Don't know what frequency it will be but i'll be there.I'll rebroadcast my
first three talk shows as well as a new one entitled: Do we really need the
ARRL? and the truth of Pirate Radio.

Todd Daugherty
The N9OGL Show
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/

"Mel A. Nomah" wrote in message
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"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...

: Well by next weekend I plan to move it down to 20 meters.

14.275 would be a good spot.

M.A.N.
--
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord,
make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."
- Voltaire








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"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Don't know what frequency it will be but i'll be there.I'll rebroadcast my
first three talk shows as well as a new one entitled: Do we really need
the
ARRL? and the truth of Pirate Radio.



Since these are opinions pieces (like talk radio) rather than amateur
specific news bulletins, I would say they are on the wrong side of the line
as far as the the FCC rules go.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part "disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC rules
does it state that.






Todd N9OGL
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Don't know what frequency it will be but i'll be there.I'll rebroadcast
my
first three talk shows as well as a new one entitled: Do we really need
the
ARRL? and the truth of Pirate Radio.



Since these are opinions pieces (like talk radio) rather than amateur
specific news bulletins, I would say they are on the wrong side of the
line
as far as the the FCC rules go.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

This legal analysis from the "jailhouse lawyer" who described his
diatribes as "broadcasts." Let's just move on to another subject.

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part
"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or
experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC rules
does it state that.






Todd N9OGL
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Don't know what frequency it will be but i'll be there.I'll rebroadcast
my
first three talk shows as well as a new one entitled: Do we really need
the
ARRL? and the truth of Pirate Radio.



Since these are opinions pieces (like talk radio) rather than amateur
specific news bulletins, I would say they are on the wrong side of the
line
as far as the the FCC rules go.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Todd, I'd be careful if I were you. You must remember that even if you are
"technically" correct, If and whan they decide to cast their light upon you,
it's all open to interpretation. In the final analysis, their interpretation
will be the only one that counts. You might want to tread a tad more
carefully.

I hold no opinion as to the correctness of your activities. I just believe
that you're playing *against* the home team and there's lotsa cork in those
bats.

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782

Hi Burt,

You know the easiest way of solving this problem which I'm working on, is a
petition for rulemaking to clarify what a Information bulletin is. That
would solve the problem once and for all

Todd N9OGL
Todd, I'd be careful if I were you. You must remember that even if you are
"technically" correct, If and whan they decide to cast their light upon
you,
it's all open to interpretation. In the final analysis, their
interpretation
will be the only one that counts. You might want to tread a tad more
carefully.

I hold no opinion as to the correctness of your activities. I just believe
that you're playing *against* the home team and there's lotsa cork in
those
bats.

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782







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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:49:21 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

You know the easiest way of solving this problem which I'm working on, is a
petition for rulemaking to clarify what a Information bulletin is. That
would solve the problem once and for all.

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

OK what is then???

Todd N9OGL

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ganews.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:49:21 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

You know the easiest way of solving this problem which I'm working on, is
a
petition for rulemaking to clarify what a Information bulletin is. That
would solve the problem once and for all.

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part
"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or
experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC rules
does it state that.


Granted I should have said information rather than news. However opinion
pieces are not information.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3) A
judgement or estimation

Again nowhere in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that amateur's
can not be opinionated. The rules state the"information bulletin" has to be
of interest to the amateur radio community. I know amateur who run progams
on ATV about what antenna are the best to uses at what frequency....that's
also an opinion too. The reason there is no statement about no opinions on
the amateur band is as I stated before your getting into both a First
Amendment issue and content control issue which the FCC can't regulate under
Section 326. I've read on both on here and on other message board and it
seem that there is a HUGE misunderstanding of what an information bulletin
is and until there is a official statement by the FCC to where ALL amateur's
get the message this problem will never be solved.

Todd N9OGL



"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding.
The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information
bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to
disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease
I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part
"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or
experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of
Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of
amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and
regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC
rules
does it state that.


Granted I should have said information rather than news. However opinion
pieces are not information.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE