Leonard and "bb" refuted
 

"THE HINDU India's National Newspaper
Thursday, Dec 30, 2004
Hams lend a helping hand.
Amateur ham radio enthusiasts are playing an unusual but important role
in tsunami relief work, reports SHONALI MUTHALALY
When four amateur radio operators headed to the Andaman and Nicobar
islands a few weeks ago, armed with only basic equipment, backpacks and
sun blocks, they had no idea that their fun hobby would soon become the
islands' only lifeline.
"They went because it's a `high value' country for hams (amateur radio
operators) since you need special permission from the Government to
operate there," says Gopal Madhavan, an avid ham and one of the members
of the governing council of the Amateur Radio Society of India. "The
last time a ham operated in the Andamans was about 25 years ago."
The team, which came from across India, left Chennai on December 3 on
their `DXpedition' (basically ham slang for an expedition to any foreign
country). "They met here for a cup of tea before they left... There was
a great amount of enthusiasm," says Gopal, carefully tuning his buzzing
radio, alive with their voices crackling all the way from the islands.
"They went to Port Blair, set up the equipment — all DXpeditions carry
radios and dismantled antennas, which can be set up later with guy
ropes — and contacted about 35,000 hams across the world."
Then, the earthquake began, followed by tidal waves, which swept over
the small islands.
"They were actually in operation when the tremors began. Bharthi, the
team leader, was talking to an Australian on the radio. He says her
voice suddenly rose by a few octaves and she yelled `tremor'. Then, her
radio went dead."
The islands were devastated by the quake and crashing waves. Phones
died, the electricity went out and life in Andaman and Nicobar came to a
stunned halt. On the airwaves too, there was a loud silence, as hams
across the world held their breath, wondering whether the team had
survived. However, about two hours later, unbelievably, they were back
on the air.
"Every other form of communication was down. They were the only link
from the Andamans to the mainland for several hours after the disaster,"
says Gopal, adding that the tsunamis had engulfed the island, paralysing
all machinery and communication systems. The ham radio however, which
was operating from a tower, was in working order, although the team did
have to scavenge for batteries to get it operating again since it had
been running on electricity.
In the tradition of hams, the team stayed on to help, the DXpedition was
converted into an emergency network and hams from across the world,
especially India, swung into action. Two more people headed to the
islands to support the emergency network, and with help from the Indian
Army, which is providing the hams with food, camping and batteries, the
station on Port Blair continues to operate, while another station has
been set up at Car Nicobar, which has been practically obliterated by
the catastrophe."

Dave K8MN

Dave, you'll kindly explain the refutation. And here's your chance to
go on a dxpedition where your skills would be highly valued. But
there's an element of personal danger involved, so nevermind.
Sayonara, bb

bb wrote:

Dave, you'll kindly explain the refutation. And here's your chance to
go on a dxpedition where your skills would be highly valued. But
there's an element of personal danger involved, so nevermind.
Sayonara, bb

Don't be coy, "bb". Tell us about how all the cell phones don't stop
functioning. Tell us about amateur radio's role in an emergency. I
want to hear once again about how all of the infrastructure is never
destroyed.
The story I posted is in direct conflict with the song sung by you and
your newsgroup mentor.

Dave K8MN

Dave,

Do not bother replying to this clown. He is trolling. I kinda feel
sorry for him anyway, he probably has no hobbies, no culture and likely
no life to speak of.

Lloyd

"""Don't be coy, "bb". Tell us about how all the cell phones don't stop
functioning."""

They don't? Ever???

"""Tell us about amateur radio's role in an emergency."""

They should do whatever they can with whatever they've got.

"""I want to hear once again about how all of the infrastructure is
never
destroyed."""

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Why do you say, "never?"

"""The story I posted is in direct conflict with the song sung by you
and
your newsgroup mentor."""

Dave K8MN

Sorry, David, but I'm not very musical. I did sing "RockyRaccoon" once
after ingesting some bad branch water. I feel much better now.

Interesting. Dave trolls, and bb is accused of trolling. Gotta love
the way things work on RRAP.

In article . com, "bb"
writes:

Interesting. Dave trolls, and bb is accused of trolling. Gotta love
the way things work on RRAP.

Brian, this newsgroup be DIFFERENT than any other newsgroup.

Everything gets redefined into what the PCTA extras want. It's
"their" hang-out, "their" little chat room where everything and
anything NOT involving morse code can be talked about, solved,
and all those against the morse code test can be defamed and
denigrated at their pleasure.

The PCTA extras are "superior." They get angry into hissy-fits
when some of us don't kiss their divine I/O ports.



Posted on 16 Jan 05.

In article . com, "bb"
writes:

"""Don't be coy, "bb". Tell us about how all the cell phones don't stop
functioning."""

