hello, Jim

Heck, anyone who has used one of those old green machines knows how they
were.

Yep. We had some of them at the University amateur station.

Folks should be very grateful for the modern pc. The electronics are
far more rugged than the old teletypes. I've often stared at the 100 word
per minute mechanical beasties clanking away and wondered how they could do
that without flying apart. Of course, they did break down now and then ...


They made one heck of a clatter at 60 wpm! And even in our limited use, in the
comfy conditions of Room 214, they required some care.

Still, a PC won't give you that smell of hot oil nor the satisfying din at the
end of the hall. While I never learned the entire Baudot code, I was able to
recognize "RY" and "CQ" in FSK.

73 es keep the stories coming

Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article , "JAMES HAMPTON"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Casey"
writes:

how the tales of "I was a one-of-a-kind" super hero

As I read Hans' and Jim's and others' stories of their USN, USCG and
Merchant
Marine experiences, one thing that is clear to me is that they do *not*
claim
to be "one-of-a-kind" at all. Rather, they are simply relating their
experiences as part of a community. That's why the statue of a single
sailor in
Washington DC can express so much.


Hello, Jim

Heck, anyone who has used one of those old green machines knows how they
were.

Yep. We had some of them at the University amateur station.

Folks should be very grateful for the modern pc. The electronics are
far more rugged than the old teletypes. I've often stared at the 100
word
per minute mechanical beasties clanking away and wondered how they could
do
that without flying apart. Of course, they did break down now and then
....


They made one heck of a clatter at 60 wpm! And even in our limited use, in
the
comfy conditions of Room 214, they required some care.

Still, a PC won't give you that smell of hot oil nor the satisfying din at
the
end of the hall. While I never learned the entire Baudot code, I was able
to
recognize "RY" and "CQ" in FSK.

73 es keep the stories coming

Jim, N2EY


Hello, Jim

Clatter? You can't imagine. Locked in a room perhaps the size of a jail
cell with 10 to 15 teletypes going. Ship - shore, broadcast .... aboard a
ship - which means metal bulkheads, metal deck, metal overhead ... I've
sandblasted quite a bit and the teletypes would have given sandblasting
quite a run

My problem was that they found out I could touch type. Manual typewriters
at 65 plus words per minute. I hit bursts over 90 words per minute on a 100
word per minute teletype! My fate was sealed LOL


Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim

In article , "JAMES HAMPTON"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "JAMES HAMPTON"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Casey"
writes:

how the tales of "I was a one-of-a-kind" super hero

As I read Hans' and Jim's and others' stories of their USN, USCG and
Merchant
Marine experiences, one thing that is clear to me is that they do *not*
claim
to be "one-of-a-kind" at all. Rather, they are simply relating their
experiences as part of a community. That's why the statue of a single
sailor in
Washington DC can express so much.


Hello, Jim

Heck, anyone who has used one of those old green machines knows how they
were.

Yep. We had some of them at the University amateur station.

Folks should be very grateful for the modern pc. The electronics are
far more rugged than the old teletypes. I've often stared at the 100
word
per minute mechanical beasties clanking away and wondered how they could
do
that without flying apart. Of course, they did break down now and then
...


They made one heck of a clatter at 60 wpm! And even in our limited use, in
the
comfy conditions of Room 214, they required some care.

Still, a PC won't give you that smell of hot oil nor the satisfying din at
the
end of the hall. While I never learned the entire Baudot code, I was able
to
recognize "RY" and "CQ" in FSK.

73 es keep the stories coming

Jim, N2EY


Hello, Jim

Clatter? You can't imagine.

You'd be surprised!

Locked in a room perhaps the size of a jail
cell with 10 to 15 teletypes going. Ship - shore, broadcast .... aboard a
ship - which means metal bulkheads, metal deck, metal overhead ... I've
sandblasted quite a bit and the teletypes would have given sandblasting
quite a run

Yup. I can just imagine the smell from the hot oil, too.

My problem was that they found out I could touch type. Manual typewriters
at 65 plus words per minute. I hit bursts over 90 words per minute on a 100
word per minute teletype! My fate was sealed LOL

dayum!

Great stuff.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , "Casey" writes:

how the tales of "I was a one-of-a-kind" super hero

As I read Hans' and Jim's and others' stories of their USN, USCG and Merchant
Marine experiences, one thing that is clear to me is that they do *not* claim
to be "one-of-a-kind" at all. Rather, they are simply relating their
experiences as part of a community. That's why the statue of a single sailor
in Washington DC can express so much.

Absolutely correct. You can empathize after all your years of
experience at sea. Understood.

Tsk. 'Radio' begins and ends solely on the sea? What of LAND
where morse code was born, raised, and elevated to a magnificent
art form before radio was ever proved?

In article , "SPAM Patrol"
writes:

Oh oh, now you are really gonna **** off Hans.

NO, I won't "**** him off."

The difference being that he and I were IN the military serving
our country, the USA. WE can talk back and forth and be
proud of what WE did. You can't.

He wont be in
shape to spin sea yarns down at the legion hall for a week.
ROTFLMAO!

Ha. Ha. Ha. And YOUR "military service" must consist of
getting a complimentary Legion membership just to hang out
at the Legion Hall's bar and make fun of members who DID
serve? Must be, wanna-be.

Go get a REAL life. And an alfterlife real soon.



ex-RA16408336, 1952-1960