Content Control
I had recently started broadcasting my N9OGL Show on 28.555 MHz at 9.00 pm
CST. On my first broadcast I talked about content control in the amateur
radio service. Amateur Radio is on the eve of dying; The reason it's dying
isn't because the lack of amateurs in the service. No the reason it's dying
is content control. Amateur radio is dying because amateur's are under the
belief that the FCC can control the content of an amateur station. As a
matter of fact Mr. Hollingsworth of the FCC wanted me to let him know when I
was going on the air so he QSL me. The QSL he's talking about is in the form
of a warning letter, a C&D, NOV, or a NOF. Section 326 of the Communication
Act of 1934 is a statue that prohibits the FCC from controlling the content
of ANY radio stations. It also prohibits the FCC from creating rules and
regulations which would suppress free speech on the radio. The FCC of course
under other rules and regulations can regulate obscene and indecent
material. Now there are many out there including the ARRL who believe that
this rule doesn't apply to amateur radio. It of course is not true, this
statue along with all the other sections of the Communication Act apply in
one shape or another to amateur radio and the FCC. Let me enlighten you on a
little history that starts in the 1980's. In the 1980's and 1990's packet
radio was a big thing. Let me tell you when I first got into amateur radio I
thought packet was neat. I mean I would stay up all night and play on packet
till the sun came up and then head off to work. This of course was in
1991-1992 when I had first gotten my license. But, there was one thing I
noticed; I had gotten into the local BBS system to read the latest messages
and then I went through the network and got into the BBS over in Australia
and guess what? It was the same crap. Many people believe think packet radio
died from the speed in reality packet died because of the content. The same
will happen eventually to amateur radio. I mean who would spend the time and
money on getting a ham license when every thing a amateur radio operator can
do a person can do on the internet. I mean don't get me wrong talking all
over the world on the radio is neat and all; but you can also do that on the
internet. I mean would a average person spend the time and money to get a
ham license to talk on the radio to give their name, location, power output,
antenna height, and weather report to some smock over seas or get on the
internet where content control isn't a problem. I guess what I'm getting at
is for amateur radio to really grow amateurs must get rid of this idea of
content control. Because what's really going to happen is their going to
loose to technologies which don't have that restriction. For Amateur radio
to grow, Amateur's are going to have to adapt to new idea's. The problem is
the ARRL, their members and the FCC which tries to suppress or control the
content. So I'm broadcasting in an amateur band at night when it's not in
use. Big fricking deal at lease I using it. I mean so what if broadcasting
information to the amateur radio community which may be a small value to the
Amateurs. So what if I'm on there for a hour and half voice my opinion about
problems and issues in amateur radio. At lease I have a opinion and I'm not
some drone of the ARRL who believes everything the ARRL says. That's the
reason I'm broadcasting to voice my opinion's about issues in amateur radio,
to let people hear what I'm thinking instead of that idle dribble we call
ham radio. I'm a strong believer in free speech and I believe there are
problems in amateur radio and feel my voice needs to be heard.
Todd N9OGL

Todd Daugherty wrote:

Content Control
I had recently started broadcasting my N9OGL Show on 28.555 MHz at 9.00 pm
CST. On my first broadcast I talked about content control in the amateur
radio service. Amateur Radio is on the eve of dying;

You've provided no evidence that amateur radio is dying.

The reason it's dying
isn't because the lack of amateurs in the service. No the reason it's dying
is content control. Amateur radio is dying because amateur's are under the
belief that the FCC can control the content of an amateur station.

No one from the FCC has stopped by to tell me that the content of my
amateur radio station is under investigation. Since I've come back to
the U.S., the content of my amateur radio station has been steadily
increasing. Even my XYL has given up on trying to control the content.


As a
matter of fact Mr. Hollingsworth of the FCC wanted me to let him know when I
was going on the air so he QSL me. The QSL he's talking about is in the form
of a warning letter, a C&D, NOV, or a NOF. Section 326 of the Communication
Act of 1934 is a statue that prohibits the FCC from controlling the content
of ANY radio stations. It also prohibits the FCC from creating rules and
regulations which would suppress free speech on the radio.

