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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: Lenof21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: I'm TRYING to argue against the morse code test. You are trying to squelch such arguments by misdirection into defamation of any who are against the morse code test. Hmm, you possibly could: Start a Morse code thread I have. Try to refrain from the pejoratives Sorry. Someone insults me, I give 'em back lots more. So when have I insulted you? You aren't considering disagreement as insulting are you? So far, in this Din of Inequity, the few, the proud (of themselves), the murines (eyewash) wan't to pummel and pound on any NCTA...especially using personal pejoratives. Bill Sohl seems to have escaped that fate when he posts here. You never know what might happen. Sorry, sweetums, I've seen what has already happened. So have you and everyone else accessing this newsgrope. Chicken and egg syndrome? Given the history of posters here, I would suspect that if you were to adopt a different strategy, there would be some posts that would be provoking. However, if ignored, that stuff goes away. Given the "history of posters here," especially the PCTA extras, your good idea is merely impractical bull****. PCTA extras all pretend to be "superior" and let everyone know it. Then again, I suspect you enjoy things just the way they are. 8^) You are WRONG. Seriously? You don't enjoy tweaking people? The "tweaking" is easy for me to do. Most of the postings I do simply "write themselves." :-) You seem to forget that I've had a long career of working in electronics. Electrons (in electronics) do NOT get influenced by human desires. All humans who work with electrons have to play be electron's rules. I enjoy that kind of work. It appears cold, hard, logical but can be quite creative once you learn electron's rules. Once that is done, they CAN follow human orders. The odd part of human nature is that the PCTA extras think that all must follow Their rules, obey them, etc., and some get quite fanciful in imagining the "motivations" of the NCTA. So another description of what you are doing is that you are engaging in something that you hate to do, in the interests of eliminating the Morse code test, in a Usenet newsgroup? Incorrect. Your speculation is nonsense. Correct, And it was written as such. Problem is, now we are running out of motives. You forget that many more readers follow what goes on in here. They, too, can see/read the propaganda nonsense about the nobility and efficacy of morse code and the alleged "necessity" of the amateur radio morse code test. Those readers need a bit of boost on the reasons AGAINST it. Myself and others have presented opposing reasons for that code test. Are you making some sort of Quixotic sacrifice in a Usenet newsgroup in an attempt to eliminate Morse code testing? No. If you will bother to read the 18 petitions at the FCC you would see that it isn't some Cervantes fictional character exercise...but, some of the proponents of the code test are indeed human windmills whirling in dead air. The PCTA just can't take opposing views on the morse code test. They get so very bitchy and angry and demand to get all who argue against the retention that it becomes a repeated comedy of brainwashing phrases by them. No problem on my replying in kind to the PCTA...if I have the time to spend on their trite, tired, tintabulation of olde-tyme phrases. I'm busy with lots of other things, but I can find time once in a while to puncture their arrogant balloons of old, stale, hot air. All the arguments are old and we've heard them a lot. From both sides. Poor baby. You seem distressed. Or perhaps your lordship wishes better entertainment? Hmm, no distress here. Here is a suggestion for your lordship: Use your amateur radio license and operate your mighty transceiver on the air instead of accessing this newsgroup. Chat with other human beings (or what passes for same). Or, your lordship could take the lead and open up a real Chat Room all about morse code on amateur radio and how wonderful it is and that morsemanship should be done by all the "superior" beings. You could develop a real following and become a Name in Chat Room circles, get known, develop a "rep." Or even a website where you could post "awards" given by the certificate makers and praise yourself for being so damn good. If I didn't know better, I would think you are being sarcastic and sardonic. This is NOT a "Chat Room" for idle gossip and cracker-barrel philosophy by a few regulars who have grown overly full of themselves. Even though they think they own the place (and can therefore dictate who gets to sit in), they don't. True. They don't even when their feathers get very ruffled by opposing opinions. (poor things...) Correct, This is not a chat room. Morse code is an old, primitive communications mode. The first morse code was used in 1844...on a commercial wired system, not on radio (radio had yet to be proved to exist). Early radio used on- off keying codes because that was the ONLY practical way to communicate given that there were no vacuum tubes and certainly no transistors. Primitive stuff that was first demonstrated in 1896. What passes for truisms about morse code "superiority" as spouted by the ARRL was formed in the 1930s, seven decades ago. Of course the reasons to maintain morse code testing are OLD. The silly part of it is that so many olde-tymers insist that the old is "best" and that nothing should change. They can't devise any good reasons to keep that code test, nothing new during the seven decades they've tried. All those reasons are tired, trite, cliches' and the reasons against them are true, familiar, easy to repeat. Again, refutation of the pro-code-test-advocates' "reasons" almost "write themselves." The only thing "new" with the PCTA extras is their propensity for "replying" by personal insults against the NCTA. All NCTA are "inferior" to them and their mighty accomplishments with morse. In short, they are so full of themselves that they cannot accept any others' inputs. They are stuffed and over-stuffed. Some go to the bursting point. Two former PCTA extras in here may have done just that. Other PCTA extras are expected to follow. Perhaps you should go to Church more often...such as to the Church of St. Hiram, the patron saint of Newington. There you could mass with other morsemen and celebrate the mode in chorus with a heavenly choir. Wash your brain regularly lest all the old, tired, trite cliches' fall out. By all means, exercise your morsemanship regularly to be ready for the Second Coming of Aliens so you can defeat them via morse code and thereby Save the World. After all, you are "superior" through morse code. Oh dear. You really don't have a whole lot else to say do you? So anyhow, how do you feel about the VEC rates increasing? - Mike KB3EIA |
K4YZ wrote:
Lenof21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: I'm TRYING to argue against the morse code test. You are trying to squelch such arguments by misdirection into defamation of any who are against the morse code test. Hmm, you possibly could: Start a Morse code thread I have. Actually, in most cases, you take threas on other topics and try to insert a Morse Code redirect. Like every thread in the group. I wonder what the difference is between the rest of us having a conversation, where the topic drifts a bit, as they are wont to do, and just about every post that Len makes, which attempts to veer the topic to Morse testing? People don't want to discuss Morse Code testing anymore because most people (those who read something OTHER than their own work...) know that the issue is moot at this point. Nothing else stated in this forum will change Federal policy. Right. Try to refrain from the pejoratives Sorry. Someone insults me, I give 'em back lots more. Yet another monumental lie. Neither Jim Miccolis nor Mike Coslo do anything of the kind, yet you pour it over Jim like molasses, and you've started in on Mike. I noticed that! 8^) You did it to me, you'v done it to EVERYone who's ever dared to suggest that YOUR opinion doesn't match theirs. You do it on a whim, then cry foul when it gets fed back to YOU. So far, in this Din of Inequity, the few, the proud (of themselves), the murines (eyewash) wan't to pummel and pound on any NCTA...especially using personal pejoratives. Sorry Lennie...it's the level at which you function, and I'd hate to leave you out of the conversations. You never know what might happen. Sorry, sweetums...(SNIP) Point made. I have yet to see Mike refr to you by anything other than your expressed preferred names. Remember, I did call him Lennie once. But he didn't like that, so I went to calling him Len. My bad! Thanks for proving my point right here in THIS post (as if I would have had to wait long anyway.....) (UNSNIP)...I've seen what has already happened. So have you and everyone else accessing this newsgrope. And they just got a prime example of why everyone else in this newsgoup is justified in their opinion of you and why you are a disreputable liar. Thanks. Then again, I suspect you enjoy things just the way they are. 8^) You are WRONG. IF Mike had been wrong, you would have continued to address him with out the insulting diminutives and "endearments". The PCTA just can't take opposing views on the morse code test. They get so very bitchy and angry and demand to get all who argue against the retention that it becomes a repeated comedy of brainwashing phrases by them. Actually the comedy comes from watching a pathological liar continue to make excuses for his lies and misdeeds, only to get caught up in even MORE lies and misdeeds. No problem on my replying in kind to the PCTA...if I have the time to spend on their trite, tired, tintabulation of olde-tyme phrases. Then why the continued use of diminutives against people who do not do it to you? Why do you insist that you ONLY do it to people who do it to you, when there's almost a decades worth of evidence to the contrary with Jim Miccolis alone, and now you have started in on Mike Coslo. I'm busy with lots of other things...(SNIP) No you're not. There's not one iota of any evidence in any other forum of a single contructive effort with your name attached to it. You're an egotistical, mean old man with nothing left to do in his life except make other people as miserable as you are. (UNSNIP)...but I can find time once in a while to puncture their arrogant balloons of old, stale, hot air. You can TRY, but so far all you've done is prove what WE have been saying all along. Leonard H. Anderson is a liar. Leonard H. Anderson is untrustworthy. Leonard H. Anderson is deceitful. And it's Leonard H. Anderson who provides the proof of the accusations. Thanks. You've single handedly done more to undermine your "advocacy" than any other VALID arguments could ahve done. Who wants to be associated with an issue that is so voiciferously and embarassingly represented by the likes of you...??? Just do the world a favor and stay away from such issues as finding an AIDS vaccine, cures for cancer, or preventing birth defects. Putz. You have a point there, Steve. It is hard to convince a person that your argument is correct when you dish out abuse with your argument. one is always tempted to disregard all the good parts of the argument with the bad. While it is always a good idea to not confuse the messenger with the message, which I always try to avoid, such a "debating" style is one of the best ways to hinder the message. It just means that you have to wade through the insults and other brickbats to find the message. - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: Tsk. You don't need "paint." You IS. So you are saying that Dave is a Nazi? It looks that way to me. Len doesn't play well with others. Poop Dave the 1st is "superior" to all others, doesn't have to "play" with them. Ave, Imperator Posted on 20 Jan 05 - Coronation Day |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: Lenof21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: You never know what might happen. Sorry, sweetums, I've seen what has already happened. So have you and everyone else accessing this newsgrope. Chicken and egg syndrome? Given the history of posters here, I would suspect that if you were to adopt a different strategy, there would be some posts that would be provoking. However, if ignored, that stuff goes away. Given the "history of posters here," especially the PCTA extras, your good idea is merely impractical bull****. But that's what you post now. If changing your tactics didn't work, you'd be no worse off than you are now. PCTA extras all pretend to be "superior" and let everyone know it. All licensed radio amateurs; Techs, Generals and Extras; are your superiors in that they have been issued amateur radio licenses. That is something you don't have. Ah, but I forgot--this is your week not to desire such a license. Then again, I suspect you enjoy things just the way they are. 8^) You are WRONG. Seriously? You don't enjoy tweaking people? The "tweaking" is easy for me to do. Most of the postings I do simply "write themselves." :-) ....and they have that look. :-) :-) You seem to