They don't? Ever???

Herr Kommandant lives in an on-off world, either key down or key up.
He can't seem to negotiate understanding the in-between. :-)


"""Tell us about amateur radio's role in an emergency."""

They should do whatever they can with whatever they've got.

Correct. That would be logical.

However, das Kommandant bin a morseman for four decades
and can't understand that the amateurs "will" take over when
the government-commercial infrastructure fails in an emergency.
Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

"""I want to hear once again about how all of the infrastructure is
never destroyed."""

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Why do you say, "never?"

Der Kommandant ich bin ****ed, he troll and troll his boot but
all his bouyancy tanks are flooded.

"""The story I posted is in direct conflict with the song sung by you
and
your newsgroup mentor."""

Dave K8MN

Sorry, David, but I'm not very musical. I did sing "RockyRaccoon" once
after ingesting some bad branch water. I feel much better now.

Der Kommandant wants to be Daddy Warbucks and have everyone
sing "Tomorrow" from the musical "Annie."

Unfortunately, the sun DID come out, and many years before. But,
struggling to work Frenchmen out of band, he was too busy to
notice.

Und zo, kleine newsgroupies, der Kommandant keeps snarling
black for white all the time as if he were In Charge. He has NO
verification that all amateurs can do as the ARRL states that all
amateurs do, hasn't claimed he has done it hisself, and therefore
tries to shift gears in his own shiftless way by going to extremes.

It's the usual old, tired bull**** by the PCTA extras: Attack the
messenger when they can't send a reply on the subject.



Posted on 16 Jan 05

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article . com,
"bb"
writes:

Interesting. Dave trolls, and bb is accused of trolling. Gotta
love
the way things work on RRAP.

Brian, this newsgroup be DIFFERENT than any other newsgroup.

No kidding.

Everything gets redefined into what the PCTA extras want. It's
"their" hang-out, "their"

No, no. "Thier."

little chat room where everything and
anything NOT involving morse code can be talked about, solved,
and all those against the morse code test can be defamed and
denigrated at their pleasure.

Yep, they all want to be geographers, weathermen, and spacemen.

The PCTA extras are "superior." They get angry into hissy-fits
when some of us don't kiss their divine I/O ports.

It's so sad.

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article . com,
"bb"
writes:

"""Don't be coy, "bb". Tell us about how all the cell phones don't
stop
functioning."""

They don't? Ever???

Herr Kommandant lives in an on-off world, either key down or key
up.
He can't seem to negotiate understanding the in-between. :-)

Yet they obsess over being able to decipher the information contained
in the spaces.

"""Tell us about amateur radio's role in an emergency."""

They should do whatever they can with whatever they've got.

Correct. That would be logical.

However, das Kommandant bin a morseman for four decades
and can't understand that the amateurs "will" take over when
the government-commercial infrastructure fails in an emergency.
Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

If they're awake.

"""I want to hear once again about how all of the infrastructure is
never destroyed."""

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Why do you say, "never?"

Der Kommandant ich bin ****ed, he troll and troll his boot but
all his bouyancy tanks are flooded.

He boot get muddy. Muss wear patent leather jackboot.

"""The story I posted is in direct conflict with the song sung by
you
and
your newsgroup mentor."""

Dave K8MN

Sorry, David, but I'm not very musical. I did sing "RockyRaccoon"
once
after ingesting some bad branch water. I feel much better now.

Der Kommandant wants to be Daddy Warbucks and have everyone
sing "Tomorrow" from the musical "Annie."

He can want.

Unfortunately, the sun DID come out, and many years before. But,
struggling to work Frenchmen out of band, he was too busy to
notice.

"CQ out of band Frenchmen, CQ out of band Frenchmen, CQ out of band
Frenchmen, this is K8MN, K8MN, K8MN listening on 6 Meters."

Und zo, kleine newsgroupies, der Kommandant keeps snarling
black for white all the time as if he were In Charge. He has NO
verification that all amateurs can do as the ARRL states that all
amateurs do, hasn't claimed he has done it hisself, and therefore
tries to shift gears in his own shiftless way by going to
extremes.

Still ****ed about not being able to rack up 40,000 qso's while in
vietnam.

It's the usual old, tired bull**** by the PCTA extras: Attack the
messenger when they can't send a reply on the subject.



Posted on 16 Jan 05

Miccolis is ignoring the messenger.

In article . com, "bb"
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article . com,
"bb"
writes:

Interesting. Dave trolls, and bb is accused of trolling. Gotta
love
the way things work on RRAP.

Brian, this newsgroup be DIFFERENT than any other newsgroup.

No kidding.

