"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part
"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or
experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC rules
does it state that.






Todd N9OGL
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Don't know what frequency it will be but i'll be there.I'll rebroadcast
my
first three talk shows as well as a new one entitled: Do we really need
the
ARRL? and the truth of Pirate Radio.



Since these are opinions pieces (like talk radio) rather than amateur
specific news bulletins, I would say they are on the wrong side of the
line
as far as the the FCC rules go.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Todd, I'd be careful if I were you. You must remember that even if you are
"technically" correct, If and whan they decide to cast their light upon you,
it's all open to interpretation. In the final analysis, their interpretation
will be the only one that counts. You might want to tread a tad more
carefully.

I hold no opinion as to the correctness of your activities. I just believe
that you're playing *against* the home team and there's lotsa cork in those
bats.

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782

Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part "disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC rules
does it state that.






Todd N9OGL
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Don't know what frequency it will be but i'll be there.I'll rebroadcast
my
first three talk shows as well as a new one entitled: Do we really need
the
ARRL? and the truth of Pirate Radio.



Since these are opinions pieces (like talk radio) rather than amateur
specific news bulletins, I would say they are on the wrong side of the
line
as far as the the FCC rules go.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:49:21 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

You know the easiest way of solving this problem which I'm working on, is a
petition for rulemaking to clarify what a Information bulletin is. That
would solve the problem once and for all.

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part
"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or
experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC rules
does it state that.


Granted I should have said information rather than news. However opinion
pieces are not information.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Todd Daugherty wrote:

Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part "disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC rules
does it state that.


I'll try to put it into words that hopefully even you can understand.
The spirit of the rule means that the one-way transmissions on the
amateur bands should contain bulletins or information pertaining to
amateur radio and directed only to amateur radio operators and the
subject matter should be that which is of interest to the amateur radio
service. My, that is almost exactly what the rule itself says.
Now quit trying to be a self taught lawyer, you are proving you are very
poor at it. It really doesn't matter how you interpet the rules, what
matters is how the FCC interperts them and if they interpert them
differently than you do, that's your problem.

Hi Burt,

You know the easiest way of solving this problem which I'm working on, is a
petition for rulemaking to clarify what a Information bulletin is. That
would solve the problem once and for all

Todd N9OGL
Todd, I'd be careful if I were you. You must remember that even if you are
"technically" correct, If and whan they decide to cast their light upon
you,
it's all open to interpretation. In the final analysis, their
interpretation
will be the only one that counts. You might want to tread a tad more
carefully.

I hold no opinion as to the correctness of your activities. I just believe
that you're playing *against* the home team and there's lotsa cork in
those
bats.

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782







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Granted I should have said information rather than news. However opinion
pieces are not information.


There's content that would be opinion on stuff only of
interest to hams, like "I think the FCC should get rid of
code tests" or "Everyone should know code".

Todd Daugherty wrote:

well like I stated untill the FCC makes a ruling on the matter where every
amateur gets the message this problem will never be solved. As for playing
lawyer it don't take a rocket scientist to read the rules.

But it does take some brains to read the rules and know what they mean,
unfortunately that leaves you out.
Your sentence should read, "it "doesn't" take a rocket....." The word
"doesn't" is the contraction for "does not", "don't" is the contraction
for "do not". I wouldn't banter around anything about someone's IQ if I
were you, as you cannot even use correct grammer.

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:31 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

OK what is then???

Consult your local communications attorney admitted to practice
before the FCC.

You are not my client and I'm not going to do the "heavy lifting"
for you.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Todd Daugherty wrote:

Put
Hollingsworth dick or it that stupid fat **** Phil Kane dick back in your
mouth and shut the hell up you whiney little bitchwhore!

Poor little Toddyboy, now reduced to using the gutter language of jr
high schoolers he spies on down at the mall where he picks up these
wonderful elocutionary skills.

Post when and what frequency you will be on 20 meters and I'll be sure
and give you a call and lets see if you are brave enough to use such
language on the air.