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Todd Daugherty January 21st 05 09:06 PM

This weekend on the N9OGL Show
 
On this weekend show.
This weekend on the N9OGL show...


The death of Amateur Radio

and

The FCC: Do they REALLY serve the public interest

This weekend on 28.555 MHz at 6.00 PM and 9.00PM CST



Todd N9OGL



Jeffrey Herman January 23rd 05 03:45 AM

Todd Daugherty wrote:
On this weekend show.
This weekend on the N9OGL show...
The death of Amateur Radio
and
The FCC: Do they REALLY serve the public interest
This weekend on 28.555 MHz at 6.00 PM and 9.00PM CST


Unusual choice of frequency and times given where we're
currently at in the sun spot cycle (unless your goal
is for no one to hear you!).

73, Jeff KH6O

--
Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard
Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System

Cmd Buzz Corey January 23rd 05 05:09 AM

Jeffrey Herman wrote:

Todd Daugherty wrote:

On this weekend show.
This weekend on the N9OGL show...
The death of Amateur Radio
and
The FCC: Do they REALLY serve the public interest
This weekend on 28.555 MHz at 6.00 PM and 9.00PM CST



Unusual choice of frequency and times given where we're
currently at in the sun spot cycle (unless your goal
is for no one to hear you!).


I think that's the point, he really doesn't want anyone to hear just how
stupid he really is.


Todd Daugherty January 23rd 05 10:19 PM

Well by next weekend I plan to move it down to 20 meters. I had to put my 20
meter antenna back up.

Todd N9OGL
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/


"Jeffrey Herman" wrote in message
...
Todd Daugherty wrote:
On this weekend show.
This weekend on the N9OGL show...
The death of Amateur Radio
and
The FCC: Do they REALLY serve the public interest
This weekend on 28.555 MHz at 6.00 PM and 9.00PM CST


Unusual choice of frequency and times given where we're
currently at in the sun spot cycle (unless your goal
is for no one to hear you!).

73, Jeff KH6O

--
Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard
Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System





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Cmd Buzz Corey January 23rd 05 11:36 PM

Todd Daugherty wrote:

Well by next weekend I plan to move it down to 20 meters. I had to put my 20
meter antenna back up.

Great! Can't wait for a good laugh.


Dave Heil January 24th 05 04:22 AM

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:

Todd Daugherty wrote:

Well by next weekend I plan to move it down to 20 meters. I had to put my 20
meter antenna back up.

Great! Can't wait for a good laugh.


If Todd is using his computer clock for appearing on the bands, it might
be tough to catch his "broadcast".

Dave K8MN

Mel A. Nomah January 24th 05 05:37 AM

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...

: Well by next weekend I plan to move it down to 20 meters.

14.275 would be a good spot.

M.A.N.
--
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord,
make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."
- Voltaire




Todd Daugherty January 25th 05 01:20 AM

Don't know what frequency it will be but i'll be there.I'll rebroadcast my
first three talk shows as well as a new one entitled: Do we really need the
ARRL? and the truth of Pirate Radio.

Todd Daugherty
The N9OGL Show
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/

"Mel A. Nomah" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...

: Well by next weekend I plan to move it down to 20 meters.

14.275 would be a good spot.

M.A.N.
--
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord,
make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."
- Voltaire








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Dee Flint January 25th 05 03:12 AM


"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Don't know what frequency it will be but i'll be there.I'll rebroadcast my
first three talk shows as well as a new one entitled: Do we really need
the
ARRL? and the truth of Pirate Radio.



Since these are opinions pieces (like talk radio) rather than amateur
specific news bulletins, I would say they are on the wrong side of the line
as far as the the FCC rules go.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Carl January 25th 05 02:43 PM

This legal analysis from the "jailhouse lawyer" who described his
diatribes as "broadcasts." Let's just move on to another subject.


Bert Craig January 25th 05 05:56 PM

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part
"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or
experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC rules
does it state that.






Todd N9OGL
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Don't know what frequency it will be but i'll be there.I'll rebroadcast

my
first three talk shows as well as a new one entitled: Do we really need
the
ARRL? and the truth of Pirate Radio.



Since these are opinions pieces (like talk radio) rather than amateur
specific news bulletins, I would say they are on the wrong side of the

line
as far as the the FCC rules go.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Todd, I'd be careful if I were you. You must remember that even if you are
"technically" correct, If and whan they decide to cast their light upon you,
it's all open to interpretation. In the final analysis, their interpretation
will be the only one that counts. You might want to tread a tad more
carefully.