Yes...[he said, stating the obvious]...this newsgroup is still stuck
in the 1920s-1930s time warp of the "skilled radio operator" era
when the "skilled" were skilled in morsemanship.

Everything gets redefined into what the PCTA extras want. It's
"their" hang-out, "their"

No, no. "Thier."

Ooops, my bad. :-) [I should have included their spelling skill
in writing "amatuer" too...]

little chat room where everything and
anything NOT involving morse code can be talked about, solved,
and all those against the morse code test can be defamed and
denigrated at their pleasure.

Yep, they all want to be geographers, weathermen, and spacemen.

They are SO skilled in everything they talk about OUTSIDE of
radio subjects... :-)

The PCTA extras are "superior." They get angry into hissy-fits
when some of us don't kiss their divine I/O ports.

It's so sad.

True enough. Grown men (apparently, at least physically) gettting
all wound up and hissy-fitting about how they are such vital
assets to the nation because they are morsemen. Sometimes
I think of their actions as "asset-retentive." :-)

Tsk. FCC better keep that code test in the regulations or they will
"destroy" amateur radio!



Posted on 16 Jan 05

Lenof21 wrote:
In article . com,
"bb"
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article . com,
"bb"
writes:

Interesting. Dave trolls, and bb is accused of trolling. Gotta
love
the way things work on RRAP.

Brian, this newsgroup be DIFFERENT than any other newsgroup.

No kidding.

Yes...[he said, stating the obvious]...this newsgroup is still
stuck
in the 1920s-1930s time warp of the "skilled radio operator" era
when the "skilled" were skilled in morsemanship.

No, he refuted, [pointing out the MORE obvious]...The ONLY person in
thbis forum who is "stuck" ANYwhere is Lennie the Liar H. Anderson.

He's the ONLY person (unlicensed, at that) who continues to cite
ANY regulations past 1991.

Everything gets redefined into what the PCTA extras want. It's
"their" hang-out, "their"

No, no. "Thier."

Ooops, my bad. :-) [I should have included their spelling skill
in writing "amatuer" too...]

Hey, Mr "focussed", YOU have no business pointing out ANYone's
typos.

little chat room where everything and
anything NOT involving morse code can be talked about, solved,
and all those against the morse code test can be defamed and
denigrated at their pleasure.

Yep, they all want to be geographers, weathermen, and spacemen.

They are SO skilled in everything they talk about OUTSIDE of
radio subjects...

Sorry, Lennie, as you are so fond of pointing out (when it's
convienient to YOU to do so...) this IS and UNMODERATED newsgroup.

The PCTA extras are "superior." They get angry into hissy-fits
when some of us don't kiss their divine I/O ports.

It's so sad.

True enough. Grown men (apparently, at least physically) gettting
all wound up and hissy-fitting about how they are such vital
assets to the nation because they are morsemen. Sometimes
I think of their actions as "asset-retentive."

No one here cites their morse skills as "vital assets", Lennie.

Tsk. FCC better keep that code test in the regulations or they
will
"destroy" amateur radio!

Only people like YOU can do that, Lennie, and people like ME will
do thier best to keep scum like you from doing it.

Steve, K4YZ

In article .com, "bb"
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article . com,
"bb"
writes:

"""Don't be coy, "bb". Tell us about how all the cell phones don't stop
functioning."""

They don't? Ever???

Herr Kommandant lives in an on-off world, either key down or key up.
He can't seem to negotiate understanding the in-between. :-)

Yet they obsess over being able to decipher the information contained
in the spaces.

Perhaps they hear things that aren't there?


"""Tell us about amateur radio's role in an emergency."""

They should do whatever they can with whatever they've got.

Correct. That would be logical.

However, das Kommandant bin a morseman for four decades
and can't understand that the amateurs "will" take over when
the government-commercial infrastructure fails in an emergency.
Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

If they're awake.

:-)


"""I want to hear once again about how all of the infrastructure is
never destroyed."""

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Why do you say, "never?"

Der Kommandant ich bin ****ed, he troll and troll his boot but
all his bouyancy tanks are flooded.

He boot get muddy. Muss wear patent leather jackboot.

Well, that too. I was thinking more on the order of "Das Boot"
as in U-Boot (German pronunciation is very close to the English
"boat"). He be trolling under water.




"""The story I posted is in direct conflict with the song sung by you
and
your newsgroup mentor."""

Dave K8MN

Sorry, David, but I'm not very musical. I did sing "RockyRaccoon" once
after ingesting some bad branch water. I feel much better now.

Der Kommandant wants to be Daddy Warbucks and have everyone
sing "Tomorrow" from the musical "Annie."

He can want.

No need. He IS. :-)


Unfortunately, the sun DID come out, and many years before. But,
struggling to work Frenchmen out of band, he was too busy to
notice.

