VEC rates to increase
I see that as of January 1, the ARRL VEC-coordinated Amateur Radio
examination sessions fee will rise from $12 to $14. The VE teams may retain up to $6 of this fee to reimburse the out-of-pocket test expenses. Is this appropriate? - Mike KB3EIA - |
I see that as of January 1, the ARRL VEC-coordinated Amateur Radio examination sessions fee will rise from $12 to $14. The VE teams may retain up to $6 of this fee to reimburse the out-of-pocket test expenses. Is this appropriate? - Mike KB3EIA - Hello Mike ......yepper sure nuff is .....the amount of time and resources spent by our club and its members justifies the expense. We offer a 1 yr free membership to the club for anyone who takes our course and passes the NC tech. The money collected goes into the club coffer and is used also to subsidies the study guide for the course. Take care and the best for 05 for all on the group ..... 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa. |
What about "volunteer" doesn't the FCC understand?
And if they're worried about their gas money, I think they can claim 31 cents per mile on their federal income tax returns for travel incurred while volunteering. You asked. bb |
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:36:02 +1100, Barry OGrady wrote:
I see that as of January 1, the ARRL VEC-coordinated Amateur Radio examination sessions fee will rise from $12 to $14. The VE teams may retain up to $6 of this fee to reimburse the out-of-pocket test expenses. Is this appropriate? No. The FCC should do the tests. How in hell did you get this one right for a change? I agree with you 100% but it isn't going to happen, not in our lifetime and beyond. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
Mike Coslo wrote:
I see that as of January 1, the ARRL VEC-coordinated Amateur Radio examination sessions fee will rise from $12 to $14. The VE teams may retain up to $6 of this fee to reimburse the out-of-pocket test expenses. Nobody gets rich being a VE. Expenses are up, so what else is new? |
How in hell did you get this one right for a change? I agree with you 100% but it isn't going to happen, not in our lifetime and beyond. Even an "F" student gets a few answers right. How many versions of the tests did the FCC have at any one time? The rules used to say "No retests within 30 days" so that would mean that they changed the versions every 30 days. Now, if they only had two versions, one could wait 60 days and see the exact same test they had before. I don't suppose the examiners had kept track to see if anyone actually did that. Or more likely they didn't worry about it. |
Hello Mike ......yepper sure nuff is .....the amount of time and resources spent by our club and its members justifies the expense. We offer a 1 yr free membership to the club for anyone who takes our course and passes the NC tech. The money collected goes into the club coffer and is used also to subsidies the study guide for the course. How much of a bribe do you require to grant a pass? Well Barry I guess I should come clean on this one ...... to tell you the truth I haven't had to was my car for the last 10 years. Every Thursday there are about 2 dozen guys that come over and cut my grass and was the windows. Also on alternate Tuesdays their wifes cook me dinner. Now this is ONLY for a no code pass. I have been personally treated to ski weekends, broadway shows and comps at Atlantic City among other things for Gerneal passes. Now for the EXTRA ....I used to get free airfare and rooms in Europe when the code speed was 20 WPM but alas now with 5 WPM I can only manage the Vegas - westcoast vacations. However I do have a Lincoln Town Car a DX fanatic bought for me. Barry you ought to get into this mode ... a guy can make a good living at it. 73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa. Take care and the best for 05 for all on the group ..... 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa. -Barry |
"garigue" wrote in message news:_xFAd.302018$HA.259646@attbi_s01... Hello Mike ......yepper sure nuff is .....the amount of time and resources spent by our club and its members justifies the expense. We offer a 1 yr free membership to the club for anyone who takes our course and passes the NC tech. The money collected goes into the club coffer and is used also to subsidies the study guide for the course. How much of a bribe do you require to grant a pass? Well Barry I guess I should come clean on this one ...... to tell you the truth I haven't had to was my car for the last 10 years. Every Thursday there are about 2 dozen guys that come over and cut my grass and was the windows. Also on alternate Tuesdays their wifes cook me dinner. Now this is ONLY for a no code pass. I have been personally treated to ski weekends, broadway shows and comps at Atlantic City among other things for Gerneal passes. Now for the EXTRA ....I used to get free airfare and rooms in Europe when the code speed was 20 WPM but alas now with 5 WPM I can only manage the Vegas - westcoast vacations. However I do have a Lincoln Town Car a DX fanatic bought for me. Barry you ought to get into this mode ... a guy can make a good living at it. 73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa. OOOPs that should be wash the car and windows ....I guess the sensory components are down in my right index finger from all the greensstamps that have passed over them ..... Take care and the best for 05 for all on the group ..... 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa. -Barry |
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:43:22 GMT, "garigue"
wrote: Hello Mike ......yepper sure nuff is .....the amount of time and resources spent by our club and its members justifies the expense. We offer a 1 yr free membership to the club for anyone who takes our course and passes the NC tech. The money collected goes into the club coffer and is used also to subsidies the study guide for the course. How much of a bribe do you require to grant a pass? Well Barry I guess I should come clean on this one ...... to tell you the truth I haven't had to was my car for the last 10 years. Every Thursday there are about 2 dozen guys that come over and cut my grass and was the windows. Also on alternate Tuesdays their wifes cook me dinner. Now this is ONLY for a no code pass. I have been personally treated to ski weekends, broadway shows and comps at Atlantic City among other things for Gerneal passes. Now for the EXTRA ....I used to get free airfare and rooms in Europe when the code speed was 20 WPM but alas now with 5 WPM I can only manage the Vegas - westcoast vacations. However I do have a Lincoln Town Car a DX fanatic bought for me. Barry you ought to get into this mode ... a guy can make a good living at it. 73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa. Great comeback - well done, Tom! 73, Leo |
N2EY says, "I'm not a VE, so I don't know how much it actually costs to
conduct a session. But it seems to me..." Lessee. Doesn't serve his country in the armed forces. Doesn't serve his country as a paid "volunteer examiner." He must serve in other ways. But he always has an opinion. |
Lessee. Doesn't serve his country in the armed forces. Doesn't serve his country as a paid "volunteer examiner." He must serve in other ways. Well, he pays taxes.... But he always has an opinion. |
Maybe not. He just might be an evangelical engineer and his work is
tax-free. |
What does "volunteer" mean to you?
Why must all of our words change their meaning to satisfy a very, very few? |
Yep, the government should do the work of the government.
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:31:48 GMT, robert casey wrote:
How many versions of the tests did the FCC have at any one time? The rules used to say "No retests within 30 days" so that would mean that they changed the versions every 30 days. Not so. There were 4 or 5 different versions of the same element, randomly given out so the person next to you would usually have a different version from the one that you had (most serious multiple- guess tests work that way too). Thirty days was enough of a break in time that examinees who didn't know their stuff cold would forget what the questions and suggested answers were, and the exam rooms were not overloaded with applicants (except for Friday after Thanksgiving and during spring and winter breaks when the place resembled the Istanbul Bazzar...) This of course was before Dick Bash. (ooo, did I open the can of worms again ??) I don't suppose the examiners had kept track to see if anyone actually did that. Or more likely they didn't worry about it. All the examiners whom have known over the years were pretty laid back except for catching overt cheating. The engineers (supervisors) would also randomly stroll up and down the aisles usually to see what the latest "exam aids" were. ggg -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, bb wrote:
What about "volunteer" doesn't the FCC understand? And if they're worried about their gas money, I think they can claim 31 cents per mile on their federal income tax returns for travel incurred while volunteering. WRONG: Volunteer (charitable) work only gets 14 cents per mile. You couldn't even get that correct. |
"D. Stussy" wrote WRONG: Volunteer (charitable) work only gets 14 cents per mile. Which, assuming you're in a 28% tax bracket, only works out to a tax savings of $.04 per mile. You better have a damned economical car or you're losing money on that deal! |
D. Stussy wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, bb wrote: What about "volunteer" doesn't the FCC understand? And if they're worried about their gas money, I think they can claim 31 cents per mile on their federal income tax returns for travel incurred while volunteering. WRONG: Volunteer (charitable) work only gets 14 cents per mile. You couldn't even get that correct. Direct jump to "Snide Mode". Guess you missed the part where he said "...I think"...indicating that even he wasn't sure and was acknowledging that in advance. Go back to your Windmill Tilting Contest, Dieter. Steve, K4YZ |
D. Stussy wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, bb wrote: What about "volunteer" doesn't the FCC understand? And if they're worried about their gas money, I think they can claim 31 cents per mile on their federal income tax returns for travel incurred while volunteering. WRONG: Volunteer (charitable) work only gets 14 cents per mile. You couldn't even get that correct. Direct jump to "Snide Mode". Guess you missed the part where he said "...I think"...indicating that even he wasn't sure and was acknowledging that in advance. Go back to your Windmill Tilting Contest, Dieter. Steve, K4YZ |
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WRONG: Volunteer (charitable) work only gets 14 cents per mile. Which, assuming you're in a 28% tax bracket, only works out to a tax savings of $.04 per mile. You better have a damned economical car or you're losing money on that deal! """ Now that's the spirit of Volunteerism! Maybe the FCC will let the American Red Cross handle amateur testing. They allow more on mileage. Hi! We need to get the government back into governing/regulating and out of charity work. They suck at it. |
GLAARG is still $4 for as many elements as you wish to pass in a single
session. ARRL isn't the only game in town. Jim GLAARG VE ARRL VE "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... I see that as of January 1, the ARRL VEC-coordinated Amateur Radio examination sessions fee will rise from $12 to $14. The VE teams may retain up to $6 of this fee to reimburse the out-of-pocket test expenses. Is this appropriate? - Mike KB3EIA - |
bb wrote:
Maybe not. He just might be an evangelical engineer and his work is tax-free. Well, I'm looking forward to paying income tax again next year... The job market is starting to pick up some again. |
RST Engineering wrote:
GLAARG is still $4 for as many elements as you wish to pass in a single session. ARRL isn't the only game in town. Hell, for a one time event $14 ain't gonna break the bank.... |
bb wrote:
N2EY says, "I'm not a VE, so I don't know how much it actually costs to conduct a session. But it seems to me..." Lessee. Doesn't serve his country in the armed forces. Doesn't serve his country as a paid "volunteer examiner." He must serve in other ways. But he always has an opinion. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, Brian. We wouldn't have anywhere near as much fun if we could only give opinions on what we have personal experience in! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
Best of luck. If your field is still engineering, I hope that Congress
doesn't allow another 250,000 engineer visas in 2005. bb |
Mike said: """Everyone is entitled to an opinion, Brian.""" Reeaally??? """We wouldn't have anywhere near as much fun if we could only give opinions on what we have personal experience in! 8^)""" Then lotsa people on RRAP owe Len Anderson an apology. When I see those apologies, I'll stop pointing out that "true blue" Jim has never served his country in any capacity, yet has availed himself to the finest education and standard of living in a system where the freedom to do so were paid for with the blood of other people's sons. Happy New Year. |
"bb" wrote in message
oups.com... Mike said: """Everyone is entitled to an opinion, Brian.""" Reeaally??? """We wouldn't have anywhere near as much fun if we could only give opinions on what we have personal experience in! 8^)""" Then lotsa people on RRAP owe Len Anderson an apology. When I see those apologies, I'll stop pointing out that "true blue" Jim has never served his country in any capacity, yet has availed himself to the finest education and standard of living in a system where the freedom to do so were paid for with the blood of other people's sons. Happy New Year. So...wait just a minute. Are you saying that anyone who does not serve his country in any capacity (you'd have to define in any capacity, by the way) is not supposed to live in the United States? Because, in the United States we--regardless of *military* service to the country or not--DO avail ourselves of whatever is available, be that a good education, a good job, a good doctor, a good teacher, a good whatever. That the freedoms we enjoy are here, because of the military service of others, is greatly appreciated by most--there are those that are just plain idiots (and Jim is not one of them). And, to read your comment above without having paid attention to this thread, seems to say that anyone who doesn't meet your standards of service should just roll up and die? Surely I am mistaken in my interpretation of your comment, above. Kim W5TIT |
Kim wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... Mike said: """Everyone is entitled to an opinion, Brian.""" Reeaally??? """We wouldn't have anywhere near as much fun if we could only give opinions on what we have personal experience in! 8^)""" Then lotsa people on RRAP owe Len Anderson an apology. When I see those apologies, I'll stop pointing out that "true blue" Jim has never served his country in any capacity, yet has availed himself to the finest education and standard of living in a system where the freedom to do so were paid for with the blood of other people's sons. Happy New Year. So...wait just a minute. Are you saying that anyone who does not serve his country in any capacity (you'd have to define in any capacity, by the way) is not supposed to live in the United States? ***That isn't what I said, but do you argue that I'm not entitled to my own opinion?*** Because, in the United States Is Kim going to tell ---me--- about America??? Please allow me to assume the position. we--regardless of *military* service to the country or not--DO avail ourselves of whatever is available, be that a good education, a good job, a good doctor, a good teacher, a good whatever. Indeed many do. They take and they take, good whatever. Good everythig!!! Do you count yourself among those??? That the freedoms we enjoy are here, because of the military service of others, is greatly appreciated by most-- Huge, huge appreciations. Yellow magnet ribbons and all.... there are those that are just plain idiots (and Jim is not one of them). Why do you say that Jim is not? As a matteer of fact, I think Jim IS one of the idiots. And, to read your comment above without having paid attention to this thread, seems to say that anyone who doesn't meet your standards of service should just roll up and die? If you like you can read it that way. But that is not what I meant. Meanwhile, Len, who has served is supposed to roll up and die. Why is that??? Surely I am mistaken in my interpretation of your comment, above. Kim W5TIT To be -perfectly- clear, I think Jim is a welfare freeloader to avail hisself to the freedom to go to USA engineering schools, to avail hisself to a career in engineering, and then to comment on how bad life in America is without ***ever*** having done a Goddamned thing to risk even a split fingernail, all the while putting down Len Anderson who has contributed more to America than a single Jim/N2EY fingernail. Kim, you did ask. bb |
Lenof21 wrote:
In article .com, "bb" writes: Mike said: """Everyone is entitled to an opinion, Brian.""" Reeaally??? """We wouldn't have anywhere near as much fun if we could only give opinions on what we have personal experience in! 8^)""" Then lotsa people on RRAP owe Len Anderson an apology. Amateur morsemen are far superior to professionals in radio. They have nice Titles and federal call signs and all kinds of good stuff washed into their brains like a henna rinse. They apologize to NO one. "Amateur morsemen" are far superior to professionals in AMATEUR radio. This forum is about AMATEUR radio...Not "professional", military, Public Service, PLMRS, etc etc etc. When I see those apologies, I'll stop pointing out that "true blue" Jim has never served his country in any capacity, yet has availed himself to the finest education and standard of living in a system where the freedom to do so were paid for with the blood of other people's sons. He "served in 'other' ways." He knew all about the space business without having worked in it. Good trick, even if he wasn't rated in soldering to NPC-200. I am sure he can cut-and-paste as well as you do, Lennie, however I bet Jim's far more competent and knowledgeable in "space business" than you without the URL's to click on. He knew all about USSR military aircraft too, even though he didn't shoot any Bears for naval intelligence (another non- serviceman did that). He sure does...And funny you should mention that since it was YOU that brought up being threatened by Mr Tupolev's turboprop wonder despite the fact it wasn't in servce until YOU were out of theater! He has a BSEE and an MSEE, double-degreed, supposedly in an electronics industry but won't say which one, but he can do morse code at high rate...which makes him far superior as a 2004 radio person. When matched against an UNlicensed ex-radio technician wannabe...Sure! Whoopee. If an NCTA mentions degrees, yet another "superior" calls night college classes something derogatory, implying they are for some kind of civics for citizenship candidates or are classes for remedial English. If I mention that my wife has TWO Masters Degrees, that "superior" person calls the University of Illinois at Urbana a "correspondence school." She obviously doesn't have the requisite skills to get you into therapy or counselling, ergo I doubt she has the credentials you cite. And my wife gets a personal insult because she is married to me, all courtesy of that medically-discharged veteran of "seven hostile actions." Late in the year this "healthcare professional" told me to go have a stroke. No..I said PLEASE go have a stroke. And I haven't insulted your wife. I believe I ahve said she has some special intestinal fortitude for being able to sleep next to you. Yet another "superior" (perhaps the radio god of all) claims actual Department of State employment yet doesn't get into the socio- political "cures and remedies" spouted by all those other PCTA "superiors" who've never had any diplomatic experience or politics or of economics (beyond their personal account stuff) but regularly spout All About it. Lessee...Dave Heil spent a life career in the State Department and YOU didn't...Dave was actually AT those places we only read about or watched on TV. And Lennie was...In Japan at a rear-area radio relay station for a couple of years in the 50's... Never mind that national issues on economics or politics don't have much effect on radio regulations or ham radio. Absolutely, without contradiction, one of the most assinine assertions you've ever made, Lennie. Economics has been one of the MAJOR driving factors behind numerous impacts on the Amateur Service! That most-superior person claims he was "in" Vietnam but can't or won't describe any duties "in" Vietnam or that they involved radio of any kind. All he do is diss and cuss at the person he doesn't personally like. He IS the superior one. He say so. Uhhh...Seems he's not lied about any of his duties to me, Lennie. On the otherhand, we have you, an ex-Army radio meachanic claiming to have handled over "2.1 million" bits of traffic until the mathematics of your silly claim were laid bare. Then you tried to dance around it. And let's not forget how glorious YOUR Army career was simply by having been in a unit that had suffered KIA's three years before you were ever there. Now we've got Mike Coslo, the self-styled "moderator" who wants this newsgroup to become a nice little private chat room for all the PCTA "buddies" and to heck with Schleck and his guidelines to what this newsgroup is about. Coslo also "serves in 'other' ways." Mike hasn't suggested that there be a moderator. He HAS urged civility and cooperation. Of course we know that with you here, Lennie, that's about as likely to happen as my Brittney fantasies. Happy New Year. Okay, this is almost Day One of the year 2005 and I'm writing during some Rose Parade coverage on TV, wondering if the Pasadena weather will clear enough for a nice spectacle. This holiday's weather here is very iffy. Oh, as long as YOU are there, Lennie, there will ALWAYS be a "spectacle" in Kalifornication! The Rose Parade is an enterprise with a $10 million budget and one amateur has claimed that ham radio was "essential" to the organizers. It never was, but that's another one of many myths that grew and prospered with the fantasyland folk who get way too far into a hobby and lose their grip on reality. This private chat room called rec.radio.amateur.policy doesn't look like a good place to actually discuss "policy" in re ham radio. All have to mantra-mumble selected sayings from the Church of St. Hiram (HQ in Newington) and Believe in the efficacy of morsemanship. All discussion is pointless. It's all a trash can of insults on the persons holding no-code-test advocacy. No..we only insult those who ARE insulting. That would be you. You're a documented liar and antagonist. Morse code uber alles! Microphones delenda est! You're a fool, Anderson. Happy 2005. It could be. Steve, K4YZ |
Hmmm? Doesn't look like an apology.
