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Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote: One of the things that has been repeatedly promised and predicted for the various license test changes was that we'd get more 'technically inclined' new hams, who would revolutionize ham radio with 'new modes and modulations' and other neat stuff. Yet when it comes to actually *building radios*, we see even the self-proclaimed 'professionals in radio' buying them ready-made. And ginving those who *do* build their own rigs a raft of $&!# about doing so. Kinda makes ya wonder.... You can forget about hams becoming more technical, that is a thing of the past. Todays hams are strictly plug and play appliance operators, the most technical they get now is how many push buttons are on the front panel and how many memories in the radio. The best we can hope for is that the test be geared such that they learn the rules and proper operating procedures. Some are, some aren't. I build everything I can, and a first class techno-weenie. Rumors of the demise of the technical ham are greatly exxagerated! - Mike KB3EIA - |
Todd Daugherty wrote:
And it's THAT attitude that will kill amateur radio. No one will come to the service if there is something BETTER out there. Getting too many in ham radio like you will kill ham radio. |
**** you cornhole
Todd "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Todd Daugherty wrote: And it's THAT attitude that will kill amateur radio. No one will come to the service if there is something BETTER out there. Getting too many in ham radio like you will kill ham radio. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Attract em with some kinda new fangled packet racket. Yeah right.
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Let see you come up with something better....between you and Cmd Buzz Corey
which one of you the butch and which one is the bitch??? Todd N9OGL "Bathrooman" wrote in message oups.com... Attract em with some kinda new fangled packet racket. Yeah right. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
You faggot. Go back to your faggot school and jerk off in the bathroom.
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Todd Daugherty wrote:
Very mature reply toddyboy. **** you cornhole Todd "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Todd Daugherty wrote: And it's THAT attitude that will kill amateur radio. No one will come to the service if there is something BETTER out there. Getting too many in ham radio like you will kill ham radio. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Yeah, very mature reply toddyboy. Now go try to build a dipole that
will survive a snow storm. |
This is an Advance packet system, unlike that crappy system we all know to
hate. N9OGL "Bathrooman" wrote in message oups.com... Attract em with some kinda new fangled packet racket. Yeah right. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Advanced Packet System... Okey dokey, now what are you going to do with
it? Exchange signal reports & wx? It's for girly men. |
N9OGL ADVANCE PACKET NETWORK
The Advanced Amateur Radio Packet Network (AARPN) will NOT be setup like the known packet system. The network will be set up like this; One centralized node will serve a community and the surrounding area. An amateur opeator would click on a Peer to Peer (P2P) icon on their computers and it will connect them to the centralized node. An amateur would then would type in the search engine in the P2P software what they are looking for like a Icom for sale or a tech manual. This system has a huge advantage over the old system. first it would be operating at 1 to 11megabits per second. Second there would be no fowarding because if you have something to sale like a radio, you can but a little description and put it in your share file folder.Or a tech manual you would also put it in your share file folder. The centralized node would be hooked up to the internet and the internet would be used as a high speed "backbone" systerm. This in turn would connecting all the radio nodes together. Other applications like email, chat and later virtual reality programs could be used. Girly you say, well I would this system over any system. Like I said you whiney like bitch whore I ****ing dare you come up with something different. Todd N9OGL "Bathrooman" wrote in message oups.com... Advanced Packet System... Okey dokey, now what are you going to do with it? Exchange signal reports & wx? It's for girly men. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Caveat Lector wrote:
Someone wrote; Q codes are for morse only. People who use Q codes on voice or text are boring. I agree that generally there is no reason to use Q-codes on voice. Well I use phonetics on CW. ;-) |
robert casey wrote: Caveat Lector wrote: Someone wrote; Q codes are for morse only. People who use Q codes on voice or text are boring. I agree that generally there is no reason to use Q-codes on voice. Well I use phonetics on CW. ;-) So do I. Sending CW is so much fun that I spell everything out phonetically in Morse Code. For instance, CQ is sent "c h a r l e y q u e b e c" It just makes the good times last longer. |
"bb" wrote in message ups.com... robert casey wrote: Caveat Lector wrote: Someone wrote; Q codes are for morse only. People who use Q codes on voice or text are boring. I agree that generally there is no reason to use Q-codes on voice. Well I use phonetics on CW. ;-) So do I. Sending CW is so much fun that I spell everything out phonetically in Morse Code. For instance, CQ is sent "c h a r l e y q u e b e c" It just makes the good times last longer. An efficient use of your time I assume (;-) |
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:25:15 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:
N9OGL ADVANCE PACKET NETWORK The Advanced Amateur Radio Packet Network (AARPN) will NOT be setup like the known packet system. The network will be set up like this; One centralized node will serve a community and the surrounding area. An amateur opeator would click on a Peer to Peer (P2P) icon on their computers and it will connect them to the centralized node. An amateur would then would type in the search engine in the P2P software what they are looking for like a Icom for sale or a tech manual. This system has a huge advantage over the old system. first it would be operating at 1 to 11megabits per second. Second there would be no fowarding because if you have something to sale like a radio, you can but a little description and put it in your share file folder.Or a tech manual you would also put it in your share file folder. The centralized node would be hooked up to the internet and the internet would be used as a high speed "backbone" systerm. This in turn would connecting all the radio nodes together. Other applications like email, chat and later virtual reality programs could be used. All you have described is a wireless WAN - no big deal, it's in use in large industrial campuses such as between the three Intel Corp. facilities in Washington County here. There even is a ham band not that far from the commercial microwave band which they use. It ain't gonna' work on 2 meters, though. You need far too much rf bandwidth. Girly you say, well I would this system over any system. Like I said you whiney like bitch whore I ****ing dare you come up with something different. Here's where you lose any credibility that you may have had. Grow up if you want to be listened to. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon |
"Phil Kane" wrote in message ganews.com... On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:25:15 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote: I believe those wifi systems are using Spread Spectrum system, But only problem with those wifi system would come up a way to keep non-amateurs out. As I stated in my previous post this system, I think this system would work better for amateur radio because it would eliminate fowarding and would allow a variety more stuff in the amateur service. Stuff that wasn't allowed due to the speed problem; including a online library with a mass variety of tech books. s Todd N9OGL -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Caveat Lector wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... So do I. Sending CW is so much fun that I spell everything out phonetically in Morse Code. For instance, CQ is sent "c h a r l e y q u e b e c" It just makes the good times last longer. An efficient use of your time I assume (;-) W0EX, K3LT, and K4YZ used to get so upset that I dind't spend my spare time getting to 20wpm. Lucky for me this isn't East Germany and I get to decide how to spend my leisure time. |
Todd Daugherty wrote: Like I said you whiney like bitch whore I ****ing dare you come up with something different. Todd N9OGL Todd, I think you need to work on the delivery a little more. About 600,000 USA hams just tuned out your ideas. |
Todd Daugherty wrote: Go to streets of your town as ask the average person on the street if they had a choice between the Internet and Amateur radio which one would they pick? The vast majority of people would pick the internet. Red herring alert! You don't need to choose "between" them..... it's perfectly acceptable to participate in both, and for different reasons. Come back when you've learned logical debating techniques. With kindest personal regards, Hans, K0HB |
wrote in message oups.com... Todd Daugherty wrote: Go to streets of your town as ask the average person on the street if they had a choice between the Internet and Amateur radio which one would they pick? The vast majority of people would pick the internet. Red herring alert! You don't need to choose "between" them..... it's perfectly acceptable to participate in both, and for different reasons. Come back when you've learned logical debating techniques. With kindest personal regards, Hans, K0HB Haven't seen you in here for awhile. Where have you been? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
The point of the argument is for amateur's radio to grow amateurs are
going to have to compete with the internet. Compete in the sense of getting people into the hobby. The old modes of communication isn't going to cut it anymore. The vast majority of people would rather get on the internet instead of getting into a hobby which has nothing to really offer in terms new modes of communication. Many amateur radio operators can face the fact that amateur radio is slowly falling behind in technology and thus in turn is slowly dying off. Amateur radio will not grow if you can't get people into the service. You can drop the licensing structure down to nothing but no one will come into a hobby without dated modes of communication. Todd N9OGL |
Like I said BB I would like to see them come up with something
different. Secondly I really doubt that 600,000 amateurs came up with the same idea, if they did the system would be in place but it's not. nor, would I be in the postion to defend those "appliance users" on this newsgroup. Finally, the whole point is, amateurs are going to have to get it in their head to compete with the internet. compete in the sense of coming up with new ideas and new modes of communication to get people into the hobby. without people you will not have an amateur radio service. This is the 21st century and amateurs are still using outdated modes of communication. As I stated before if you were to go on the street and ask the average person if they had a choice between amateur rado and the internet the vast majority would pick the internet. Sure a lot of people don't know or ever heard of amateur radio, but at the same time if you were to explain it to them they would probabaly still pick the internet. they can do everything an amateur radio operator can do on the internet mode wise and more. Amateurs are falling behind in the tech world the problem with is those outdate CB operators/appliance users who don't want the system to change and fear anything new. Todd M9OGL bb wrote: Todd Daugherty wrote: Like I said you whiney like bitch whore I ****ing dare you come up with something different. Todd N9OGL Todd, I think you need to work on the delivery a little more. About 600,000 USA hams just tuned out your ideas. |
N9OGL wrote:
The point of the argument is for amateur's radio to grow amateurs are going to have to compete with the internet. No, that not only isn't the point, there isn't any argument except in your mind. Compete in the sense of getting people into the hobby. Amateur radio competes with any other leisure activity for time. Some folks find it fascinating. Some have no interest. Not everyone is going to become a radio amateur. The old modes of communication isn't going to cut it anymore. They seem to be cutting it just fine, Todd. What new mode do you use in your clandestine "broadcasts"? The vast majority of people would rather get on the internet instead of getting into a hobby which has nothing to really offer in terms new modes of communication. The vast majority of people are never going to become hams. It has always been that way and will always be that way. Many amateur radio operators can face the fact that amateur radio is slowly falling behind in technology and thus in turn is slowly dying off. You've managed to dump a couple of false premises in one sentence. You're wrong about technology and about amateur radio dying. Amateur radio will not grow if you can't get people into the service. Amateur radio licensing numbers are near an all time high. You can drop the licensing structure down to nothing but no one will come into a hobby without dated modes of communication. I'm too busy laughing at your sentence to give you a serious reply, Todd. Dave K8MN |
N9OGL wrote:
without people you will not have an amateur radio service. Brilliant, Todd! Without people, there'd be no Social Security. Without tires, there'd be no driving. This is the 21st century and amateurs are still using outdated modes of communication. What makes a mode of communication outdated, Todd? Is it simply the number of years it has existed? This is the 21st Century. Do you think you have 21st Century writing skills? If you have the latest high speed modes of communications open to you, are your skills such that you can use them to express coherent thoughts? Amateurs are falling behind in the tech world the problem with is those outdate CB operators/appliance users who don't want the system to change and fear anything new. Now THERE is a masterpiece of 21st Century thought. Dave K8MN |
"N9OGL" wrote in message ups.com... The point of the argument is for amateur's radio to grow amateurs are going to have to compete with the internet. Compete in the sense of getting people into the hobby. The old modes of communication isn't going to cut it anymore. The vast majority of people would rather get on the internet instead of getting into a hobby which has nothing to really offer in terms new modes of communication. Many amateur radio operators can face the fact that amateur radio is slowly falling behind in technology and thus in turn is slowly dying off. Amateur radio will not grow if you can't get people into the service. You can drop the licensing structure down to nothing but no one will come into a hobby without dated modes of communication. Todd N9OGL How can you compare the internet to ham radio? Ham radio is using the 'ether', not wires and computers. There is no competition between internet and ham radio. Those that are actually into real radio will choose ham radio, those into computer things will choose the internet. Of course there is a spill over between the two. But that only enhances the experience, not competes with it. There will always be a ham radio. Probably not in the form it is today. And what is wrong with liking the modes we use? Hams still us AM, and we would still be on spark if it were allowed. Just because it is old, does NOT make it bad. Hams do contribute to the state of the art. Where do you think SSTV came from ? Just one example. Dan/W4NTI |
And when the bull dozer cuts the phone line? Right.
Dan/W4NTI "N9OGL" wrote in message ups.com... Like I said BB I would like to see them come up with something different. Secondly I really doubt that 600,000 amateurs came up with the same idea, if they did the system would be in place but it's not. nor, would I be in the postion to defend those "appliance users" on this newsgroup. Finally, the whole point is, amateurs are going to have to get it in their head to compete with the internet. compete in the sense of coming up with new ideas and new modes of communication to get people into the hobby. without people you will not have an amateur radio service. This is the 21st century and amateurs are still using outdated modes of communication. As I stated before if you were to go on the street and ask the average person if they had a choice between amateur rado and the internet the vast majority would pick the internet. Sure a lot of people don't know or ever heard of amateur radio, but at the same time if you were to explain it to them they would probabaly still pick the internet. they can do everything an amateur radio operator can do on the internet mode wise and more. Amateurs are falling behind in the tech world the problem with is those outdate CB operators/appliance users who don't want the system to change and fear anything new. Todd M9OGL bb wrote: Todd Daugherty wrote: Like I said you whiney like bitch whore I ****ing dare you come up with something different. Todd N9OGL Todd, I think you need to work on the delivery a little more. About 600,000 USA hams just tuned out your ideas. |
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... N9OGL wrote: The point of the argument is for amateur's radio to grow amateurs are going to have to compete with the internet. No, that not only isn't the point, there isn't any argument except in your mind. Compete in the sense of getting people into the hobby. Amateur radio competes with any other leisure activity for time. Some folks find it fascinating. Some have no interest. Not everyone is going to become a radio amateur. The old modes of communication isn't going to cut it anymore. They seem to be cutting it just fine, Todd. What new mode do you use in your clandestine "broadcasts"? I'm running an information bulletin you dickhead and no matter what the **** you think their ****ing legal so get over it! The vast majority of people would rather get on the internet instead of getting into a hobby which has nothing to really offer in terms new modes of communication. The vast majority of people are never going to become hams. It has always been that way and will always be that way. No, not all people well get into amateur radio, but unless you can come up with new idea's the service will die. I was talking to other amatuers about this subject odd of the internet and agree that amateur radio will probably die off in a few years. Many amateur radio operators can face the fact that amateur radio is slowly falling behind in technology and thus in turn is slowly dying off. You've managed to dump a couple of false premises in one sentence. You're wrong about technology and about amateur radio dying. Oh really, what NEW technologies has amatuer radio come up with worth getting into? Amateur are falling behind that's the truth. Amateur radio will not grow if you can't get people into the service. Amateur radio licensing numbers are near an all time high. Not true, according to the statistics last year amateur radio went up and down in the number of people entering the service. last month it was down by over 1,000 people. You can drop the licensing structure down to nothing but no one will come into a hobby without dated modes of communication. I'm too busy laughing at your sentence to give you a serious reply, Todd. Dave K8MN ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
People have been using their voices for thousands of years, so is that
an 'outdated' form of communication? According to you it would be. Language replaced grunting, burping and farting as forms of communication, but you can still use that form of communication if you want to. How about implanting a CPU into everyone's brain so that we can communicate using brain waves? Amateur radio is in no way competing with the internet. They are both forms of communication. Now, with your brilliant thought processes, try coming up with something worthwhile to communicate. |
Todd Daugherty wrote:
I'm running an information bulletin you dickhead and no matter what the **** you think their ****ing legal so get over it! Toddyboy, why don't you go away until you pass through puberty and become mature enough to post something of revelance without the use of jr. highschool language? Do you really think that makes anyone take your rantings more seriously? NOT!!!!!!!! |
"Bathrooman" wrote in message oups.com... Language replaced grunting, burping and farting as forms of communication. I'll have to take exception to that. - Ask my wife! Charles Brabham, N5PVL Director: USPacket http://www.uspacket.org Admin: HamBlog.Com http://www.hamblog.com Weblog: http://www.hamblog.com/blog_n5pvl.php |
"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Todd Daugherty wrote: I'm running an information bulletin you dickhead and no matter what the **** you think their ****ing legal so get over it! Toddyboy, why don't you go away until you pass through puberty and become mature enough to post something of revelance without the use of jr. highschool language? Well if I didn't have to talk to a bunch of morons I wouldn't have to uses such language.And FYI I'm currently in college working on my degree what about you? Do you really think that makes anyone take your rantings more seriously? NOT!!!!!!!! Do you REALLY think I care what a bunch of appliance using CB operators think....HELL NO! Todd N9OGL ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Todd Daugherty wrote: I'm running an information bulletin you dickhead and no matter what the **** you think their ****ing legal so get over it! Toddyboy, why don't you go away until you pass through puberty and become mature enough to post something of revelance without the use of jr. highschool language? Do you really think that makes anyone take your rantings more seriously? NOT!!!!!!!! Well it's not my fault if that dumb ass doesn't know the different between a "broadcast" and a "information bulletin". I also sick of repeating myself to a bunch of dumb asses morons who can't tell the difference between the two. I will repeat it one more time; I'm running a information bulletin and information bulletins are LEGAL wither you like it or not.. Todd N9OGL ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
"Language replaced grunting, burping and farting as forms of communication."