"CQ out of band Frenchmen, CQ out of band Frenchmen, CQ out of band
Frenchmen, this is K8MN, K8MN, K8MN listening on 6 Meters."

Und zo, kleine newsgroupies, der Kommandant keeps snarling
black for white all the time as if he were In Charge. He has NO
verification that all amateurs can do as the ARRL states that all
amateurs do, hasn't claimed he has done it hisself, and therefore
tries to shift gears in his own shiftless way by going to extremes.

Still ****ed about not being able to rack up 40,000 qso's while in
vietnam.

Really? Who was he "racking" with over there?


It's the usual old, tired bull**** by the PCTA extras: Attack the
messenger when they can't send a reply on the subject.



Posted on 16 Jan 05

Miccolis is ignoring the messenger.

Nah. J.P. puts on his habit from time to time and tries to strike
knuckles with her ruler. Doesn't hit anything but the desktop but
the slapping sound gets irritating.

J.P. must be very busy "serving his country" in those "other ways."

Salute.



Posted on 17 Jan 05

bb wrote:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article . com,

"bb"

writes:


Interesting. Dave trolls, and bb is accused of trolling. Gotta

love

the way things work on RRAP.

Brian, this newsgroup be DIFFERENT than any other newsgroup.


No kidding.


Everything gets redefined into what the PCTA extras want. It's
"their" hang-out, "their"


No, no. "Thier."


little chat room where everything and
anything NOT involving morse code can be talked about, solved,
and all those against the morse code test can be defamed and
denigrated at their pleasure.


Yep, they all want to be geographers, weathermen, and spacemen.

I do NOT want to be a weatherman. The other two would be nice though.

The PCTA extras are "superior." They get angry into hissy-fits
when some of us don't kiss their divine I/O ports.

Only time I ever got angry in here was when Brian (W3RV) caught me in a
weak moment.

It's so sad.

Life is that way some times!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article . com, "bb"
writes:

Brian, this newsgroup be DIFFERENT than any other newsgroup.

You may be gaining some insight, Leonard. If this newsgroup wasn't
different from any other newsgroup, there'd be no need to have more than
one newsgroup.

Everything gets redefined into what the PCTA extras want. It's
"their" hang-out, "their" little chat room where everything and
anything NOT involving morse code can be talked about, solved,
and all those against the morse code test can be defamed and
denigrated at their pleasure.

You're leaving something out: It is a place where you can hang out,
rant endlessly on something in which you play no part and snipe at
amateur radio and radio amateurs.

The PCTA extras are "superior."

It probably just seems that way to a guy with an inferiority complex.

They get angry into hissy-fits
when some of us don't kiss their divine I/O ports.

I don't even know where my divine I/O port is.



Posted on 16 Jan 05.

It's a shame about all the problems there in the Anderson home comm
center.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article . com, "bb"
writes:

"""Don't be coy, "bb". Tell us about how all the cell phones don't stop
functioning."""

They don't? Ever???

Herr Kommandant lives in an on-off world, either key down or key up.
He can't seem to negotiate understanding the in-between. :-)

Herr Kommandant? Godwin invoked. You lose.
You certainly haven't described me. As one who enjoys playing music,
particularly blues and jazz, I'm quite at home with flatted notes. I
can also tell the subtle differences in a variety of prigs.

"""Tell us about amateur radio's role in an emergency."""

They should do whatever they can with whatever they've got.

Correct. That would be logical.

Quite right, Spock.

However, das Kommandant bin a morseman for four decades
and can't understand that the amateurs "will" take over when
the government-commercial infrastructure fails in an emergency.

Are you certain that the above reads the way you intended?

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to fail.
All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.

"""I want to hear once again about how all of the infrastructure is
never destroyed."""

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Why do you say, "never?"

Der Kommandant ich bin ****ed, he troll and troll his boot but
all his bouyancy tanks are flooded.

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean, Leonard.

"""The story I posted is in direct conflict with the song sung by you
and
your newsgroup mentor."""

Dave K8MN

Sorry, David, but I'm not very musical. I did sing "RockyRaccoon" once
after ingesting some bad branch water. I feel much better now.

Der Kommandant wants to be Daddy Warbucks and have everyone
sing "Tomorrow" from the musical "Annie."

Unfortunately, the sun DID come out, and many years before. But,
struggling to work Frenchmen out of band, he was too busy to
notice.

Und zo, kleine newsgroupies, der Kommandant keeps snarling
black for white all the time as if he were In Charge. He has NO
verification that all amateurs can do as the ARRL states that all
amateurs do, hasn't claimed he has done it hisself, and therefore
tries to shift gears in his own shiftless way by going to extremes.

Is this your attempt to appear demented?

