Dave Heil wrote:
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm
not sure
why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a no-code
licence any
time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want to get on HF anyway?
However, his satirical comments, whilst over the top, seem to be
right on
the money.

"Satirical comments"...?!?!

BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
! ! ! ! !

Lennie left "over the top" years ago and went straight to "over
the edge".

Lennie Anderson has been REPEATEDLY proven to be a L I A R, Alun.
Not "wrong"..."Wrong" is when you make a mistake, and when it's pointed
out to you why it's wrong, you acknowldege it and move on.

Leonard H. Anderson of Sun Valley Californis is a liar. Period.

He's NOT a satirist, and there's nothing comical about his insults
and deceptions.

Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a
minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in
the
Len Anderson Fan Club.

Geeze...I hope not. Alun's previously impressed me as being pretty
balanced.

73

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote in
oups.com:


Dave Heil wrote:
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm
not sure why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a
no-code licence any time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want
to get on HF anyway? However, his satirical comments, whilst over
the top, seem to be right on the money.

"Satirical comments"...?!?!

BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! ! ! ! !

Lennie left "over the top" years ago and went straight to "over
the edge".

Lennie Anderson has been REPEATEDLY proven to be a L I A R, Alun.
Not "wrong"..."Wrong" is when you make a mistake, and when it's pointed
out to you why it's wrong, you acknowldege it and move on.

Leonard H. Anderson of Sun Valley Californis is a liar. Period.

He's NOT a satirist, and there's nothing comical about his insults
and deceptions.

Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a
minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in
the Len Anderson Fan Club.

Geeze...I hope not. Alun's previously impressed me as being pretty
balanced.

73

Steve, K4YZ



Thankyou. I think the point of Len's little tirade was that some here seem
to be opposed to change at any cost, and that certainly has a ring of truth
to it. Of course, he may have expressed that in a very sarcastic way, but
that doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.

Alun L. Palmer wrote:

"K4YZ" wrote in
oups.com:


Dave Heil wrote:

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm
not sure why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a
no-code licence any time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want
to get on HF anyway? However, his satirical comments, whilst over
the top, seem to be right on the money.

"Satirical comments"...?!?!

BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! ! ! ! !

Lennie left "over the top" years ago and went straight to "over
the edge".

Lennie Anderson has been REPEATEDLY proven to be a L I A R, Alun.
Not "wrong"..."Wrong" is when you make a mistake, and when it's pointed
out to you why it's wrong, you acknowldege it and move on.

Leonard H. Anderson of Sun Valley Californis is a liar. Period.

He's NOT a satirist, and there's nothing comical about his insults
and deceptions.


Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a
minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in
the Len Anderson Fan Club.

Geeze...I hope not. Alun's previously impressed me as being pretty
balanced.

73

Steve, K4YZ




Thankyou. I think the point of Len's little tirade was that some here seem
to be opposed to change at any cost, and that certainly has a ring of truth
to it. Of course, he may have expressed that in a very sarcastic way, but
that doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.

Of course he places me in that group also. Solely on my support for the
Element 1 test. The picture he paints of me is nowhere near the truth.
But broad brushes paint broad swaths, and apparently if a person is in
favor of a Morse code test, it is then mandatory that they are a
Morsodist, an "Olde Tyme Hamme" and in favor of the "Archaic
Radiotelegraphy Society, right? No other possibility exists?

- Mike KB3EIA -

From: Mike Coslo who, unable to quite reach the edges of space
(at least today), inflated the following balloon on Sat, Mar 5 2005
9:50 pm
Alun L. Palmer wrote:

Thankyou. I think the point of Len's little tirade was that some
here seem
to be opposed to change at any cost, and that certainly has a ring
of truth
to it. Of course, he may have expressed that in a very sarcastic
way, but
that doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.

Of course he places me in that group also.

Tsk. I "placed you in that group?" NO.

Coslo was NOT mentioned by name.

Coslo, seeming to be super-sensitive, placed HIMSELF in that
"category." :-)

Solely on my support for the Element 1 test.

Tsk. More over-sensitivity. Uber-sensitivity maybe...

The picture he paints of me is nowhere near the truth.

More tsk. Had I painted your picture, it would be accurate.
Illustrators paint pictures (or draw them) as they are.

