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March 15th 05, 04:52 AM
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From: "bb" on Mon, Mar 14 2005 6:01 pm
wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: Dave Heil wrote: Dave, You're missing some basic points about this minimum-age- requirement idea. First off, there has never been such a requirement in the USA. Not even back before WW1. Correct. Also, many other countries which once had age requirements (like Canada) have abandoned them. Dissimilarly, other countries which once had a morse code exam requirement are to be ignored or discredited, South Africa... Quite true, Brian, but that is NOT what this thread is about. :-) Tsk, tsk...Jimmie Miccolis can't bear it when his noble league-speak isn't accepted as Ultimate Truth in ham radio so he tries to manufacture an ISSUE based on attempts to denigrate an NCTA in here. We may have to call him "Misdirection Miccolis," privately, of course since he is a lofty, noble, royal amateur extra. Len Anderson, who requested the age requirement of FCC and who has a self-admitted problem with young people being licensed, has been repeatedly asked to provide evidence - any evidence - that there is some sort of problem caused by lack of an age requirement. Len has never come up with any proof for his assertion of ARRL dishonesty either. I didn't ask for proof. Just evidence. Len has not provided *any* evidence in either case. So people now have to have evidence for why they want an arbitrary licensing requirement? Absolutely, Brian! Tsk, some of these PCTAs want to take code test elimination to the highest courts in the land! :-) Never mind that my source of information (and cute picture) of those two "youngest hams in the world" at 6 years old was the ARRL News, on their website. Jimmie wanna say I "lie." Jimmie is of the opinion that ANY toddler (with a ham license) ALWAYS behaves and could never, ever do anything wrong on the air. Neither do such toddlers EVER cause trouble on a playground or with their parents in super- markets, etc., etc., etc. Of course, if such code-tested kids grow up to be extras then they will be beyond reproach! PCTA extras can never ever be charged with ANY impropriety! He has provided no evidence at all of such problems. Nor has anyone else. That'd likely be because there is no such evidence in existence. Yep. Oh, my! Tsk, tsk. The league continues to Sin by Omission on much of its "news." Such "evidence" is glaringly in view by comparing REAL news sources output about an event also "reported" by the league. The league is the league and beyond reproach. None may gainsay a thing nasty about them. The league is holy. As a diversion, it has been suggested that such an age requirement would not affect most hams today, such as you (K8MN) and Steve (K4YZ). The clear implication is that you shouldn't oppose it because you're over 14, and were at least 14 when you were first licensed. But there's a clear contradiction in that diversion, because the person demanding the age restriction is way over the age of 14, so it won't affect him, either. It remains that it has not been demonstrated that such a rule change would be a positive thing. It's quite clear that it would be a negative thing. Proof? Evidence? Jimmie needs NO "proof." He points to ham radio as it is and says "It ain't broke, don't fix it!" There we have it. Absolute. Jimmie is one of the Lawgivers. In fact, if we follow the logic of 'it doesn't affect you', it could be argued that since Len Anderson obvioulsy doesn't want an amateur license, he has no real grounds for complaint at all. To be completely fair to Len, he does not desire an amateur radio license at this time. He changes his view from time to time on whether he desires an amateur radio license. That is certainly a more accurate way of saying it. However, please note that at no time has Len's desire for an amateur radio license reached the point where he actually obtained one. So it cannot be much of a desire even at its greatest. Perhaps the desire to implement an arbitrary licensing requirement on the American amateur radio community is stronger? Careful, Brian, you are making negative criticsm on one of the Lawgivers, a god of radio. By their virtue of being PCTA extras, gods of radio like Jimmie KNOW EVERYTHING and what they KNOW is the TRUTH. Look in other threads in this newsgroup. Jimmie KNOWS about things having NOTHING to do with amateur radio and doesn't hesitate to tell the world he is "right." Never mind that Jimmie has NEVER been IN government or in national party politics, he KNOWS it all without EVER being IN government nor expressing any desire to be IN government or national politics. Tsk, tsk, tsk...I've never claimed to be IN amateur radio since I began advocating the elimination of the morse code test. [over two decades ago, by the way] His only apparent involvement in amateur radio is spouting off bull****, nonsense and abuse on usenet, and in general acting like a complete jackass. His sole follower simply performs a variation on his themes. Why bother with them? Len believes that by commenting to the FCC in regard to amateur radio regulations and by doing whatever it is that he does here, he is somehow participating in amateur radio itself. Just a matter of semantics. I'm sure Chairman Powell never gave it much thought. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Whover big badass dave and Jimmie are mind-reading, it sure isn't me. :-) It would seem that Jimmie's only apparent involvement in government and politics is spouting off bull****, nonsense and abuse on usenet, and in general acting like a complete jackass. Jimmie has NO government office position nor does he have ANY "in" with national party politics, has never ever served in the United States military, has never ever been IN the aerospace business...yet he KNOWS all about that and doesn't hesitate to claim "authority" and a noble, even royal judgemental capability on all who dare speak against his NON-ham-radio opinions! There's no good reason for a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio license in the USA. We have more than 90 years of evidence to back that up. You'd think that if a problem existed, it would have manifested itself by now. Yep. But it hasn't. And as previously mentioned, the cb service had such a rule, but it was not effective in keeping that service well-behaved and law-abiding. Jim, you're unlikely to be able to reason out how an arbitrary licensing requirement will manifest itself. That is the beauty of arbitrary requirements. Brian, he just CANNOT change his mind. Further, Jimmie is a Lawgiver and KNOWS what is "right" and what is "wrong." Anyone who says the least thing negative about what Jimmie considers "right" is thus automatically "wrong." It's as simple as that. :-) But, we can't disturb this god of radio right now. He is very busy manufacturing a mountain out of a molehill right now. He wants to make an "example" of something I wrote to the FCC over six years ago, possibly preparing a writ for submission to the Supreme Court or something... What a waste of time he be. |
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March 16th 05, 03:15 PM
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March 16th 05, 03:45 PM
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#215
March 17th 05, 10:54 AM
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: From: "bb" on Mon, Mar 14 2005 6:01 pm wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: Dave Heil wrote: Len has never come up with any proof for his assertion of ARRL dishonesty either. I didn't ask for proof. Just evidence. Len has not provided *any* evidence in either case. So people now have to have evidence for why they want an arbitrary licensing requirement? Absolutely, Brian! Tsk, some of these PCTAs want to take code test elimination to the highest courts in the land! :-) One of the guiding principles of US lawmaking is that there must be a reason for every law. IOW, evidence that a law solves or prevents a problem. What problem does an age requirement for a ham license solve? Never mind that my source of information (and cute picture) of those two "youngest hams in the world" at 6 years old was the ARRL News, on their website. The fact that some 6 year olds passed ham license tests is not evidence of any problem. Nor is it evidence of dishonesty. I think Len is jealous of those children. Jimmie wanna say I "lie." Who is "Jimmie"? Can't be me. Your source of information for what, Leonard? Removal of morse testing? Proof of ARRL dishonesty? Jimmie Who is "Jimmie"? is of the opinion that ANY toddler (with a ham license) ALWAYS behaves and could never, ever do anything wrong on the air. Well, that can't be me. I've never written anything even remotely like that. Also, six-year-olds aren't "toddlers". That term refers to children in the 1-3 year old range, at most. Once again, Len makes a telling mistake. Len has also not provided any evidence of a problem caused by lack of a license age requirement. His proposed age requirement would bar people more than double the age of a six-year-old from any class of ham license - for no reason except for Len's admitted problems with integrating youngsters into what *he* considers adult activities. IOW, it's *his* problem. Neither do such toddlers EVER cause trouble on a playground or with their parents in super- markets, etc., etc., etc. Six year olds aren't toddlers. Nor are 13 year olds. Len behaves like a toddler in here, though. ;-) ;-) There is plenty of proof that adults cause enforcement problems in amateur radio. Can you come up with any proof that amateur radio ops who are children have caused any enforcement problems? Apparently not. Thus the misdirection by Len. Of course, if such code-tested kids grow up to be extras then they will be beyond reproach! PCTA extras can never ever be charged with ANY impropriety! Really? Have you found the mother lode of "special" mushrooms? No, Len just got a new shovel. Tsk, tsk. The league continues to Sin by Omission on much of its "news." Such "evidence" is glaringly in view by comparing REAL news sources output about an event also "reported" by the league. See? Isn't the ARRL a REAL source of amateur radio news? Have you made a Sin of Commission? Glaringly in view? You're "reportedly" a PROFESSIONAL writer. Tsk, tsk. The league is the league and beyond reproach. None may gainsay a thing nasty about them. The league is holy. The ARRL is just something else you in which you play no part. Like rearing children. By their virtue of being PCTA extras, gods of radio like Jimmie KNOW EVERYTHING and what they KNOW is the TRUTH. Who is "Jimmie"? Perhaps it's one of Len's alter-egos, because he sure seems to consider himself to be the above description. I thought you believed it to be the TRVTH. Do you KNOW EVERYTHING? Look in other threads in this newsgroup. Jimmie KNOWS about things having NOTHING to do with amateur radio and doesn't hesitate to tell the world he is "right." ...and feel free to look at any number of other thread in this newsgroup where you purport to KNOW all about amateur radio. Your mistake and factual errors are legend. Never mind that Jimmie has NEVER been IN government or in national party politics, he KNOWS it all without EVER being IN government nor expressing any desire to be IN government or national politics. Have you EVER been IN government, Len? Do you KNOW all about party politics? Have you ever stated that you'd win a political election "right of the box"? Tsk, tsk, tsk...I've never claimed to be IN amateur radio since I began advocating the elimination of the morse code test. [over two decades ago, by the way] How very peculiar. You appoint yourself advocate for the removal of morse code testing for something in which you have no involvement and you stay with it for twenty years. In all that time, you've never attempted to pass an exam which would allow you to be a participant. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Pot...kettle.... There's no good reason for a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio license in the USA. We have more than 90 years of evidence to back that up. You'd think that if a problem existed, it would have manifested itself by now. Yep. But it hasn't. And as previously mentioned, the cb service had such a rule, but it was not effective in keeping that service well-behaved and law-abiding. Jim, you're unlikely to be able to reason out how an arbitrary licensing requirement will manifest itself. That is the beauty of arbitrary requirements. Brian, he just CANNOT change his mind. Can't be talking about me. I have changed my mind on many things. In your twenty years of self-appointed advocacy with regard to removal of the morse code test in amateur radio, were you ever able to change your mind on the issue? If not, it would appear that you CANNOT change your mind about the issue. There is evidence that you can easily change your mind about that "Extra right out of the box". But, we can't disturb this god of radio right now. He is very busy manufacturing a mountain out of a molehill right now. He wants to make an "example" of something I wrote to the FCC over six years ago, possibly preparing a writ for submission to the Supreme Court or something... It isn't a molehill, Leonard. You did write to the FCC in support of a minimum age for entry into amateur radio. There is no indication that you ever changed your mind on that subject. There as been no disavowal from you. Nor any evidence of problems caused by lack of an age limit, nor evidence of dishonesty by the VEs who gave the license exams to those six-year-olds. Len's "logic" boils down to this: - He thinks there's no way a six year old could pass the tests honestly. Never mind that he doesn't know the six-year-olds in question, nor has he ever passed any amateur exam, he simply KNOWS there must be "fraud" involved. - He thinks that even though there hasn't been an age requirement for a US ham license since the very beginning of such licensing 93 years ago, such a requirement MUST be added to the rules - even though he can present not a single case of a problem or enforcement action caused by the lack of such a requirement. I really do think he's jealous. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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#216
March 18th 05, 01:17 AM
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From: N2EY on Mar 17 2005 2:54 am
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: From: "bb" on Mon, Mar 14 2005 6:01 pm wrote: etc One of the guiding principles of US lawmaking is that there must be a reason for every law. IOW, evidence that a law solves or prevents a problem. The LAWGIVER has spoken! :-) What problem does an age requirement for a ham license solve? What FEDERAL CASE is Jimmie talking about? :-) The fact that some 6 year olds passed ham license tests is not evidence of any problem. Nor is it evidence of dishonesty. Again, the LAWGIVER has spoken!! I think Len is jealous of those children. ? Sounds like Jimmie has connected his earlobes to 115 VAC again to get an "electric radio thrill." Jimmie wanna say I "lie." Who is "Jimmie"? Can't be me. Jimmie is SO YOU! ...especially with that "cool" women's tee on! Well, that can't be me. I've never written anything even remotely like that. Riiiiight... :-) Also, six-year-olds aren't "toddlers". That term refers to children in the 1-3 year old range, at most. Once again, Len makes a telling mistake. "Chicago, Chicago, that toddlin' town..." Ever hear that song, sweetums? Or do you only listen to music that comes from east of Ohio? :-) "Toddlin'," a contraction of "toddler." Colloquial. Poor Jimmie is desperate to MANUFACTURE a "fault!" Len has also not provided any evidence of a problem caused by lack of a license age requirement. His proposed age requirement would bar people more than double the age of a six-year-old from any class of ham license - for no reason except for Len's admitted problems with integrating youngsters into what *he* considers adult activities. IOW, it's *his* problem. No, it's YOUR problem, sweetums. I made a SUGGESTION to the FCC that they filed on 13 January 1999. I've NOT pursued that since. But, a whole heap of ANAL-RETENTIVE PCTA extras are trying to make a broadway production out of that! Jay-suss, that's weird and wired. Apparently not. Thus the misdirection by Len. Jimmie the Miccolis wants to resort to Personal Denigration Misdirection again. Tsk. I've tried to drop the whole subject of "age requirements" and all you ANAL-RETENTIVE PCTA extras are trying out for the Spanish Inquisition again. The ARRL is just something else you in which you play no part. Like rearing children. Tsk, been there, done that, it should NOT matter in here. But, since it is SOOOOOOO important a history fact, please explain how MANY CHILDREN James P. Miccolis has "reared?" In or out of wedlock? We all DO hope when you wrote "reared" that you meant raising them... Remember that "reared" has another meaning...and something that is telling is a certain fondness for "cool" women's tees. Tsk, tsk, tsk. By their virtue of being PCTA extras, gods of radio like Jimmie KNOW EVERYTHING and what they KNOW is the TRUTH. Who is "Jimmie"? None other than JAMES P. MICCOLIS! :-) What does the "P" stand for? "Putz?" :-) How very peculiar. You appoint yourself advocate for the removal of morse code testing for something in which you have no involvement and you stay with it for twenty years. In all that time, you've never attempted to pass an exam which would allow you to be a participant. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Pot...kettle.... "Bill of Rights"...First Amendment of the United States Constitution... It is NOT necessary for anyone to be "licensed" in a particular radio service in order to Comment to the FCC about that radio service. U.S. amateur radio is not a "club" where all the rules and by-laws are set (and apparently kept forever) SOLELY by the club members. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Jim, you're unlikely to be able to reason out how an arbitrary licensing requirement will manifest itself. That is the beauty of arbitrary requirements. Brian, he just CANNOT change his mind. Can't be talking about me. I have changed my mind on many things. Tsk. Jimmie the Who can't seem to change his mind about DROPPING this so-called "controvrsy" over an age requirement I made as a SUGGESTION six years ago! However, Jimmie the Who hasn't presented any definitive details of those things he "changed his mind" about. It isn't a molehill, Leonard. You did write to the FCC in support of a minimum age for entry into amateur radio. There is no indication that you ever changed your mind on that subject. There as been no disavowal from you. Nor any evidence of problems caused by lack of an age limit, nor evidence of dishonesty by the VEs who gave the license exams to those six-year-olds. Tsk, Tsk, TSK! There is NO "requirement" to "disavow" anything written to the FCC at any time on any subject! This isn't a "federal case" up before any court, sweetums. You are dwelling on the subject wayyyyy too long for your own mental health. On "disavowals:" Move your vowels every day to avoid getting consonated... Len's "logic" boils down to this: No, no, no...Jimmie the Who's ATTEMPT TO DENIGRATE AND DEFAME someone "boils down to this," a collection of mistruths and usual PCTA extra bull**** where they try attacking someone who doesn't think like they do... - He thinks there's no way a six year old could pass the tests honestly. Never mind that he doesn't know the six-year-olds in question, nor has he ever passed any amateur exam, he simply KNOWS there must be "fraud" involved. Jimmie the Who is a TERRIBLE mind-reader! FAILURE! Jimmie the Who needs a psychiatric work-up since he can't understand the difference between OPINIONS and FACT...nor that OTHERS CAN HAVE EQUALLY-VALID *OPINIONS* that aren't HIS. - He thinks that even though there hasn't been an age requirement for a US ham license since the very beginning of such licensing 93 years ago, such a requirement MUST be added to the rules - even though he can present not a single case of a problem or enforcement action caused by the lack of such a requirement. Jimmie the Who needs a TRANQUILIZER or some such thing. Clearly, he CANNOT take an opposite opinions to his with his continuous resorts to personal retorts in a public access newsgroup! :-) Jimmie the Who must think of this as his personal blog or something, that NO ONE can possibly have an OPINION other than HIS righteous one. Tsk. All who think differently are WRONG and MUST BE PUNISHED! :-) I really do think he's jealous. Jimmie doesn't have his head screwed on properly! :-) DROP this "age requirement case," Jimmie. I did. It won't go away unless you or some other PCTA extras stop bringing it up. Don't waste so much bandwidth in here with your mewling about OTHERS "doing wrong" because they have OPINIONS differing from yours. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Quit acting like a cute six year old who just got her ham license and picture on the ARRL website. :-) BTW, sorry you didn't get that "cool" womsn's tee on Ebay. Better luck next time. |
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March 18th 05, 11:19 AM
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