There are any number of things which can "control" your right to free
speech. There are regulatory things, like the fact that amateur radio
isn't a broadcast service and like the fact the Commission has obscenity
regs. You can't say things which will incite panic. Your civil right
to free speech becomes abridged where it infringes upon the rights of
another. You seemed to have missed those facts.

The FCC of course
under other rules and regulations can regulate obscene and indecent
material. Now there are many out there including the ARRL who believe that
this rule doesn't apply to amateur radio.

Let me get this straight--You think that the ARRL believes the FCC has
no power to regulate obscene and indecent speech? You surely can't
believe that.

It of course is not true, this
statue along with all the other sections of the Communication Act apply in
one shape or another to amateur radio and the FCC.

Now you're saying that the FCC has oversight for regulating obscenity
and indency propagated BY the FCC? Where does the "statue" come into
play?

(snip)

For Amateur radio
to grow, Amateur's are going to have to adapt to new idea's.

Those apostrophes are tricky, huh?

The problem is
the ARRL, their members and the FCC which tries to suppress or control the
content.

So the ARRL and their running dog members are in collusion with the FCC
to control content?

So I'm broadcasting in an amateur band at night when it's not in
use. Big fricking deal at lease I using it.

I "using" it too. Truck drivers are sometimes using it too. Did you
realize that broadcasting is prohibited by radio amateurs whether it is
during the day or during the night. Did you realize that the 10m band
during solar maxima can be open all night to various parts of the
world? Did you know that there are propagation modes in which 10m can
open during the night over a distance even during periods of solar
minima?

I mean so what if broadcasting
information to the amateur radio community which may be a small value to the
Amateurs.

If broadcasting by radio amateurs is illegal and of small value, why do
it?

So what if I'm on there for a hour and half voice my opinion about
problems and issues in amateur radio.

The "so what" has already been addressed. Are you trying to get your
license yanked?

At lease I have a opinion and I'm not
some drone of the ARRL who believes everything the ARRL says.

I'm a life member of the ARRL and I don't believe in everything done by
the ARRL. Then again, I don't broadcast my views on the ham bands. Do
you think the ARRL will do anything differently based upon your illegal
broadcasts?

That's the
reason I'm broadcasting to voice my opinion's about issues in amateur radio,
to let people hear what I'm thinking instead of that idle dribble we call
ham radio.

That's the spirit, Todd. Give Mr. Hollingsworth all the ammunition he
needs for yanking that license. Amateur radio needs more guys like you.
No more "idle dribble"!

I'm a strong believer in free speech and I believe there are
problems in amateur radio and feel my voice needs to be heard.

So why are you broadcasting on a dead band?

Dave K8MN
"If Todd broadcasts on a dead band, is there a sound?"

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Todd Daugherty wrote:

Content Control
I had recently started broadcasting my N9OGL Show on 28.555 MHz at 9.00
pm
CST. On my first broadcast I talked about content control in the amateur
radio service. Amateur Radio is on the eve of dying;

You've provided no evidence that amateur radio is dying.

Ham radio in about 10 to 15 years will be dead because technology and the
free flow of content will surpass amateur radio. No matter what you might
think that's a reality. Amateurs seem to believe that amateur radio should
be the idle dribble we call amateur radio. For amateur radio to grow
amateurs are going to have to change. Amateur radio has to look at the
future and not the short term future.

The reason it's dying
isn't because the lack of amateurs in the service. No the reason it's
dying
is content control. Amateur radio is dying because amateur's are under
the
belief that the FCC can control the content of an amateur station.

No one from the FCC has stopped by to tell me that the content of my
amateur radio station is under investigation. Since I've come back to
the U.S., the content of my amateur radio station has been steadily
increasing. Even my XYL has given up on trying to control the content.


Not yet anyway.....but the FCC has gone after or discourage people for their
content in the past. ME, K1MAN, the Liberty Net just to name a few.


As a
matter of fact Mr. Hollingsworth of the FCC wanted me to let him know
when I
was going on the air so he QSL me. The QSL he's talking about is in the
form
of a warning letter, a C&D, NOV, or a NOF. Section 326 of the
Communication
Act of 1934 is a statue that prohibits the FCC from controlling the
content
of ANY radio stations. It also prohibits the FCC from creating rules and
regulations which would suppress free speech on the radio.

