N9OGL wrote: (without citing whom he was responding to)
For your information you redneck, I've started another page where I
plan to post all my idea's and inventions........

Been there; seen that. There's currently one "invention" listed which
has absolutely NOTHING to offer the Amateur Radio service.

Let me repeat here this one key point: Internet communications =!
radiocommunications.

As an aside - the "invention" relies on the use of peer-to-peer I-net
networking run in conjunction with local packet nodes for content
forwarding. What amateur radio packet BBS SysOp in his or her right
mind is going to allow their station to be used as a conduit for
traffic from things such as Kazaa, Limewire and so forth?

In short, that's what was proposed.

Again - Internet communications =! radiocommunications. In this case,
there are some very, very good reasons for wanting the two kept
separate...

Tightly regulating the P2P apps which are allowed to connect into the
nodes might be one way of addressing these concerns. But isn't this
just a solution to a problem that doesn't exist?

Let us also not forget the possibility of the network being abused as a
warez/music/movie distribution pipe. I for one would d@mn sure not want
the resultant heat THAT would generate to happen to ham radio.

FROM N9OGL INVENTION WEBSITE:

I've read your post on the newsgroup, and I have a few things to say,
This system would not be hooked into Kazaa or limewire or any other p2p
network. It would be a network that only amatuer would be able to use
(like Echolink). As for Warz, Movies and Music, Movies would be hard to
download on this system because the network is "bottlenecked" at the
node site. The same would also apply to music and warz, it wouldn't
work because of the speed on the radio side and the "bottleneck" at the
site.






Mr. Obvious wrote:
N9OGL wrote: (without citing whom he was responding to)
For your information you redneck, I've started another page where I
plan to post all my idea's and inventions........

Been there; seen that. There's currently one "invention" listed which
has absolutely NOTHING to offer the Amateur Radio service.

Let me repeat here this one key point: Internet communications =!
radiocommunications.

As an aside - the "invention" relies on the use of peer-to-peer I-net
networking run in conjunction with local packet nodes for content
forwarding. What amateur radio packet BBS SysOp in his or her right
mind is going to allow their station to be used as a conduit for
traffic from things such as Kazaa, Limewire and so forth?

In short, that's what was proposed.

Again - Internet communications =! radiocommunications. In this case,
there are some very, very good reasons for wanting the two kept
separate...

Tightly regulating the P2P apps which are allowed to connect into the
nodes might be one way of addressing these concerns. But isn't this
just a solution to a problem that doesn't exist?

Let us also not forget the possibility of the network being abused as
a
warez/music/movie distribution pipe. I for one would d@mn sure not
want
the resultant heat THAT would generate to happen to ham radio.

N9OGL wrote:
FROM N9OGL INVENTION WEBSITE:

I've read your post on the newsgroup, and I have a few things to say,
This system would not be hooked into Kazaa or limewire or any other
p2p
network. It would be a network that only amatuer would be able to use
(like Echolink). As for Warz, Movies and Music, Movies would be hard
to
download on this system because the network is "bottlenecked" at the
node site. The same would also apply to music and warz, it wouldn't
work because of the speed on the radio side and the "bottleneck" at
the
site.

This is an "idea"...NOT an "invention". Guess they didn't teach
you the difference in college there, Toddie-boy! Get your money back,
quick!

And who the heck WANTS a "bottlenecked" communications
gateway...?!?!

Sheeeesh! What an IDIOT!

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote in message
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N9OGL wrote:
FROM N9OGL INVENTION WEBSITE:

I've read your post on the newsgroup, and I have a few things to say,
This system would not be hooked into Kazaa or limewire or any other
p2p
network. It would be a network that only amatuer would be able to use
(like Echolink). As for Warz, Movies and Music, Movies would be hard
to
download on this system because the network is "bottlenecked" at the
node site. The same would also apply to music and warz, it wouldn't
work because of the speed on the radio side and the "bottleneck" at
the
site.

This is an "idea"...NOT an "invention". Guess they didn't teach
you the difference in college there, Toddie-boy! Get your money back,
quick!

And who the heck WANTS a "bottlenecked" communications
gateway...?!?!

Sheeeesh! What an IDIOT!

Steve, K4YZ



When is k4yz going to post proof that MAN was cited, fined, etc. ?
Well?

"K4YZ" wrote in message
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N9OGL wrote:
FROM N9OGL INVENTION WEBSITE:

I've read your post on the newsgroup, and I have a few things to say,
This system would not be hooked into Kazaa or limewire or any other
p2p
network. It would be a network that only amatuer would be able to use
(like Echolink). As for Warz, Movies and Music, Movies would be hard
to
download on this system because the network is "bottlenecked" at the
node site. The same would also apply to music and warz, it wouldn't
work because of the speed on the radio side and the "bottleneck" at
the
site.

This is an "idea"...NOT an "invention". Guess they didn't teach
you the difference in college there, Toddie-boy! Get your money back,
quick!

And who the heck WANTS a "bottlenecked" communications
gateway...?!?!

Sheeeesh! What an IDIOT!

Steve, K4YZ



When is k4yz going to post proof k1man was sanctioned?

This is an "idea"...NOT an "invention". Guess they didn't teach
you the difference in college there, Toddie-boy! Get your money back,

quick!



It's an idea i'm working on.....I right now working on the software,
but my skills in C++ / Java Script isn't very good so I'm going to
school to learn. but anyone who wishes to come up with some software
before me can do so.....and Oh, You have to have Idea before you come
up with an invention.....or perhaps they did teach you that down south.


And who the heck WANTS a "bottlenecked" communications
gateway...?!?!

It really don't have to be "bottlenecked" I know that there is some
WI-FI systems that are out there that run in our ham bands that
transmit wireless data as high as 10Mb so it can be "bottlenecked" on 2
meters or not "bottlenecked" at those higher frequencies.

Todd N9OGL

At this point it's still a solution looking for a problem.

Seriously.

MSYS, FBB and several other radio-based BBS systems will do all of what
you described. With MSYS, you have the ability to serve content from
callbook CDs or other mounted media - so a "Sale" or "Mods" directory
could be readily served up.

"...It would be a network that only amatuer would be able to use
(like Echolink)..."

Who is going to develop this app? Or is there one currently available?
How do you verify that -only amateur radio operators- can access the
I-net sites? IOW, what does your security model look like? Which parts
of the path are to be encrypted (so as to protect login credentials,
for example) and by what means will the encryption be accomplished?

I know a bit about this area, and can unequivocally say thay security
in such a system would not be trivial. Nor would the potential for
abuse, especially if there is any type of connection to it that can
directly be reached through the Internet. Choose your operating system
(platform) unwisely and the headaches become even bigger.

Mr. Obvious wrote:
At this point it's still a solution looking for a problem.

Seriously.

MSYS, FBB and several other radio-based BBS systems will do all of
what
you described. With MSYS, you have the ability to serve content from
callbook CDs or other mounted media - so a "Sale" or "Mods" directory
could be readily served up.

MSYS, and FBB are good programs...old, but good, however, compared to
today software, they are outdated, and not USER FRIENDLY.

"...It would be a network that only amatuer would be able to use
(like Echolink)..."

Who is going to develop this app? Or is there one currently
available?
How do you verify that -only amateur radio operators- can access the
I-net sites? IOW, what does your security model look like? Which
parts
of the path are to be encrypted (so as to protect login credentials,
for example) and by what means will the encryption be accomplished?

There is a lot of P2P software that is out there that is "Open Source"
Software, meaning you can downloaded a uncompiled version and program
it the way you want. So you can create filters so certain files can't
go through the system like MPEGS, and AVI files (movie files) or MP3
(Music files) I would suggest if you intrested in it to get some books
on P2P. The network would be set up like this: a Users lets say K4YZ
clicks on a icon of the P2P SOFWARE lets say it's called AMP2PNet, the
software would connect him to the network via a radio node. The P2P
nodes on the internet would be set up with either IP address or "web
address" (like what echolink has) and these would only be known to the
program and the system operator. Only amateur would only be able to
connect to this network via radio, all of the "Super Nodes" which are
on the web would be encrypted. So in other words if you wanted to uses
the system you would have to get on packet. The software would only be
handed out to amateurs and would have a callsign varifcation system.
also logging into the network you would be using your callsign to log
in (this again is only allowed over the radio)


I know a bit about this area, and can unequivocally say thay security
in such a system would not be trivial. Nor would the potential for
abuse, especially if there is any type of connection to it that can
directly be reached through the Internet. Choose your operating
system
(platform) unwisely and the headaches become even bigger.

Like I stated above the only way you could log into this system would
be over radio. The Super nodes which are on the internet are encrypted
and the internet side is mainly a "user Backbone system" so users can
connect via 2 meter---over the internet-----to another user on the
radio.

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:

Like I stated above the only way you could log into this system would
be over radio.

Which means nothing.

The Super nodes which are on the internet are encrypted
and the internet side is mainly a "user Backbone system" so users can
connect via 2 meter---over the internet-----to another user on the
radio.

Someone slap that idiot and tell him it's already been done.

Sheeeeesh.

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote in message
ps.com...

N9OGL wrote:

Like I stated above the only way you could log into this system would
be over radio.

Which means nothing.

The Super nodes which are on the internet are encrypted
and the internet side is mainly a "user Backbone system" so users can
connect via 2 meter---over the internet-----to another user on the
radio.

Someone slap that idiot and tell him it's already been done.

Sheeeeesh.

Steve, K4YZ




When is the idiot k4yz going to post proof that k1man was cited
by the commission?