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February 17th 05, 07:40 PM
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wrote in news:1108606123.450223.319640 @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com: wrote: Alun L. Palmer wrote: Yes, South Africa has abolished the code test! One more domino has fallen. How many countries does that make now, compared to those who still have it? A tiny fraction of the number of countries which are members of the UN and/or the ITU. About 10% as a matter of fact. A minority, but not quite my idea of a 'tiny' fraction. The point is, of course, that we are far from done yet. Canada may be next. One more out of 185 or so snore. Let's see here . . where's my sliderule . . . if four "dominoes" per year fall, which is about the current rate and the rate is maintained it'll be 2046 before the last code test requirement is dropped. snore=B2. Note that most of the countries on Alun's list are chunks of Old Europe and their syncophants where socialist gummint giveaways are rampant compared with the rest of the world. So you prefer totalitarian regimes instead? Don't be silly and don't whine. Nor does it include heavy hitters like the countries of the former Soviet bloc, Brazil, India and China. Those countries have large populations, but they don't they have the highest numbers of hams per head. Nonsense. What government has made the code/nocode decision based on it's number of hams per capita?? None of course. My point is that governments make these kinds of decisions based on their culture-based inclinations in such matters. Which is to say that the former Soviets, Brazil, India and China are not socialist giveaway swamps like Sweden, France and the rest and are far less likely to quit the code tests. Which in turn brings up the question about how many billions of people will probably continue to live under regimes which require code tests vs the number who will not require code tests. Gonna be a LOOONG time before the last code test disappears . . 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv I'm sure it will be a great comfort to you if the Russian Federation is the last to keep a code test. They are not my idea of anyone I would want to emulate, however. But emulating Sweden is OK huh?=20 =20 n3kip w3rv |
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February 18th 05, 05:56 PM
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Alun L. Palmer wrote: wrote in news:1108665611.010471.49400 @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: A tiny fraction of the number of countries which are members of the UN and/or the ITU. About 10% as a matter of fact. A minority, but not quite my idea of a 'tiny' fraction. The point is, of course, that we are far from done yet. Canada may be next. One more out of 185 or so snore. Let's see here . . where's my sliderule . . . if four "dominoes" per year fall, which is about the current rate and the rate is maintained it'll be 2046 before the last code test requirement is dropped. Most of those other 170+ are pretty small, although you choose to mention the big ones by name of course. Of course, because first of all it's the big countries which set trends at least regionally and it's their huge numbers of citizens who would potentially be most affected by changes in ham radio regs. Which is a whole different topic from the effects on their existing ham populations whatever their number. What you call Old Europe isn't socialist by any rational standards, unless you are an extreme neo-con republican? I'll take that as a yes. Don't because you couldn't be more wrong. My point is that governments make these kinds of decisions based on their culture-based inclinations in such matters. Which is to say that the former Soviets, Brazil, India and China are not socialist giveaway swamps like Sweden, France and the rest and are far less likely to quit the code tests. Last time I checked France and Sweden were capitalist countries and China was socialist. They're both socialist Alun. The only difference being that China uses the Marx/Lennin model and Sweden is the model for Old Europe socialism. As for Russia, the old communists seem to be taking over again, albeit they don't actually care what system they rule over, nor ever did, IMHO. Never in their thousand year history have the Russians lived in a democracy or a capitalist society, their genes need to be conditioned before they get their act together by western standards. In the meanwhile they're suffering from massive startup lumps and bumps which were predicted long before the Soviet Union actually imploded. Whatever this has to do with code tests. I'm sure it will be a great comfort to you if the Russian Federation is the last to keep a code test. They are not my idea of anyone I would want to emulate, however. But emulating Sweden is OK huh? n3kip w3rv Sure, why not? BINGO: There it is. Old Europe. Sez it all. Not in your lifetime Alun. 'Bye. w3rv |
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February 19th 05, 12:53 AM
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February 19th 05, 04:24 AM
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wrote in news:1108745797.245365.147250
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: Alun L. Palmer wrote: wrote in news:1108665611.010471.49400 @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: A tiny fraction of the number of countries which are members of the UN and/or the ITU. About 10% as a matter of fact. A minority, but not quite my idea of a 'tiny' fraction. The point is, of course, that we are far from done yet. Canada may be next. One more out of 185 or so snore. Let's see here . . where's my sliderule . . . if four "dominoes" per year fall, which is about the current rate and the rate is maintained it'll be 2046 before the last code test requirement is dropped. Most of those other 170+ are pretty small, although you choose to mention the big ones by name of course. Of course, because first of all it's the big countries which set trends at least regionally and it's their huge numbers of citizens who would potentially be most affected by changes in ham radio regs. Which is a whole different topic from the effects on their existing ham populations whatever their number. What you call Old Europe isn't socialist by any rational standards, unless you are an extreme neo-con republican? I'll take that as a yes. Don't because you couldn't be more wrong. My point is that governments make these kinds of decisions based on their culture-based inclinations in such matters. Which is to say that the former Soviets, Brazil, India and China are not socialist giveaway swamps like Sweden, France and the rest and are far less likely to quit the code tests. Last time I checked France and Sweden were capitalist countries and China was socialist. They're both socialist Alun. The only difference being that China uses the Marx/Lennin model and Sweden is the model for Old Europe socialism. As for Russia, the old communists seem to be taking over again, albeit they don't actually care what system they rule over, nor ever did, IMHO. Never in their thousand year history have the Russians lived in a democracy or a capitalist society, their genes need to be conditioned before they get their act together by western standards. In the meanwhile they're suffering from massive startup lumps and bumps which were predicted long before the Soviet Union actually imploded. Whatever this has to do with code tests. I'm sure it will be a great comfort to you if the Russian Federation is the last to keep a code test. They are not my idea of anyone I would want to emulate, however. But emulating Sweden is OK huh? n3kip w3rv Sure, why not? BINGO: There it is. Old Europe. Sez it all. Not in your lifetime Alun. 'Bye. w3rv We have very different political views. I don't know how you would classify yourself, but by European standards you are very far to the right indeed, as by no stretch is Sweden a socialist country. As for myself, I used to be a card carrying member of the Conservative and Unionist Party in the UK, but I freely admit that I have drifted leftwards since then, very likely as a result of seeing at first hand the huge social inequalities in the USA. If it's called being a socialist to think that the ordinary working man should be able to get medical care without courting bankruptcy, then I suppose that makes me a socialist, but if you actually look in a dictionary, then you will see that I am not, and neither are the Swedes. socialism // n. 1 a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the community as a whole should own and control the means of production, distribution, and exchange. 2 policy or practice based on this theory. socialist n. & adj. socialistic // adj. socialistically // adv. [French socialisme (as social)] |
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February 22nd 05, 06:53 PM
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Alun L. Palmer wrote: wrote in news:1108745797.245365.147250 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: Alun L. Palmer wrote: wrote in news:1108665611.010471.49400 @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: But emulating Sweden is OK huh? n3kip w3rv Sure, why not? BINGO: There it is. Old Europe. Sez it all. Not in your lifetime Alun. 'Bye. w3rv We have very different political views. OBVIOUSLY. I don't know how you would classify yourself, but by European standards you are very far to the right indeed, I'm a centrist Republican a la Sen. Arlen Specter, a member of a disapperaing breed. Ted Kennedy is a right-winger by Old Europe standards. Welcome to America. as by no stretch is Sweden a socialist country. Blather. It's a country which uses it's outrageous taxes on it's few monster "capitalist" smokestack industries to hand out socialist entitlements to it's population on a scale unheard of in any other country. Entitlments being the heart of socialism in all it's forms. Sven the fender-hanger at the SAAB plant didn't "feel good" yesterday so he stayed home and watched the tube. No problem, he got paid anyway under Swedish law. SAAB plant payrolls are bloated by 20% percent per unit out the door vs. the U.S & Japan because 20% of the SAAB workers "call in sick" every day. Absolute fact. GM got stupid and bought SAAB mostly to save the marque otherwise SAAB would have died years ago but GM is now mulling a pullout to cut their losses. The outflow of capital from Sweden to other countries has been appalling, check out the numbers and why it's happening and what the Swedish government is doing to stanch the bleeding. I can no doubt go ten blocks around the compass from here in the suburbs of Philadelphia and find more businesses with ten or fewer employees than you'll find in all of Sweden. Why is that Alun?? Could it be that Swedish socialist economics stifles entrepreneurial capitalism which is the engine behind the astounding growth of the U.S. economy for over two centuries? Of course it is. As for myself, I used to be a card carrying member of the Conservative and Unionist Party in the UK, but I freely admit that I have drifted leftwards since then, very likely as a result of seeing at first hand the huge social inequalities in the USA. Certainly there are social inequalities in the U.S. The original Constitution plus it's Bill of Rights guarantees equality in all elections and in all courts in this country and nothing more. Translates into a system in which the fate of individuals depends on what they freely choose to do or not do with their lives. Those who choose to be slackers suffer the consequences they freely imposed on themselves so of course we wind up with "social inequalities" galore. By your leftist standards our system has too many freedoms. If it's called being a socialist to think that the ordinary working man should be able to get medical care without courting bankruptcy, then I suppose that makes me a socialist, but if you actually look in a dictionary, then you will see that I am not, and neither are the Swedes. See above. socialism // n. 1 a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the community as a whole should own and control the means of production, distribution, and exchange. Oh**** . . the second coming of Cecil and his friggin' dictionaries . . ! 2 policy or practice based on this theory. socialist n. & adj. socialistic // adj. socialistically // adv. [French socialisme (as social)] w3rv |
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February 22nd 05, 07:49 PM
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Alun L. Palmer wrote: wrote in news:1108745797.245365.147250 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: Alun L. Palmer wrote: wrote in news:1108665611.010471.49400 @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: But emulating Sweden is OK huh? n3kip w3rv Sure, why not? BINGO: There it is. Old Europe. Sez it all. Not in your lifetime Alun. 'Bye. w3rv We have very different political views. OBVIOUSLY. I don't know how you would classify yourself, but by European standards you are very far to the right indeed, I'm a centrist Republican a la Sen. Arlen Specter, a member of a disapperaing breed. Sadly disappearing! Ted Kennedy is a right-winger by Old Europe standards. Yup. Welcome to America. as by no stretch is Sweden a socialist country. Blather. It's a country which uses it's outrageous taxes on it's few monster "capitalist" smokestack industries to hand out socialist entitlements to it's population on a scale unheard of in any other country. Entitlments being the heart of socialism in all it's forms. Sven the fender-hanger at the SAAB plant didn't "feel good" yesterday so he stayed home and watched the tube. No problem, he got paid anyway under Swedish law. SAAB plant payrolls are bloated by 20% percent per unit out the door vs. the U.S & Japan because 20% of the SAAB workers "call in sick" every day. Absolute fact. GM got stupid and bought SAAB mostly to save the marque otherwise SAAB would have died years ago but GM is now mulling a pullout to cut their losses. The outflow of capital from Sweden to other countries has been appalling, check out the numbers and why it's happening and what the Swedish government is doing to stanch the bleeding. The reason the whole thing didn't collapse right away was that the smokestacks are/were big exporters, bringing in hard currency. I can no doubt go ten blocks around the compass from here in the suburbs of Philadelphia and find more businesses with ten or fewer employees than you'll find in all of Sweden. Why is that Alun?? Could it be that Swedish socialist economics stifles entrepreneurial capitalism which is the engine behind the astounding growth of the U.S. economy for over two centuries? Of course it is. As for myself, I used to be a card carrying member of the Conservative and Unionist Party in the UK, but I freely admit that I have drifted leftwards since then, very likely as a result of seeing at first hand the huge social inequalities in the USA. Certainly there are social inequalities in the U.S. The original Constitution plus it's Bill of Rights guarantees equality in all elections and in all courts in this country and nothing more. Translates into a system in which the fate of individuals depends on what they freely choose to do or not do with their lives. Those who choose to be slackers suffer the consequences they freely imposed on themselves so of course we wind up with "social inequalities" galore. Equality of rights and opportunities - not equality of outcomes. Add in some other points about Sweden: Compared to the USA, it's tiny in both population and land area. Also virtually homogeneous (again compared to the USA). 'Diversity' means something very different in Sweden. Heck, they split with Norway after less than 100 years of alliance IIRC. It's relatively easy and simple for a community/society to 'work' if it's small and uniform. USA is neither, and never has been. By your leftist standards our system has too many freedoms. If it's called being a socialist to think that the ordinary working man should be able to get medical care without courting bankruptcy, then I suppose that makes me a socialist, but if you actually look in a dictionary, then you will see that I am not, and neither are the Swedes. See above. Health care is only one issue. Is W3RV's info about SAAB accurate or not? Should American industry work the same way? socialism // n. 1 a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the community as a whole should own and control the means of production, distribution, and exchange. Oh**** . . the second coming of Cecil and his friggin' dictionaries . .. ! 2 policy or practice based on this theory. socialist n. & adj. socialistic // adj. socialistically // adv. [French socialisme (as social)] "community as a whole" = "the government" Sure seems to fit! 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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March 8th 05, 04:21 PM
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wrote: wrote: Alun L. Palmer wrote: wrote in news:1108745797.245365.147250 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: Alun L. Palmer wrote: wrote in news:1108665611.010471.49400 @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: But emulating Sweden is OK huh? n3kip w3rv Sure, why not? BINGO: There it is. Old Europe. Sez it all. Not in your lifetime Alun. 'Bye. w3rv We have very different political views. OBVIOUSLY. I don't know how you would classify yourself, but by European standards you are very far to the right indeed, I'm a centrist Republican a la Sen. Arlen Specter, a member of a disapperaing breed. Sadly disappearing! Ted Kennedy is a right-winger by Old Europe standards. Yup. Welcome to America. as by no stretch is Sweden a socialist country. Blather. It's a country which uses it's outrageous taxes on it's few monster "capitalist" smokestack industries to hand out socialist entitlements to it's population on a scale unheard of in any other country. Entitlments being the heart of socialism in all it's forms. Sven the fender-hanger at the SAAB plant didn't "feel good" yesterday so he stayed home and watched the tube. No problem, he got paid anyway under Swedish law. SAAB plant payrolls are bloated by 20% percent per unit out the door vs. the U.S & Japan because 20% of the SAAB workers "call in sick" every day. Absolute fact. GM got stupid and bought SAAB mostly to save the marque otherwise SAAB would have died years ago but GM is now mulling a pullout to cut their losses. The outflow of capital from Sweden to other countries has been appalling, check out the numbers and why it's happening and what the Swedish government is doing to stanch the bleeding. The reason the whole thing didn't collapse right away was that the smokestacks are/were big exporters, bringing in hard currency. I can no doubt go ten blocks around the compass from here in the suburbs of Philadelphia and find more businesses with ten or fewer employees than you'll find in all of Sweden. Why is that Alun?? Could it be that Swedish socialist economics stifles entrepreneurial capitalism which is the engine behind the astounding growth of the U.S. economy for over two centuries? Of course it is. As for myself, I used to be a card carrying member of the Conservative and Unionist Party in the UK, but I freely admit that I have drifted leftwards since then, very likely as a result of seeing at first hand the huge social inequalities in the USA. Certainly there are social inequalities in the U.S. The original Constitution plus it's Bill of Rights guarantees equality in all elections and in all courts in this country and nothing more. Translates into a system in which the fate of individuals depends on what they freely choose to do or not do with their lives. Those who choose to be slackers suffer the consequences they freely imposed on themselves so of course we wind up with "social inequalities" galore. Equality of rights and opportunities - not equality of outcomes. Add in some other points about Sweden: Compared to the USA, it's tiny in both population and land area. Also virtually homogeneous (again compared to the USA). 'Diversity' means something very different in Sweden. Heck, they split with Norway after less than 100 years of alliance IIRC. Rather, it was the Norwegians who split. And as everyone knows, they ARE weird. It's relatively easy and simple for a community/society to 'work' if it's small and uniform. USA is neither, and never has been. By your leftist standards our system has too many freedoms. If it's called being a socialist to think that the ordinary working man should be able to get medical care without courting bankruptcy, then I suppose that makes me a socialist, but if you actually look in a dictionary, then you will see that I am not, and neither are the Swedes. See above. Health care is only one issue. Is W3RV's info about SAAB accurate or not? Should American industry work the same way? American industry works in the way that the government ensures they have no competition. And if the industries become unprofitable anyway, the government pumps money into it to keep it afloat. This is unlike, for instance, Sweden, where they have this thing called a "market economy" which means that if a company cannot survive in competition with other companies, the company will simply die. On the other hand, it's easier and less bureaucratic to start a new company in Sweden. The way Swedes see it, what the United States has is a more socialist system than Sweden has. And the Swedish government always tries to make other countries realize that a market economic system would be good for them. Unfortunately most people seem to be strong believers in socialism. socialism // n. 1 a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the community as a whole should own and control the means of production, distribution, and exchange. Oh**** . . the second coming of Cecil and his friggin' dictionaries .. . ! 2 policy or practice based on this theory. socialist n. & adj. socialistic // adj. socialistically // adv. [French socialisme (as social)] "community as a whole" = "the government" Sure seems to fit! 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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