Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Lenof21 wrote:
In article ,

(the paragon of Truth and Virtue, he say) writes:


In article , Mike Coslo

writes:


Lenof21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Really? "Hams used to do the 911 communications?"

Misquote, Len. Jim wrote "reporting". In that he is correct.
Since so
many (most?) people have a cell phone, it stands to reason that
the
initial report is more likely to be made by a person using a
cell phone.

That's it, Mike. Of course there was a time, not so many years
ago, when
cell
phones weren't very common, but hams with mobile rigs were.


...must have been in a galaxy far, far away from this one. :-)

Lovely NON-applicable factoid, doesn't explain anything. Of
course there were radio amateurs with mobile radios "not so
many years ago." There still are.

But, there are NO facts presented that those mobile radios
were used in emergencies. If they were, there are NO facts
presented as to any percentage of "emergency operations"
relative to normal amateur radio hobby use.



Here's a "plain simple fact:" I replied to J.P.Miccolis'
message
and quoted his EXACT WORDS.

Looks like a misquote on Len's part.


Tsk. J.P. "never said that." ? :-)

Of course he never said that. He WROTE it. :-)



Do you mean when Jim posted:

Jim What *has* happened is that cell phones do much if not most
of the
Jim 911-type
Jim reporting that we hams used to do.

and you wrote:

Lenover21Really? "Hams used to do the 911 communications?"

Ain't no "misquote."

Sure is. But I don't think Len will admit it, Mike.


Tsk, tsk. The "911" communications system was never designed
around radio amateurs.

[this is beginning to sound like another wish-fulfillment
statement
done in here by another, "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur
radio!" :-) ]

No "wish fulfillment", Lennie.

Oh dear, I know at least Jim and myself love a good row! I like
accurate quotes tho'!

Tsk. You two "row" your boat all on dry land.

Fix your leaks and you can try it in the water.

Leonard, YOU have absolutely NO BUSINESS redressing ANYONE about
"fixing leaks".

Your rants in this forum are so frought with holes that if you
were the Titanic, you would have sunk before the lookouts in the crow's
nest had a chance to say "ICE Berrrrrrr........"

It's a Fantasyland. The "911" emergency call system was NOT
established with or for amateur use, yet the two paragons keep
trying to say it was and that hams DID "911" comms (even though
it did not exist then).

Good point. No one said that though.

It was all written, not said.

Yes, it was. And you continue to quote out-of-context.

Let's see...the 911 emergency call system was implemented
on the telephone infrastructure. It wasn't implemented through
amateur radio. Really.

The IN-CONTEXT parts that you continue to snip in order to make it
work for you is that PRIOR to the proliferation of the cellphone,
Amateur Radio was one of the principal methods of interface with 9-1-1
for the delivery of emergency calls.

It remains an important part of that network. Almost every agency
of Federal, state and local government has some provision for the
implementation of Amateur-supported alternatives to both the cellphone
and landline communications nets.

This is not "wish fulfillment" or fantasy. It is documented fact.

Yes, some amateur repeater operators have added the ability to
access the TELEPHONE SYSTEM 911 calling. At least I am
told this.

And BEING told this is the only way you'd know.

Embarrassing, wot, that some elementary and middle school kids
have more practical knowledge on some aspects of "emergency comms" than
an octogenarian "radio professional", eh...???

So, by the miraculous wish-fulfillment properties of the self-
righteous, you now want to infer/imply/never-say-outright (or
whatever you do or claim) that amateur radio is responsible for
the creation and continuance of the 911 emergency calling
system?

Nope...that's a "wish fulfillment" opportunity on YOUR part,
Lennie.

Twilight Zone. Lost in Space. Outer Limits.

Jeff Herman said that hams can do communications with zero
power
output.

"CW gets through when nothing else will."

Gosh, that sounds like "CW" doesn't even need electricity!

Breakthrough in physics!

The "breakthrough in physics" will come when they can create an
energy source that can get you off your fat gluteus and into a test
session like you siad you'd do FIVE YEAR AGO.

J.P. implied that ham HTs were the only practical means of
comms
among shuttle burn-up debris searching. [all the rest of those
thousands and thousands of government and agency HTs were
apparently inadequate in the Fantasyland]

Where on earth did he say that? Another of these "quotes"?

According to the rec.radio.amateur.policy newsgroup postings.

Tsk. Is AOL giving you trouble also?

He never said any such thing...except in your warped efforts to
try and twist what WAS said.

Hams used VHF HF, and an internet link during the debris search. I
don't know if they used UHF or not

You were THERE? Along the debris footprint? Did you find
anything?

Or didn't you just repeat the tale told to you? Which is it?

NASA doesn't say that hams were the ONLY ones looking for debris.

No, they weren't.

However the radio spectrum from 136Mhz to 156Mhz was the prefered
method of ground team communications, and much of that between 144Mhz
to 148Mhz.

Well, I should cut you some slack. With all that "serving your
country in OTHER ways," it must make you tired and grouchy.
Get some rest. You will feel better.

Professional mental health counselling would help YOU,
Lennie...and NOT that K-Tel, correspondence course stuff Mommy does.

Oh...I forgot...No kids..Sorry..That was ANOTHER of yet a few dozen
disciplines for which you have no practical experience.

This is getting to be like Laugh-In but without the humor...

It is there, you just have to look for it!

Yes, it is there. But the "humor" isn't funny.

We ahve yet to see any from you, Lennie...except for some bizzare,
self-titillating stuff you seem to enjoy for some resaon.

Problem is, "Laugh-In" is a defunct TV show.

You don't seem to have a grip on that though, Lennie.

For the longest time your AOL "profile" imagined you as the
scruffy character played by Arte Johnson who got clobbered by Ruth
Buzzy's "bag lady" character when he made inappropriate suggestions to
her.

Seems to me that you've made a career of making inappropriate
suggestions to people on a whole range of subjects and you seem to
ENJOY getting clobbered for your stupidity.

Lots of the myths of morse have been defunct longer...but they
still
live on like ghouls or zombies. You have ghoul friends?

You do. Roll over an give her a big wet one, Lennie. And tell her
it's almost noon...take off the blinders.

Continue to "serve your country in those OTHER ways," good
soldier.

How do YOU "continue to serve your country", Lennie? Yet another
epoch ended in 1956?

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
the
scruffy character played by Arte Johnson who got clobbered by Ruth
Buzzy's "bag lady" character when he made inappropriate suggestions
to her.

Classic show, Laugh-In. Actually caused some phrases to enter the
language ("you bet your bippy"). Also introduced comedy greats such as
Lily Tomlin ("one ringy dingy...") and Flip Wilson, who would later
have his own show.

The characters you describe were named Gladys Ormphby (Ruth Buzzi) and
Tyrone F. Horneigh (Arte Johnson).

Typical routine:

[Gladys is sitting on bench, Tyrone sits down next to her and she
scoots over nervously to get away from him]

Tyrone: "Would you call my face ruggedly handsome?"

[Gladys bashes him over the head with purse]

Tyrone: "Would you call my body sensuously attractive?"

[Gladys hits him with her purse again]

Tyrone: "Would you call my next of kin?" [Tyrone falls off bench]

--

Of course the show had its roots in vaudeville and burlesque, and drew
on a variety of sources, such as "Pigmeat" Markham ("sock it to me" and
"here come da judge"). "Gladys" was developed by Ruth Buzzi, when she
was in an off-Broadway show with a minor part as a cleaning lady, and
was actually a cleaning lady offstage to make ends meet.

Flip Wilson's show, which was sort of descended from Laugh-In, gave us
the computer term "WYSIWYG". It was derived from a catchphrase used by
Wilson's character "Geraldine Jones", who would often declare "What you
see is what you get" and "when you're hot, you're hot".
73 de Jim, N2EY