forget that I've had a long career of working in electronics. Electrons (in electronics) do NOT get influenced by human desires. Have you noticed that your posts here have about the same effect upon readers of r.r.a.p? Almost no one has been influenced by your human desires as pertain to amateur radio. The odd part of human nature is that the PCTA extras think that all must follow Their rules, obey them, etc., and some get quite fanciful in imagining the "motivations" of the NCTA. One of more odd bits of human nature has you attributing beliefs to all PCTA Extras as if we all had the exact same thoughts and experiences. So another description of what you are doing is that you are engaging in something that you hate to do, in the interests of eliminating the Morse code test, in a Usenet newsgroup? Incorrect. Your speculation is nonsense. You forget that many more readers follow what goes on in here. They, too, can see/read the propaganda nonsense about the nobility and efficacy of morse code and the alleged "necessity" of the amateur radio morse code test. Those readers need a bit of boost on the reasons AGAINST it. Myself and others have presented opposing reasons for that code test. Wow! Talk about speculation! How about it, lurking, never-posting readers of r.r.a.p? Let us know if you support the self-appointed advocate for morse code test removal of the group. Tell us if you believe his method is effective. Let us hear if you have been swayed by his posts. Are you making some sort of Quixotic sacrifice in a Usenet newsgroup in an attempt to eliminate Morse code testing? No. If you will bother to read the 18 petitions at the FCC you would see that it isn't some Cervantes fictional character exercise...but, some of the proponents of the code test are indeed human windmills whirling in dead air. That's the same kind of charm you turned on for a couple of your submissions to the Commission. Do you think your words swayed anyone there or might they have thought you a crackpot? All the arguments are old and we've heard them a lot. From both sides. Poor baby. You seem distressed. Or perhaps your lordship wishes better entertainment? Are you trying to sway him to accepting your view, Len? Do you think your comment above has been effective? Here is a suggestion for your lordship: Use your amateur radio license and operate your mighty transceiver on the air instead of accessing this newsgroup. Chat with other human beings (or what passes for same). Do you think your charm offensive is working, Leonard? Or, your lordship could take the lead and open up a real Chat Room all about morse code on amateur radio and how wonderful it is and that morsemanship should be done by all the "superior" beings. You could develop a real following and become a Name in Chat Room circles, get known, develop a "rep." Or even a website where you could post "awards" given by the certificate makers and praise yourself for being so damn good. You're outdoing yourself. What panache! What skill! This is NOT a "Chat Room" for idle gossip and cracker-barrel philosophy by a few regulars who have grown overly full of themselves. You're a regular, Len. Even though they think they own the place (and can therefore dictate who gets to sit in), they don't. True. They don't even when their feathers get very ruffled by opposing opinions. (poor things...) Do your feathers get ruffled by opposing opinions? They are stuffed and over-stuffed. Some go to the bursting point. Two former PCTA extras in here may have done just that. Other PCTA extras are expected to follow. Your words about the dead are a tribute to your personal magnetism. Perhaps you should go to Church more often...such as to the Church of St. Hiram, the patron saint of Newington. There you could mass with other morsemen and celebrate the mode in chorus with a heavenly choir. Wash your brain regularly lest all the old, tired, trite cliches' fall out. By all means, exercise your morsemanship regularly to be ready for the Second Coming of Aliens so you can defeat them via morse code and thereby Save the World. After all, you are "superior" through morse code. Yes, Len, your people skills rival those of Carl. Yessir, you really have Mike on the verge of changing his mind. I'm sure the throng of lurkers is cheering wildly. Dave K8MN |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: Tsk. You don't need "paint." You IS. So you are saying that Dave is a Nazi? It looks that way to me. Len doesn't play well with others. Poop Dave the 1st is "superior" to all others, doesn't have to "play" with them. So, in addition to being a Nazi, I'm a "Poop"? As I said earlier, Len doesn't play well with others. Ave, Imperator Posted on 20 Jan 05 - Coronation Day translation: Len's guy lost. Dave K8MN |
In article , Mike Coslo writes:
K4YZ wrote: Lenof21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: I'm TRYING to argue against the morse code test. You are trying to squelch such arguments by misdirection into defamation of any who are against the morse code test. Hmm, you possibly could: Start a Morse code thread I have. Actually, in most cases, you take threas on other topics and try to insert a Morse Code redirect. Like every thread in the group. I wonder what the difference is between the rest of us having a conversation, where the topic drifts a bit, as they are wont to do, and just about every post that Len makes, which attempts to veer the topic to Morse testing? You can always talk about DEFUNCT 30-year-past TV shows. That has NOTHING to do with ham radio. Won't ruffle your overly sensitive "feathers," will it? Won't be about AMATEUR RADIO at all, but then what you really want is a nice little cozy Chat Room where you be all gemutlich in talking about whatever you PCTA extras want...and then you can make nasty to anyone who objects to all the non-ham-radio talk. You "own" this newsgroup because you are in it, right? People don't want to discuss Morse Code testing anymore because most people (those who read something OTHER than their own work...) know that the issue is moot at this point. Nothing else stated in this forum will change Federal policy. Right. "Right" what? Tsk. Since you can't get others' opinions they way YOU like them, or that of the PCTA extras, you want to make more nasty? Try to refrain from the pejoratives Sorry. Someone insults me, I give 'em back lots more. Yet another monumental lie. Neither Jim Miccolis nor Mike Coslo do anything of the kind, yet you pour it over Jim like molasses, and you've started in on Mike. I noticed that! 8^) Awwww. Feeling hurt and agreeing with that wonderful Avenging Angle of Dearth who loves to use Yiddish pejoratives in "signing off" to others he no like? Tsk. Poor spoiled little babies. Can't make the world in your imagined images. I have yet to see Mike refr to you by anything other than your expressed preferred names. Remember, I did call him Lennie once. But he didn't like that, so I went to calling him Len. My bad! You should get "Yiddish for Dummies" and study it. That way you can call your newsgroup opponents by four-letter names that no one (you think) will understand...because you probably don't understant Yiddish either. Thanks for proving my point right here in THIS post (as if I would have had to wait long anyway.....) (UNSNIP)...I've seen what has already happened. So have you and everyone else accessing this newsgrope. And they just got a prime example of why everyone else in this newsgoup is justified in their opinion of you and why you are a disreputable liar. Thanks. Wow! "Disreputable liar" is NOT a pejorative! :-) And the Angle of Dearth knows what EVERYONE ELSE's opinions ARE! Tsk, tsk. You PCTA extras have out-Orwelled Orwell in redefining the language! Actually the comedy comes from watching a pathological liar continue to make excuses for his lies and misdeeds, only to get caught up in even MORE lies and misdeeds. Tsk. "Pathological liar" is an endearment? :-) No you're not. There's not one iota of any evidence in any other forum of a single contructive effort with your name attached to it. Gosh...I'm "pregnant with ideas" but the "contructions" haven't started yet. :-) You're an egotistical, mean old man with nothing left to do in his life except make other people as miserable as you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk. More "endearments." :-) Awfully good PR there, "winning friends" for morsemanship and ham radio as you guys "know it." Peoples must be in large queues waiting to sign up for amateur radio after seeing the warm, friendly "brotherhood" freelings exhibited in here. :-) (UNSNIP)...but I can find time once in a while to puncture their arrogant balloons of old, stale, hot air. You can TRY, but so far all you've done is prove what WE have been saying all along. Leonard H. Anderson is a liar. Another endearment! Leonard H. Anderson is untrustworthy. Yet ANOTHER! Leonard H. Anderson is deceitful. WOW! Three in a row!!! Yessir, heavenly fodder sure had it pinned when he talked about swinging opinions in here. :-) And it's Leonard H. Anderson who provides the proof of the accusations. Thanks. You've single handedly done more to undermine your "advocacy" than any other VALID arguments could ahve done. Who wants to be associated with an issue that is so voiciferously and embarassingly represented by the likes of you...??? Just do the world a favor and stay away from such issues as finding an AIDS vaccine, cures for cancer, or preventing birth defects. Putz. You have a point there, Steve. It is hard to convince a person that your argument is correct when you dish out abuse with your argument. one is always tempted to disregard all the good parts of the argument with the bad. Riiiiight...the Angle of Dearth is very busy working on AIDS vaccines, cures for cancer, and preventing birth defects. Doctor Avenger can't be bothered with discussing anything in normal ways...it is His way or the highway. While it is always a good idea to not confuse the messenger with the message, which I always try to avoid, such a "debating" style is one of the best ways to hinder the message. It just means that you have to wade through the insults and other brickbats to find the message. Was there a "message" there? :-) Oh, yes, there was: Do everything that the PCTA extras say to do. Swear allegiance to the ARRL and for everything it stands for. Insult everyone and every- thing that deviates from that divine and noble viewpoint. No deviates allowed! That's the ticket! Never ever admit to PCTA extra Double Standards. None exist in the PCTA extra hypocritical imagination. Follow the PCTA extra orders and directives explicitly...for they are ultra-pure and always right. Gotta love it! Far better than a defunct 30-years-ago TV show! |
Len Anderson wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: K4YZ wrote: Lenof21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: I'm TRYING to argue against the morse code test. You are trying to squelch such arguments by misdirection into defamation of any who are against the morse code test. Hmm, you possibly could: Start a Morse code thread I have. Actually, in most cases, you take threas on other topics and try to insert a Morse Code redirect. Like every thread in the group. I wonder what the difference is between the rest of us having a conversation, where the topic drifts a bit, as they are wont to do, and just about every post that Len makes, which attempts to veer the topic to Morse testing? You can always talk about DEFUNCT 30-year-past TV shows. Yes indeed. Kinda fun at times. That has NOTHING to do with ham radio. Won't ruffle your overly sensitive "feathers," will it? Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Question: Do you oppose time honored traditions such as "rag chewing"? Same thing. Won't be about AMATEUR RADIO at all, but then what you really want is a nice little cozy Chat Room where you be all gemutlich in talking about whatever you PCTA extras want...and then you can make nasty to anyone who objects to all the non-ham-radio talk. You "own" this newsgroup because you are in it, right? What an odd statement about a Usenet newsgroup. People don't want to discuss Morse Code testing anymore because most people (those who read something OTHER than their own work...) know that the issue is moot at this point. Nothing else stated in this forum will change Federal policy. Right. "Right" what? Right, SIR!......? 8^) Tsk. Since you can't get others' opinions they way YOU like them, or that of the PCTA extras, you want to make more nasty? I haven't started making "nasty" to begin with, as far as I can see. Tell me what I am doing that is making "nasty", and I'll see if I can modify it so it doesn't displease you. Try to refrain from the pejoratives Sorry. Someone insults me, I give 'em back lots more. Yet another monumental lie. Neither Jim Miccolis nor Mike Coslo do anything of the kind, yet you pour it over Jim like molasses, and you've started in on Mike. I noticed that! 8^) Awwww. Feeling hurt and agreeing with that wonderful Avenging Angle of Dearth who loves to use Yiddish pejoratives in "signing off" to others he no like? Hey, sometimes I agree with you! Tsk. Poor spoiled little babies. Can't make the world in your imagined images. I have yet to see Mike refr to you by anything other than your expressed preferred names. Remember, I did call him Lennie once. But he didn't like that, so I went to calling him Len. My bad! You should get "Yiddish for Dummies" and study it. That way you can call your newsgroup opponents by four-letter names that no one (you think) will understand...because you probably don't understant Yiddish either. I understand a little Yiddish. I don''t call people four letter names though. Thanks for proving my point right here in THIS post (as if I would have had to wait long anyway.....) (UNSNIP)...I've seen what has already happened. So have you and everyone else accessing this newsgrope. And they just got a prime example of why everyone else in this newsgoup is justified in their opinion of you and why you are a disreputable liar. Thanks. Wow! "Disreputable liar" is NOT a pejorative! :-) ummm.... And the Angle of Dearth knows what EVERYONE ELSE's opinions ARE! Tsk, tsk. You PCTA extras have out-Orwelled Orwell in redefining the language! ummm.... Actually the comedy comes from watching a pathological liar continue to make excuses for his lies and misdeeds, only to get caught up in even MORE lies and misdeeds. Tsk. "Pathological liar" is an endearment? :-) ummm.... No you're not. There's not one iota of any evidence in any other forum of a single contructive effort with your name attached to it. Gosh...I'm "pregnant with ideas" but the "contructions" haven't started yet. :-) ummm.... You're an egotistical, mean old man with nothing left to do in his life except make other people as miserable as you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk. More "endearments." :-) ummm.... Awfully good PR there, "winning friends" for morsemanship and ham radio as you guys "know it." Peoples must be in large queues waiting to sign up for amateur radio after seeing the warm, friendly "brotherhood" freelings exhibited in here. :-) (UNSNIP)...but I can find time once in a while to puncture their arrogant balloons of old, stale, hot air. You can TRY, but so far all you've done is prove what WE have been saying all along. Leonard H. Anderson is a liar. Another endearment! Leonard H. Anderson is untrustworthy. Yet ANOTHER! Leonard H. Anderson is deceitful. WOW! Three in a row!!! Yessir, heavenly fodder sure had it pinned when he talked about swinging opinions in here. :-) ummm...... Gee, are you sure you shouldn't have addressed your post to Steve And it's Leonard H. Anderson who provides the proof of the accusations. Thanks. You've single handedly done more to undermine your "advocacy" than any other VALID arguments could ahve done. Who wants to be associated with an issue that is so voiciferously and embarassingly represented by the likes of you...??? Just do the world a favor and stay away from such issues as finding an AIDS vaccine, cures for cancer, or preventing birth defects. Putz. You have a point there, Steve. It is hard to convince a person that your argument is correct when you dish out abuse with your argument. one is always tempted to disregard all the good parts of the argument with the bad. Riiiiight...the Angle of Dearth is very busy working on AIDS vaccines, cures for cancer, and preventing birth defects. Doctor Avenger can't be bothered with discussing anything in normal ways...it is His way or the highway. Hey, a comment on my part of the post! Kewl! You read his post completely different than I did. While it is always a good idea to not confuse the messenger with the message, which I always try to avoid, such a "debating" style is one of the best ways to hinder the message. It just means that you have to wade through the insults and other brickbats to find the message. Was there a "message" there? :-) Oh, yes, there was: Do everything that the PCTA extras say to do. Swear allegiance to the ARRL and for everything it stands for. Insult everyone and every- thing that deviates from that divine and noble viewpoint. No deviates allowed! That's the ticket! Never ever admit to PCTA extra Double Standards. None exist in the PCTA extra hypocritical imagination. Follow the PCTA extra orders and directives explicitly...for they are ultra-pure and always right. Gotta love it! Far better than a defunct 30-years-ago TV show! One thing for sure. I am starting to have a harder and harder time following you! But keep at it, and I'm sure I'll eventually catch up. 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Mike Coslo writes:
K4YZ wrote: Lenof21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: I'm TRYING to argue against the morse code test. You are trying to squelch such arguments by misdirection into defamation of any who are against the morse code test. That's simply not true. K0HB, K2ASP, and K2UNK are all against the Morse Code test. Yet neither KB3EIA nor I "defame" any of them. (There are many more examples) Unless simple disagreement constitutes defamation. Hmm, you possibly could: Start a Morse code thread I have. Actually, in most cases, you take threas on other topics and try to insert a Morse Code redirect. Like every thread in the group. I wonder what the difference is between the rest of us having a conversation, where the topic drifts a bit, as they are wont to do, and just about every post that Len makes, which attempts to veer the topic to Morse testing? No problem there. The interesting thing is that Len also wanders all over the map of topics as well. People don't want to discuss Morse Code testing anymore because most people (those who read something OTHER than their own work...) know that the issue is moot at this point. Nothing else stated in this forum will change Federal policy. Right. Some if not all of us are simply waiting for the next step. There are almost 20 proposals before FCC. We may see even more - I could write one myself! (So could anyone else, of course). FCC will probably put them all together into an NPRM, ask for comments, etc. That cycle will probably take at least a year, cosidering how long 98-143 took (it appeared in mid-1998, reply comments closed in early 1999, and the rules changes were announced late in 1999, becoming effective in April 2000). At that rate, if FCC announced a restructuring NPRM tomorrow, we might see a decision about June of 2006 and changes (if any) effective later that year. Just an educated guess on my part. Try to refrain from the pejoratives Sorry. Someone insults me, I give 'em back lots more. Len uses pejoratives regardless of whether anyone has used them on him. It would be interesting to go back in Google and find out who called who what, and when.... Yet another monumental lie. Neither Jim Miccolis nor Mike Coslo do anything of the kind, yet you pour it over Jim like molasses, and you've started in on Mike. I noticed that! 8^) You did it to me, you'v done it to EVERYone who's ever dared to suggest that YOUR opinion doesn't match theirs. You do it on a whim, then cry foul when it gets fed back to YOU. So far, in this Din of Inequity, the few, the proud (of themselves), the murines (eyewash) wan't to pummel and pound on any NCTA...especially using personal pejoratives. Sorry Lennie...it's the level at which you function, and I'd hate to leave you out of the conversations. You never know what might happen. Sorry, sweetums...(SNIP) Point made. I have yet to see Mike refr to you by anything other than your expressed preferred names. Remember, I did call him Lennie once. But he didn't like that, so I went to calling him Len. My bad! Thanks for proving my point right here in THIS post (as if I would have had to wait long anyway.....) (UNSNIP)...I've seen what has already happened. So have you and everyone else accessing this newsgrope. And they just got a prime example of why everyone else in this newsgoup is justified in their opinion of you and why you are a disreputable liar. Thanks. Mike, here's how it works: Len believes in group guilt. Works like this: Steve calls Len a putz. Repeatedly. Steve is a PCTA Extra who posts to rrap. Other PCTA Extras who post to rrap have not stopped Steve from calling Len a putz. Some have asked Steve to stop calling Len a putz, but Steve has refused, and still calls Len a putz. Repeatedly. Therefore, (in Len's mind), all PCTA Extras who post to rrap are guilty of calling Len a putz. And Len thinks himself justified in calling all PCTA Extras who post to rrap any name he wants. Including "Nazi". It does not matter to Len whether the other PCTA Extras who post to rrap have actually ever called Len a putz. Nor does it matter to Len if they agree or disagree with Steve calling Len a putz. To Len, all PCTA Extras who post to rrap are guilty of calling Len a putz. See how it works? Some (not me) might argue that if someone is going to pronounced guilty of calling Len a putz, then they might as well call Len a putz in reality. But I don't buy that argument at all. I've never called Len a putz, despite all the names he's called me. I don't recall you ever calling Len a putz either, Mike. Personally, I disagree with calling Len or anybody else on rrap a putz. Or a Nazi, jackbooted thug, elitist, or other pejorative names or diminutives. Then again, I suspect you enjoy things just the way they are. 8^) You are WRONG. I think you're dead-on right, Mike. IF Mike had been wrong, you would have continued to address him with out the insulting diminutives and "endearments". The PCTA just can't take opposing views on the morse code test. Sure we can. Ask K0HB, K2UNK, K2ASP, to name just a few. They get so very bitchy and angry and demand to get all who argue against the retention that it becomes a repeated comedy of brainwashing phrases by them. Now let's see...who acts the most "bitchy and angry" in here? Actually the comedy comes from watching a pathological liar continue to make excuses for his lies and misdeeds, only to get caught up in even MORE lies and misdeeds. No problem on my replying in kind to the PCTA...if I have the time to spend on their trite, tired, tintabulation of olde-tyme phrases. Then why the continued use of diminutives against people who do not do it to you? Why do you insist that you ONLY do it to people who do it to you, when there's almost a decades worth of evidence to the contrary with Jim Miccolis alone, and now you have started in on Mike Coslo. I'm busy with lots of other things...(SNIP) No you're not. There's not one iota of any evidence in any other forum of a single contructive effort with your name attached to it. You're an egotistical, mean old man with nothing left to do in his life except make other people as miserable as you are. (UNSNIP)...but I can find time once in a while to puncture their arrogant balloons of old, stale, hot air. You can TRY, but so far all you've done is prove what WE have been saying all along. Leonard H. Anderson is a liar. Leonard H. Anderson is untrustworthy. Leonard H. Anderson is deceitful. And it's Leonard H. Anderson who provides the proof of the accusations. Thanks. You've single handedly done more to undermine your "advocacy" than any other VALID arguments could ahve done. Who wants to be associated with an issue that is so voiciferously and embarassingly represented by the likes of you...??? Just do the world a favor and stay away from such issues as finding an AIDS vaccine, cures for cancer, or preventing birth defects. Putz. Uh-oh. Now we're all guilty (in Len's mind). Again. You have a point there, Steve. It is hard to convince a person that your argument is correct when you dish out abuse with your argument. one is always tempted to disregard all the good parts of the argument with the bad. And that's true on both sides! While it is always a good idea to not confuse the messenger with the message, which I always try to avoid, such a "debating" style is one of the best ways to hinder the message. It just means that you have to wade through the insults and other brickbats to find the message. The problem is that even if you ignore the insults and brickbats, you don't really get any meaningful responses from Len. For example, Len previously stated (in the context of US amateur radio license numbers) that: "All licensees are perfectly legal to continue operating in their grace period." Now, it was repeatedly pointed out to him that this is simply not true. Licensees who submitted a valid renewal application before the license expired can continue to operate, but those who did not cannot legally operate until they submit a renewal application *and* FCC approves it. But will Len admit his mistake? Nope. Instead, he heaps abuse and insults on the messengers for daring to point it out. One wonders how, or if, Len will respond to K2ASP's posts about amateur radio supplying emergency communications for hospitals in the Pacific Northwest... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Len Anderson wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Lenof21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: You never know what might happen. Sorry, sweetums, I've seen what has already happened. So have you and everyone else accessing this newsgrope. Chicken and egg syndrome? Given the history of posters here, I would suspect that if you were to adopt a different strategy, there would be some posts that would be provoking. However, if ignored, that stuff goes away. Given the "history of posters here," especially the PCTA extras, your good idea is merely impractical bull****. But that's what you post now. If changing your tactics didn't work, you'd be no worse off than you are now. PCTA extras all pretend to be "superior" and let everyone know it. All licensed radio amateurs; Techs, Generals and Extras; are your superiors in that they have been issued amateur radio licenses. There you have it. In Poop Dave the 1st's idea of the radio world, the amateurs are "superior" while the professionals are "inferior." There you have it. Len misses a couple of key phrases. I didn't write of the "radio world", Leonard. I wrote "licensed radio amateurs" and "amateur radio licenses". That is something you don't have. Ah, but I forgot--this is your week not to desire such a license. Tsk. There is NO requirement for newsgroup access to possess an amateur radio license. You're correct. Your posts here are proof of that. Tsk, tsk. There is NO requirement for access to the FCC requiring an amateur radio license in order to comment on amateur radio matters. You've commented to the FCC. You make such fanciful imaginings, then pretend that whoever you are trying to impugn really does what you say. Something like that, Leonard, old boy. I just imagine that you have no amateur radio license and *poof*, it comes to pass--you really have no amateur radio license. Seriously? You don't enjoy tweaking people? The "tweaking" is easy for me to do. Most of the postings I do simply "write themselves." :-) ...and they have that look. :-) :-) Poor baby. Never made much money writing for money? What does that have to do with your output? You'd think a professional writer would be embarrassed by some of the style and substance errors you make. Oh, that's RIGHT...you are an AMATEUR and don't desire to make money! How you drift! I enjoy making money, Leonard. I don't make money for operating an amateur radio station. You're a former professional. You can't make any money operating an amateur radio station. You see, we have something in common. Do you have an amateur radio station? My apologies at forgetting your lofty, noble attitudes...your attitude got hidden in all that "superiority." Apology accepted. You seem to forget that I've had a long career of working in electronics. Electrons (in electronics) do NOT get influenced by human desires. Have you noticed that your posts here have about the same effect upon readers of r.r.a.p? Almost no one has been influenced by your human desires as pertain to amateur radio. Haven't you noticed that YOU are NOT winning any points in here, heavenly fodder? No, I haven't. All you seem to be doing is being nasty to anyone who comments about anything in here. :-) "Leo's" been commenting about "anything" in here recently. I'm not "being nasty" to "Leo". Hans has commented about "anything" in here. I'm not being nasty to Hans. Besides, you've admitted to "making nasty". Aren't you being just a tad two-faced? :-) :-) The odd part of human nature is that the PCTA extras think that all must follow Their rules, obey them, etc., and some get quite fanciful in imagining the "motivations" of the NCTA. One of more odd bits of human nature has you attributing beliefs to all PCTA Extras as if we all had the exact same thoughts and experiences. Tsk, tsk, tsk...not "EXACT," heavenly fodder. :-) There you have it, Foghorn. Incorrect. Your speculation is nonsense. You forget that many more readers follow what goes on in here. They, too, can see/read the propaganda nonsense about the nobility and efficacy of morse code and the alleged "necessity" of the amateur radio morse code test. Those readers need a bit of boost on the reasons AGAINST it. Myself and others have presented opposing reasons for that code test. Wow! Talk about speculation! How about it, lurking, never-posting readers of r.r.a.p? Let us know if you support the self-appointed advocate for morse code test removal of the group. Tell us if you believe his method is effective. Let us hear if you have been swayed by his posts. You should really leave the polling to the ARRL. That would get you biased results that would make you proud. :-) Maybe you should explain why I should leave informal polling of an internet newsgroup to the ARRL. I'm still waiting to view the outpouring of support you receive from the lurker element here. Are you making some sort of Quixotic sacrifice in a Usenet newsgroup in an attempt to eliminate Morse code testing? No. If you will bother to read the 18 petitions at the FCC you would see that it isn't some Cervantes fictional character exercise...but, some of the proponents of the code test are indeed human windmills whirling in dead air. That's the same kind of charm you turned on for a couple of your submissions to the Commission. Do you think your words swayed anyone there or might they have thought you a crackpot? Oooooo! You are now a PR Judge as well? :-) Yeah, and a pretty darned good one. :-) :-) Funny you should mention "crackpot" but then I guess it takes one to think all his "enemies" are like that... Are you my enemy, Len? I believed you were just a run of the mill crackpot. All the arguments are old and we've heard them a lot. From both sides. Poor baby. You seem distressed. Or perhaps your lordship wishes better entertainment? Are you trying to sway him to accepting your view, Len? Do you think your comment above has been effective? Tsk. It's better than repeated calls of "Putz" on his person. :-) Sure is. I've seen no indication that Mike is a putz. :-) Here is a suggestion for your lordship: Use your amateur radio license and operate your mighty transceiver on the air instead of accessing this newsgroup. Chat with other human beings (or what passes for same). Do you think your charm offensive is working, Leonard? No, but then it isn't the blatently OFFENSIVE attitude you have... There it is, an admission from you that your tactics don't work. Or, your lordship could take the lead and open up a real Chat Room all about morse code on amateur radio and how wonderful it is and that morsemanship should be done by all the "superior" beings. You could develop a real following and become a Name in Chat Room circles, get known, develop a "rep." Or even a website where you could post "awards" given by the certificate makers and praise yourself for being so damn good. You're outdoing yourself. What panache! What skill! Ah, but the words are TRUE...and that makes you ANGRY. Those words you wrote--they're true? Really? I'm angry? Really? I'm awfully sorry, Len, they aren't true and I'm not angry. Well, word-wise, you are still an AMATEUR. Word-wise? Do you consider yourself a PROFESSIONAL, word-wise? :-) This is NOT a "Chat Room" for idle gossip and cracker-barrel philosophy by a few regulars who have grown overly full of themselves. You're a regular, Len. I've been a regular Len since I was first named. Oh, I don't believe that. There's something that sets you apart from any other Len I've ever encountered. That aside, you ARE a regular here and you seem full of yourself and there's seemingly no end to your homespun views of the motivations of others. If my regularity isn't up to par, I just drop in here for some equivalent Ex-Lax. Does the job every time. :-) Apparently, it does not. :-) Even though they think they own the place (and can therefore dictate who gets to sit in), they don't. True. They don't even when their feathers get very ruffled by opposing opinions. (poor things...) Do your feathers get ruffled by opposing opinions? Don't have feathers, heavenly fodder. Then what makes you believe that others who post here have feathers? If I did, it wouldn't bother me. If you had feathers, it wouldn't bother me either. THAT is what galls you, isn't it? That you don't have feathers? You should really see a health professional to have all that gall removed. Is this about the feathers thing? They are stuffed and over-stuffed. Some go to the bursting point. Two former PCTA extras in here may have done just that. Other PCTA extras are expected to follow. Your words about the dead are a tribute to your personal magnetism. Tsk. I didn't say anything about the "dead." Then why not tell us to whom you referred? Who are the two former PCTA Extras? If I would speak of the "dead" that would be a short form for "dead-brained," that attribute of all those AMATEURS who insist that the morse code test must be kept forever and ever. But a guy who isn't a participant in amateur radio and who decrees that morse code testing in amateur radio should be eliminated--he's not "dead-brained"? Perhaps you should go to Church more often...such as to the Church of St. Hiram, the patron saint of Newington. There you could mass with other morsemen and celebrate the mode in chorus with a heavenly choir. Wash your brain regularly lest all the old, tired, trite cliches' fall out. By all means, exercise your morsemanship regularly to be ready for the Second Coming of Aliens so you can defeat them via morse code and thereby Save the World. After all, you are "superior" through morse code. Yes, Len, your people skills rival those of Carl. Yessir, you really have Mike on the verge of changing his mind. I'm sure the throng of lurkers is cheering wildly. Tsk. Another bout of Nasties from the Dale Carneige drop-out. Wouldn't I have to drop in before I could drop out? "Carl" who? The pro in electronics who helped change S25.5 by going to Geneva, Switzerland, for WRC-03? That "Carl" is also an Amateur Extra. That's the guy. He liked using the "Nazi" and "jackbooted thug" terms too. Trouble is, he is an NCTA and that REALLY gets your robes flying, heavenly fodder. Robes? What robes, Foghorn? Tsk, tsk, fewer and fewer are swearing by the words of ARRL and rather swearing AT the code propaganda of the ARRL. You poor self-righteous olde-tymers are soon going to lose your bragging rights about morsemanship being essential to your self-important rank/status/privilege in U.S. amateur radio. Are you related to Barbara Boxer? NOBODY is kissing your ring, heavenly fodder. They aren't even bothering to tell you to kiss their posterior either. One can't swear effectively to so much QRM from the PCTA extra bull pen. Just noise. Self-righteous noise about their nobility and devotion to some imaginary "service." Tsk. You really do rant like one of the homeless. Dave K8MN |
Len Anderson wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: K4YZ wrote: Lenof21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: You can always talk about DEFUNCT 30-year-past TV shows. That has NOTHING to do with ham radio. Neither do you. Won't ruffle your overly sensitive "feathers," will it? What's with the "feathers" thing, Leonard? Too many years in your Foghorn Leghorn persona? Won't be about AMATEUR RADIO at all, but then what you really want is a nice little cozy Chat Room where you be all gemutlich in talking about whatever you PCTA extras want...and then you can make nasty to anyone who objects to all the non-ham-radio talk. You "own" this newsgroup because you are in it, right? So far, the only person admitting to "making nasty" is you. Tsk. Since you can't get others' opinions they way YOU like them, or that of the PCTA extras, you want to make more nasty? This is the output of a PROFESSIONAL wordsmith? Tsk. Poor spoiled little babies. Can't make the world in your imagined images. You seem to be having a tough sell in making amateur radio in your imagined image, Leonard. I have yet to see Mike refr to you by anything other than your expressed preferred names. Remember, I did call him Lennie once. But he didn't like that, so I went to calling him Len. My bad! You should get "Yiddish for Dummies" and study it. That way you can call your newsgroup opponents by four-letter names that no one (you think) will understand...because you probably don't understant Yiddish either. I don't get it, Len. Because Mike hasn't referred to you as other than "Len" or "Lennie", you suggest that he get "Yiddish for Dummies" and study it? You want him to call you Yiddish names? Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote: Len Anderson wrote: Remember, I did call him Lennie once. But he didn't like that, so I went to calling him Len. My bad! You should get "Yiddish for Dummies" and study it. That way you can call your newsgroup opponents by four-letter names that no one (you think) will understand...because you probably don't understant Yiddish either. I don't get it, Len. Because Mike hasn't referred to you as other than "Len" or "Lennie", you suggest that he get "Yiddish for Dummies" and study it? You want him to call you Yiddish names? I believe Mike even apologized for it, having seen my use of it. Unfortunately for Mike, Lennie never sees anyone doing "the right thing". That way it always give him the "right" to claim victim status. And Lennie..For a guy who's always on other people's cases for typos, I think you'd try harder to be more "undertanting". As for what "putz" stands for, Lennie, I think it fits you like a glove...Or would "like a condom" be a better analogy...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:39:23 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote: Wow! Talk about speculation! How about it, lurking, never-posting readers of r.r.a.p? Let us know if you support the self-appointed advocate for morse code test removal of the group. Tell us if you believe his method is effective. Let us hear if you have been swayed by his posts. To take the three questions in order... 1. Yes, I support the contention that the code test should be removed. 2. No, I do not believe that his method is effective. However, I also basically believe that no other method would be any more effective than his, which is one of the reasons why I'm mainly a lurker here and rarely post. 3. No, I have not been swayed by his posts. In fact, I already believed it was time to do away with code testing back in the mid-1970's, which was twenty years before I ever discovered this newsgroup and its various inhabitants. John Kasupski, KC2HMZ Tonawanda, New York |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: All licensed radio amateurs; Techs, Generals and Extras; are your superiors in that they have been issued amateur radio licenses. I present my posterior to your superior... :-) Posted 22 Jan 05 |