There are any number of things which can "control" your right to free
speech. There are regulatory things, like the fact that amateur radio
isn't a broadcast service and like the fact the Commission has obscenity
regs. You can't say things which will incite panic. Your civil right
to free speech becomes abridged where it infringes upon the rights of
another. You seemed to have missed those facts.


The FCC of course
under other rules and regulations can regulate obscene and indecent
material. Now there are many out there including the ARRL who believe
that
this rule doesn't apply to amateur radio.

Let me get this straight--You think that the ARRL believes the FCC has
no power to regulate obscene and indecent speech? You surely can't
believe that.

That was a misprint which I'm planning to fix. There are many in the ARRL
which believes that Free Speech doesn't apply to amateur radio. Nor, the
statue that forbids the FCC from controlling content of ANY radio and
forbids the FCC from making any statue or regulation which supress speech
apply to amateur radio.
..
It of course is not true, this
statue along with all the other sections of the Communication Act apply
in
one shape or another to amateur radio and the FCC.

Now you're saying that the FCC has oversight for regulating obscenity
and indency propagated BY the FCC? Where does the "statue" come into
play?

No, the point I was trying to make which like I said will be fixed on the
website. The point I was making is that there are some in the ARRL that
believe that certain statues don't apply to amateur radio but they in
reality they do.

(snip)

For Amateur radio
to grow, Amateur's are going to have to adapt to new idea's.

Those apostrophes are tricky, huh?

The problem is
the ARRL, their members and the FCC which tries to suppress or control
the
content.

So the ARRL and their running dog members are in collusion with the FCC
to control content?

Again the there are some in the ARRL that believes that the FCC can control
the content of amateur radio stations.

So I'm broadcasting in an amateur band at night when it's not in
use. Big fricking deal at lease I using it.

I "using" it too. Truck drivers are sometimes using it too. Did you
realize that broadcasting is prohibited by radio amateurs whether it is
during the day or during the night. Did you realize that the 10m band
during solar maxima can be open all night to various parts of the
world? Did you know that there are propagation modes in which 10m can
open during the night over a distance even during periods of solar
minima?

First off my "broadcast" are programs directed towards the amateurs radio
community. 10 meters with the solor maxima at it peak around here begins
closing down around 9 to 10 PM.
I mean so what if broadcasting
information to the amateur radio community which may be a small value to
the
Amateurs.

If broadcasting by radio amateurs is illegal and of small value, why do
it?


Information bulletin are not illegal. Any information no matter how
important to one person may be of small or little vaule to another person.

So what if I'm on there for a hour and half voice my opinion about
problems and issues in amateur radio.

The "so what" has already been addressed. Are you trying to get your
license yanked?

Again information bulletin are not illegal. The problem is the idea that the
public doesn't listen to amateur radio. So although Information bulletins
are directed towards the amateur radio community the public does listen.
There is a gray line there.

At lease I have a opinion and I'm not
some drone of the ARRL who believes everything the ARRL says.

I'm a life member of the ARRL and I don't believe in everything done by
the ARRL. Then again, I don't broadcast my views on the ham bands. Do
you think the ARRL will do anything differently based upon your illegal
broadcasts?

Why won't you broadcast your view?? are you for content control?? There is
one thing many amateur have to remember...Amateur radio is a hobby. Someone
who takes their hobby to serious has no real life.W1AW is "broadcasting" so
if I should stop so should they.

That's the
reason I'm broadcasting to voice my opinion's about issues in amateur
radio,
to let people hear what I'm thinking instead of that idle dribble we
call
ham radio.

That's the spirit, Todd. Give Mr. Hollingsworth all the ammunition he
needs for yanking that license. Amateur radio needs more guys like you.
No more "idle dribble"!

And with you and the ARRL by his side Free Speech will be supressed.

I'm a strong believer in free speech and I believe there are
problems in amateur radio and feel my voice needs to be heard.

So why are you broadcasting on a dead band?

I'm "broadcasting" on a dead band so not to cause harmful interference.

Dave K8MN
"If Todd broadcasts on a dead band, is there a sound?"

So why are you broadcasting on a dead band?


I'm "broadcasting" on a dead band so not to cause harmful interference.