I hold no opinion as to the correctness of your activities. I just believe
that you're playing *against* the home team and there's lotsa cork in those
bats.

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782



Todd Daugherty January 25th 05 09:54 PM

Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part "disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC rules
does it state that.






Todd N9OGL
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Don't know what frequency it will be but i'll be there.I'll rebroadcast

my
first three talk shows as well as a new one entitled: Do we really need
the
ARRL? and the truth of Pirate Radio.



Since these are opinions pieces (like talk radio) rather than amateur
specific news bulletins, I would say they are on the wrong side of the

line
as far as the the FCC rules go.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE






Phil Kane January 26th 05 12:15 AM

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:49:21 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

You know the easiest way of solving this problem which I'm working on, is a
petition for rulemaking to clarify what a Information bulletin is. That
would solve the problem once and for all.


A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane



Dee Flint January 26th 05 03:27 AM


"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part
"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or
experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC rules
does it state that.


Granted I should have said information rather than news. However opinion
pieces are not information.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Cmd Buzz Corey January 26th 05 05:08 AM

Todd Daugherty wrote:

Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part "disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC rules
does it state that.


I'll try to put it into words that hopefully even you can understand.
The spirit of the rule means that the one-way transmissions on the
amateur bands should contain bulletins or information pertaining to
amateur radio and directed only to amateur radio operators and the
subject matter should be that which is of interest to the amateur radio
service. My, that is almost exactly what the rule itself says.
Now quit trying to be a self taught lawyer, you are proving you are very
poor at it. It really doesn't matter how you interpet the rules, what
matters is how the FCC interperts them and if they interpert them
differently than you do, that's your problem.


Todd Daugherty January 26th 05 11:49 AM

Hi Burt,

You know the easiest way of solving this problem which I'm working on, is a
petition for rulemaking to clarify what a Information bulletin is. That
would solve the problem once and for all

Todd N9OGL
Todd, I'd be careful if I were you. You must remember that even if you are
"technically" correct, If and whan they decide to cast their light upon

you,
it's all open to interpretation. In the final analysis, their

interpretation
will be the only one that counts. You might want to tread a tad more
carefully.

I hold no opinion as to the correctness of your activities. I just believe
that you're playing *against* the home team and there's lotsa cork in

those
bats.

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782







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robert casey January 26th 05 04:01 PM



Granted I should have said information rather than news. However opinion
pieces are not information.


There's content that would be opinion on stuff only of
interest to hams, like "I think the FCC should get rid of
code tests" or "Everyone should know code".

Cmd Buzz Corey January 26th 05 06:10 PM

Todd Daugherty wrote:

well like I stated untill the FCC makes a ruling on the matter where every
amateur gets the message this problem will never be solved. As for playing
lawyer it don't take a rocket scientist to read the rules.


But it does take some brains to read the rules and know what they mean,
unfortunately that leaves you out.
Your sentence should read, "it "doesn't" take a rocket....." The word
"doesn't" is the contraction for "does not", "don't" is the contraction
for "do not". I wouldn't banter around anything about someone's IQ if I
were you, as you cannot even use correct grammer.


Phil Kane January 26th 05 07:08 PM

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:31 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

OK what is then???


Consult your local communications attorney admitted to practice
before the FCC.

You are not my client and I'm not going to do the "heavy lifting"
for you.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane



Cmd Buzz Corey January 26th 05 08:22 PM

Todd Daugherty wrote:

Put
Hollingsworth dick or it that stupid fat **** Phil Kane dick back in your
mouth and shut the hell up you whiney little bitchwhore!


Poor little Toddyboy, now reduced to using the gutter language of jr
high schoolers he spies on down at the mall where he picks up these
wonderful elocutionary skills.

Post when and what frequency you will be on 20 meters and I'll be sure
and give you a call and lets see if you are brave enough to use such
language on the air.


Todd Daugherty January 26th 05 09:03 PM

Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3) A
judgement or estimation

Again nowhere in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that amateur's
can not be opinionated. The rules state the"information bulletin" has to be
of interest to the amateur radio community. I know amateur who run progams
on ATV about what antenna are the best to uses at what frequency....that's
also an opinion too. The reason there is no statement about no opinions on
the amateur band is as I stated before your getting into both a First
Amendment issue and content control issue which the FCC can't regulate under
Section 326. I've read on both on here and on other message board and it
seem that there is a HUGE misunderstanding of what an information bulletin
is and until there is a official statement by the FCC to where ALL amateur's
get the message this problem will never be solved.

