"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
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Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part
"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or
experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC rules
does it state that.


Granted I should have said information rather than news. However opinion
pieces are not information.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3) A
judgement or estimation

Again nowhere in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that amateur's
can not be opinionated. The rules state the"information bulletin" has to be
of interest to the amateur radio community. I know amateur who run progams
on ATV about what antenna are the best to uses at what frequency....that's
also an opinion too. The reason there is no statement about no opinions on
the amateur band is as I stated before your getting into both a First
Amendment issue and content control issue which the FCC can't regulate under
Section 326. I've read on both on here and on other message board and it
seem that there is a HUGE misunderstanding of what an information bulletin
is and until there is a official statement by the FCC to where ALL amateur's
get the message this problem will never be solved.

Todd N9OGL



"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding.
The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information
bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to
disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease
I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part
"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or
experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of
Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of
amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and
regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC
rules
does it state that.


Granted I should have said information rather than news. However opinion
pieces are not information.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3) A
judgement or estimation


Please note that in definition 2, you have put the emphasis on the wrong
word. The emphasis should be on JUDGEMENT not on knowledge. Note that
various and conflicting judgements (opinions) can be formed from the same
knowledge.

There is of course no rule that hams cannot be opinionated. There is of
course no rule that they cannot discuss their opinions in the course of
ordinary two way conversations. However the limited "broadcasting" allowed
by part 97 specifies information bulletins. Opinions are not information
although of course they may be derived from information.

Again, I think the only way to solve this problem as I stated before is to
have the FCC clarify the rules only then will this problem be resolved.
untill then I will continue to inform Amateurs with my opinions about issues
in amateur radio.

Todd N9OGL

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3) A
judgement or estimation


Please note that in definition 2, you have put the emphasis on the wrong
word. The emphasis should be on JUDGEMENT not on knowledge. Note that
various and conflicting judgements (opinions) can be formed from the same
knowledge.

There is of course no rule that hams cannot be opinionated. There is of
course no rule that they cannot discuss their opinions in the course of
ordinary two way conversations. However the limited "broadcasting"
allowed
by part 97 specifies information bulletins. Opinions are not information
although of course they may be derived from information.







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Hey Toad,

If you want to be a broadcaster, here is a far out idea.....Get a license
to be a broadcaster.

If you want to express your opinion on ham radio, about ham subjects, here
is a radical thought.......get on the air, engage someone in
conversation....and here it is....express your views. Far out eh?

Dan/W4NTI

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Again, I think the only way to solve this problem as I stated before is to
have the FCC clarify the rules only then will this problem be resolved.
untill then I will continue to inform Amateurs with my opinions about
issues
in amateur radio.

Todd N9OGL

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3) A
judgement or estimation


Please note that in definition 2, you have put the emphasis on the wrong
word. The emphasis should be on JUDGEMENT not on knowledge. Note that
various and conflicting judgements (opinions) can be formed from the same
knowledge.

There is of course no rule that hams cannot be opinionated. There is of
course no rule that they cannot discuss their opinions in the course of
ordinary two way conversations. However the limited "broadcasting"
allowed
by part 97 specifies information bulletins. Opinions are not information
although of course they may be derived from information.







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"Dan" wrote in message
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Hey Toad,

If you want to be a broadcaster, here is a far out idea.....Get a license
to be a broadcaster.
Tried that seven times with waivers and the FCC wouldn't consider my
application and waiver so my opinion is **** YOU, THE FCC AND THE HORSES YOU
ALL RODE ON!!!

Todd N9OGL


If you want to express your opinion on ham radio, about ham subjects,
here
is a radical thought.......get on the air, engage someone in
conversation....and here it is....express your views. Far out eh?

Dan/W4NTI

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Again, I think the only way to solve this problem as I stated before is
to
have the FCC clarify the rules only then will this problem be resolved.
untill then I will continue to inform Amateurs with my opinions about
issues
in amateur radio.

Todd N9OGL

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3)
A
judgement or estimation


Please note that in definition 2, you have put the emphasis on the
wrong
word. The emphasis should be on JUDGEMENT not on knowledge. Note that
various and conflicting judgements (opinions) can be formed from the
same
knowledge.

There is of course no rule that hams cannot be opinionated. There is
of
course no rule that they cannot discuss their opinions in the course of
ordinary two way conversations. However the limited "broadcasting"
allowed
by part 97 specifies information bulletins. Opinions are not
information
although of course they may be derived from information.







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On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:57:28 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

If you want to be a broadcaster, here is a far out idea.....Get a license
to be a broadcaster.

Tried that seven times with waivers and the FCC wouldn't consider my
application and waiver

After several times you didn't get the message, did you ??

so my opinion is **** YOU, THE FCC AND THE HORSES YOU
ALL RODE ON!!!

Does your mother know that you use such language in public ??

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Granted I should have said information rather than news. However opinion
pieces are not information.


There's content that would be opinion on stuff only of
interest to hams, like "I think the FCC should get rid of
code tests" or "Everyone should know code".