Aside from hams within about 50 miles of you, who's
gonna be able to hear it? Still say the Internet is
a better tool for this....

The rules on "content" just say "no pecuniary interest",
no "broadcast of material other than stuff hams and
noone else would be interested in" but 2 way or multi
ham nets can talk about anything they want except offensive
or indecent material or anything that would be pecuniary.
Also no false distress calls and such either.

"robert casey" wrote in message
ink.net...

So why are you broadcasting on a dead band?


I'm "broadcasting" on a dead band so not to cause harmful interference.



Aside from hams within about 50 miles of you, who's
gonna be able to hear it? Still say the Internet is
a better tool for this....


Well so could amateur radio. Let's get rid of amateur radio all together and
all go to the internet. All the stuff the amateur do can all be done on the
internet. I sure all the amateur bands could be used for another service.
Think about it if all of the amateurs move to the internet they wouldn't
have to worry about BPL.


The rules on "content" just say "no pecuniary interest",
no "broadcast of material other than stuff hams and
noone else would be interested in" but 2 way or multi
ham nets can talk about anything they want except offensive
or indecent material or anything that would be pecuniary.
Also no false distress calls and such either.

Pecuniary Interest means some kind of business or financial gain.This
however is all true because the FCC has changed the rules to stuff that used
to be consider "pecuniary intrest" and now is legal for amateurs. If
amateurs aren't allowed to have pecuniary interest then W1AW shouldn't be
allowed on the air because of it's pecuniary interest.

Todd N9OGL




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Todd Daugherty wrote:

"robert casey" wrote in message
ink.net...

So why are you broadcasting on a dead band?


I'm "broadcasting" on a dead band so not to cause harmful interference.



Aside from hams within about 50 miles of you, who's
gonna be able to hear it? Still say the Internet is
a better tool for this....


Well so could amateur radio.

So could amateur radio what?

Let's get rid of amateur radio all together and
all go to the internet.

Why should we do that?

All the stuff the amateur do can all be done on the
internet.

Really? I don't believe you. Can I work meteor scatter on the
internet?
Can I work 160m DXCC on the internet? Can I use the internet in an
emergency when the phone lines are down?

I sure all the amateur bands could be used for another service.

"I sure" they could be too. Why would they be?

Think about it if all of the amateurs move to the internet they wouldn't
have to worry about BPL.

"I believe that everythin' should be made legal. Then we woulnd't have
no crime"

--Brother Dave Gardener

Dave K8MN

Todd Daugherty wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Todd Daugherty wrote:

Content Control
I had recently started broadcasting my N9OGL Show on 28.555 MHz at 9.00
pm
CST. On my first broadcast I talked about content control in the amateur
radio service. Amateur Radio is on the eve of dying;

You've provided no evidence that amateur radio is dying.

Ham radio in about 10 to 15 years will be dead because technology and the
free flow of content will surpass amateur radio.

You've still provided no evidence that amateur radio is dying, Todd.

No matter what you might think that's a reality.

It does matter what I think. You've still provided no evidence to
support your claim.

Amateurs seem to believe that amateur radio should
be the idle dribble we call amateur radio.

For God's sake, Todd, the word is "drivel" and I don't see your
"broadcast" as being better stuff.

For amateur radio to grow
amateurs are going to have to change. Amateur radio has to look at the
future and not the short term future.

So the future is that we should all become micro-broadcasters on dead
bands?

The reason it's dying
isn't because the lack of amateurs in the service. No the reason it's
dying
is content control. Amateur radio is dying because amateur's are under
the
belief that the FCC can control the content of an amateur station.

No one from the FCC has stopped by to tell me that the content of my
amateur radio station is under investigation. Since I've come back to
the U.S., the content of my amateur radio station has been steadily
increasing. Even my XYL has given up on trying to control the content.


Not yet anyway.....but the FCC has gone after or discourage people for their
content in the past. ME, K1MAN, the Liberty Net just to name a few.

So, we're not discussing the content of an amateur radio station but of
the content of individuals? What do you, K1MAN and the Liberty Net
contain? Seriously, Todd, I think that if the FCC is going after you,
K1MAN and the Liberty Net, it is doing something right.