But broad brushes paint broad swaths, and apparently if a person is in

favor of a Morse code test, it is then mandatory that they are a
Morsodist, an "Olde Tyme Hamme" and in favor of the "Archaic
Radiotelegraphy Society, right?

Tsk. Lack of knowledge on the tools of the illustrator.
"Broad brushes" (used by illustrators) can, indeed, paint
little lines or points. That's called "technique with the
medium."

Coslo, what you have done is merely to fall face-down
on a palette-plate of wet paint and gotten yourself dirty.
If you can't watch where you are stepping, don't blame
others for your falling. Wipe yourself off and try again.

No other possibility exists?

Not in THIS newsgroup! :-) PCTA fantasy is:

"Real" hams know code! CB is evil, wicked, mean, and
nasty, full of "illegals" and "law violators," every one of
them! NO ONE may say anything against the ARRL for
any reason for feer of invoking lightning from the gods!
The only ones "qualified" to operate radio transmitters
below 30 MHz are those who passed a federal test for
morse code cognition! This newsgroup is a Chat Room
for the PCTA, where they can hang and make a group
blog on the whichness of the what (the what not
necessarily related to radio).

Above all, NO ONE may say anything in here (or to
the government) about amateur radio without a valid
amateur radio license! [the "new" Bill of Rights] That
SO upsets all those olde-tyme hammes who "rule"
the world of ham just from tenure in that lifestyle. :-)

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

Thankyou. I think the point of Len's little tirade was that some here seem
to be opposed to change at any cost, and that certainly has a ring of truth
to it. Of course, he may have expressed that in a very sarcastic way, but
that doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.

Are you planning to change your mind on that minimum age thing?

Dave K8MN

From: "Alun L. Palmer" on Sat, Mar 5 2005 5:32 pm:

"K4YZ" wrote in
roups.com:

Dave Heil wrote:
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted
I'm
not sure why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a
no-code licence any time he feels like it and doesn't seem to
want
to get on HF anyway? However, his satirical comments, whilst over
the top, seem to be right on the money.

"Satirical comments"...?!?!


BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! ! ! ! !

Lennie left "over the top" years ago and went straight to "over
the edge".

Lennie Anderson has been REPEATEDLY proven to be a L I A R,
Alun.
Not "wrong"..."Wrong" is when you make a mistake, and when it's
pointed
out to you why it's wrong, you acknowldege it and move on.

Leonard H. Anderson of Sun Valley Californis is a liar.
Period.

He's NOT a satirist, and there's nothing comical about his
insults
and deceptions.

Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a
minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in
the Len Anderson Fan Club.

Geeze...I hope not. Alun's previously impressed me as being
pretty
balanced.

Thankyou. I think the point of Len's little tirade was that some here
seem
to be opposed to change at any cost, and that certainly has a ring of
truth
to it.

Alun, you must understand that Robeson's name-calling is a long-
established habit of his, his own defense against not having a valid
opinion/comeback on the subject in a thread. He goes for the
Personal Attack and then loses his objectivity in his own insults
while manufacturing "issues" that aren't there.

I could post my own reasons for advocating the elimination of the
morse code test every week and the opponents (PCTA extras
all) would simply say I am "lying" and have "ulterior motives."
The PCTA extras do that ANYWAY! :-)

This "charge" that "I advocate a minimum age for amateur radio"
comes out of my Comment on docket 98-143 that was filed at
the FCC on 13 January 1998. [still on file there in the ECFS]
I submitted it via surface mail (appropriate copies per
instructions)
and then didn't follow it up. My Comment was 14 pages long and
that item was on the last page. Over a year after that filing, one
in here tried to make that a "cause celebre" as if it were
tantamount to Treason against the State! :-) Tsk, tsk. Once
that is done, some want to use that capital-crimes charge when
they can't think up enough false charges of damnation. :-)

By the way, that "charge" came out of a news item on the
ARRL web page which featured "the youngest hams," two
SIX YEAR OLDS who "passed their written exams" for
Novice and Technician classes, respectively. Uh huh. :-)
Uproar from the PCTAs followed, a whole fantasy scenario
of child prodigies (if they took ham exams) and a lot of sub-
threads of how the PCTA's children were also superior. :-)

FANTASY is a very big thing among the PCTA. All seem to
think they are somehow "pioneering" the airwaves by using
morse code...well after the actual pioneering was done before
their time. Morse code is demanded of all newcomers on some
imaginary need of "showing dedication and committment to
the amateur community!" :-) That continues with labels of
"Real" hams know morse! Those hams who haven't been
federally tested for morse code are "inferior" and apparently do
not deserve their licenses. :-)

Of course, he may have expressed that in a very sarcastic way, but
that doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.

My "expression" in here without the false facade of gratuitous
complements to the "superiority" of the olde-tymers. :-)
They cannot stand anyone who's been deep into radio for a
long time, done a lot, yet doesn't subscribe to their fantasies.

Robeson has seemingly real fantasies (to him its not an
oxymoron) and imagines conditions which didn't exist with
others, then he expands on those as if it were reality. It isn't.
A case example is his claim that he can simply lift a telephone,
call authorities, and have anyone picked up on the strength of
his professional qualifications in medicine! That's absurd. Few
physicians have such power. Nurses do not. Yet Robeson
insisted in here that he could have Brian Burke put away with
such a call. Tsk. Such exaggeration carried braggadoccio
over the brink into some sort of mental imbalance due to its
irrationality. [just one example out of many]

Another syndrome is his "mirror" postings. If he is called
on some of his charges (such as constant name-calling as
a message ending salutation), he turns around and accuses
those who called him on his charges for doing the same
thing! That is on-going in here, the "mirror" postings
delayed by perhaps a week or slightly more, but they DO
appear. In one way, interesting to watch the psychosis
develop. Sort of a field example in psychology classes.

Heil is guilty of some of the same, although he may just
be trolling for word-fighting. Both Heil and Robeson MUST
triumph in the word-fights, will never ever admit to any
wrong-doing and always try to turn around things so the
other party is at fault. It's always about personalities and
the subjects are "right" if they mirror the ARRL words,
"wrong" if they are contrary to the holy ARRL words. :-)

The pro-code-test-advocates are simply Believers in their
self-righteous attitudes, long ago brainwashed into their
little world of radio fantasy. They are fanatics, almost as
fedayin ready to suicide-bomb anyone who speaks against
their idolatrous ideals. Perhaps their fanaticsm makes them
so angry and hateful?

Their anger and hate does not bode well for a hobby, an
avocation, something done for personal enjoyment. They
don't realize that since their self-righteousness blinds them.

There's a morbid fascination about their actions. :-)

wrote:

Alun, you must understand that Robeson's name-calling is a long-
established habit of his, his own defense against not having a valid
opinion/comeback on the subject in a thread. He goes for the
Personal Attack and then loses his objectivity in his own insults
while manufacturing "issues" that aren't there.

"Big badass Dave"

"not wearing the SS uniform with twin lightning bolts but otherwise
acting like a downsized Gestapo veteran"

"The Avenging Angle"

"concerning the Avenging Angle's further adventures in 'waste of time'"

"Jimmy Who and cronies"

"Dee Flint had a hissy fit on Thurs, Mar 3 2005 11:59 pm and hastily
scribbled the following diatribe"

"'Dee Flint' (calmed down from a previous hissy fit) jumped into a
so-called conversation and shouted out"

"Go join Mama Dee who wants to 'punish' her 'children' that don't do
what they're told!"

"Mr. Glock likes it...it's nice and shiny"

"My representative Mr. Glock will address them in that case. [he is
very accurate]"

"If the Coslonaut thinks Smith Charts are obsolete"

"Idiot. I 'looked it up' a long time ago."

"when some insufferable, self-righteous 'mama' wants to 'discipline
children as parents do'"

"Tsk. I'll bet Kellie told that to the Captain at dinner. Too bad
Tenille wasn't there"

"Poor Dan never got his crypto clearance"

"Widdle Stebie gonna have me BANNED from here"

This sampling from the past couple of weeks of r.r.a.p. were all written
by Leonard Anderson, the guy who "goes for the Personal Attack and then
loses his objectivity in his own insults while manufacturing 'issues'
that aren't there".



This "charge" that "I advocate a minimum age for amateur radio"
comes out of my Comment on docket 98-143 that was filed at
the FCC on 13 January 1998. [still on file there in the ECFS]
I submitted it via surface mail (appropriate copies per
instructions)
and then didn't follow it up. My Comment was 14 pages long and
that item was on the last page. Over a year after that filing, one
in here tried to make that a "cause celebre" as if it were
tantamount to Treason against the State! :-) Tsk, tsk. Once
that is done, some want to use that capital-crimes charge when
they can't think up enough false charges of damnation. :-)

It matters not when it was written nor does it matter that you didn't
follow it up. It matters that you wrote it. You've never disavowed it
or asked that the FCC disregard it. The charge was made because it is
absolutely true.

By the way, that "charge" came out of a news item on the
ARRL web page which featured "the youngest hams," two
SIX YEAR OLDS who "passed their written exams" for
Novice and Technician classes, respectively. Uh huh. :-)

Uh huh. Those two kids did something you've never done. It chafed you
then. It obviously chafes you now.


Uproar from the PCTAs followed, a whole fantasy scenario
of child prodigies (if they took ham exams)...

You tap danced then as you are tap dancing now.

...and a lot of sub-
threads of how the PCTA's children were also superior. :-)

Now you wouldn't want to be presented with any facts that would give lie
to the statement above, would you?

FANTASY is a very big thing among the PCTA. All seem to
think they are somehow "pioneering" the airwaves by using
morse code...

I don't know of a single soul here who has ever made that claim or
anything near it.

...well after the actual pioneering was done before
their time. Morse code is demanded of all newcomers on some
imaginary need of "showing dedication and committment to
the amateur community!" :-) That continues with labels of
"Real" hams know morse! Those hams who haven't been
federally tested for morse code are "inferior" and apparently do
not deserve their licenses. :-)

Don't worry about it too much, Leonard. You don't have an amateur radio
license to deserve.

My "expression" in here without the false facade of gratuitous
complements to the "superiority" of the olde-tymers. :-)

Is there supposed to be a sentence buried in there somewhere?

They cannot stand anyone who's been deep into radio for a
long time, done a lot, yet doesn't subscribe to their fantasies.

I'll grant you that anytime you show up, it is deep.

Heil is guilty of some of the same, although he may just
be trolling for word-fighting. Both Heil and Robeson MUST
triumph in the word-fights, will never ever admit to any
wrong-doing and always try to turn around things so the
other party is at fault.

Let me ask you a couple of plain question to see if I can get some
straight answer from you, Len. When is the last time that you ever
admitted to any wrongdoing in here? When is the last time you were
involved in a scrap here in which you didn't try to turn things around
so that the other party appeared to be at fault?

It's always about personalities and
the subjects are "right" if they mirror the ARRL words,
"wrong" if they are contrary to the holy ARRL words. :-)

I don't need the ARRL's input to tangle with the likes of you. You
simply aren't involved in amateur radio.

The pro-code-test-advocates are simply Believers in their
self-righteous attitudes, long ago brainwashed into their
little world of radio fantasy.

Do you believe in your self-righteous attitudes, Len? How about the
little world of radio fantasy you've built in which you see yourself as
being involved in amateur radio? Have you been brainwashed?

They are fanatics, almost as
fedayin ready to suicide-bomb anyone who speaks against
their idolatrous ideals.

Are you demented? How much of a fanatic would one have to be to spend
years in jousting with participants in an avocation in which you have no
part?

Perhaps their fanaticsm makes them
so angry and hateful?

Izzat how you turned out the way you did?

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil, wearing his invisible royal robes as Archbishop of
the Church of St. Hiram, turned livid with apoplexy and blurted
out the following personal anguish on

wrote on Sun, Mar 6 2005 6:06 am:

Alun, you must understand that Robeson's name-calling is a long-
established habit of his, his own defense against not having a
valid
opinion/comeback on the subject in a thread. He goes for the
Personal Attack and then loses his objectivity in his own insults
while manufacturing "issues" that aren't there.

"Big badass Dave"

Tsk. NO ONE can tell big badass Dave what to do! :-)

"not wearing the SS uniform with twin lightning bolts but otherwise
acting like a downsized Gestapo veteran"

Tsk. The Waffen SS had to go...try to accept downsizing with
SOME semblance of grace and dignity. Return the uniform to
Central Casting...the rental fee is overdue.

"The Avenging Angle"

"concerning the Avenging Angle's further adventures in 'waste of
time'"

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Did big badass Dave have "seven hostile
actions, TOO?

Temper fry...

"Jimmy Who and cronies"

You know who... :-)

This sampling from the past couple of weeks of r.r.a.p. were all
written
by Leonard Anderson, the guy who "goes for the Personal Attack and
then
loses his objectivity in his own insults while manufacturing 'issues'
that aren't there".

Poor big badass Dave, another uber-sensitive PCTA extra who
pretends to "rule" in amateur radio. All fully of hissies today.

Can't take return fire like a seasoned combat veteran of
Vietnam in-country? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

It matters not when it was written nor does it matter that you didn't
follow it up. It matters that you wrote it.

Oh, my! "Once written, twice wry!" :-)

There are legal procedures for big badass Dave to take in
forcing the FCC to disregard what I wrote. I would suggest
a good attorney for consultation into filing charges of felony
mindslaughter and violation of the "new" Bill of Rights in
regards to amateur radio! Hurry! The statute of limitations
may run out soon! [statute in this case has clay feet,
doesn't run fast]

You've never disavowed it or asked that the FCC disregard it.

Why should I? :-)

The charge was made because it is absolutely true.

We ARE in agreement! ARRL news featured the story
of two adorable young children becoming, possibly, the
"youngest hams" at age 6. :-)


You tap danced then as you are tap dancing now.

Never professionally! :-) Not even in an amateur production!

I used to date a professional dancer a long time ago
(a "gypsy" in the TV biz). We never danced vertically.

I did get to put on some Haney Plates though, learned
a few time-steps. :-)

Nice of you to remind me of days long ago...


Now you wouldn't want to be presented with any facts that would give
lie
to the statement above, would you?

Irrelevant. PCTA extras in here don't recognize reality or
the real differences between right and wrong...anything
said against any PCTA extra is autormatically a "lie."

Sometimes it looks like PCTA extras bathe in Lie Soap.


I don't know of a single soul here who has ever made that claim or
anything near it.

No need for you to do that. You RULE amateur radio.
Those who RULE need not have any precedent for
their statements. [they are "precedent for life?"]


Don't worry about it too much, Leonard. You don't have an amateur
radio
license to deserve.

Tsk. I have a commercial radio license, had one for a
long time. I've had a long career IN radio-electronics
beginning in radio in early 1953...which is ten years
longer than big badass Dave and his first teen-age
amateure Novice thingy. :-)


I'll grant you that anytime you show up, it is deep.

...and cold, too! :-)


Let me ask you a couple of plain question to see if I can get some
straight answer from you, Len.

What, and take all the joy out of your compulsive-obsessive
behavior in here to attempt word-triumph over selected
writers? :-)

When is the last time that you ever admitted to any wrongdoing
in here?

According to newsgroup RULEZ (written by PCTA extras)
it was the very last posting I made...ANY posting. :-)

ALL postings, in fact. According to those RULEZ,
NO "unlicensed" (in the amateur radio service) poster has
"any business saying anything about amateur radio!" :-)

[of course, amateur radio is, by definition, NOT about
any business, is it? :-) ]

Further, the RULEZ say that ALL PCTA extras can make
any charges, ask questions which NCTAs MUST answer!
The "penalty" for not answering - as the PCTA extras
expect - is seve Many many posts and quotes from
Google DEMANDING answers sufficient to satisfy
those PCTA extra gods of radio. Woe to all when the
PCTA extras' wounds still fester and grow gangrenous!


I don't need the ARRL's input to tangle with the likes of you.

Tsk. ARRL is not involved in my "likes." :-)


Do you believe in your self-righteous attitudes, Len?

Ennumerate those "attitudes," big badass Dave.
Show your work. [which is going to be lines and
lines and lines and lines of Google quotes...:-) ]

I have this funny belief in FREEDOM, a wonderful
thing about freedom of expression and the freedom
of being able to communicate with my government
to make changes. [that must not be in big badass
Dave's world...]

That FREEDOM used to be guaranteed to all U.S.
citizens. However, NOT in U.S. amateur radio
where ONLY the PCTA extras want to RULE. Tsk.


Are you demented?

No. :-) I'm just a work professional in radio-
electronics who has had a hobby of all electronics
longer than I've been a professional. I'm terribly
fascinated by the outrage and hatred presented
by some self-righteous knowitalls who pretend to
RULE an activity - especially a hobby - just
because they think they RULE. :-)

How much of a fanatic would one have to be to spend
years in jousting with participants in an avocation in which you have
no
part?

Tsk. Look in the mirror, big badass Dave. If you
actually have a reflection, ask your image why
he persists in the compulsive-obsessive action
against only certain individuals, trying to attack
their person constantly. :-)