Anyway, if Jim and Kelly hadn't put forth the idea that they have served, all this wouldn't be an issue. |
Because, in the United States Is Kim going to tell ---me--- about America??? Please allow me to assume the position. "Thank you sir, may I have another?!" |
Lenof21 wrote:
In article .com, "bb" writes: Amateur morsemen are far superior to professionals in radio. They might be or they might not be. So far, you're the only fellow making such a claim. Radio amateurs who use morse may or may not be superior to professionals in radio who use morse. They are certainly superior in the use of morse code to professionals in radio who don't know morse code. They have nice Titles and federal call signs and all kinds of good stuff washed into their brains like a henna rinse. They apologize to NO one. :-) Titles? I know of no titles. I do have a federally issued call sign. Don't you? When I see those apologies, I'll stop pointing out that "true blue" Jim has never served his country in any capacity, yet has availed himself to the finest education and standard of living in a system where the freedom to do so were paid for with the blood of other people's sons. He "served in 'other' ways." :-( You don't believe that to be possible? He knew all about the space business without having worked in it. Good trick, even if he wasn't rated in soldering to NPC-200. Do you have information that he didn't work in it? He knew all about USSR military aircraft too, even though he didn't shoot any Bears for naval intelligence (another non- serviceman did that). He knew that the ones you wrote about didn't exist at the time of your service. He has a BSEE and an MSEE, double-degreed, supposedly in an electronics industry but won't say which one... What's that to you? ...but he can do morse code at high rate...which makes him far superior as a 2004 radio person. Being able to handle morse certainly gives him more tools at his disposal than a radio amateur who is unable to send or receive morse. Yet another "superior" (perhaps the radio god of all) claims actual Department of State employment... Yeah! Remember how, according to you, I didn't appear on any list of key employees until I offered proof in the form of several archived urls? After that, the "Key Officers of Foreign Service Posts" list became telephone contact lists to you. Nobody disputes that at the time of my "claimed" Foreign Service assignments, I actually appeared on the ham bands from those various places. Do you know anyone who travels to various countries, staying for two or three years and operating on the ham bands during that time just so he can fake a claim to Department of State employment? Gosh, but you're a loon, Len. ...yet doesn't get into the socio- political "cures and remedies" spouted by all those other PCTA "superiors" who've never had any diplomatic experience or politics or of economics (beyond their personal account stuff) but regularly spout All About it. I was never told that there was a requirement set out by you which had to be met. :-) Never mind that national issues on economics or politics don't have much effect on radio regulations or ham radio. That most-superior person claims he was "in" Vietnam but can't or won't describe any duties "in" Vietnam or that they involved radio of any kind. I claim that I was in Vietnam because I was in Vietnam. My duties, as previously stated here, did have to do with radio of some kind. Those duties could be found on the web by anyone with any ability at using a search engine. All he do is diss and cuss at the person he doesn't personally like. He IS the superior one. He say so. As a radio amateur, I'm much superior to you. I've had an amateur radio license for 41 years. You have none. You have never had one. Even the guy who received his ticket in last week's mail is superior to you in amateur radio. If you find that to be a problem, you'd better get used to it. All discussion is pointless. It's all a trash can of insults on the persons holding no-code-test advocacy. That's a sweeping generalization, Leonard. Most of that stuff is reserved for you alone. You grate on folks. Dave K8MN |
"bb" wrote in message
oups.com... Kim wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... Mike said: """Everyone is entitled to an opinion, Brian.""" Reeaally??? """We wouldn't have anywhere near as much fun if we could only give opinions on what we have personal experience in! 8^)""" Then lotsa people on RRAP owe Len Anderson an apology. When I see those apologies, I'll stop pointing out that "true blue" Jim has never served his country in any capacity, yet has availed himself to the finest education and standard of living in a system where the freedom to do so were paid for with the blood of other people's sons. Happy New Year. So...wait just a minute. Are you saying that anyone who does not serve his country in any capacity (you'd have to define in any capacity, by the way) is not supposed to live in the United States? ***That isn't what I said, but do you argue that I'm not entitled to my own opinion?*** Anyone is entitled to their opinion, and I deny no one that. However, in general, one cannot expect to express things without discourse on them. So, if you are taking offense that I would seek clarification for what you are saying, then to add or disagree with it--then you're offense is duly noted. Because, in the United States Is Kim going to tell ---me--- about America??? Please allow me to assume the position. You really do seem rather argumentative. And, in my opinion (may Kim tell you about Kim, even?) to assume an argumentative (if not rather childish) position (or, perhaps that is not what you meant by "position") leads me to believe that this reply-post is an exercise in futility. we--regardless of *military* service to the country or not--DO avail ourselves of whatever is available, be that a good education, a good job, a good doctor, a good teacher, a good whatever. Indeed many do. They take and they take, good whatever. Good everythig!!! Do you count yourself among those??? What in the world do you mean, "among those"? I seek good everything and anything. What do you want me to do? Strive to be a failure?! Your question is startling. That the freedoms we enjoy are here, because of the military service of others, is greatly appreciated by most-- Huge, huge appreciations. Yellow magnet ribbons and all.... Is your comment somewhat resentful of the ribbons, moreover the sentiment to support our troops?! Again, your startling. there are those that are just plain idiots (and Jim is not one of them). Why do you say that Jim is not? Oh, wait. Let me communicate back to you the same way you communicated to me: are you saying I am not entitled to my opinion? Hey, you opened that friggin' door, now close it. As a matteer of fact, I think Jim IS one of the idiots. Oh, and here, let me demonstrate how much more human I am capable of being than you: You are entitled to your opinion about Jim--or anyone else. BUT, I do not share your opinion. And, to read your comment above without having paid attention to this thread, seems to say that anyone who doesn't meet your standards of service should just roll up and die? If you like you can read it that way. Well, I don't "like" to think that anyone would believe like that. There are those who serve their nation through military means, there are those that support them in any and every way they can; there are those who remain here at home and help their families; there are those who go to their jobs every day to keep the inner-workings (and the reason for living in such a wonderful country, by the way) moving; there are those who serve their nation politically; and, then, there are those who sponge off any opportunity, until it all dries up. For anyone to have a scholarship in this country, they had to meet criteria--set forth by the governing body of that scholarship. For anyone to have availed themselves of any oppportunity to get as top-notch an education, or as top-notch an opportunity, as they could possibly get is for them to have participated in their own destiny, rather than letting things just happen to them. I don't think you're capable of understanding where it is I would go with this...so I'll not bother. But that is not what I meant. Meanwhile, Len, who has served is supposed to roll up and die. Why is that??? Surely I am mistaken in my interpretation of your comment, above. Kim W5TIT To be -perfectly- clear, I think Jim is a welfare freeloader to avail hisself to the freedom to go to USA engineering schools, to avail hisself to a career in engineering, and then to comment on how bad life in America is without ***ever*** having done a Goddamned thing to risk even a split fingernail, You know what? Screw your ever-loving split fingernail theory. You are one of those who seem (and note I've said "seem") to be of the opinion that only those who have served in the United States military are entitled to all the benefits of HAVING BEEN BORN in the USA. You see? That's all it takes for entitlement he being born in the USA, or becoming a US citizen (although, and here's a drift to another thread for you--if you can handle it: there are those who are NOT from this country who come over here with their little weenie green cards, suck up what they can from the United States, send it back home, and then go back home themselves...or go on to becoming a US citizen but are pretty darned slinky folks...in my opinion). all the while putting down Len Anderson who has contributed more to America than a single Jim/N2EY fingernail. Kim, you did ask. bb Uh huh. I did ask. And, you came back with this argument initially that--paraphrasing--were you not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled. You are entitled to believe that the ground a military person walks on is sacred and that no one else is "entitled" to the same benefits from the United States as a person who has served in the military. You are entitled to believe that we don't all, in some form or other, contribute to the integrity, continuance, and strength of the United States--some of us by just damned getting up out of bed every morning and going to some dorky job where a damned good portion of our income goes to supporting the military, and the government, and the "other" people (you know...those who are not worthy)... So, yeah. I asked. And, I should have known better... Kim W5TIT |
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2004, K4YZ wrote:
D. Stussy wrote: On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, bb wrote: What about "volunteer" doesn't the FCC understand? And if they're worried about their gas money, I think they can claim 31 cents per mile on their federal income tax returns for travel incurred while volunteering. WRONG: Volunteer (charitable) work only gets 14 cents per mile. You couldn't even get that correct. Direct jump to "Snide Mode". Guess you missed the part where he said "...I think"...indicating that even he wasn't sure and was acknowledging that in advance. Maybe so, but he wasn't even close. Had he said $0.12/mile, which was an OLD rate for this, I wouldn't have been as snide. |
Kim wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... Kim wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... Mike said: """Everyone is entitled to an opinion, Brian.""" Reeaally??? """We wouldn't have anywhere near as much fun if we could only give opinions on what we have personal experience in! 8^)""" Then lotsa people on RRAP owe Len Anderson an apology. I think Len owes many more apologies to other rrappers than he is owed.... When I see those apologies, I'll stop pointing out that "true blue" Jim Would that be me? has never served his country in any capacity, Not in *any* capacity? Obviously that's false. yet has availed himself to the finest education and standard of living in a system where the freedom to do so were paid for with the blood of other people's sons. Happy New Year. Can't be referring to me. "Finest education and standard of living"? So...wait just a minute. Are you saying that anyone who does not serve his country in any capacity (you'd have to define in any capacity, by the way)is not supposed to live in the United States? ***That isn't what I said, but do you argue that I'm not entitled to my own opinion?*** Anyone is entitled to their opinion, and I deny no one that. However, in general, one cannot expect to express things without discourse on them. So, if you are taking offense that I would seek clarification for what you are saying, then to add or disagree with it--then you're offense is duly noted. Well said, Kim, but also consider this: An opinion can be based on facts, or it can be based on falsehoods. It can be developed by sound reasoning, or by faulty logic. Also, the term "serve his country in any capacity" has to be defined clearly. Does it mean only uniformed military service? That would leave out a lot of people like police, firefighters, EMS. Because, in the United States Is Kim going to tell ---me--- about America??? Please allow me to assume the position. You really do seem rather argumentative. And, in my opinion (may Kim tell you about Kim, even?) to assume an argumentative (if not rather childish) position (or, perhaps that is not what you meant by "position") leads me to believe that this reply-post is an exercise in futility. Depends on your purpose, Kim. If you expect to convince "William" that he is mistaken about some things, it's probably futile. OTOH, if you want to point out his errors, express your own opinion and some facts, it's not futile at all. we--regardless of *military* service to the country or not--DO avail ourselves of whatever is available, be that a good education, a good job, a good doctor, a good teacher, a good whatever. Indeed many do. They take and they take, good whatever. Good everythig!!! Do you count yourself among those??? What in the world do you mean, "among those"? I seek good everything and anything. What do you want me to do? Strive to be a failure?! Your question is startling. There's a big difference in simply taking and paying one's way. That the freedoms we enjoy are here, because of the military service of others, is greatly appreciated by most-- Huge, huge appreciations. Yellow magnet ribbons and all.... Is your comment somewhat resentful of the ribbons, moreover the sentiment to support our troops?! Again, your startling. It should also be remembered that while military service is appreciated and praiseworthy, our country and its freedoms, wealth and way of life are not due solely to military service or military actions. Although firefighters are important, they don't build houses - they only protect them. there are those that are just plain idiots (and Jim is not one of them). If you mean me, you have my thanks, Kim. Why do you say that Jim is not? Oh, wait. Let me communicate back to you the same way you communicated to me: are you saying I am not entitled to my opinion? Hey, you opened that friggin' door, now close it. As a matteer of fact, I think Jim IS one of the idiots. Why? Oh, and here, let me demonstrate how much more human I am capable of being than you: You are entitled to your opinion about Jim--or anyone else. BUT, I do not share your opinion. And, to read your comment above without having paid attention to this thread, seems to say that anyone who doesn't meet your standards of service should just roll up and die? If you like you can read it that way. Well, I don't "like" to think that anyone would believe like that. There are those who serve their nation through military means, there are those that support them in any and every way they can; there are those who remain here at home and help their families; there are those who go to their jobs every day to keep the inner-workings (and the reason for living in such a wonderful country, by the way) moving; there are those who serve their nation politically; and, then, there are those who sponge off any opportunity, until it all dries up. Very well said, Kim. I agree 100%. For anyone to have a scholarship in this country, they had to meet criteria--set forth by the governing body of that scholarship. For anyone to have availed themselves of any oppportunity to get as top-notch an education, or as top-notch an opportunity, as they could possibly get is for them to have participated in their own destiny, rather than letting things just happen to them. I don't think you're capable of understanding where it is I would go with this...so I'll not bother. Well, I have some experience with scholarships, so let me add this: The scholarships I had for undergraduate education were based on academic achievement alone, as was my admission to the university I attended. I also had National Direct Student Loans, all of which were paid back on-time, with interest. I also worked full-time during school breaks and part-time during the school year (if you can call 35+ hours/wk "part time") in order to pay for things not covered by scholarship or loan. Graduate education funding came from two sources: my pocket and my employer, who would reimburse some of the cost of tuition *after* the course was successfully completed. Taking one graduate course at a time, the reimbursement worked out to about 40% of the tuition. Books, fees and other costs were on me. But that is not what I meant. Meanwhile, Len, who has served is supposed to roll up and die. When has anyone told Len to do that? It is Len who has told people here to "shut up", said their days are numbered, etc. Why is that??? Surely I am mistaken in my interpretation of your comment, above. Kim W5TIT To be -perfectly- clear, I think Jim is a welfare freeloader to avail hisself to the freedom to go to USA engineering schools, to avail hisself to a career in engineering, and then to comment on how bad life in America is without ***ever*** having done a Goddamned thing to risk even a split fingernail, Can't be talking about me, then. You know what? Screw your ever-loving split fingernail theory. You are one of those who seem (and note I've said "seem") to be of the opinion that only those who have served in the United States military are entitled to all the benefits of HAVING BEEN BORN in the USA. You see? That's all it takes for entitlement he being born in the USA, or becoming a US citizen (although, and here's a drift to another thread for you--if you can handle it: there are those who are NOT from this country who come over here with their little weenie green cards, suck up what they can from the United States, send it back home, and then go back home themselves...or go on to becoming a US citizen but are pretty darned slinky folks...in my opinion). Should only those with military service be allowed to express opinions? go to engineering school? vote? express opinions? all the while putting down Len Anderson who has contributed more to America than a single Jim/N2EY fingernail. How does anyone know what our relative contributions "to America" really are? Is uniformed military service the only thing that counts? Does it make everything Len writes here somehow OK? Kim, you did ask. bb Uh huh. I did ask. And, you came back with this argument initially that--paraphrasing--were you not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled. You are entitled to believe that the ground a military person walks on is sacred and that no one else is "entitled" to the same benefits from the United States as a person who has served in the military. You are entitled to believe that we don't all, in some form or other, contribute to the integrity, continuance, and strength of the United States--some of us by just damned getting up out of bed every morning and going to some dorky job where a damned good portion of our income goes to supporting the military, and the government, and the "other" people (you know...those who are not worthy)... It seems a lot of us are "not worthy". What about police, firefighters, EMS and other people who have no military service? Or doctors, nurses, and other health-care people who risk infection from incurable diseases on the job? Or plain ol' working people, with no military service, who do dangerous but essential things to keep the lights on, the water flowing, etc.? The wires on the poles didn't put themselves up there, and when there's a problem, the workers don't get to wait for a nice day to fix them. So, yeah. I asked. And, I should have known better... Kim W5TIT I'll sum it up this way: Each and every person makes some sort of contribution to a community/society, and is also a burden of some sort too. Some people give more than they take, others take more than they give. To judge someone, you need to know the sum total of what they give and take, not just one item. The person calling others "welfare freeloaders" doesn't know what he's writing about. His opinion is not based on facts, and was developed with faulty logic. Of course he's entitled to any opinion he wants. Just as people are entitled to believe that the earth is flat and/or less than 7000 years old. Or that the moon landings were staged. Or any of many other things that are simply not true. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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writes: Kim wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... Mike said: """Everyone is entitled to an opinion, Brian.""" Reeaally??? """We wouldn't have anywhere near as much fun if we could only give opinions on what we have personal experience in! 8^)""" Then lotsa people on RRAP owe Len Anderson an apology. When I see those apologies, I'll stop pointing out that "true blue" Jim has never served his country in any capacity, yet has availed himself to the finest education and standard of living in a system where the freedom to do so were paid for with the blood of other people's sons. Happy New Year. So...wait just a minute. Are you saying that anyone who does not serve his country in any capacity (you'd have to define in any capacity, by the way) is not supposed to live in the United States? ***That isn't what I said, but do you argue that I'm not entitled to my own opinion?*** Because, in the United States Is Kim going to tell ---me--- about America??? Yes, she are and has... :-) Please allow me to assume the position. That quaint service phrase may be lost on all the civilians... we--regardless of *military* service to the country or not--DO avail ourselves of whatever is available, be that a good education, a good job, a good doctor, a good teacher, a good whatever. Indeed many do. They take and they take, good whatever. Good everythig!!! Do you count yourself among those??? That the freedoms we enjoy are here, because of the military service of others, is greatly appreciated by most-- Huge, huge appreciations. Yellow magnet ribbons and all.... there are those that are just plain idiots (and Jim is not one of them). Why do you say that Jim is not? As a matteer of fact, I think Jim IS one of the idiots. Nah. Prolly has a good IQ and all that, but along the way he got mentally sidetracked on things in reality. He gots "turf disease," wherein hanging out daily in some group, being portentiously and pretensiously veddy correct in everything he say makes him a "guru"...well, at least in his own eyes. Inside, he gots a mean streak wherever someone don't think super-highly of his opinions...which are many and varied about nearly everything. And, to read your comment above without having paid attention to this thread, seems to say that anyone who doesn't meet your standards of service should just roll up and die? If you like you can read it that way. But that is not what I meant. Meanwhile, Len, who has served is supposed to roll up and die. The correct "supposeds" are "have a stroke" or "have a heart attack." The first one was wished by a claimed "health professional." Must have been one of those who took a hypocrite's oath instead of a Hippocratic one. Why is that??? Simple reason: In this venue, anyone who doesn't love, honor, and cherish morse code testing, can just go off and die. :-) Surely I am mistaken in my interpretation of your comment, above. Kim W5TIT To be -perfectly- clear, I think Jim is a welfare freeloader to avail hisself to the freedom to go to USA engineering schools, to avail hisself to a career in engineering, and then to comment on how bad life in America is without ***ever*** having done a Goddamned thing to risk even a split fingernail, all the while putting down Len Anderson who has contributed more to America than a single Jim/N2EY fingernail. Kim, you did ask. That may be a bit rough, but it is cutting close. Folkses who is full o' themselves are most especially Very Important Peoples that should never ever be harmed, lest such harm hurt their divine, noble, righteous thoughts within. Their country owes THEM a living and they need do nothing for it other than act anal-retentively lawful...and superior to others not as "gifted" as they be. You have to understand something of their motivations to see where they are coming from (mostly the fantasies of their own imaginations). If you served with the USAF in some distant land, they think that you HAD to ask the FCC for legal counsel FIRST before operating any radio there... and then they get ****ed at you for obeying your real orders from the USAF instead of them. shrug Those fine superiors in here are all, naturally, morsemen tested at high rates code cognition before the federal government. They are superior supermen and anything they say is the Absolute Truth. No one else can deny that Absolute lest they be buried in a veritable avalanche of smug superiorness of hate mail. They will LIE, cheat, maybe even steal, but whatever they do is Terribly Correct, Righteous. They are the PCTA extras. That should say it all. |
Lenof21 wrote: Those fine superiors in here are all, naturally, morsemen tested at high rates code cognition before the federal government. They are superior supermen and anything they say is the Absolute Truth. No one else can deny that Absolute lest they be buried in a veritable avalanche of smug superiorness of hate mail. They will LIE, cheat, maybe even steal, but whatever they do is Terribly Correct, Righteous. They are the PCTA extras. That should say it all. Yup, they couldn't interrupt their educations for military service, they had more important things to do. Then they put down those who did serve, then who then spent many years in night school to finally get their education completed. They talk and talk and talk about their service to their country, but never say what that service entailed. Who's that climbing the antenna mount? Why, it's Rev Jim. Hi! Get ready for another sermon. |
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