It's the usual old, tired bull**** by the PCTA extras: Attack the
messenger when they can't send a reply on the subject.

Excuse me, Leonard, but it certainly looks as if that is precisely what
you have done. My words to "bb" were about a subject. You have drifted
off on a sea of German phrases.

Dave K8MN

bb wrote:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article . com,
"bb"
writes:

He boot get muddy. Muss wear patent leather jackboot.

"CQ out of band Frenchmen, CQ out of band Frenchmen, CQ out of band
Frenchmen, this is K8MN, K8MN, K8MN listening on 6 Meters."

Still ****ed about not being able to rack up 40,000 qso's while in
vietnam.

Miccolis is ignoring the messenger.

You don't come off as being rational of late, "bb".

Dave K8MN

Lenof21 wrote:

In article . com, "bb"
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article . com,
"bb"
writes:


True enough. Grown men (apparently, at least physically) gettting
all wound up and hissy-fitting about how they are such vital
assets to the nation because they are morsemen. Sometimes
I think of their actions as "asset-retentive." :-)

Don't be surprised, Len. I've seen grown men obsess over things in
which they are not even involved, spending countless hours of their
lives bellowing over issues involving areas in which they aren't even
participants; things which don't effect them in the least. Go figure!

Dave K8MN

Lenof21 wrote:

In article .com, "bb"
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article . com,
"bb"
writes:

Perhaps they hear things that aren't there?

Perhaps you just don't hear the things which are there.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article . com, "bb"
writes:


"""Don't be coy, "bb". Tell us about how all the cell phones don't stop
functioning."""

They don't? Ever???

Herr Kommandant lives in an on-off world, either key down or key up.
He can't seem to negotiate understanding the in-between. :-)


Herr Kommandant? Godwin invoked. You lose.
You certainly haven't described me. As one who enjoys playing music,
particularly blues and jazz, I'm quite at home with flatted notes. I
can also tell the subtle differences in a variety of prigs.


"""Tell us about amateur radio's role in an emergency."""

They should do whatever they can with whatever they've got.

Correct. That would be logical.


Quite right, Spock.


However, das Kommandant bin a morseman for four decades
and can't understand that the amateurs "will" take over when
the government-commercial infrastructure fails in an emergency.


Are you certain that the above reads the way you intended?


Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)


Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to fail.
All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.


"""I want to hear once again about how all of the infrastructure is
never destroyed."""

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Why do you say, "never?"

Der Kommandant ich bin ****ed, he troll and troll his boot but
all his bouyancy tanks are flooded.


I have no idea what that is supposed to mean, Leonard.


"""The story I posted is in direct conflict with the song sung by you
and
your newsgroup mentor."""

Dave K8MN

Sorry, David, but I'm not very musical. I did sing "RockyRaccoon" once
after ingesting some bad branch water. I feel much better now.

Der Kommandant wants to be Daddy Warbucks and have everyone
sing "Tomorrow" from the musical "Annie."

Unfortunately, the sun DID come out, and many years before. But,
struggling to work Frenchmen out of band, he was too busy to
notice.

Und zo, kleine newsgroupies, der Kommandant keeps snarling
black for white all the time as if he were In Charge. He has NO
verification that all amateurs can do as the ARRL states that all
amateurs do, hasn't claimed he has done it hisself, and therefore
tries to shift gears in his own shiftless way by going to extremes.


Is this your attempt to appear demented?

Occasionally I get some spam mail that kind of reads like that..


It's the usual old, tired bull**** by the PCTA extras: Attack the
messenger when they can't send a reply on the subject.

WoW! I would never have expected to see that statement tacked onto the
end of a vicious personal attack!


Excuse me, Leonard, but it certainly looks as if that is precisely what
you have done. My words to "bb" were about a subject. You have drifted
off on a sea of German phrases.

If I did't know better, I would say that Len doesn't like you very
much......

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article . com,
"bb"
writes:


"""Don't be coy, "bb". Tell us about how all the cell phones don't
stop
functioning."""

They don't? Ever???

Herr Kommandant lives in an on-off world, either key down or key
up.
He can't seem to negotiate understanding the in-between. :-)


Herr Kommandant? Godwin invoked. You lose.
You certainly haven't described me. As one who enjoys playing
music,
particularly blues and jazz, I'm quite at home with flatted notes.
I
can also tell the subtle differences in a variety of prigs.


"""Tell us about amateur radio's role in an emergency."""

They should do whatever they can with whatever they've got.

Correct. That would be logical.


Quite right, Spock.


However, das Kommandant bin a morseman for four decades
and can't understand that the amateurs "will" take over when
the government-commercial infrastructure fails in an emergency.


Are you certain that the above reads the way you intended?


Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)


Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to
fail.
All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.