Todd N9OGL



"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding.

The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information

bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to

disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease

I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part
"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or
experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of

Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of

amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and

regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC

rules
does it state that.


Granted I should have said information rather than news. However opinion
pieces are not information.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE






Todd Daugherty January 26th 05 09:05 PM

OK what is then???

Todd N9OGL

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ganews.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:49:21 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

You know the easiest way of solving this problem which I'm working on, is

a
petition for rulemaking to clarify what a Information bulletin is. That
would solve the problem once and for all.


A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane






Todd Daugherty January 26th 05 09:34 PM

well like I stated untill the FCC makes a ruling on the matter where every
amateur gets the message this problem will never be solved. As for playing
lawyer it don't take a rocket scientist to read the rules. It's not my fault
your IQ is that of a 5th grader and you can't ****ing read. Put
Hollingsworth dick or it that stupid fat **** Phil Kane dick back in your
mouth and shut the hell up you whiney little bitchwhore! As for
interpretation of the rules as Hollingsworth stated in a letter to K1MAN "
The rules of the Amateur Service are straightforward and easy to understand"
(From Amateur radio licenseK1MAN to Glenn Baxter K1MAN from Riley
Hollingsworth January 29, 2002) (complete letter at
http://www.arrl.org/news/enforcement...2002/0209.html)

Todd N9OGL


"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Todd Daugherty wrote:

Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding.

The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information

bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to

disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease

I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part

"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or

experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of

Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of

amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and

regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC

rules
does it state that.


I'll try to put it into words that hopefully even you can understand.
The spirit of the rule means that the one-way transmissions on the
amateur bands should contain bulletins or information pertaining to
amateur radio and directed only to amateur radio operators and the
subject matter should be that which is of interest to the amateur radio
service. My, that is almost exactly what the rule itself says.
Now quit trying to be a self taught lawyer, you are proving you are very
poor at it. It really doesn't matter how you interpet the rules, what
matters is how the FCC interperts them and if they interpert them
differently than you do, that's your problem.






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Todd Daugherty January 27th 05 10:57 AM

The cloeses "communication attorney" is 200 miles away....oh well I just
keep doing my thing :) and this "problem will never be solved.

Todd n9ogl


"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ganews.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:31 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

OK what is then???


Consult your local communications attorney admitted to practice
before the FCC.

You are not my client and I'm not going to do the "heavy lifting"
for you.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane






Cmd Buzz Corey January 27th 05 05:41 PM

Todd Daugherty wrote:

Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.



So Toddyboy, what is your 20 meter schedule? We are waiting so we can
tune in, even make contact. When are you going to post the schedule?


Cmd Buzz Corey January 28th 05 02:53 AM

Todd Daugherty wrote:


It will be at 5.00 pm EST, 4.00 pm CST, 3.00 pm MST, 2.00 pm PST between
14.225 to 14.350 MHz.



Is that Saturday, Sunday, or both, or are we supposed to guess?


Dee Flint January 28th 05 03:52 AM


"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3) A
judgement or estimation


Please note that in definition 2, you have put the emphasis on the wrong
word. The emphasis should be on JUDGEMENT not on knowledge. Note that
various and conflicting judgements (opinions) can be formed from the same
knowledge.

There is of course no rule that hams cannot be opinionated. There is of
course no rule that they cannot discuss their opinions in the course of
ordinary two way conversations. However the limited "broadcasting" allowed
by part 97 specifies information bulletins. Opinions are not information
although of course they may be derived from information.



Todd Daugherty January 28th 05 12:53 PM


"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Todd Daugherty wrote:

Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding.

The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.




It will be at 5.00 pm EST, 4.00 pm CST, 3.00 pm MST, 2.00 pm PST between
14.225 to 14.350 MHz.

Todd N9OGL



So Toddyboy, what is your 20 meter schedule? We are waiting so we can
tune in, even make contact. When are you going to post the schedule?






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Todd Daugherty January 28th 05 07:12 PM

Sorry Saturday at those times.

Todd N9OGL
"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Todd Daugherty wrote:


It will be at 5.00 pm EST, 4.00 pm CST, 3.00 pm MST, 2.00 pm PST between
14.225 to 14.350 MHz.



Is that Saturday, Sunday, or both, or are we supposed to guess?






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Todd Daugherty January 28th 05 07:34 PM

Again, I think the only way to solve this problem as I stated before is to
have the FCC clarify the rules only then will this problem be resolved.
untill then I will continue to inform Amateurs with my opinions about issues
in amateur radio.

Todd N9OGL

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3) A
judgement or estimation


Please note that in definition 2, you have put the emphasis on the wrong
word. The emphasis should be on JUDGEMENT not on knowledge. Note that
various and conflicting judgements (opinions) can be formed from the same
knowledge.

There is of course no rule that hams cannot be opinionated. There is of
course no rule that they cannot discuss their opinions in the course of
ordinary two way conversations. However the limited "broadcasting"

allowed
by part 97 specifies information bulletins. Opinions are not information
although of course they may be derived from information.







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Dan January 30th 05 02:33 AM


"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ganews.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:31 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

OK what is then???


Consult your local communications attorney admitted to practice
before the FCC.

You are not my client and I'm not going to do the "heavy lifting"
for you.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane



Amazing, ain't it Phil? Look at all these so called educated folks
discussing the pro and con of "amateur broadcasting"..

Looks like 14.275 has become the new sewer of ham radio. Riley ain't gonna
do squat. You want to get rid of these clowns? Get on freq before they
show up. End of problem.

Dan/W4NTI



Dan January 30th 05 02:35 AM

Help me here please Toad Daugherty.

Why did you get into Ham Radio in the first place? According to your Blog
site you got into Packet, liked it a lot....etc. Now your on here yapping
about being a wanabee broadcaster. Sorta sounding like K1MAN.......I got a
idea....how about you BOTH getting together and running a "broadcast" It
will save on tape for all concerned,.

Dan/W4NTI

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
The cloeses "communication attorney" is 200 miles away....oh well I just
keep doing my thing :) and this "problem will never be solved.

Todd n9ogl


"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ganews.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:31 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

OK what is then???


Consult your local communications attorney admitted to practice
before the FCC.

You are not my client and I'm not going to do the "heavy lifting"
for you.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane








Buck January 30th 05 05:14 AM

You want to get rid of these clowns? Get on freq before they
show up. End of problem.



Pardon me while I laugh. They will probably stomp all over anyone who
tries to use that frequency.


Buck
--
For what it's worth.


Dave January 30th 05 11:53 AM

speaking of da man... where is he, haven't heard him in a while. did his
radio shack timer break again? or maybe he packed up and went with one of
his 'jump teams'???

"Dan" wrote in message
nk.net...
Help me here please Toad Daugherty.

Why did you get into Ham Radio in the first place? According to your

Blog
site you got into Packet, liked it a lot....etc. Now your on here

yapping
about being a wanabee broadcaster. Sorta sounding like K1MAN.......I got

a
idea....how about you BOTH getting together and running a "broadcast" It
will save on tape for all concerned,.

Dan/W4NTI

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
The cloeses "communication attorney" is 200 miles away....oh well I just
keep doing my thing :) and this "problem will never be solved.

Todd n9ogl


"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ganews.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:31 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this

ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

OK what is then???

Consult your local communications attorney admitted to practice
before the FCC.

You are not my client and I'm not going to do the "heavy lifting"
for you.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane










Mike Coslo January 30th 05 04:16 PM

Todd Daugherty wrote:

"Dan" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
. giganews.com...

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:31 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:


A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.


OK what is then???

Consult your local communications attorney admitted to practice
before the FCC.

You are not my client and I'm not going to do the "heavy lifting"
for you.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane



Amazing, ain't it Phil? Look at all these so called educated folks
discussing the pro and con of "amateur broadcasting"..

Looks like 14.275 has become the new sewer of ham radio. Riley ain't


gonna

do squat. You want to get rid of these clowns? Get on freq before they
show up. End of problem.