As a
matter of fact Mr. Hollingsworth of the FCC wanted me to let him know
when I
was going on the air so he QSL me. The QSL he's talking about is in the
form
of a warning letter, a C&D, NOV, or a NOF. Section 326 of the
Communication
Act of 1934 is a statue that prohibits the FCC from controlling the
content
of ANY radio stations. It also prohibits the FCC from creating rules and
regulations which would suppress free speech on the radio.

There are any number of things which can "control" your right to free
speech. There are regulatory things, like the fact that amateur radio
isn't a broadcast service and like the fact the Commission has obscenity
regs. You can't say things which will incite panic. Your civil right
to free speech becomes abridged where it infringes upon the rights of
another. You seemed to have missed those facts.

The FCC of course
under other rules and regulations can regulate obscene and indecent
material. Now there are many out there including the ARRL who believe
that
this rule doesn't apply to amateur radio.

Let me get this straight--You think that the ARRL believes the FCC has
no power to regulate obscene and indecent speech? You surely can't
believe that.

That was a misprint which I'm planning to fix.

It seems to be a misstatement shrouded in a misprint.

There are many in the ARRL
which believes that Free Speech doesn't apply to amateur radio.

Are you speaking of Directors? staffers? members? Who in the ARRL who
don't believe such?

Nor, the
statue that forbids the FCC from controlling content of ANY radio and
forbids the FCC from making any statue or regulation which supress speech
apply to amateur radio.

Todd, the word you are searching for is "statute", not "statue". I
don't believe that there is a statute forbidding the FCC to control
obscenity, indecency any other misuse of your amateur radio station.

It of course is not true, this
statue along with all the other sections of the Communication Act apply
in
one shape or another to amateur radio and the FCC.

Now you're saying that the FCC has oversight for regulating obscenity
and indency propagated BY the FCC? Where does the "statue" come into
play?

No, the point I was trying to make which like I said will be fixed on the
website. The point I was making is that there are some in the ARRL that
believe that certain statues don't apply to amateur radio but they in
reality they do.

"Statute", Todd and I disagree with you.


The problem is
the ARRL, their members and the FCC which tries to suppress or control
the
content.

So the ARRL and their running dog members are in collusion with the FCC
to control content?

Again the there are some in the ARRL that believes that the FCC can control
the content of amateur radio stations.

I'll assume that you mean the content of transmissions from an amateur
radio station. Those in the ARRL who believe that the FCC can control
the content of transmissions are correct.

So I'm broadcasting in an amateur band at night when it's not in
use. Big fricking deal at lease I using it.

I "using" it too. Truck drivers are sometimes using it too. Did you
realize that broadcasting is prohibited by radio amateurs whether it is
during the day or during the night. Did you realize that the 10m band
during solar maxima can be open all night to various parts of the
world? Did you know that there are propagation modes in which 10m can
open during the night over a distance even during periods of solar
minima?

First off my "broadcast" are programs directed towards the amateurs radio
community.

If they're "broadcasts", it doesn't matter.


10 meters with the solor maxima at it peak around here begins
closing down around 9 to 10 PM.

Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the band is open
round the clock. That really doesn't matter. You can't broadcast any
time.

I mean so what if broadcasting
information to the amateur radio community which may be a small value to
the
Amateurs.

If broadcasting by radio amateurs is illegal and of small value, why do
it?


Information bulletin are not illegal.

I didn't write anything about informational bulletins. I wrote
"broadcasting" which is a term you have used.

Any information no matter how
important to one person may be of small or little vaule to another person.

No kidding!

So what if I'm on there for a hour and half voice my opinion about
problems and issues in amateur radio.

The "so what" has already been addressed. Are you trying to get your
license yanked?

Again information bulletin are not illegal. The problem is the idea that the
public doesn't listen to amateur radio.

Not much of the public is listening to amateur radio. Almost no one is
listening to 10m when the band is closed.

So although Information bulletins
are directed towards the amateur radio community the public does listen.

And?

There is a gray line there.

There is?

At lease I have a opinion and I'm not
some drone of the ARRL who believes everything the ARRL says.

I'm a life member of the ARRL and I don't believe in everything done by
the ARRL. Then again, I don't broadcast my views on the ham bands. Do
you think the ARRL will do anything differently based upon your illegal
broadcasts?

Why won't you broadcast your view??