"""I want to hear once again about how all of the infrastructure
is
never destroyed."""

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Why do you say, "never?"

Der Kommandant ich bin ****ed, he troll and troll his boot but
all his bouyancy tanks are flooded.


I have no idea what that is supposed to mean, Leonard.


"""The story I posted is in direct conflict with the song sung by
you
and
your newsgroup mentor."""

Dave K8MN

Sorry, David, but I'm not very musical. I did sing "RockyRaccoon"
once
after ingesting some bad branch water. I feel much better now.

Der Kommandant wants to be Daddy Warbucks and have everyone
sing "Tomorrow" from the musical "Annie."

Unfortunately, the sun DID come out, and many years before.
But,
struggling to work Frenchmen out of band, he was too busy to
notice.

Und zo, kleine newsgroupies, der Kommandant keeps snarling
black for white all the time as if he were In Charge. He has NO
verification that all amateurs can do as the ARRL states that
all
amateurs do, hasn't claimed he has done it hisself, and
therefore
tries to shift gears in his own shiftless way by going to
extremes.


Is this your attempt to appear demented?

Occasionally I get some spam mail that kind of reads like that..


It's the usual old, tired bull**** by the PCTA extras: Attack
the
messenger when they can't send a reply on the subject.

WoW! I would never have expected to see that statement tacked onto
the
end of a vicious personal attack!

I don't know WHY you wouldn't expect it, Mike!

Lennie's whole schtick is about being able to be a victim.

His whole career has been about being second place. Even when
he's been at the ehad of his class, he's attacked any and all arond him
as being "against" him. That's why he's never been at the head of the
class for long. That's why his only "professional" writings were in an
Amateur Radio journal.

Excuse me, Leonard, but it certainly looks as if that is precisely
what
you have done. My words to "bb" were about a subject. You have
drifted
off on a sea of German phrases.

And pseudo-German at that. It's Lennie's way of inferring that we
are Nazis, Brownshirts, etc etc etc. He's said as much before.

If I did't know better, I would say that Len doesn't like you very
much......

Lennie doesn't like anyone, Mike, and that INCLUDES Lennie. He
has no dignity or self-respect. A man that did wouldn't allow himself
to be so readily made a fool of over and over and over again. But he
DOES, and that alone speaks volumes of the character (or should I say
LACK of character) of the person.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article . com, "bb"
writes:



Brian, this newsgroup be DIFFERENT than any other newsgroup.


You may be gaining some insight, Leonard. If this newsgroup wasn't
different from any other newsgroup, there'd be no need to have more than
one newsgroup.


Everything gets redefined into what the PCTA extras want. It's
"their" hang-out, "their" little chat room where everything and
anything NOT involving morse code can be talked about, solved,
and all those against the morse code test can be defamed and
denigrated at their pleasure.


You're leaving something out: It is a place where you can hang out,
rant endlessly on something in which you play no part and snipe at
amateur radio and radio amateurs.


The PCTA extras are "superior."


It probably just seems that way to a guy with an inferiority complex.


They get angry into hissy-fits
when some of us don't kiss their divine I/O ports.


I don't even know where my divine I/O port is.

If it is what I think it is, I got news for everyone. Mine is output
only! ;^)

- Mike KB3EIA

Dave Heil wrote:
Lenof21 wrote:

In article . com,
"bb"
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article
. com,
"bb"
writes:


True enough. Grown men (apparently, at least physically)
gettting
all wound up and hissy-fitting about how they are such vital
assets to the nation because they are morsemen. Sometimes
I think of their actions as "asset-retentive." :-)

Don't be surprised, Len. I've seen grown men obsess over things in
which they are not even involved, spending countless hours of their
lives bellowing over issues involving areas in which they aren't even
participants; things which don't effect them in the least. Go
figure!

WHOA!

I thought that loud noise I heard was a sonic boom, but it was
Dave's hammer hitting Lennie's nail square on the head! Heard it all
the way in Tennessee!

Nice job!

73

Steve, K4YZ

I guess it's funnier when Mark Morgan does it.

bb wrote:
I guess it's funnier when Mark Morgan does it.

Brian, we are going to have to get you to learn how to quote the
person you are replying to on the new Google.

Your "replies", without some sort of background as to their intent
and purpose, are meaningless.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote:
Lenof21 wrote:

In article . com,
"bb"
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article
. com,
"bb"
writes:


True enough. Grown men (apparently, at least physically)
gettting
all wound up and hissy-fitting about how they are such vital
assets to the nation because they are morsemen. Sometimes
I think of their actions as "asset-retentive." :-)

Don't be surprised, Len. I've seen grown men obsess over things in
which they are not even involved, spending countless hours of their
lives bellowing over issues involving areas in which they aren't even
participants; things which don't effect them in the least. Go
figure!

Dave K8MN

s/b "affect"

I've always enjoyed reading how someone else's callsign affects
Miccolis. Makes him do strange things.

"""
Brian, we are going to have to get you to learn how to quote the
person you are replying to on the new Google.

Your "replies", without some sort of background as to their intent
and purpose, are meaningless.

73

Steve, K4YZ
"""

Steve, I am able to view the thread as a "tree" in google. When doing
so it becomes painfully obvious who is responding to whom. Besides,
most of what is posted here is meaningless.

tnx, bb

bb wrote:
"""
Brian, we are going to have to get you to learn how to quote the
person you are replying to on the new Google.

Your "replies", without some sort of background as to their intent
and purpose, are meaningless.

73

Steve, K4YZ
"""

Steve, I am able to view the thread as a "tree" in google. When
doing
so it becomes painfully obvious who is responding to whom. Besides,
most of what is posted here is meaningless.

Meaningless or not, it's still a bit confusing to tell who's
responding to who/what/why, etc.

I found the way...I find that when you first sign in and "repond"
to a post in Google, it shows the responded-to post. However if you
try to go directly to another repsonse, it won't do it.

I just hit the "sign out" link, then re-enter...A bit laborious,
but it allows others to see in what context I am responding. Even when
it's meaningless! =)

73

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
"""
Brian, we are going to have to get you to learn how to quote the
person you are replying to on the new Google.

Your "replies", without some sort of background as to their intent
and purpose, are meaningless.

73

Steve, K4YZ
"""

Steve, I am able to view the thread as a "tree" in google. When
doing
so it becomes painfully obvious who is responding to whom.
Besides,
most of what is posted here is meaningless.

Meaningless or not, it's still a bit confusing to tell who's
responding to who/what/why, etc.

I found the way...I find that when you first sign in and "repond"
to a post in Google, it shows the responded-to post. However if you
try to go directly to another repsonse, it won't do it.

I just hit the "sign out" link, then re-enter...A bit laborious,
but it allows others to see in what context I am responding. Even
when
it's meaningless! =)

73

Steve, K4YZ

Each posting in google has a "reply" button below it. Using this reply
button doesn't quote text. Above in the header is a "show options"
button. When I invoke the options, there is an identical "reply"
button. This reply does quote text, but I don't always remember to go
there first.

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
"""
Brian, we are going to have to get you to learn how to quote the
person you are replying to on the new Google.

Your "replies", without some sort of background as to their
intent
and purpose, are meaningless.

73

Steve, K4YZ
"""

Steve, I am able to view the thread as a "tree" in google. When
doing
so it becomes painfully obvious who is responding to whom.
Besides,
most of what is posted here is meaningless.

Meaningless or not, it's still a bit confusing to tell who's
responding to who/what/why, etc.

I found the way...I find that when you first sign in and "repond"
to a post in Google, it shows the responded-to post. However if
you
try to go directly to another repsonse, it won't do it.

I just hit the "sign out" link, then re-enter...A bit laborious,
but it allows others to see in what context I am responding. Even
when
it's meaningless! =)

73

Steve, K4YZ

Each posting in google has a "reply" button below it. Using this
reply
button doesn't quote text. Above in the header is a "show options"
button. When I invoke the options, there is an identical "reply"
button. This reply does quote text, but I don't always remember to
go
there first.

I do! That's why anyone who cares to follow doesn't have to go
find the flow tree to keep up with the conversation.

73

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...
:
: bb wrote:
: K4YZ wrote:
: bb wrote:
: """
: Brian, we are going to have to get you to learn how to quote the
: person you are replying to on the new Google.
:
: Your "replies", without some sort of background as to their
: intent
: and purpose, are meaningless.
:
: 73
:
: Steve, K4YZ
: """
:
: Steve, I am able to view the thread as a "tree" in google. When
: doing
: so it becomes painfully obvious who is responding to whom.
: Besides,
: most of what is posted here is meaningless.
:
: Meaningless or not, it's still a bit confusing to tell who's
: responding to who/what/why, etc.
:
: I found the way...I find that when you first sign in and "repond"
: to a post in Google, it shows the responded-to post. However if
: you
: try to go directly to another repsonse, it won't do it.
:
: I just hit the "sign out" link, then re-enter...A bit laborious,
: but it allows others to see in what context I am responding. Even
: when
: it's meaningless! =)
:
: 73
:
: Steve, K4YZ
:
: Each posting in google has a "reply" button below it. Using this
: reply
: button doesn't quote text. Above in the header is a "show options"
: button. When I invoke the options, there is an identical "reply"
: button. This reply does quote text, but I don't always remember to
: go
: there first.
:
: I do! That's why anyone who cares to follow doesn't have to go
: find the flow tree to keep up with the conversation.
:
: 73
:
: Steve, K4YZ
:

What conversation?