Dan/W4NTI


For your information Dan, my show is not going to be 14.275. Since your are
slow due to all that inbreeding down there in alabama I get you up to speed
here. The N9OGL SHOW will be on Sunday at 4.00 pm CST; it was suppose to be
today however, we got hit by a terrible snow storm. Unlike K1MAN my program
is only on for a hour/ hour and a half. My program deals with issues in
amateur radio. So feel free to get your wife/sister to sit around the radio
and listen to my INFORMATION BULLETIN



But the big question is: What are you going to do if the frequency is
in use at "bulliten time"?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Cmd Buzz Corey January 30th 05 09:19 PM

Todd Daugherty wrote:



It will be at 5.00 pm EST, 4.00 pm CST, 3.00 pm MST, 2.00 pm PST between
14.225 to 14.350 MHz.


Why don't you pick a wide spread of frequencies to make it harder to
find your transmissions?


Todd Daugherty January 30th 05 10:10 PM

"Dan" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ganews.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:31 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

OK what is then???


Consult your local communications attorney admitted to practice
before the FCC.

You are not my client and I'm not going to do the "heavy lifting"
for you.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane



Amazing, ain't it Phil? Look at all these so called educated folks
discussing the pro and con of "amateur broadcasting"..

Looks like 14.275 has become the new sewer of ham radio. Riley ain't

gonna
do squat. You want to get rid of these clowns? Get on freq before they
show up. End of problem.

Dan/W4NTI

For your information Dan, my show is not going to be 14.275. Since your are
slow due to all that inbreeding down there in alabama I get you up to speed
here. The N9OGL SHOW will be on Sunday at 4.00 pm CST; it was suppose to be
today however, we got hit by a terrible snow storm. Unlike K1MAN my program
is only on for a hour/ hour and a half. My program deals with issues in
amateur radio. So feel free to get your wife/sister to sit around the radio
and listen to my INFORMATION BULLETIN

Todd N9OGL




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Dan February 3rd 05 02:33 AM

Hey Toad,

If you want to be a broadcaster, here is a far out idea.....Get a license
to be a broadcaster.

If you want to express your opinion on ham radio, about ham subjects, here
is a radical thought.......get on the air, engage someone in
conversation....and here it is....express your views. Far out eh?

Dan/W4NTI

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Again, I think the only way to solve this problem as I stated before is to
have the FCC clarify the rules only then will this problem be resolved.
untill then I will continue to inform Amateurs with my opinions about
issues
in amateur radio.

Todd N9OGL

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3) A
judgement or estimation


Please note that in definition 2, you have put the emphasis on the wrong
word. The emphasis should be on JUDGEMENT not on knowledge. Note that
various and conflicting judgements (opinions) can be formed from the same
knowledge.

There is of course no rule that hams cannot be opinionated. There is of
course no rule that they cannot discuss their opinions in the course of
ordinary two way conversations. However the limited "broadcasting"

allowed
by part 97 specifies information bulletins. Opinions are not information
although of course they may be derived from information.







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Dan February 3rd 05 02:34 AM


"Buck" wrote in message
...
You want to get rid of these clowns? Get on freq before they
show up. End of problem.



Pardon me while I laugh. They will probably stomp all over anyone who
tries to use that frequency.


Buck
--
For what it's worth.


Who is they?

Dan/W4NTI



Dan February 3rd 05 02:36 AM


"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
"Dan" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ganews.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:31 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

OK what is then???

Consult your local communications attorney admitted to practice
before the FCC.

You are not my client and I'm not going to do the "heavy lifting"
for you.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane



Amazing, ain't it Phil? Look at all these so called educated folks
discussing the pro and con of "amateur broadcasting"..

Looks like 14.275 has become the new sewer of ham radio. Riley ain't

gonna
do squat. You want to get rid of these clowns? Get on freq before they
show up. End of problem.

Dan/W4NTI

For your information Dan, my show is not going to be 14.275. Since your
are
slow due to all that inbreeding down there in alabama I get you up to
speed
here. The N9OGL SHOW will be on Sunday at 4.00 pm CST; it was suppose to
be
today however, we got hit by a terrible snow storm. Unlike K1MAN my
program
is only on for a hour/ hour and a half. My program deals with issues in
amateur radio. So feel free to get your wife/sister to sit around the
radio
and listen to my INFORMATION BULLETIN

Todd N9OGL




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What a dumbass you are Toad. Just because someone has a 4 call means they
are inbreed, eh Toad.....What is it they call 9 landers? Well I have
enough class NOT to go there. But just to make sure you understand what I
think of you.....put this on for size....**** YOU MORON.

Dan/W4NTI




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