In article , John Kasupski
writes: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:39:23 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: Wow! Talk about speculation! How about it, lurking, never-posting readers of r.r.a.p? Let us know if you support the self-appointed advocate for morse code test removal of the group. Tell us if you believe his method is effective. Let us hear if you have been swayed by his posts. Hello John. :-) The heavenly fodder wishes to both troll and make nasty to another in his "asking of questions." To take the three questions in order... 1. Yes, I support the contention that the code test should be removed. I say Good on You! 2. No, I do not believe that his method is effective. However, I also basically believe that no other method would be any more effective than his, which is one of the reasons why I'm mainly a lurker here and rarely post. "Effective," e-schmective... Da heavenly fodder hasn't come close to being effective in doing anything but reinforcing his image of the prussian offizier busy mouthing the party line of the Church of St. Hiram. 3. No, I have not been swayed by his posts. In fact, I already believed it was time to do away with code testing back in the mid-1970's, which was twenty years before I ever discovered this newsgroup and its various inhabitants. The same for me but a bit earlier....like two decades before. Back when I volunteered for U.S. Army duty, I really believed that "radio expertise" required morsemanship skills. Lucking out in being assigned to a large Army HF communications station - and finding out they did NOT use a bit of morse code anywhere on HF - I learned better. [that was in the 1950s] Perhaps an oddity, the OIC (Officer in Charge) of ADA trans- mitters, Capt. William Boss (apt surname) was a ham and the maintenance NCOIC had both radiotelephone and radiotelegraph commercial operator licenses in addition to an amateur radio license. Oh, yes, such "isn't about ham radio, is it" as some say, especially those who have never served their country in the military or, if they did, never did any REAL communications duty at a large HF station. [the Angle of Dearth is one of those] War stories of military days seem to fall into two categories in he Fanciful, non-detailed braggadoccio or sea-going "radio room adventures." Nothing wrong with the latter as far as I'm concerned, but they seldom have 30+ high-power HF transmitters working at the same time on a ship, not even on a carrier. A half-dozen teleprinters in a large radio room with steel walls, deck, and overhead do indeed make a racket as Jim Hampton wrote. Wait until you get 200+ teleprinters working in a medium- sized torn-tape relay room. Now, THAT is NOISE...and that is how it was on the 2nd floor of the Chuo Kogyo Control for Army station ADA...and ADA was only the 3rd largest Army station at the time. :-) That was a half century ago in my experience. Since then, I've never encountered any civilian, commercial, or government/military station that used or required morse code mode communications... other than some amateurs and a few ships. A decade ago, the major communications modes for ships was voice, by VHF or SSB, or by data-teleprinter. The pro-code-test-advocates (PCTA) seem to think that morseman- ship is soooooo necessary that the FCC *must* test for it in order to get a ham license for use below 30 MHz. Well, it may BE a necessity...all those morsemen need to have playmates on their little reserved slices of ham bands...their sandboxes aren't full yet and more and more have signed off permanently. :-) Posted on 22 Jan 05 |
Len Anderson wrote: In article , John Kasupski writes: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:39:23 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: Wow! Talk about speculation! How about it, lurking, never-posting readers of r.r.a.p? Let us know if you support the self-appointed advocate for morse code test removal of the group. Tell us if you believe his method is effective. Let us hear if you have been swayed by his posts. Hello John. The heavenly fodder wishes to both troll and make nasty to another in his "asking of questions." Oh, not "nasty" at all. You perceive yourself as Don Quixote. We're just interested in seeing if your rants actually have any support or if you're just the slovenly, bile spitting idiot we all think you are. So far, it seems "not". To take the three questions in order... 1. Yes, I support the contention that the code test should be removed. I say Good on You! Boy...isn't THAT a surprise...?!?! 2. No, I do not believe that his method is effective. However, I also basically believe that no other method would be any more effective than his, which is one of the reasons why I'm mainly a lurker here and rarely post. "Effective," e-schmective... Da heavenly fodder hasn't come close to being effective in doing anything but reinforcing his image of the prussian offizier busy mouthing the party line of the Church of St. Hiram. Lennie's ineffectiveness as a cheerleader is pretty well summed up in the character of that paragraph. 3. No, I have not been swayed by his posts. In fact, I already believed it was time to do away with code testing back in the mid-1970's, which was twenty years before I ever discovered this newsgroup and its various inhabitants. The same for me but a bit earlier....like two decades before. Uh huh...Was that before you allegedly learned code to 10 WPM or after? (I say it's yet another "LennieLie". I don't think you could tap out SOS if it was etched in scars on your arms. Back when I volunteered for U.S. Army duty...(SNIP) More of his "I Was A Rear Area Radio Clerk War Hero" rants. The pro-code-test-advocates (PCTA) seem to think that morseman- ship is soooooo necessary that the FCC *must* test for it in order to get a ham license for use below 30 MHz. Well, it may BE a necessity...all those morsemen need to have playmates on their little reserved slices of ham bands...their sandboxes aren't full yet and more and more have signed off permanently. And we hope and pray YOUR QRT date is just around the same corner! Steve, K4YZ |
Len Anderson wrote:
In article , John Kasupski writes: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:39:23 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: Wow! Talk about speculation! How about it, lurking, never-posting readers of r.r.a.p? Let us know if you support the self-appointed advocate for morse code test removal of the group. Tell us if you believe his method is effective. Let us hear if you have been swayed by his posts. Hello John. :-) The heavenly fodder wishes to both troll and make nasty to another in his "asking of questions." When you ask questions, is it trolling or "making nasty"? You've already admitted to deliberately "making nasty", haven't you? I'm polling, not trolling. To take the three questions in order... 1. Yes, I support the contention that the code test should be removed. I say Good on You! 2. No, I do not believe that his method is effective. However, I also basically believe that no other method would be any more effective than his, which is one of the reasons why I'm mainly a lurker here and rarely post. "Effective," e-schmective... Da heavenly fodder hasn't come close to being effective in doing anything but reinforcing his image of the prussian offizier busy mouthing the party line of the Church of St. Hiram. He said that he didn't believe your method was effective, Len. 3. No, I have not been swayed by his posts. In fact, I already believed it was time to do away with code testing back in the mid-1970's, which was twenty years before I ever discovered this newsgroup and its various inhabitants. The same for me but a bit earlier....like two decades before. Back when I volunteered for U.S. Army duty, I really believed that "radio expertise" required morsemanship skills. Lucking out in being assigned to a large Army HF communications station - and finding out they did NOT use a bit of morse code anywhere on HF - I learned better. [that was in the 1950s] Perhaps an oddity, the OIC (Officer in Charge) of ADA trans- mitters, Capt. William Boss (apt surname) was a ham and the maintenance NCOIC had both radiotelephone and radiotelegraph commercial operator licenses in addition to an amateur radio license. Oh, yes, such "isn't about ham radio, is it" as some say, especially those who have never served their country in the military or, if they did, never did any REAL communications duty at a large HF station. [the Angle of Dearth is one of those] War stories of military days seem to fall into two categories in he Fanciful, non-detailed braggadoccio or sea-going "radio room adventures." Nothing wrong with the latter as far as I'm concerned, but they seldom have 30+ high-power HF transmitters working at the same time on a ship, not even on a carrier. A half-dozen teleprinters in a large radio room with steel walls, deck, and overhead do indeed make a racket as Jim Hampton wrote. Wait until you get 200+ teleprinters working in a medium- sized torn-tape relay room. Now, THAT is NOISE...and that is how it was on the 2nd floor of the Chuo Kogyo Control for Army station ADA...and ADA was only the 3rd largest Army station at the time. :-) That was a half century ago in my experience. Since then, I've never encountered any civilian, commercial, or government/military station that used or required morse code mode communications... other than some amateurs and a few ships. A decade ago, the major communications modes for ships was voice, by VHF or SSB, or by data-teleprinter. The pro-code-test-advocates (PCTA) seem to think that morseman- ship is soooooo necessary that the FCC *must* test for it in order to get a ham license for use below 30 MHz. Well, it may BE a necessity...all those morsemen need to have playmates on their little reserved slices of ham bands...their sandboxes aren't full yet and more and more have signed off permanently. :-) He said he hadn't been swayed by your posts, Len. Did you treat him to the several paragraphs of blather for a reason? John has posted here quite a number of times so he hardly counts as a lurker. He has previously made his views on morse testing known. If we discount him, we're left with an army of.....hmmmm...precisely.....uh... no lurkers who have spoken up to say that they support your methods or that they've been swayed by your posts. If we do decide to count John, he states that he does not support your methods and that he has not been swayed by your posts. The lack of response from lurkers seems to indicate that there are not an many people reading and not commenting as you believe. Dave K8MN |
Len Anderson wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: All licensed radio amateurs; Techs, Generals and Extras; are your superiors in that they have been issued amateur radio licenses. I present my posterior to your superior... :-) As far as I can tell, Len, you've been presenting your posterior here for years. :-) :-) :-) Dave K8MN |
In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes: In article , (Lenof21) writes: Ever notice how Len avoids direct questions? Ever notice how Miccolis does? I do every day. Yes, Brian and Len do avoid direct questions - every day. No one is obliged to answer loaded questions. However, J.P. has avoided a direct answer to HOW he "serves his country" in the near-same way someone has in the military. So has the coslonaut. All are supposed to "figure that out." Direct question avoided, sidestepped, disguised by mis- direction onto other things. Careful, Brian...remember that J.P. "serves his country" (by being a super-special amateur morseman). Well, if you think so. I don't recall ever claiming that. So...how DO you "serve your country in other ways?" :-) We pose valid arguments but you avoid them. Tsk. FALSE. ERRONEOUS. Your arguments in favor of retaining the morse code test have been proven false. You refuse to acknowledge that replies have truth in them. You misdirect by the disguised ad hominem of saying the PCTAs "are full of errors." :-) Do we call you names? Tell you to shut up? Call you "anal-retentive" or "Republican"? Yes, you do. In another post you've named me as a "liberal." Used that appelation as a pejorative as if only the political conservatives were the good guys. Adding, in that unique (but transparent) disguise of an ad hominem attack cum troll bait. Or is that *your* game? No "game." Seeing that reasonable discourse evaporated long ago amidst the virtual snowstorm of all-subjects-are-suitable-for- posting blog content in here, all that seems to continue is the usual PCTA "superiority" pejoratives on the person of NCTAs. In other words, you are receiving "return fire." Seeing as you have "served your country in other ways," you should recognize such military terms...shouldn't you? :-) Poor baby. Can't take it, can you? Suggestion: Fire up that state-of-the-art Type 7 and "work" some contacts. Get on the air. Have fun with ham radio. Try to avoid "resonable discourse" of the one-way kind by disguised ad hominems in here...it is tough on conservative morsemen trying to be oh-so-superior to NCTAs in here. PCTA feelings get hurt easily. |
Len Anderson wrote: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Lenof21) writes: Ever notice how Len avoids direct questions? Ever notice how Miccolis does? I do every day. Yes, Brian and Len do avoid direct questions - every day. No one is obliged to answer loaded questions. BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Getting Lennie to answer "loaded questions" like "when are you going to get that "Extra lite out of the box" is a LOADED question...?!?!?! It was YOUR assertion, Lennie! And how about other questions like "What evidence do you have of "dishonesty" of the ARRL BoD? Which radio service is created by the FCC for "purely recreational pursuits"? Nor do we have a "retraction" or other acknowledgement of your errors (yes..ERROR(S)) of Part 97... BBWBWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! However, J.P. has avoided a direct answer to HOW he "serves his country" in the near-same way someone has in the military. So has the coslonaut. All are supposed to "figure that out." Direct question avoided, sidestepped, disguised by mis- direction onto other things. He's answered those several times over. So far, there is absolutely ZERO "direct" answer from YOU Careful, Brian...remember that J.P. "serves his country" (by being a super-special amateur morseman). Well, if you think so. I don't recall ever claiming that. So...how DO you "serve your country in other ways?" How do YOU serve, Lennie...?!?! You make a point of asking others, but where's YOUR evidence of having done ANYthing since 1956...?!?! We pose valid arguments but you avoid them. Tsk. FALSE. ERRONEOUS. Your arguments in favor of retaining the morse code test have been proven false. No, they have not. You refuse to acknowledge that replies have truth in them. You misdirect by the disguised ad hominem of saying the PCTAs "are full of errors." To the contrary. Jim has repeatedly acknowledged what he thought were "valid points" in your arguments. So far all YOU have done is call him names, attempt to disparge his character and experience, and avoid answering the same questions when put to you! Do we call you names? Tell you to shut up? Call you "anal-retentive" or "Republican"? Yes, you do. In another post you've named me as a "liberal." Used that appelation as a pejorative as if only the political conservatives were the good guys. Adding, in that unique (but transparent) disguise of an ad hominem attack cum troll bait. No bait. No troll. Not when it's true. Or is that *your* game? No "game." Seeing that reasonable discourse evaporated long ago amidst the virtual snowstorm of all-subjects-are-suitable-for- posting blog content in here, all that seems to continue is the usual PCTA "superiority" pejoratives on the person of NCTAs. The "reasonable discourse" disappeared in a vail of smoke from profanities and name calling delivered from the keyboard of Leonard H. Anderson. Google refers. In other words, you are receiving "return fire." Seeing as you have "served your country in other ways," you should recognize such military terms...shouldn't you? Ahhhhhhh! Lennie hoping no one remembers his "under fire" and "under threat of the Russian Bear" posts. The only "fire" Lennie was under was some Tiki lights of some Japanese sushi bar just outside his rear area radio staion base. Poor baby. Can't take it, can you? Suggestion: Fire up that state-of-the-art Type 7 and "work" some contacts. Get on the air. Have fun with ham radio. Try to avoid "resonable discourse" of the one-way kind by disguised ad hominems in here...it is tough on conservative morsemen trying to be oh-so-superior to NCTAs in here. PCTA feelings get hurt easily. Here's something for YOUR feelings, Lennie.... LEONARD H. ANDERSON IS A KNOWN CHRONIC LIAR AND PROPRIETARY THIEF. Putz. Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
Len Anderson wrote: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Lenof21) writes: Ever notice how Len avoids direct questions? Ever notice how Miccolis does? I do every day. Yes, Brian and Len do avoid direct questions - every day. No one is obliged to answer loaded questions. You and Brian avoid unloaded questions as well. You avoid any question that might prove you to be mistaken about something. You've done it time and again. Therefore, no one should feel any obligation to answer *your* questions. However, J.P. Who is "J.P.", Len? No one here uses those initials as a screen name or signature. has avoided a direct answer to HOW he "serves his country" in the near-same way someone has in the military. You can't be talking about me, then, because I've never claimed to ""serves [our] country" in the near-same way someone has in the military." What I *have* asked is whether uniformed military service is the only way someone can serve our country. So has the coslonaut. Who is that, Len? Is there something wrong with you - some sort of mental illness, perhaps - that prevents you from calling people by their first names and/or callsigns? Or are you just behaving like a jackass? Or is there some other reason? Tell us why you make up insulting names for people who only address you as "Len" or "Mr. Anderson". All are supposed to "figure that out." Direct question avoided, sidestepped, disguised by mis- direction onto other things. We have all seen how you make fun of and denigrate others' *military* service if they disagree with you. One need only look at your classic "sphincter post" to see the lack of regard you have for a military radio operator's service to our country. So there's no reason for others to open themselves up to your insults. Careful, Brian...remember that J.P. "serves his country" (by being a super-special amateur morseman). Well, if you think so. I don't recall ever claiming that. So...how DO you "serve your country in other ways?" :-) We have all seen how you make fun of and denigrate others' *military* service if they disagree with you. One need only look at your classic "sphincter post" to see the lack of regard you have for a military radio operator's service to our country. So there's no reason for others to open themselves up to your insults. We pose valid arguments but you avoid them. Tsk. FALSE. ERRONEOUS. Nope. Absolutely true. Your arguments in favor of retaining the morse code test have been proven false. By whom? Where? Certainly not by you, and certainly not here. You refuse to acknowledge that replies have truth in them. Of course they have some truth in them. They also have mistakes, errors and omissions. You misdirect by the disguised ad hominem of saying the PCTAs "are full of errors." :-) I don't recall ever saying that PCTAs are full of errors. Do we call you names? Tell you to shut up? Call you "anal-retentive" or "Republican"? Yes, you do. Where? What names have you been called? In another post you've named me as a "liberal." Is it true or not? Your postings here indicate you are. Perhaps I'm mistaken, and you're just a liberal on some issues. Let's start with the basics. Who did you vote for in the US presidential elections of 2000 and 2004? Used that appelation as a pejorative as if only the political conservatives were the good guys. That's your impression. Not my meaning at all. Adding, in that unique (but transparent) disguise of an ad hominem attack cum troll bait. Are you insulted by being called a liberal? Or is that *your* game? No "game." Seems to be. Seeing that reasonable discourse evaporated long ago amidst the virtual snowstorm of all-subjects-are-suitable-for- posting blog content in here, all that seems to continue is the usual PCTA "superiority" pejoratives on the person of NCTAs. There's plenty of reasonable discourse here on a variety of subjects. But you and Brian exclude yourselves from it by your behavior. In other words, you are receiving "return fire." You return fire without being fired upon. Seeing as you have "served your country in other ways," you should recognize such military terms...shouldn't you? :-) Poor baby. Can't take it, can you? It seems you are the one who cannot stand reasonable discourse and simple, direct questions. Suggestion: Fire up that state-of-the-art Type 7 and "work" some contacts. Get on the air. Have fun with ham radio. I do all those things. Except I've never claimed that the Southgate Type 7 is "state of the art". Whatever that marketing phrase is supposed to mean. Try to avoid "resonable discourse" of the one-way kind by disguised ad hominems in here...it is tough on conservative morsemen trying to be oh-so-superior to NCTAs in here. What *are* you babbling about, Len? Since you consider "morsemen" to be "conservative", that makes you an ultraliberal, does it not? |
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bb wrote: wrote: You and Brian avoid unloaded questions as well. Brian Who? Exactly. Now see, if we'd kept it at "Brain", you would have been telling us who "Brian" is. You have some real situational awareness issues, Brian. Get them fixed. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: You and Brian avoid unloaded questions as well. Brian Who? Exactly. Now see, if we'd kept it at "Brain", you would have been telling us who "Brian" is. Jim has never engaged me as "Brain." That is a purely Avenging Angle affectation. You have some real situational awareness issues, Brian. Get them fixed. Indeed. I once hallucinated that I was involved in seven hostile actions. Bad clams or something. |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: You and Brian avoid unloaded questions as well. Brian Who? Exactly. Now see, if we'd kept it at "Brain", you would have been telling us who "Brian" is. Jim has never engaged me as "Brain." That is a purely Avenging Angle affectation. Who is "Avenging Angle"...??? And if you're refering to me, Brain, I was not the first to call you "Brain". You have some real situational awareness issues, Brian. Get them fixed. Indeed. I once hallucinated that I was involved in seven hostile actions. Bad clams or something. No doubt you have many excuses, Brian. Get your problems fixed...soon. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: You and Brian avoid unloaded questions as well. Brian Who? Exactly. Now see, if we'd kept it at "Brain", you would have been telling us who "Brian" is. Jim has never engaged me as "Brain." That is a purely Avenging Angle affectation. Who is "Avenging Angle"...??? And if you're refering to me, Brain, I was not the first to call you "Brain". True. It was an unusually bright third grader. You follow in fine tradition. You have some real situational awareness issues, Brian. Get them fixed. Indeed. I once hallucinated that I was involved in seven hostile actions. Bad clams or something. No doubt you have many excuses, Brian. Get your problems fixed...soon. Steve, K4YZ Nurse, heal thyself. |
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No doubt you have many excuses, Brian. Get your problems fixed...soon. Steve, K4YZ Nurse, heal thyself. I'm not ill nor injured. You, however, have a credibilty issue that needs to be repaired. Telling the truth and distancing yourself from other persons known to lie and deceive is a good start. (Not that he's been able to figure out how to "join" us since AOL dropped it's newsgroup reader) Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: No doubt you have many excuses, Brian. Get your problems fixed...soon. Steve, K4YZ Nurse, heal thyself. I'm not ill nor injured. There's an ongoing debate about that. Some think both. You, however, have a credibilty issue that needs to be repaired. My credit is just fine. Actually, it's exceptional. Telling the truth and distancing yourself from other persons known to lie and deceive is a good start. (Not that he's been able to figure out how to "join" us since AOL dropped it's newsgroup reader) Steve, K4YZ Steve, perhaps you'd like to mentor Len in the joys of googling? |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: No doubt you have many excuses, Brian. Get your problems fixed...soon. Steve, K4YZ Nurse, heal thyself. I'm not ill nor injured. There's an ongoing debate about that. Some think both. There's no debate at all. Just snide comments from two antagonists who themselves have serious credibility and ethical issues yet unresolved. You, however, have a credibilty issue that needs to be repaired. My credit is just fine. Actually, it's exceptional. I am sure your credit is fine. Your credibilty is not. Telling the truth and distancing yourself from other persons known to lie and deceive is a good start. (Not that he's been able to figure out how to "join" us since AOL dropped it's newsgroup reader) Steve, K4YZ Steve, perhaps you'd like to mentor Len in the joys of googling? Nope. Things are just fine without him. Long may they last. Steve, K4YZ |
