From: "Dee Flint" on Sat, Mar 12 2005 8:32 am

"K4YZ" wrote in message
roups.com...

wrote:

btw, when cb required a license, there was an age requirement.
I think it was 18, but it could have been 15 - I'm not 100% sure
because I was never involved in cb. Yet that age requirement didn't
help cb's problems...

It was because 18 is the "age of majority" for most legal
purposes. A minor couldn't be held liable.

Why it matters for CB and not for Amateur Radio is beyond me.

I wonder if that is perhaps because ham radio goes back to a time when

people were believed to be responsible at a younger age even though
they may
or may not have been able to sign contracts, etc. That was a time
when
completing the 8th grade was still considered sufficient for most
people and
they often then went to full time work rather than going on to more
schooling. They were considered adults at least functionally if not
legally. Even quite young children sometimes worked instead of going
to
school.

Tsk. "Ham" radio existed prior to 1920 and the
ratification of the 19th Amendment to the U.S.
Constitution. [hint: women got the right to vote]

The voting age of U.S. citizens was lowered to 18
in 1971 with ratification of the 26th Amendment.

On the other hand, CB was set up at a time when people were expected
to stay
in school through high school and people's perceptions changed that
teenagers were still children rather than people in the early stages
of
becoming adults.

"CB" (as you morseaholics know it only on the 11
meter band) was created in 1958.

So, teenagers are NOT expected to go to school
nowadays?!?!?

Of course this is all just speculation but it's fun to think about.

Tsk. Everyone is losing it while having a gay
old time personally attacking one individual in
here. :-)

Perhaps Len wants amateur radio to be more like cb...

Perhaps because Len epitomizes CBers...?!?!

It's impossible to tell from his postings.

Really? ALL because I advocate an elimination of
the morse code test for an amateur radio license?

"Incroyable!" shouted the illegal 6 meter Frenchman.

It would appear not that he wants it like CB but that he hates amateur
radio and amateur radio
operators.

Tsk. Are you feeling abused? Not loved because
you do morse code and find out few others care?

Perk yourself up, buy some clothes. I heard there
are some neat things on Ebay. Like long-sleeved
tees with neat little morse code phrases on them.
Better hurry and get your bid in...lots of beefy
morsemen are clamoring for that tee, paying good
bucks to look sexy. :-)

Or, you can form your own HATE group, targeting
evil, wicked, mean and nasty CB! Shout to the
world that they are the Antichrist of Radio,
illegal lawbreakers all who are the spawn of
satan! Write your congresscritter today!

So...ALL who do not like morse code ALL HATE
amateur radio operators? Of course you think so.
You are a morseman (in the gender neutral case,
of course...with morse no one can hear your
orgasmic screams of delight when you get "good
copy").

Join FISTS. Let your love begin! :-)

From Brian Burke on Sat, Mar 12, 9:23 am

wrote:
Ever read the book "Radio Rescue"? True story:

Back in the early 1920s, a young boy in New York City became
the youngest ham in the country, being licensed at 10 or 11
years of age. He and his ham station were instrumental in
emergency communications during a Florida hurricane - all before
he was 14.

Len would have forbid him from getting a license.

There is no law that forbids anyone the use of amateur radio in a life

or death emergency.

Irrelevant to Jimmy Who, Brian, he lives IN the past.

Indicative of that is writing "...would have forbid"
instead of the usual (proper) way of past tense in
saying "...would have forbade."

Jimmy was THERE, saving the world through ham radio
valiantly fighting all oppressors with his mighty
macho morse key.

1920 was 85 years ago. A few things have changed
in public safety agencies in those 85 years...
except in the romance novels of amateur radio
where Kode is King and it always works through
all emergencies, etc., etc., etc.

If we don't love, honor, cherish, and obey the
mighty macho morsemen, we "HATE" them and "all of
amateur radio," too! :-(

From Brian Burke on Sat, Mar 12, 9:33 am:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

You would deny licenses to people based solely on age, without
*any* evidence of age-related problems.