....because I'm not permitted to broadcast. I value my amateur license.

are you for content control??

Yes, most assuredly.

There is
one thing many amateur have to remember...Amateur radio is a hobby.

I think "many amateur" remember that.

Someone
who takes their hobby to serious has no real life.

....and someone who doesn't take his hobby seriously has no real hobby.
Many things have been done in a half-assed manner because the doer's
attitude is, "it's only a hobby".

W1AW is "broadcasting" so if I should stop so should they.

So, you equate the value of what you are doing to what W1AW is doing?

That's the
reason I'm broadcasting to voice my opinion's about issues in amateur
radio,
to let people hear what I'm thinking instead of that idle dribble we
call
ham radio.

That's the spirit, Todd. Give Mr. Hollingsworth all the ammunition he
needs for yanking that license. Amateur radio needs more guys like you.
No more "idle dribble"!

And with you and the ARRL by his side Free Speech will be supressed.

Suppressed? I don't think so. Controlled? Yes. What is it that you
don't feel you can do on the air as a ham, Todd? Is it that you can't
use potty language, or that you can't make money or that you can't play
music?

I'm a strong believer in free speech and I believe there are
problems in amateur radio and feel my voice needs to be heard.

So why are you broadcasting on a dead band?

I'm "broadcasting" on a dead band so not to cause harmful interference.

Your pilot light seems a little dim, Todd.

Dave K8MN

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:38:54 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Amateurs seem to believe that amateur radio should
be the idle dribble we call amateur radio.

For God's sake, Todd, the word is "drivel" and I don't see your
"broadcast" as being better stuff.

Now, now, Dave. Todd is self-proclaimed educated and an advisor to
legislators at the seat of government on the laws and future of
"micro- broadcasting". Surely he knows how to dribble the
information out....

The reason it's dying isn't because the lack of amateurs in the service.
No the reason it's dying is content control. Amateur radio
is dying because amateur's are under the belief that the
FCC can control the content of an amateur station.

I'm under the belief that the sun rises in the morning and sets in
the evening. Some things we *-just-* have to take on faith, it
seems.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Phil Kane wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:38:54 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Amateurs seem to believe that amateur radio should
be the idle dribble we call amateur radio.

For God's sake, Todd, the word is "drivel" and I don't see your
"broadcast" as being better stuff.

Now, now, Dave. Todd is self-proclaimed educated and an advisor to
legislators at the seat of government on the laws and future of
"micro- broadcasting". Surely he knows how to dribble the
information out....

But, Phil, if one dribbles, shouldn't care be taken so as not to dribble
on one's self?

The reason it's dying isn't because the lack of amateurs in the service.
No the reason it's dying is content control. Amateur radio
is dying because amateur's are under the belief that the
FCC can control the content of an amateur station.

I'm under the belief that the sun rises in the morning and sets in
the evening. Some things we *-just-* have to take on faith, it
seems.

I wanna know how your new career as henchman is working out? Does a
henchman gig pay well?

Dave K8MN

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ganews.com...
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:38:54 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

Amateurs seem to believe that amateur radio should
be the idle dribble we call amateur radio.

For God's sake, Todd, the word is "drivel" and I don't see your
"broadcast" as being better stuff.

Now, now, Dave. Todd is self-proclaimed educated and an advisor to
legislators at the seat of government on the laws and future of
"micro- broadcasting". Surely he knows how to dribble the
information out....
No you dumb ass I'm mainly a person from his district who has concerns and
like any other citizen of this country can petition the government. You
shouldn't of sleep through goverment class or you would of learned that.
Secondly, my issues had to due with the licensing process not
micro-broadcasting. I will say this Philly I know a number in the
"micro-broadcasting" movement who would say a lot of the **** that you
posted on this newgroup about the movement is that...****.Oh I'm sorry your
the big man during the Dunifer case but there were other cases and there are
still is cases going on.

Todd N9OGL

The reason it's dying isn't because the lack of amateurs in the
service.
No the reason it's dying is content control. Amateur radio
is dying because amateur's are under the belief that the
FCC can control the content of an amateur station.

I'm under the belief that the sun rises in the morning and sets in
the evening. Some things we *-just-* have to take on faith, it
seems.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane