Lenof21 wrote:

In article . net, robert casey
writes:

Thus Len should have enough smarts to handle the amateur
writtens, up to extra. And spend a few weeks to learn 5wpm code,
and he could get the ham license. Otherwise he's an amateur
troll... :-)

Everyone seems to be of the fixed mindset (imaginary department)
that I am desiring to obtain an amateur radio license. Not true.

Your story changes from month-to-month and year-to-year. Sometimes you
have no interest in obtaining an amateur radio license. At other times
you've indicated a decades-long interest in amateur radio. It can't be
both ways.

My continuing advocacy is simply the removal of the morse code
test requirement for any FCC-issued radio operator license.

There aren't many services for which a morse exam is required, are
there?
Has anyone requested your services as an advocate?

Since removal or retention of that morse code test element falls
under the radio amateur POLICY subject matter, I am here for
such advocacy...as well as in other venues.

Nearly all individual correspondents in here are heavily focussed
on their own personal experiences and viewpoints (as well as
emphasizing their own alleged "expertise," aka bragging points).
They have difficulty in the concept of debate on a SUBJECT rather
than personality fights involving denigrating personalities who
don't agree with them.

What I've seen from you, Leonard, is that your focus is based upon your
personal experiences and viewpoints. You seem to emphasize your own
alleged "expertise" (aka bragging points). You have difficulty debating
rather than engaging in the denigration of those who don't agree with
you.
Maybe you're thin-skinned.

Debating a SUBJECT rather than the personalities of the debaters
should not normally be difficult. Unfortunately, the rather extreme
polarization of individuals with thin emotional skins tends to destroy
debates, rendering them to mere personality fights that are all too
common in here.

What's an "emotional skin"?

I am not shy on expressing displeasure at the countless personal
attacks posted here in "response" from polarized individuals who
abhor anyone with opinions differing from theirs.

No, you seem always to have strewn rose petals in the path of those
whose opinion differs from yours. :-)

As a semi-
professional writer in addition to being a professional electronics
design engineer (of some experience in radio communications of
many kinds)...

Is this some of your "alleged expertise"?

...my replies to such biased, personally-insulting
individuals is a rather easy task.

You don't make it look easy.

Such provides a bit of personal
"entertainment" as well...

I find your attempts entertaining, Leonard.

...if I abhor anything it is the rigid mindset
of the extremely polarized self-righteous individuals who cannot
tolerate (ever) any opinion other than their own. :-)

Have you ever expressed tolerance for the code testing opinions of those
who do not agree with you? :-)

Well over two decades ago I became an advocate of elimination of
the morse code test for a license.

The world loves an uninvolved, self-appointed advocate.

Not for myself, despite how
"strange" that may appear to nearly everyone else.

....and there is near unanimity that it appears strange for you to be
advocating change in something in which you are uninvolved.

It is a SUBJECT
which can stand on its own.

Then why, pray tell, does it need assistance from you?

That's not so among what seems to be
the majority of radio amateurs in here. :-) By all the millions of
words posted by all, especially those long-time licensees of the morse
persuasion, there is NO debate. All shall continue for newcomers
as it did for those old-timers when they entered amateur radio long
ago.

That is simply false. When most of us passed the Extra exam, the code
exam speed was 20 wpm. Now the speed is 5 wpm. The old entry level
exam speed was 5 wpm. There is currently an entry level exam with no
morse exam.

Those same individuals want to squelch debate fully off and
misdirect all message content with perjorative postings on personalities
of their "opponents." They have an imaginary territorial imperative
that must be protected at all costs.

....and you've never, ever made pejorative (not perjorative) postings on
personalities, eh Leonard?

An example of the misdirection into personal pejoratives are nearly
all the postings of "K4YZ" in here. Case in point: My description
of the operations of the then-3rd-largest Army radio station in
ACAN a half century ago. I did that to illustrate the "plain, simple
fact" that the U.S. military did NOT plan on using morse code
mode for fixed, point-to-point long-distance message handling back
a half century ago. Such messaging made up the overwhelming
bulk of military "traffic" worldwide at those times...as it does now.
But now such "traffic" is found on DSN terminals which rarely use
any HF radio for network linking.

That's all misdirection. Radio amateurs aren't part of the Army, nor do
they handle bulk message traffic. What has any of that to do with
amateur radio?

"K4YZ" lacked such military radio communications experience,
despite serving considerably longer than I did. He was ignorant of
military communications history and even modern small-unit radio
communications of today.

What has any of that to do with amateur radio?

He tried to misdirect my statements as
personal bragging, trying to lie about military occupation specialty,
and a host of other ugly statements, all of which was a number of
lies originated by him. Not even close to debate, just a lot of
meaningless personal insults from him.

He tried to misdirect your misdirecting statements about what the Army
did a half-century ago? To set the record straight, Steve just insulted
you? You never insulted him, his jobs, his military service?


Emergency comms is listed as one of several reasons the FCC
does ham radio licenses and allocates the bandwidth for us.

The FCC does not allocate bandwidth for "emergency comms"
in amateur radio other than the Alaskan emergency frequency.

You're wrong, though I'm not surprised. The FCC has allocated specific
frequencies for hurricane traffic or other emergencies any number of
times. In 1983, the Commission authorized specific stations to conduct
communications between an amateur station on Grenada and both State
Department the U.S. military on 14.351 MHz outside the 20m amateur
band. I was one of 'em.



No all hams will have working equipment in a regional
disaster, but some will. And ham radio doesn't require
infrastructure (like cell phones do) to work.

Careful. That is starting to drift off into the usual emotional fantasy
wish-fulfillment kind of thing that so many do. Think a moment.

Police agencies, fire departments, medical installations do not
have direct tie-ins with amateur radio. Neither do utility
companies, transport industries, contractor businesses and all
other entities which are DIRECTLY affected with emergencies.
Military and National Guard units have a nebulous tie-in through
MARS, but MARS frequencies are just outside ham bands. The
military has adequate communications means on its own and can
cope with large local and regional emergency aid. Yes, all those
agencies can be contacted by telephone...but the telephone is
part of the existing non-amateur infrastructure. :-)

:-) indeed. The Marshall County WV ARES comm van is equipped with
amateur radio and county police/fire/medical/SAR radio equipment. ARES
members have been trained in the use of the equipment and have been
authorized to use it. The ARES group is funded by the county and is
counted upon by the county.

Dave K8MN