In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Jeffrey Herman wrote:

robert casey wrote:

Yes, and hams can handle that low priority stuff to offload
the more important communications links. "I took care of
the mundane boring stuff so the heroes could save the lives"...

Our last hurricane (1992) was a direct hit upon the island of
Kauai. All normal comms between Kauai County and the rest of the
state were wiped out. The ONLY comms between the governor here
in Honolulu and the mayor of Kauai was via amateur radio. Not
only H&W traffic was passed, but more importantly, safety of
life traffic, too.

Amateur radio is part of each county's emergency plan to the point
where ham stations are set up in each police and fire station.
Licensing exams are given regularly to police and firemen. Also,
every hospital has a station.

The state thinks so highly of amateur radio that our statewide
repeater system rides on the state-owned microwave backbone
which connects each county (island).

So, when normal communications go down, all the counties (islands)
of state are neatly tied together via ham radio.

And yet that seems so hard for some peope to grasp.

Tsk. Some grasp at straws. Especially the strawmen.

First of all, a search fails to turn up ANY evidence that "all normal
comms" were disabled on any island of Hawaii in 1992. Note: That
search includes the words 'normal communications.'

Searching on the Hawaii state government web information turns up
thousands of interesting bits of information on Hawaii, its police and
fire departments (some quite detailed, nice photos, etc.), laws in
process, various agencies, school system, and so forth. So much so
that it became unproductive to check out each search hit to verify the
items of Lecturer Herman's statements.

There is NO mention found that "policemen and firemen" are all given
examinations IN amateur radio nor that amateur radio equipment is
set up in each police and fire station. If that were so widespread as
claimed, then each department would have featured that on their
web pages, included it in law proceeding remarks/comments, and so
forth. There's nothing from the Administration side of Hawaii government
to indicate that happening. Not all hospitals are available on the web
but the statement that "ALL hospitals have ham stations" is a bit over
the top.

I'm open to some evidence other than the usual RACES propaganda
to verify any of this "university lecturer's" claims. The state of Hawaii
is
not a small one; it is important, a focus point for our Asian neighbors in
the Pacific. Hawaii is generally considered "remote" by mainlanders
and therefore those who wish to embellish a few truths seem to think
they can get away with it, of not being checked out. Like some other
fraternal order propaganda, telling folks what they want to hear will
dissuade them from finding out it it is truth or not.

The state of Hawaii has an Interstate Highway System. It is fudging the
truth a bit to claim one can drive that system to any other state...without
another means to span part of the Pacific Ocean. I would suppose that
a junior college instructor could call themselves a "part of the University
of
Hawaii system" and that they "lecture on mathematics" if they hold
classes under that instructor. But, the same "mathematics lecturer"
(on the scale of Roger Penrose?) once claimed that the ARRL Amateur's
Handbook was on a "bestseller" listing in the USA...and the American
Bookseller's Association (ABA) couldn't verify that at all. :-)

Folks, we are getting into a huge embellishment project here with all these
straw structures. In other venues it would be called LYING. In here it is
apparently an Orwellian kind of Newspeak.

Len Over 21 wrote:

Folks, we are getting into a huge embellishment project here with
all these
straw structures. In other venues it would be called LYING. In
here it is
apparently an Orwellian kind of Newspeak.

The ONLY thing "Orwellian" here is the idea that YOU represent any
kind of honest, trustworthy or otherwise reputable point of view.

There's a LIAR here, alright, and it's Leonard H. Anderson. His
mistruths and deceit are well documented in Google.

I'll give you this, Lennie...For a putz that routinely
"embellished" his Army "career" with the sacrifices made by soldiers
who died 3 years before you were ever inducted, you certainly have some
huge cajones accusing others of "embellishment".

Face it, Lennie...As long as you continue to lie, deceive and
misrepresent the facts, you will have your nose rubbed in your misdeeds
in this forum.

You are not honest.
You are not trustworthy.

And THAT'S a fact.

Steve, K4YZ

Len Over 21 wrote:
The state of Hawaii has an Interstate Highway System. It is fudging the
truth a bit to claim one can drive that system to any other state...without
another means to span part of the Pacific Ocean.

It's paid for with federal funds, thus it's part of the federal interstate
highway system. It's no different from Interstate 405 in California: It
begins in LA and ends in San Diego -- it never leaves the state yet it's
yet it's still an "interstate."

I would suppose that a junior college instructor could call themselves
a "part of the University of
Hawaii system" and that they "lecture on mathematics" if they hold
classes under that instructor.

The semester begin tomorrow -- I'll be teaching a calculus class at the
university campus (which is not a "junior college"), 8:30-9:20 MWF,
Keller Hall room 403. The class is full but I'll let you register,
if you think you can handle the class.

But, the same "mathematics lecturer"
(on the scale of Roger Penrose?) once claimed that the ARRL Amateur's
Handbook was on a "bestseller" listing in the USA...and the American
Bookseller's Association (ABA) couldn't verify that at all. :-)

Go back and read my complete post, paying attention to the phrase
"...technical best seller."

Folks, we are getting into a huge embellishment project here with all these
straw structures. In other venues it would be called LYING. In here it is
apparently an Orwellian kind of Newspeak.

Accusing me of lying? Are you sure you want to commit libel?

No 73 for you,
Jeff KH6O
--
Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard
Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System

"Jeffrey Herman" wrote in message
...

:
: Accusing me of lying? Are you sure you want to commit libel?
:

According to Funk et Wagnall's, something about "grossly unflattering
utterance". OK I can commit that. Watch this.

JEFFREY IS AN IDIOT!

Now all the idiots will sue me for libel.

Barnabus Grumwitch Overbyte sends

In article , (Jeffrey Herman)
writes:


It's paid for with federal funds, thus it's part of the federal interstate
highway system. It's no different from Interstate 405 in California: It
begins in LA and ends in San Diego -- it never leaves the state yet it's
yet it's still an "interstate."

Ooooo...going to lecture me about my local geography? :-)

Try Interstate FIVE as an illustration...begins at the Canadian border
goes all the way south through Washington, Oregon, California, ends
at the Mexican border. Over a kilomile long, takes two days to drive
at lawful speeds. Been there, done that, many times.

Gee, if I wanted a LECTURE on highways, I'd go to the AAA website
of my local auto club office...they give out free maps to us members.


The semester begin tomorrow -- I'll be teaching a calculus class at the
university campus (which is not a "junior college"), 8:30-9:20 MWF,
Keller Hall room 403. The class is full but I'll let you register,
if you think you can handle the class.

Oh, wow.... (a big Ben Stein "wowwww....")

So awfully nice of you, Mr. Petty Chief Ossifer. I'll just go on down to
the nearest ATM, withdraw a few thousand, cross the I-5 over to
Bob Hope Airport and fly over to the Islands...JUST...for the "pleasure"
of hearing you "lecture" on The Calculus! Oh frabjous joy...


Go back and read my complete post, paying attention to the phrase
"...technical best seller."

Go for it! "TECHNICAL" best seller! What year? And who was the
compiler of that gem of information? [was it a bookstore in Newington?]
You might try the ABA or some other book industry associations first
to verify some nonsense claim. Or take off your blinders. Whichever
is easiest.

I've only been USING technical books since 1960 and my first job
assignment as an electronics engineer responsible for new design.
The Green Bible, the Blue Bible, Millman & Taub, Henney, Petersen
and Weldon, Floyd Gardner, lots of names which are very familiar
in my small 30+ foot total length personal bookshelf right above the
immediate computer desk here. Since I already write for money
and know several authors (who work at that full time) plus book
store owners-managers, I have some acquaintenceship with the
professional book associations. Now, if you wish to LECTURE me
on "best sellers" of anything, I will invite you to pass gas on a
shuttle flight ("go take a flying fart") between islands.

===

I think you ought to get back to verifying the claim that the Islands
have ham stations at every police and fire station...or whatever you
wrote. [if you also "lecture" in English, somebody rated you wrong]

You might remind the state government to update their web pages
to show those gems of information...or is that "sensitive" info
for certain people's eyes only? :-)

Riiiight...I can just see a Billion-dollar tourist industry "relying" on ham
radio in Times of Troubles to keep their many lines of communications
going during all those natural disasters that beset the Islands all the
time. Riiiight...and there's no military on the Islands other than the
USCG...not even the USARPAC with their Army callsign ADA. :-)


Accusing me of lying? Are you sure you want to commit libel?

Accuse a MATHEMATICS LECTURER of lying? Heavens no!

Let's just say you don' know no bettah, blalah. :-)

I wouldn't do such terrible things to a kind soul who got a Rhode
Island ham his own "FCC mailing address" in Hawaii.

By the way, how is Mike Deignan? Still busy with all those "ham
clubs" he had callsigns for?

Don't take any wooden pineapples...

Len Over 21 wrote:

Don't take any wooden pineapples...



You crack me up; wooden pineapples...

Have you ever seen those rediculous giant fork and spoon carvings from
the PI?

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , (Jeffrey Herman)
writes:

It's paid for with federal funds, thus it's part of the federal interstate
highway system. It's no different from Interstate 405 in California: It
begins in LA and ends in San Diego -- it never leaves the state yet it's
yet it's still an "interstate."

Ooooo...going to lecture me about my local geography? :-)

Well, you didn't seem to know about how how things worked.

Try Interstate FIVE as an illustration...begins at the Canadian border
goes all the way south through Washington, Oregon, California, ends
at the Mexican border. Over a kilomile long, takes two days to drive
at lawful speeds. Been there, done that, many times.

The point was about a part of the Interstate highway system which never
leaves a particular state.

Gee, if I wanted a LECTURE on highways, I'd go to the AAA website
of my local auto club office...they give out free maps to us members.

You don't want to get one; you want to give one.


Go for it! "TECHNICAL" best seller! What year? And who was the
compiler of that gem of information? [was it a bookstore in Newington?]
You might try the ABA or some other book industry associations first
to verify some nonsense claim. Or take off your blinders. Whichever
is easiest.

Do you have any information to the contrary, Leonard, or are you just
blowing smoke?

I've only been USING technical books since 1960 and my first job
assignment as an electronics engineer responsible for new design.

To quote you, "Why must you always live in the past"?

The Green Bible, the Blue Bible, Millman & Taub, Henney, Petersen
and Weldon, Floyd Gardner, lots of names which are very familiar
in my small 30+ foot total length personal bookshelf right above the
immediate computer desk here. Since I already write for money
and know several authors (who work at that full time) plus book
store owners-managers, I have some acquaintenceship with the
professional book associations. Now, if you wish to LECTURE me
on "best sellers" of anything, I will invite you to pass gas on a
shuttle flight ("go take a flying fart") between islands.

So because you have a shelf full of books and since you've written for
money, Jeffrey's claim can't possibly be true. Does that sum it up?
I am happy to hear that you have a personal bookshelf though.

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , (Jeffrey
Herman)
writes:

It's paid for with federal funds, thus it's part of the federal
interstate
highway system. It's no different from Interstate 405 in California: It
begins in LA and ends in San Diego -- it never leaves the state yet
it's
yet it's still an "interstate."

Ooooo...going to lecture me about my local geography? :-)

Well, you didn't seem to know about how how things worked.



I think there's a difference in highways; as in "intrastate" and
"interstate." I believe it's intrastate if it stays inside the boundary of
a state and "interstate" if it goes outside the boundary of a state.

Kim W5TIT

I think there's a difference in highways; as in "intrastate" and
"interstate." I believe it's intrastate if it stays inside the boundary of
a state and "interstate" if it goes outside the boundary of a state.

Kim W5TIT



It's more to do with who funded the construction of
what highway. The Interstates were federally funded
(about 90%, 10% by the state that whatever interstate
highway is in). Before the Interstates were built,
long distance driving was a real PITA. That the
Dept of Defense partially funded the Interstates so
they would be able to get convoys of troops and stuff
to somewhere. Intersections with local roads were
designed so if a bridge was bombed, traffic could
still get thru (go on the off ramp and then across
the local road and back on on the on ramp).

Railroads worked well in WWII, but our mainland
for the most part wasn't bombed. Take out a railroad
bridge and things get bottled up for a while.

robert casey wrote:

Before the Interstates were built,
long distance driving was a real PITA.

So I've been told.

That the
Dept of Defense partially funded the Interstates so
they would be able to get convoys of troops and stuff
to somewhere. Intersections with local roads were
designed so if a bridge was bombed, traffic could
still get thru (go on the off ramp and then across
the local road and back on on the on ramp).

Whole bunch of factors involved, like the Autobahns in Germany
and the success of toll roads like the Pennsylvania Turnpike.

Eisenhower was a big proponent of the interstate highway system.

There was also the concerted effort of the automakers, oil and
rubber companies, and even the concrete industry to get more
Americans to own and drive cars and trucks. They went so far
as to intentionally buy up and destroy transit systems (such
as the Pacific Electric in the Los Angeles area) so that
people would drive cars.

Railroads worked well in WWII, but our mainland
for the most part wasn't bombed. Take out a railroad
bridge and things get bottled up for a while.

Bombing bridges, particularly narrow ones like most RR spans,
is singularly difficult without special weapons. Highway bridges
are at least as vulnerable as RR bridges to such attacks.
73 de Jim, N2EY