Date: Wed, Feb 16 2005 4:30 pm
From: "bb" K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: No doubt you have many excuses, Brian. Get your problems fixed...soon. Steve, K4YZ Nurse, heal thyself. I'm not ill nor injured. There's an ongoing debate about that. Some think both. Tsk, tsk. Stebe bin digging into the Sharps too deep again... :-) You, however, have a credibilty issue that needs to be repaired. My credit is just fine. Actually, it's exceptional. Stebe (the Avenging Angle...always a "right" angle) is into "credible." One might even say he is INcredible! :-) Telling the truth and distancing yourself from other persons known to lie and deceive is a good start. (Not that he's been able to figure out how to "join" us since AOL dropped it's newsgroup reader) Steve, K4YZ Steve, perhaps you'd like to mentor Len in the joys of googling? Heh heh heh. Pour lil Stebie (he musta "poured" hisself one too many) can't keep track of time. AOL shut off newsgroups on Feb 9, a Wednesday. I last posted on 14 Feb 05 via Google. :-) Tsk, he "sees" things that aren't there...and can't see things that are! Hmmm...who say "lie and deceive?" Must be Stebie...to himself. |
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K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: No doubt you have many excuses, Brian. Get your problems fixed...soon. Steve, K4YZ Nurse, heal thyself. I'm not ill nor injured. There's an ongoing debate about that. Some think both. There's no debate at all. But there is. Just snide comments from two antagonists who themselves have serious credibility and ethical issues yet unresolved. Snide or not, you have issues. You, however, have a credibilty issue that needs to be repaired. My credit is just fine. Actually, it's exceptional. I am sure your credit is fine. Your credibilty is not. I never noticed. Telling the truth and distancing yourself from other persons known to lie and deceive is a good start. (Not that he's been able to figure out how to "join" us since AOL dropped it's newsgroup reader) Steve, K4YZ Steve, perhaps you'd like to mentor Len in the joys of googling? Nope. Things are just fine without him. Long may they last. Steve, K4YZ Then your audience is down 50% (that's 1/2 for K8MN). |
wrote: Date: Wed, Feb 16 2005 4:30 pm From: "bb" K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: No doubt you have many excuses, Brian. Get your problems fixed...soon. Steve, K4YZ Nurse, heal thyself. I'm not ill nor injured. There's an ongoing debate about that. Some think both. Tsk, tsk. Stebe bin digging into the Sharps too deep again... :-) He's getting ready to have an "episode." You, however, have a credibilty issue that needs to be repaired. My credit is just fine. Actually, it's exceptional. Stebe (the Avenging Angle...always a "right" angle) is into "credible." One might even say he is INcredible! :-) I do. Telling the truth and distancing yourself from other persons known to lie and deceive is a good start. (Not that he's been able to figure out how to "join" us since AOL dropped it's newsgroup reader) Steve, K4YZ Steve, perhaps you'd like to mentor Len in the joys of googling? Heh heh heh. Pour lil Stebie (he musta "poured" hisself one too many) can't keep track of time. AOL shut off newsgroups on Feb 9, a Wednesday. I last posted on 14 Feb 05 via Google. :-) Him making statements like that could damage his credibility. Tsk, he "sees" things that aren't there...and can't see things that are! That would present problems for most people. Hmmm...who say "lie and deceive?" Must be Stebie...to himself. Better go easy. He might start yelling at hisself. |
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Date: Wed, Feb 16 2005 4:30 pm From: "bb" K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: Heh heh heh. Pour lil Stebie (he musta "poured" hisself one too many) can't keep track of time. AOL shut off newsgroups on Feb 9, a Wednesday. I last posted on 14 Feb 05 via Google. :-) I remember your post and the date--sort of an inverse Valentine greeting. Dave K8MN Ah, yes. The inverse rule. Is that like ten percent being compared to one hundred percent? Would it work out better if one hundred percent were compared to ten percent? |
bb wrote: wrote: Date: Wed, Feb 16 2005 4:30 pm From: "bb" K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: No doubt you have many excuses, Brian. Get your problems fixed...soon. Steve, K4YZ Nurse, heal thyself. I'm not ill nor injured. There's an ongoing debate about that. Some think both. Tsk, tsk. Stebe bin digging into the Sharps too deep again... :-) He's getting ready to have an "episode." Who's "Stebe"..? What "episode"...??? You, however, have a credibilty issue that needs to be repaired. My credit is just fine. Actually, it's exceptional. Stebe (the Avenging Angle...always a "right" angle) is into "credible." One might even say he is INcredible! I do. What's incredible is how you two can actually be so well documented as liars and still think that you're believed by anyone about anything even when you're right about something...Which is rare... Telling the truth and distancing yourself from other persons known to lie and deceive is a good start. (Not that he's been able to figure out how to "join" us since AOL dropped it's newsgroup reader) Steve, K4YZ Steve, perhaps you'd like to mentor Len in the joys of googling? Heh heh heh. Pour lil Stebie (he musta "poured" hisself one too many) can't keep track of time. AOL shut off newsgroups on Feb 9, a Wednesday. I last posted on 14 Feb 05 via Google. Him making statements like that could damage his credibility. I stand corrected. Way to go, Lennie... Tsk, he "sees" things that aren't there...and can't see things that are! That would present problems for most people. Hmmm...who say "lie and deceive?" Must be Stebie...to himself. Nope. To Leonard H Anderson...Who can't take this post to a lawyer and say "make him stop" becasue he knows who'd be proven the liar and who'd be laughing all the way home. Better go easy. He might start yelling at hisself. Naw...Just laughing at the "superior intellect". What a waste of opportunity your life has been, Lennie...To wind up the laughing stock of the practitioners of a technical hobby that you could have been a "household name" of... How's the wifey? Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Date: Wed, Feb 16 2005 4:30 pm From: "bb" K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: No doubt you have many excuses, Brian. Get your problems fixed...soon. Steve, K4YZ Nurse, heal thyself. I'm not ill nor injured. There's an ongoing debate about that. Some think both. Tsk, tsk. Stebe bin digging into the Sharps too deep again... :-) He's getting ready to have an "episode." Who's "Stebe"..? He's the guy Len is referring to. What "episode"...??? Patient records are sealed. You, however, have a credibilty issue that needs to be repaired. My credit is just fine. Actually, it's exceptional. Stebe (the Avenging Angle...always a "right" angle) is into "credible." One might even say he is INcredible! I do. What's incredible is how you two can actually be so well documented as liars and still think that you're believed by anyone about anything even when you're right about something...Which is rare... We're right more often than you'd like to think, more often than you'll admit. Telling the truth and distancing yourself from other persons known to lie and deceive is a good start. (Not that he's been able to figure out how to "join" us since AOL dropped it's newsgroup reader) Steve, K4YZ Steve, perhaps you'd like to mentor Len in the joys of googling? Heh heh heh. Pour lil Stebie (he musta "poured" hisself one too many) can't keep track of time. AOL shut off newsgroups on Feb 9, a Wednesday. I last posted on 14 Feb 05 via Google. Him making statements like that could damage his credibility. I stand corrected. Way to go, Lennie... At least you didn't persist. This time. Tsk, he "sees" things that aren't there...and can't see things that are! That would present problems for most people. Hmmm...who say "lie and deceive?" Must be Stebie...to himself. Nope. Who's "Stebie"..? To Leonard H Anderson...Who can't take this post to a lawyer and say "make him stop" becasue he knows who'd be proven the liar and who'd be laughing all the way home. Huh? Better go easy. He might start yelling at hisself. Naw...Just laughing at the "superior intellect". What a waste of opportunity your life has been, Lennie...To wind up the laughing stock of the practitioners of a technical hobby that you could have been a "household name" of... Why do you say that he could have been a "household name" of? |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Who's "Stebe"..? He's the guy Len is referring to. And who is Lennie refering to? Or is this another of his "incomming artillery" stories? What "episode"...??? Patient records are sealed. What patient records? More fiction, I see. What's incredible is how you two can actually be so well documented as liars and still think that you're believed by anyone about anything even when you're right about something...Which is rare... We're right more often than you'd like to think, more often than you'll admit. If you were "right" that often, Brain, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The fact is you THINK you are getting "something" right, but all you are doing is compounding your humiliation. That's why it's important for you to not sign your name to your posts. S'ok by me. I stand corrected. Way to go, Lennie... At least you didn't persist. This time. Because I WASN'T right and I admitted it. That's what seperates you and Lennie from the rest of us... ...the intestinal fortitude to do what's right when "doing what's right" is what's called for. To Leonard H Anderson...Who can't take this post to a lawyer and say "make him stop" becasue he knows who'd be proven the liar and who'd be laughing all the way home. Huh? "Huh" indeed. You got it. You're in the same boat and you're way past being able to successfully bail the thing out. Better go easy. He might start yelling at hisself. Naw...Just laughing at the "superior intellect". What a waste of opportunity your life has been, Lennie...To wind up the laughing stock of the practitioners of a technical hobby that you could have been a "household name" of... Why do you say that he could have been a "household name" of? Because had Lennie taken even a tenth of the energy he expells in this forum and focused it into something constuctive, he might have "been" something...the role model engineer he PERCEIVES himself as being. Unfortunately what he DID become was a discredited liar and antagonist. His loss. No one twisted his arm to do it. The engineering community in general and Amateur Radio in particular are doing just fine without him. You followed right along. Now you have the same bruised credibility and pitiful character issues. Sucks to be you, Brian. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ babbled his usual libelous filth on Feb 19, 9:10 am, to wit:
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Who's "Stebe"..? He's the guy Len is referring to. And who is Lennie refering to? Or is this another of his "incomming artillery" stories? Who is "Lennie?" What is this "incomming artillery stories?" [sic...it is actually 'incoming'] What "episode"...??? Patient records are sealed. What patient records? More fiction, I see. What are you babbling about? Did you imagine that you actually called "authorities" to "have us committed?" On the "strength" of your "professional qualifications" as an LPN? :-) If so, then you must have imagined that I was "picked up" and held somewhere. By the "authorities" of course. :-) Being "picked up" and in "authorities" hands implies that some "patient records" are kept. In "secret" of course. :-) What's incredible is how you two can actually be so well documented as liars and still think that you're believed by anyone about anything even when you're right about something...Which is rare... We're right more often than you'd like to think, more often than you'll admit. If you were "right" that often, Brain, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Tsk. This isn't a "conversation." No way. It is "K4YZ" babbling a lot of libelous filth at anyone who he feels gives him opposition to whatever "K4YZ" has posted. The fact is you THINK you are getting "something" right, but all you are doing is compounding your humiliation. That's why it's important for you to not sign your name to your posts. The only one "being humiliated" is "K4YZ" continually spewing libelous falsehoods at the person of Brian Burke or myself. The ONLY "signatures" possible in non-binary newsgroups is the encoded type. Signatures on documents and letters in the western world require handwriting. Handwriting on a computer requires either special, non-standardized hardware and software (not permitted here) or digitized image reproductions which require binary files (also not permitted here). Typing in some name at the end of a message is not required. The header information on who the sender is appears with each Internet browser output. I stand corrected. Way to go, Lennie... At least you didn't persist. This time. Because I WASN'T right and I admitted it. You have rarely been "right" about the libelous filth you throw at those who oppose you. You continually fabricate LIES about the person (and their families) of those you don't like. In your imaginary world involving the PCTA Double Standard, you are the only one "right" and all others are "liars." Ergo, to you, you do nothing wrong...but all others can obviously see that you are doing wrong. That's what seperates you and Lennie from the rest of us... Tsk. "K4YZ" shaking his little "we-we" again, presuming that all others think (and emotionally react) as he does. ...the intestinal fortitude to do what's right when "doing what's right" is what's called for. "Doing what is right" should involve addressing SUBJECTS, not the continual heaping of libelous filth on the persons opposing "K4YZ"'s opinions. To Leonard H Anderson...Who can't take this post to a lawyer and say "make him stop" becasue he knows who'd be proven the liar and who'd be laughing all the way home. Huh? "Huh" indeed. You got it. You're in the same boat and you're way past being able to successfully bail the thing out. Tsk, tsk, tsk. More fantasyland thinking...poor "K4YZ" being some kind of righteous holier-than-all-others who thinks that opposition to "K4YZ"'s postings are "lies." In any other venue, poor "K4YZ" would be thought nuts, demented, the-light-is-on-but-nobody's-home whacko. [at this point "K4YZ" will shout and holler about "nobody can call him crazy without having 'professional medical credentials'" which will be odd since "K4YZ" doesn't have either psychologist or psychiatric credentials, just a Licensed Practical Nurse certificate] Better go easy. He might start yelling at hisself. Naw...Just laughing at the "superior intellect". What a waste of opportunity your life has been, Lennie...To wind up the laughing stock of the practitioners of a technical hobby that you could have been a "household name" of... Why do you say that he could have been a "household name" of? Because had Lennie taken even a tenth of the energy he expells in this forum and focused it into something constuctive, he might have "been" something...the role model engineer he PERCEIVES himself as being. Oh, my. More libelous filth. [it never seems to stop] :-) This isn't an engineering newsgroup. "K4YZ" doesn't have any experience in electronics engineering (a short job as a purchasing agent is not a "credential"), so he cannot judge anyone in that. "K4YZ" is a licensed U.S. amateur extra...and presumes that all radio amateurs think as he does (whenver he wants to shake his little "we-we" statements, that is). 'K4YZ" is thus an example in public of the off-air comportment of U.S. radio amateurs. Not a good example unless the ARRL approves of amateurs being granted some kind of "right" to heap libelous filth on the persons who disagree with them. "K4YZ" may bring up his fantasy "source" of some "now-PhD" who worked at Naval Air Development Center and whom he "quoted" as saying I was a bad guy there. Tsk. I've never worked in the emply of the United States Navy and spent a few months at NADC as an employee of RCA Corporation, representing RCA on-site to one NADC working group and also providing technical assistance on use of RCA designed-and-built equipment for a potential aircraft warning system. Only three NADC employees were in that group and all are retired. I've been in personal correspondence with one of them since that retirement began. "K4YZ" has never revealed "his source's" name. He can't. He doesn't exist. Unfortunately what he DID become was a discredited liar and antagonist. His loss. No one twisted his arm to do it. Again, a LIE by "K4YZ" which is just libelous filth. Tsk. The engineering community in general and Amateur Radio in particular are doing just fine without him. More of the "we-we" shaking and another LIE about the "engineering community." "K4YZ" never worked in any "engineering community" nor does he have any evidence of any wrongdoing in engineering by myself. He fantasizes much libelous filth, wallows in it, then tries to pass it off as some kind of "truth." There isn't any truth in it. It is LIES. The fact of my matter is that I am still involved in electronics engineering. I have no need to put in regular hours at that and can pick and choose what I wish to work on. That is normally the situation with retired engineers and that is what I do. I am still a Life Member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE) and have not compromised any of that professional group's ethics or standards. The IEEE has a website at www.ieee.org that may be accessed by anyone with an Internet connection. You followed right along. Now you have the same bruised credibility and pitiful character issues. Sucks to be you, Brian. Tsk, tsk. "K4YZ" continues to heap libelous filth on all his newsgroup opponents. Always attacking the person of his opponents at the exclusion of the subject matter of a news- group. Is that the "role model" portrayal of the modern U.S. radio amateur of the amateur extra class? |
wrote: K4YZ babbled his usual libelous filth on Feb 19, 9:10 am, to wit: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Who's "Stebe"..? He's the guy Len is referring to. And who is Lennie refering to? Or is this another of his "incomming artillery" stories? Who is "Lennie?" "Lennie" would be MY "endearment" for Leonard H Anderson of Sun Valley, CA. Lennie is a well known liar, antagonist and decietful old man who plagues USENET newsgroups of hobby groups that he's not a participant of. What is this "incomming artillery stories?" [sic...it is actually 'incoming'] Same-O Same-O. It was a story YOU wrote to insinuate that others didn't know what it was like to be "under fire", yet your closest experience to combat is Clancy novels. What "episode"...??? Patient records are sealed. What patient records? More fiction, I see. What are you babbling about? "Babbling indeed". Ask your buddy. He's the one who started that...that was why I was asking HIM "What patient records..." You gotta follow the attributes, Scummy. Did you imagine that you actually called "authorities" to "have us committed?" On the "strength" of your "professional qualifications" as an LPN? I have spoke with persons in California about issues that peripherally involve you. You can insist that I haven't, but you are big about denial of your own. It is "K4YZ" babbling a lot of libelous filth at anyone who he feels gives him opposition to whatever "K4YZ" has posted. It's only "libelous" if it's not true. The fact is you THINK you are getting "something" right, but all you are doing is compounding your humiliation. That's why it's important for you to not sign your name to your posts. The only one "being humiliated" is "K4YZ" continually spewing libelous falsehoods at the person of Brian Burke or myself. It's not "libelous" or a "falsehood" if it's true. ...the intestinal fortitude to do what's right when "doing what's right" is what's called for. "Doing what is right" should involve addressing SUBJECTS, not the continual heaping of libelous filth on the persons opposing "K4YZ"'s opinions. It's not about "opinions". Leonard H Anderson has uttered dozens of untruthful statements in this forum. They have been archived. Leonard H Anderson has uses dozens of hateful, demeaning epithets agains all others who oppose HIS "opinions" then cries "foul" when done back to him. [at this point "K4YZ" will shout and holler about "nobody can call him crazy without having 'professional medical credentials'" which will be odd since "K4YZ" doesn't have either psychologist or psychiatric credentials, just a Licensed Practical Nurse certificate] I don't have a "Licensed Practical Nurse certificate". Because had Lennie taken even a tenth of the energy he expells in this forum and focused it into something constuctive, he might have "been" something...the role model engineer he PERCEIVES himself as being. Oh, my. More libelous filth. [it never seems to stop] It's not libelous if it's true. You are not a licensed Radio Amateur. You could have been a positive contributer to the Amateur Radio community. You claim it's a meaningful pursuit, but you obviously hate everything about it and anyone connected with it. You authored a few articles in a quasi-engineering level Amateur Radio journal many years ago. None of those articles ever produced a single bit of professional recognition. You've contributed nothing to the technical development of Amateur Radio. These are not lies. These are statements of fact. Unless you can produce some documentary evidence to the contrary? This isn't an engineering newsgroup. "K4YZ" doesn't have any experience in electronics engineering (a short job as a purchasing agent is not a "credential"), so he cannot judge anyone in that. Then if we use YOUR above statement/logic verbatim, why are YOU in THIS forum? You are not a licensed Amateur. You cannot, therefore, be any kind of a judge of what Amateurs should do or how they should do it. "K4YZ" may bring up his fantasy "source" of some "now-PhD" who worked at Naval Air Development Center and whom he "quoted" as saying I was a bad guy there. Tsk. I've never worked in the emply (TYPO! TYPO! LENNIE'S MAD!) of the United States Navy and spent a few months at NADC as an employee of RCA Corporation, representing RCA on-site to one NADC working group and also providing technical assistance on use of RCA designed-and-built equipment for a potential aircraft warning system. Only three NADC employees were in that group and all are retired. I've been in personal correspondence with one of them since that retirement began. "K4YZ" has never revealed "his source's" name. He can't. He doesn't exist. I can, but I won't. You left a very negative impression on persons who ARE engineers and ARE qualified to judge. I know the other person. I've never known him to utter a single untruthful comment. You, on the otherhand, have littered the Internet with mistruths. You are, in a word, a LIAR. Unfortunately what he DID become was a discredited liar and antagonist. His loss. No one twisted his arm to do it. Again, a LIE by "K4YZ" which is just libelous filth. Tsk. It's not libelous if it's true. You are an antagonist. Your "word" has been discreditied on occassions too numerous to count. You make statements that are not true or that you will not substantiate with valid references. The engineering community in general and Amateur Radio in particular are doing just fine without him. More of the "we-we" shaking and another LIE about the "engineering community." "K4YZ" never worked in any "engineering community" nor does he have any evidence of any wrongdoing in engineering by myself. He fantasizes much libelous filth, wallows in it, then tries to pass it off as some kind of "truth." There isn't any truth in it. It is LIES. No, It's not. My statement is NOT a lie: "The engineering community in general and Amateur Radio in particular are doing just fine without him". Unless you can show where some major engineering program has faltered as a result of your non-participation...??? The fact of my matter is that I am still involved in electronics engineering. I have no need to put in regular hours at that and can pick and choose what I wish to work on. That is normally the situation with retired engineers and that is what I do. I am still a Life Member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE) and have not compromised any of that professional group's ethics or standards. The IEEE has a website at www.ieee.org that may be accessed by anyone with an Internet connection. Repeatedly lying in public is an accepted ethical standard of the IEEE, Lennie? You followed right along. Now you have the same bruised credibility and pitiful character issues. Sucks to be you, Brian. Tsk, tsk. "K4YZ" continues to heap libelous filth on all his newsgroup opponents. And here again you are LYING, Lennie! Why do you insist on claiming that you don't lie, then proceed to do so in the very same post...??? Always attacking the person of his opponents at the exclusion of the subject matter of a news- group. Is that the "role model" portrayal of the modern U.S. radio amateur of the amateur extra class? I've discussed many subjects in this newsgroup, Lennie...even tenatiously. You say I "always" attack persons who don't share my views. That is, in and of itself, yet another lie. From a person who finds it easy to lie. Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
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