M.A.N.
--
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord,
make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."
- Voltaire

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital HF
networks moving their financial data around.

All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.

Dave K8MN

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm. The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are phone
lines. That's like what happens in my local grocery from time to time.
The phone lines are down and the store can't sell West Virginia lottery
tickets. People are told to come back later when the line is up.

All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm. The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.

I can understand your confusion, Brian. The power lines carry
electricity. The telephone lines carry telephone conversations. The gas
lines carry natural gas. Did you have any further questions?

Dave K8MN

"bb" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital HF
networks moving their financial data around.

All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.

Dave K8MN

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm. The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.


Not when you know that wired phone systems and designs are so old fashioned
that they get their power through the telephone line itself rather than the
power distribution grid and that many of the phone companies still have
their emergency generators to supply power when the power grid does go down.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:57:04 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are phone
lines.

My guess is that their mainframe stuff uses buried fiber optic
circuits. In 1988 I got the nickel tour of the then-new Union
Pacific Railroad Control Center in Omaha. The Comm chief actually
showed me where two circuits emerged on two sides of the building,
one running via St. Louis and the other running via Kansas City. In
vital data circuits, redundancy is the name of the game.

I can understand your confusion, Brian. The power lines carry
electricity. The telephone lines carry telephone conversations. The gas
lines carry natural gas.

Ah!! Good point.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Phil Kane wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:57:04 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via
phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are
phone
lines.

My guess is that their mainframe stuff uses buried fiber optic
circuits. In 1988 I got the nickel tour of the then-new Union
Pacific Railroad Control Center in Omaha. The Comm chief actually
showed me where two circuits emerged on two sides of the building,
one running via St. Louis and the other running via Kansas City.
In
vital data circuits, redundancy is the name of the game.
But Dave says they're likely to fail.

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to
fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't.

A radio circuit is as likely to fail, or more so. It is also subject
to interference and interception.

I'm guessing that their data moves via phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are
phone
lines. That's like what happens in my local grocery from time to
time.
The phone lines are down and the store can't sell West Virginia
lottery
tickets. People are told to come back later when the line is up.

They just want repeat customers.

All cellular phones interface to wire lines at some point.

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm.
The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.

I can understand your confusion, Brian. The power lines carry
electricity. The telephone lines carry telephone conversations. The
gas
lines carry natural gas. Did you have any further questions?

Dave K8MN

As a matter of fact, if the downed trees cause power failures, and the
telephone lines are on the same poles and are downed, why does one have
phone service but no power?

bb wrote:

Phil Kane wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:57:04 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't. I'm guessing that their data moves via
phone
lines. If the phone lines aren't there, it'll move when there are
phone
lines.

My guess is that their mainframe stuff uses buried fiber optic
circuits. In 1988 I got the nickel tour of the then-new Union
Pacific Railroad Control Center in Omaha. The Comm chief actually
showed me where two circuits emerged on two sides of the building,
one running via St. Louis and the other running via Kansas City.
In
vital data circuits, redundancy is the name of the game.
But Dave says they're likely to fail.

I have? I don't recall ever considering that radio amateurs would
attempt to pass financial data for bands in time of emergency.

It looks as if you're still confused.

Dave K8MN

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

Some say that the infrastructure "always" fails. :-)

Hardwired communications infrastructure is much more likely to
fail.

Hi! I'm sure the Chase and Bank One have switched over to digital
HF
networks moving their financial data around.

You think so? I don't.

A radio circuit is as likely to fail, or more so.

Explain how that might be, given that one needs wires or, as Phil Kane
pointed out, fiber optic line.

It is also subject
to interference and interception.

And?

My wired phones worked just fine during the Christmas ice storm.
The
adjacent wires carrying power didn't. It's all so confusing.

I can understand your confusion, Brian. The power lines carry
electricity. The telephone lines carry telephone conversations. The
gas
lines carry natural gas. Did you have any further questions?

As a matter of fact, if the downed trees cause power failures, and the
telephone lines are on the same poles and are downed, why does one have
phone service but no power?

I suppose you'll have to take that up with your power company and
telephone company, Brian. I'd have to care more about your personal
situation to spend any time researching it for you.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

Did you have any further questions?

As a matter of fact, if the downed trees cause power failures, and
the
telephone lines are on the same poles and are downed, why does one
have
phone service but no power?

I suppose you'll have to take that up with your power company and
telephone company, Brian. I'd have to care more about your personal
situation to spend any time researching it for you.

Dave K8MN

Then your offer to answer further questions was disingenuous. Much
like the rest of your coments.