That's just plain wrong.

But we'll never see agreement on that from Leonard.


Would an arbitrary barrier, such as an age 14 barrier, have prevented
either you or Jim from obtaining an amateur license?

Absolutely! They KNEW in advance all the glory,
majesty, nobility of amateur radio and its
attendant rank, title, privileges well before
age 14! They were destined for Greatness from
birth and, to this day, demand all love and respect
their royal titles.

All through loving, cherishing, honoring, and
obeying (the league on) morsemanship!

Kelly has already gone on record as having began his amateur career
sans any licensing whatsoever.

The Katapult King is above the law. He is from
Philly where all eat hoagies and fill their autos
with "gaz!" :-)

If we don't love, honor, cherish, and obey the
Mighty Macho Moresemen, we all "HATE" amateur
radio!

Tsk, tsk.

bb wrote:

wrote:

Ever read the book "Radio Rescue"? True story:

Back in the early 1920s, a young boy in New York City became
the youngest ham in the country, being licensed at 10 or 11
years of age. He and his ham station were instrumental in
emergency communications during a Florida hurricane - all before
he was 14.

Len would have forbid him from getting a license.

There is no law that forbids anyone the use of amateur radio in a life
or death emergency.

That's right, "bb". All the guy would have to have done would be to
quickly learn to send and receive morse code and put together or find
some radio equipment and learn to use it--all very straightforward.

Dave K8MN

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

You would deny licenses to people based solely on age, without
*any* evidence of age-related problems.

That's just plain wrong.

But we'll never see agreement on that from Leonard.

Dave K8MN

Would an arbitrary barrier, such as an age 14 barrier, have prevented
either you or Jim from obtaining an amateur license?

You must not be reading much of the material. Jim stated that he
obtained his license at thirteen. Would a minimum age of fourteen have
prevented his obtaining an amateur radio license at thirteen? You bet.

I obtained my license at age fourteen. How could a minimum age of
fourteen have presented a problem?

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

You would deny licenses to people based solely on age, without
*any* evidence of age-related problems.

That's just plain wrong.

But we'll never see agreement on that from Leonard.

Dave K8MN

Would an arbitrary barrier, such as an age 14 barrier, have
prevented
either you or Jim from obtaining an amateur license?

You must not be reading much of the material.

Correct. What clued you in? Perhaps the question I asked???

You know, I don't hang on every word that Jim types.

Jim stated that he
obtained his license at thirteen.

Which I did not read. Thus the question. See how it works???

Would a minimum age of fourteen have
prevented his obtaining an amateur radio license at thirteen? You
bet.

Not if he had approached amateur radio like Brian Kelly/W3RV did.

I obtained my license at age fourteen. How could a minimum age of
fourteen have presented a problem?

Dave K8MN

It wouldn't have, David. You are an outsider WRT such an age
restriction, so I don't know why you are concerned.

wrote:
From Brian Burke on Sat, Mar 12, 9:33 am:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

You would deny licenses to people based solely on age, without
*any* evidence of age-related problems.

That's just plain wrong.

But we'll never see agreement on that from Leonard.


Would an arbitrary barrier, such as an age 14 barrier, have
prevented
either you or Jim from obtaining an amateur license?

Absolutely! They KNEW in advance all the glory,
majesty, nobility of amateur radio and its
attendant rank, title, privileges well before
age 14! They were destined for Greatness from
birth and, to this day, demand all love and respect
their royal titles.

All through loving, cherishing, honoring, and
obeying (the league on) morsemanship!

I just don't know why these guys get so concerned over arbitrary
requirements, especially when they don't affect them.

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

You would deny licenses to people based solely on age, without
*any* evidence of age-related problems.

That's just plain wrong.

But we'll never see agreement on that from Leonard.

Would an arbitrary barrier, such as an age 14 barrier, have
prevented
either you or Jim from obtaining an amateur license?

You must not be reading much of the material.

Correct. What clued you in? Perhaps the question I asked???


You know, I don't hang on every word that Jim types.

Jim stated that he
obtained his license at thirteen.

Which I did not read. Thus the question. See how it works???

I certainly do. You have comments and questions but haven't bothered to
read the material.

Would a minimum age of fourteen have
prevented his obtaining an amateur radio license at thirteen? You
bet.

Not if he had approached amateur radio like Brian Kelly/W3RV did.

You'll likely want to take that issue up with W3RV. Make sure you've
read all the applicable material.

I obtained my license at age fourteen. How could a minimum age of
fourteen have presented a problem?

It wouldn't have, David. You are an outsider WRT such an age
restriction, so I don't know why you are concerned.

Guess what, "bb", there's likely another piece of information of which
you are not aware. There was no age limit for amateur radio licensing
when I obtained my license. Despite the efforts of Leonard H. Anderson,
the FCC has still not seen fit to impose a minimum age limit.

Good luck on your quest for knowledge.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

You would deny licenses to people based solely on age,
without
*any* evidence of age-related problems.

That's just plain wrong.

But we'll never see agreement on that from Leonard.

Would an arbitrary barrier, such as an age 14 barrier, have
prevented
either you or Jim from obtaining an amateur license?

You must not be reading much of the material.

Correct. What clued you in? Perhaps the question I asked???


You know, I don't hang on every word that Jim types.

Jim stated that he
obtained his license at thirteen.

Which I did not read. Thus the question. See how it works???

I certainly do. You have comments and questions but haven't bothered
to
read the material.

Jim's complaint concerns Len's wish for an arbitrary age 14 requirement
into the amateur service.

Would a minimum age of fourteen have
prevented his obtaining an amateur radio license at thirteen?
You
bet.

Not if he had approached amateur radio like Brian Kelly/W3RV did.

You'll likely want to take that issue up with W3RV. Make sure you've
read all the applicable material.

Kelly has stated that his first amateur experience was as a bootlegger.
How much more discussion is required?

I obtained my license at age fourteen. How could a minimum age
of
fourteen have presented a problem?

It wouldn't have, David. You are an outsider WRT such an age
restriction, so I don't know why you are concerned.

Guess what, "bb", there's likely another piece of information of
which
you are not aware. There was no age limit for amateur radio
licensing
when I obtained my license. Despite the efforts of Leonard H.
Anderson,
the FCC has still not seen fit to impose a minimum age limit.

So don't concern yourself. Len's suggestion never has and never will
affect you.

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

Jim stated that he
obtained his license at thirteen.

Which I did not read. Thus the question. See how it works???

I certainly do. You have comments and questions but haven't bothered
to
read the material.

Jim's complaint concerns Len's wish for an arbitrary age 14 requirement
into the amateur service.

So you got the first part but seemingly missed some vital information.

Would a minimum age of fourteen have
prevented his obtaining an amateur radio license at thirteen?
You
bet.

Not if he had approached amateur radio like Brian Kelly/W3RV did.

You'll likely want to take that issue up with W3RV. Make sure you've
read all the applicable material.

Kelly has stated that his first amateur experience was as a bootlegger.
How much more discussion is required?

None with me.

I obtained my license at age fourteen. How could a minimum age
of
fourteen have presented a problem?

It wouldn't have, David. You are an outsider WRT such an age
restriction, so I don't know why you are concerned.

Guess what, "bb", there's likely another piece of information of
which
you are not aware. There was no age limit for amateur radio
licensing
when I obtained my license. Despite the efforts of Leonard H.
Anderson,
the FCC has still not seen fit to impose a minimum age limit.

So don't concern yourself. Len's suggestion never has and never will
affect you.

Any changes made to amateur radio regulation effect those who are
already licensed.

Dave K8MN