Huh? That is a common form of syntax used on 75 meters provided it's broken into Morse(L) sized bites. -- For music, news and commentary you are not allowed to hear on corporate owned radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/pascoradio To see what's currently scheduled: http://www.live365.com/broadcast/sch...ame=pascoradio First Time Users May Be asked To Do A 1 Time Setup. The service and the player are FREE. Email me if you have problems listening. |
Todd Daugherty N9OGL wrote:
"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Todd Daugherty wrote: I'm running an information bulletin you dickhead and no matter what the **** you think their ****ing legal so get over it! Toddyboy, why don't you go away until you pass through puberty and become mature enough to post something of revelance without the use of jr. highschool language? Well if I didn't have to talk to a bunch of morons I wouldn't have to uses such language. None of those you refer to as "a bunch of morons" use such language to you. If I understand you, you are being forced to use the language because others aren't taking your ideas seriously. And FYI I'm currently in college working on my degree what about you? You were able to graduate from high school with your writing skills and were accepted into a college? Do you really think that makes anyone take your rantings more seriously? NOT!!!!!!!! Do you REALLY think I care what a bunch of appliance using CB operators think....HELL NO! CB operators? You're in the wrong newsgroup. Appliance ops? Almost all of us use some or all commercial equipment these days, Todd. For me to build the equivalent of just my primary transceiver, it would need to be housed in a garden shed and would take up several years of spare time. Just so we know, what sets you aside from the rest of us? What gear do you currently use which you've designed or built yourself? Dave K8MN |
Todd Daugherty wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... N9OGL wrote: The old modes of communication isn't going to cut it anymore. They seem to be cutting it just fine, Todd. What new mode do you use in your clandestine "broadcasts"? I'm running an information bulletin you snipped and no matter what the snipped you think their snipped legal so get over it! Wow! That's quite a vocabulary, Todd. You've referred a number of times to your "broadcast". Your information bulletins are apparently quite hard to find. That would apparently limit their usefulness. Care to answer the question about what new modes you are using in delivering your broadcasts/information bulletins? The vast majority of people would rather get on the internet instead of getting into a hobby which has nothing to really offer in terms new modes of communication. The vast majority of people are never going to become hams. It has always been that way and will always be that way. No, not all people well get into amateur radio, but unless you can come up with new idea's the service will die. Not even a significant segment of "all people" has ever been a part of amateur radio. Do you see anything wrong with that? I was talking to other amatuers about this subject odd of the internet and agree that amateur radio will probably die off in a few years. Some people believe that we'll be ruled by a "New World Order" and that they should start hoarding can goods and MRE's. That doesn't mean that it is likely to happen. Your term "odd of the internet" might be a good description of the folks who believe such things. Many amateur radio operators can face the fact that amateur radio is slowly falling behind in technology and thus in turn is slowly dying off. You've managed to dump a couple of false premises in one sentence. You're wrong about technology and about amateur radio dying. Oh really, what NEW technologies has amatuer radio come up with worth getting into? Amateur are falling behind that's the truth. How about defending one wild idea at a time before moving on to the next? You didn't write anything earlier about amateur radio coming up with new technologies worth getting into, you wrote about amateur radio falling behind in technology. It isn't. Individual people who happen to be radio amateurs have often been on the cutting edge of technological development. "Amateur Radio" as a whole doesn't create technology. Individuals do. Amateur radio will not grow if you can't get people into the service. Amateur radio licensing numbers are near an all time high. Not true, according to the statistics last year amateur radio went up and down in the number of people entering the service. last month it was down by over 1,000 people. What percentage of 600,000 or so individuals is 1,000? Do you think that 599,000 people is near an all time high number of American radio amateurs? You can drop the licensing structure down to nothing but no one will come into a hobby without dated modes of communication. I'm too busy laughing at your sentence to give you a serious reply, Todd. Anything further on those hobbies without dated modes of communication? Dave K8MN |
N9OGL wrote: The point of the argument is for amateur's radio to grow amateurs are going to have to compete with the internet. Nothing new about that! Amateur radio has always had to compete with other pastimes ... TV, video games, baseball, stamp collecting, chasing girls (boys), skateboarding, fishing, ..... It's not an "either/or" deal. I have many pastimes .... amateur radio doesn't get tossed out the window because I gain some other new interest. Your point doesn't hold water. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Todd Daugherty N9OGL wrote:
"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Todd Daugherty wrote: I'm running an information bulletin you dickhead and no matter what the **** you think their ****ing legal so get over it! Toddyboy, why don't you go away until you pass through puberty and become mature enough to post something of revelance without the use of jr. highschool language? Well if I didn't have to talk to a bunch of morons I wouldn't have to uses such language. I think you have it backwards on just who the moron is. And FYI I'm currently in college working on my degree What degree is that, "how to be jerk"? what about you? Did that a long time ago toddyboy, but unlike you, I grew up before I did it too. Do you really think that makes anyone take your rantings more seriously? NOT!!!!!!!! Do you REALLY think I care what a bunch of appliance using CB operators think....HELL NO! Todd N9OGL Obviously you don't care what anyone thinks, but that's your problem, however your silly immature rantings do not impress anyone. Like I say, get through pimples and puberty, grow up to the point you can communicate like a mature adult without all the jr. highschool vulguarities, then maybe someone will take you half-way seriously. |
From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Thurs, Feb 24 2005 10:08 pm
Hams do contribute to the state of the art. Where do you think SSTV came from ? Just one example. Bell Labs and the "PicturePhone"? :-) Went into service on the Bell System over four decades ago, got deleted for lack of interest/use some years ago. Worked on a very limited bandwidth. The genesis of Slow-Scan TV began in several places. One could say its start was the first Facsimile...very slow data rate. A very close cousin was early television, also done at a very slow data rate considering their dependency on mechanical scanning. A few amateurs tried to advance into professional ranks with the mechanical scanning TV but none were successful. All that was before the USA got into WW2. During WW2, TV was rather limited but "wirephoto" facsimile got popular on wired communications circuits. A medium-scan-rate TV system was used on some experimental guided bombs late in WW2. "FAX" got its acronym-name during that war and was used for graphics such as weather maps sent out over HF radio circuits. With the end of WW2 began the virtual explosion of broadcast television and the availability of TV camera tubes, TV picture tubes, newer circuit technology (DuMont "flying spot" system, a sort of reversed light-subject-camera arrangement) and wide- band modulation (6 MHz in the USA, included audio). There began lots of research into Information Theory and Bandwidth in the late 1940s which resulted in insight to necessary bandwidths to maintain low error rates ("Shannon's Law" of 1948). Many different experiments began to send "live" TV at reduced bandwidths and the Bell "PicturePhone" was just such a system which did go into service in the NYC area. Information Theory got a few boosts from greater efforts of cryptologists during the Cold War trying to devise better codes for sensitive communications. Information Theory eventually morphed into the Motion Picture Experts Group (MPEG) which had formed about the same time as the explosion of the desktop personal computer during the 1980s. MPEG was based on earlier work using "blocks" of picture elements and their examination of redundancies plus the availability of new and better digital logic circuits to process the image blocks. Nearly all amateur "slow-scan TV" is little more than high-rate facsimile...on the order of the "PicturePhone" imaging. None of it is the moving picture quality found on the modern enhanced cellular telephones using MPEG compression-expansion of image data. "Modern television" (defined as all-electronic scanning) is wide bandwidth to preserve image quality. What is broadcast, even with old-style black-and-white "original" NTSC standards, is quite good. Any "NEMO" watcher (NEtwork MOnitor) viewing the direct input from a microwave relay link can tell you that. The same with the "air monitor" checking transmitted video. Early domestic-production TV receivers deliberately limited bandwidth to reduce costs, resulting in receiver picture quality being awful to poor compared with what was transmitted. The picture quality on amateur SSTV is approximately the same as early domestic-production TV receivers, but SSTV cannot handle motion nearly as well. Modern FAX standards use some data compression but that is limited. Picture quality there is reduced compared to what was possible with older, uncompressed facsimile. Amateur SSTV is NOT an "original" thing from hams but rather an adaptation to stay within shrinking RF spectrum on VHF and above available to amateurs. If it were ever standardized as to scan rates and bandwidth, there would be a chance for improvement. As it is, it remains a novelty, something good for the editors of QST to crow about. "PicturePhone" went into the dumpster long ago and SSTV will probably wind up there. |
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