"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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Todd Daugherty wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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Todd Daugherty wrote:

Content Control
I had recently started broadcasting my N9OGL Show on 28.555 MHz at
9.00
pm
CST. On my first broadcast I talked about content control in the
amateur
radio service. Amateur Radio is on the eve of dying;

You've provided no evidence that amateur radio is dying.

Ham radio in about 10 to 15 years will be dead because technology and
the
free flow of content will surpass amateur radio.

You've still provided no evidence that amateur radio is dying, Todd.

Well Dave where or should I say what do you see amateur's doing in 10 to
15??? Me, I think if ham radio is still around it will be the same old
boring **** that has been going on these last 20 to 25 years. Here's
something to think about why should someone get a ham license when you can
talk all over the world on the internet? Why will amateur radio die? because
technology is passing ham radio up and I know you old ham operator don't
want it hear it. But the reality is ham radio is getting to the point were
it is no longer really needed.

No matter what you might think that's a reality.

It does matter what I think. You've still provided no evidence to
support your claim.

Like I said why should someone spend the time and money to talk to some
moron on the radio when they can do it on the internet??? If you were go on
the streets and ask people what would they do. Get a ham license or get on
the internet the majority would say internet. No matter how easy the FCC
makes the licensing process ham radio will not continue to grow unless
changes are made. Those changes are technology, and content .


Amateurs seem to believe that amateur radio should
be the idle dribble we call amateur radio.

For God's sake, Todd, the word is "drivel" and I don't see your
"broadcast" as being better stuff.

You've never hear my broadcast therefor you can't justify that statement.

For amateur radio to grow
amateurs are going to have to change. Amateur radio has to look at the
future and not the short term future.

So the future is that we should all become micro-broadcasters on dead
bands?

No, and I information bulletins are legal

The reason it's dying
isn't because the lack of amateurs in the service. No the reason
it's
dying
is content control. Amateur radio is dying because amateur's are
under
the
belief that the FCC can control the content of an amateur station.

No one from the FCC has stopped by to tell me that the content of my
amateur radio station is under investigation. Since I've come back to
the U.S., the content of my amateur radio station has been steadily
increasing. Even my XYL has given up on trying to control the
content.


Not yet anyway.....but the FCC has gone after or discourage people for
their
content in the past. ME, K1MAN, the Liberty Net just to name a few.

So, we're not discussing the content of an amateur radio station but of
the content of individuals? What do you, K1MAN and the Liberty Net
contain? Seriously, Todd, I think that if the FCC is going after you,
K1MAN and the Liberty Net, it is doing something right.

Well, like I've stated before perhaps W1AW should be shut down too.

As a
matter of fact Mr. Hollingsworth of the FCC wanted me to let him
know
when I
was going on the air so he QSL me. The QSL he's talking about is in
the
form
of a warning letter, a C&D, NOV, or a NOF. Section 326 of the
Communication
Act of 1934 is a statue that prohibits the FCC from controlling the
content
of ANY radio stations. It also prohibits the FCC from creating rules
and
regulations which would suppress free speech on the radio.

There are any number of things which can "control" your right to free
speech. There are regulatory things, like the fact that amateur radio
isn't a broadcast service and like the fact the Commission has
obscenity
regs. You can't say things which will incite panic. Your civil right
to free speech becomes abridged where it infringes upon the rights of
another. You seemed to have missed those facts.

The FCC of course
under other rules and regulations can regulate obscene and indecent
material. Now there are many out there including the ARRL who
believe
that
this rule doesn't apply to amateur radio.

Let me get this straight--You think that the ARRL believes the FCC has
no power to regulate obscene and indecent speech? You surely can't
believe that.

That was a misprint which I'm planning to fix.

It seems to be a misstatement shrouded in a misprint.

There are many in the ARRL
which believes that Free Speech doesn't apply to amateur radio.

Are you speaking of Directors? staffers? members? Who in the ARRL who
don't believe such?

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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:11:04 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:



I hear all this crap about K1MAN violating the FCC rules but the FCC
violates their own rules..

Sec. 326. - Censorship


Nothing in this chapter shall be understood or construed to give the
Commission the power of censorship over the radio communications or signals
transmitted by any radio station, and no regulation or condition shall be
promulgated or fixed by the Commission which shall interfere with the right
of free speech by means of radio communication



(a) it's not an FCC rule and is open to court interpretation.

(b) look up the case law based on that section and see why there is
no "free speech" right in an amateur license.


--
Phil Kane

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Nor, the
statue that forbids the FCC from controlling content of ANY radio and
forbids the FCC from making any statue or regulation which supress
speech
apply to amateur radio.

Todd, the word you are searching for is "statute", not "statue". I
don't believe that there is a statute forbidding the FCC to control
obscenity, indecency any other misuse of your amateur radio station.

It of course is not true, this
statue along with all the other sections of the Communication Act
apply
in
one shape or another to amateur radio and the FCC.

Now you're saying that the FCC has oversight for regulating obscenity
and indency propagated BY the FCC? Where does the "statue" come into
play?

No, the point I was trying to make which like I said will be fixed on
the
website. The point I was making is that there are some in the ARRL that
believe that certain statues don't apply to amateur radio but they in
reality they do.

"Statute", Todd and I disagree with you.


The problem is
the ARRL, their members and the FCC which tries to suppress or
control
the
content.

So the ARRL and their running dog members are in collusion with the
FCC
to control content?

Again the there are some in the ARRL that believes that the FCC can
control
the content of amateur radio stations.

I'll assume that you mean the content of transmissions from an amateur
radio station. Those in the ARRL who believe that the FCC can control
the content of transmissions are correct.

So I'm broadcasting in an amateur band at night when it's not in
use. Big fricking deal at lease I using it.

I "using" it too. Truck drivers are sometimes using it too. Did you
realize that broadcasting is prohibited by radio amateurs whether it
is
during the day or during the night. Did you realize that the 10m band
during solar maxima can be open all night to various parts of the
world? Did you know that there are propagation modes in which 10m can
open during the night over a distance even during periods of solar
minima?

First off my "broadcast" are programs directed towards the amateurs
radio
community.

If they're "broadcasts", it doesn't matter.

The problem with information bulletin and broadcasts is the grey line
between them.


10 meters with the solor maxima at it peak around here begins
closing down around 9 to 10 PM.

Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the band is open
round the clock. That really doesn't matter. You can't broadcast any
time.

I mean so what if broadcasting
information to the amateur radio community which may be a small
value to
the
Amateurs.

If broadcasting by radio amateurs is illegal and of small value, why
do
it?


Information bulletin are not illegal.

I didn't write anything about informational bulletins. I wrote
"broadcasting" which is a term you have used.

Any information no matter how
important to one person may be of small or little vaule to another
person.

No kidding!

So what if I'm on there for a hour and half voice my opinion about
problems and issues in amateur radio.

The "so what" has already been addressed. Are you trying to get your
license yanked?

Again information bulletin are not illegal. The problem is the idea that
the
public doesn't listen to amateur radio.

Not much of the public is listening to amateur radio. Almost no one is
listening to 10m when the band is closed.

Not true there are a lot of the public listening to amateur radio, more then
what you think. I picked that band so not to cause harmful interference or
have some licensed CB Operator aka ham operator claiming they were on
frequency and I was causing interference.


So although Information bulletins
are directed towards the amateur radio community the public does listen.

And?

There is a gray line there.

There is?

Very much so.

At lease I have a opinion and I'm not
some drone of the ARRL who believes everything the ARRL says.

I'm a life member of the ARRL and I don't believe in everything done
by
the ARRL. Then again, I don't broadcast my views on the ham bands.
Do
you think the ARRL will do anything differently based upon your
illegal
broadcasts?

Why won't you broadcast your view??

...because I'm not permitted to broadcast. I value my amateur license.

are you for content control??

Yes, most assuredly.

There is
one thing many amateur have to remember...Amateur radio is a hobby.

I think "many amateur" remember that.

Someone
who takes their hobby to serious has no real life.

...and someone who doesn't take his hobby seriously has no real hobby.
Many things have been done in a half-assed manner because the doer's
attitude is, "it's only a hobby".

W1AW is "broadcasting" so if I should stop so should they.

So, you equate the value of what you are doing to what W1AW is doing?

Sure

That's the
reason I'm broadcasting to voice my opinion's about issues in
amateur
radio,
to let people hear what I'm thinking instead of that idle dribble we
call
ham radio.

That's the spirit, Todd. Give Mr. Hollingsworth all the ammunition he
needs for yanking that license. Amateur radio needs more guys like
you.
No more "idle dribble"!

And with you and the ARRL by his side Free Speech will be supressed.

Suppressed? I don't think so. Controlled? Yes. What is it that you
don't feel you can do on the air as a ham, Todd? Is it that you can't
use potty language, or that you can't make money or that you can't play
music?

I don't use obscene and indecent material on the air nor do I play music or
make money.

I'm a strong believer in free speech and I believe there are
problems in amateur radio and feel my voice needs to be heard.

So why are you broadcasting on a dead band?

I'm "broadcasting" on a dead band so not to cause harmful interference.

Your pilot light seems a little dim, Todd.

Todd N9OGL

Dave K8MN