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Guess The Government Isn't Paying Attention to Lennie...???
From the ARRL webpage: (www.arrl.org)
Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 21, 2005--Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) members in Connecticut, New Jersey and several other states in the Northeastern US are preparing to take part in what's being characterized as the most comprehensive terrorism response exercise ever conducted in the US. Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system, the exercise--TOPOFF 3--gets under way Monday, April 4, and continues through the week. SNIP As usual...rants derailed by facts. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: From the ARRL webpage: (www.arrl.org) Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 21, 2005--Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) members in Connecticut, New Jersey and several other states in the Northeastern US are preparing to take part in what's being characterized as the most comprehensive terrorism response exercise ever conducted in the US. Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system, the exercise--TOPOFF 3--gets under way Monday, April 4, and continues through the week. SNIP As usual...rants derailed by facts. 73 Steve, K4YZ I don't see any mention of the FCC nor Len. As usual, rants derailed by facts. Hi! |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: From the ARRL webpage: (www.arrl.org) Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 21, 2005--Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) members in Connecticut, New Jersey and several other states in the Northeastern US are preparing to take part in what's being characterized as the most comprehensive terrorism response exercise ever conducted in the US. Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system, the exercise--TOPOFF 3--gets under way Monday, April 4, and continues through the week. SNIP As usual...rants derailed by facts. 73 Steve, K4YZ I don't see any mention of the FCC nor Len. Who mentioned the FCC, Brain? (1) Notice the title..."Guess The Government Isn't Paying Attention to Lennie?"...?!?! (2) "Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system..."(SNIP) See...?!?! You screwed up...AGAIN. And you're absolutely right about Lennie...No meniton of him... However HIS rants in this forum as to how unimportant Amateur Radio is and how we "self-glorify" ourselves are numerous and well known. The news release was absolutely proof positive that Lennie's assessments of Amateur Radio's disaster related services are unfounded and, to say teh least, inaccurate. Just like I said. As usual, rants derailed by facts. You're absolutely right...And you did it to yourself... "Hi!" Steve, K4YZ |
On 24 Mar 2005 02:30:36 -0800, K4YZ wrote:
Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise [balanced snipped] Yup - it's real - and nationwide. I get to sit in the local hospital's EOC passing traffic on ham channels for two - count 'em - two shifts during this one. They won't even let me see the scripts until I get there, too..... -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
Phil Kane wrote: On 24 Mar 2005 02:30:36 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise [balanced snipped] Yup - it's real - and nationwide. I get to sit in the local hospital's EOC passing traffic on ham channels for two - count 'em - two shifts during this one. They won't even let me see the scripts until I get there, too..... They just installed our new Amateur station, tower and all, at my facility, but I don't think we get to play... 73 Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: From the ARRL webpage: (www.arrl.org) Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 21, 2005--Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) members in Connecticut, New Jersey and several other states in the Northeastern US are preparing to take part in what's being characterized as the most comprehensive terrorism response exercise ever conducted in the US. Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system, the exercise--TOPOFF 3--gets under way Monday, April 4, and continues through the week. SNIP As usual...rants derailed by facts. 73 Steve, K4YZ I don't see any mention of the FCC nor Len. Who mentioned the FCC, Brain? (1) Notice the title..."Guess The Government Isn't Paying Attention to Lennie?"...?!?! (2) "Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system..."(SNIP) See...?!?! You screwed up...AGAIN. The Dept of Homeland Security didn't mention Len either. And you're absolutely right about Lennie...No meniton of him... Right again. However HIS rants in this forum as to how unimportant Amateur Radio is and how we "self-glorify" ourselves are numerous and well known. The importance of amateur radio is easily overblown. The utility of amateur radio in emergencies is entirely dependent on mostly aging men, who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies. For example, you have the rickyranger kind of guys who volunteer for ARES, MARS, Red Cross, CAP, and probably other acronyms that he has yet to reveal to the group, yet have primary responsibilities as an emergency room nurse. So when the emergency happens, ARES, MARS and CAP are left hanging. The news release was absolutely proof positive that Lennie's assessments of Amateur Radio's disaster related services are unfounded and, to say teh least, inaccurate. Not entirely. It is situationally dependent. Just like I said. I forgot. You're always right. As usual, rants derailed by facts. You're absolutely right...And you did it to yourself... "Hi!" Steve, K4YZ This isn't about me. |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: From the ARRL webpage: (www.arrl.org) Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 21, 2005--Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) members in Connecticut, New Jersey and several other states in the Northeastern US are preparing to take part in what's being characterized as the most comprehensive terrorism response exercise ever conducted in the US. Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system, the exercise--TOPOFF 3--gets under way Monday, April 4, and continues through the week. SNIP As usual...rants derailed by facts. 73 Steve, K4YZ I don't see any mention of the FCC nor Len. Who mentioned the FCC, Brain? (1) Notice the title..."Guess The Government Isn't Paying Attention to Lennie?"...?!?! (2) "Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system..."(SNIP) See...?!?! You screwed up...AGAIN. The Dept of Homeland Security didn't mention Len either. And you've still not picked up (or are ignoring due to extreme mebarrassment) that your attempt to defeat the post was derailed on your lack of accuracy. And you're absolutely right about Lennie...No meniton of him... Right again. And that's because no one outside this forum finds him even the least bit accurate. However HIS rants in this forum as to how unimportant Amateur Radio is and how we "self-glorify" ourselves are numerous and well known. The importance of amateur radio is easily overblown. To whom? The governmental agencies who still spend a lot of time and money making sure they have Amateur Radio assets in thier facilities, or the disaster relief agencies that still call on them in a wide range of natural and man-made disasters...??? The utility of amateur radio in emergencies is entirely dependent on mostly aging men, who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies. "Entirely dependent"...?!?! Brian, I'll give you a big hint here...Your mouth is over-running your common sense again. Also...I D E M A N D that you cite even ONE instance wherein ARES, RACES, etc, did NOT respond because they were "...entirely dependent on mostly aging men who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies"... For example, you have the rickyranger kind of guys who volunteer for ARES, MARS, Red Cross, CAP, and probably other acronyms that he has yet to reveal to the group, yet have primary responsibilities as an emergency room nurse. So when the emergency happens, ARES, MARS and CAP are left hanging. Nice try... Your "one example" of one persson who MAY not be able to respond is irrelevent. Even with my "duties" here I STILL manage to spend time for both CAP AND ARES. The F A C T S remain that ARES and other Amateur Radio related response organizations ARE still "in the que" as far as Homeland Defense, The Red Cross, etc etc etc are concerned. That's not "overblown". It's the truth. The news release was absolutely proof positive that Lennie's assessments of Amateur Radio's disaster related services are unfounded and, to say the least, inaccurate. Not entirely. It is situationally dependent. No, it's not. Neither you or Lennie can produce ONE example of ANY situation in which ARES or any other Amateur Radio organization did not/could not respond. Just like I said. I forgot. You're always right. Not always. Just most of the time when it comes to anything dealing with you...Like right now... As usual, rants derailed by facts. You're absolutely right...And you did it to yourself... "Hi!" Steve, K4YZ This isn't about me. Sure it is. YOU made even MORE assinine assertions that were, on immediate inspection, flawed and inaccurate. Sucks to be you, Brain. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: From the ARRL webpage: (www.arrl.org) Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 21, 2005--Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) members in Connecticut, New Jersey and several other states in the Northeastern US are preparing to take part in what's being characterized as the most comprehensive terrorism response exercise ever conducted in the US. Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system, the exercise--TOPOFF 3--gets under way Monday, April 4, and continues through the week. SNIP As usual...rants derailed by facts. 73 Steve, K4YZ I don't see any mention of the FCC nor Len. Who mentioned the FCC, Brain? (1) Notice the title..."Guess The Government Isn't Paying Attention to Lennie?"...?!?! (2) "Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system..."(SNIP) See...?!?! You screwed up...AGAIN. The Dept of Homeland Security didn't mention Len either. And you've still not picked up (or are ignoring due to extreme mebarrassment) that your attempt to defeat the post was derailed on your lack of accuracy. And you're absolutely right about Lennie...No meniton of him... Right again. And that's because no one outside this forum finds him even the least bit accurate. However HIS rants in this forum as to how unimportant Amateur Radio is and how we "self-glorify" ourselves are numerous and well known. The importance of amateur radio is easily overblown. To whom? The governmental agencies who still spend a lot of time and money making sure they have Amateur Radio assets in thier facilities, or the disaster relief agencies that still call on them in a wide range of natural and man-made disasters...??? The utility of amateur radio in emergencies is entirely dependent on mostly aging men, who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies. "Entirely dependent"...?!?! Brian, I'll give you a big hint here...Your mouth is over-running your common sense again. Also...I D E M A N D that you cite even ONE instance wherein ARES, RACES, etc, did NOT respond because they were "...entirely dependent on mostly aging men who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies"... For example, you have the rickyranger kind of guys who volunteer for ARES, MARS, Red Cross, CAP, and probably other acronyms that he has yet to reveal to the group, yet have primary responsibilities as an emergency room nurse. So when the emergency happens, ARES, MARS and CAP are left hanging. Nice try... Your "one example" of one persson who MAY not be able to respond is irrelevent. Even with my "duties" here I STILL manage to spend time for both CAP AND ARES. The F A C T S remain that ARES and other Amateur Radio related response organizations ARE still "in the que" as far as Homeland Defense, The Red Cross, etc etc etc are concerned. That's not "overblown". It's the truth. The news release was absolutely proof positive that Lennie's assessments of Amateur Radio's disaster related services are unfounded and, to say the least, inaccurate. Not entirely. It is situationally dependent. No, it's not. Neither you or Lennie can produce ONE example of ANY situation in which ARES or any other Amateur Radio organization did not/could not respond. Just like I said. I forgot. You're always right. Not always. Just most of the time when it comes to anything dealing with you...Like right now... As usual, rants derailed by facts. You're absolutely right...And you did it to yourself... "Hi!" Steve, K4YZ This isn't about me. Sure it is. YOU made even MORE assinine assertions that were, on immediate inspection, flawed and inaccurate. Sucks to be you, Brain. Steve, K4YZ Steve, I don't see much reason to respond to your demands. You're an abusive jerk, have been for as long as you've been on RRAP, and aren't likely to change anytime soon. Best of Luck. |
Phil Kane wrote: On 24 Mar 2005 02:30:36 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise [balanced snipped] Yup - it's real - and nationwide. I get to sit in the local hospital's EOC passing traffic on ham channels for two - count 'em - two shifts during this one. They won't even let me see the scripts until I get there, too..... -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Phil, why do you have to pull a double-shift? |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: From the ARRL webpage: (www.arrl.org) Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 21, 2005--Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) members in Connecticut, New Jersey and several other states in the Northeastern US are preparing to take part in what's being characterized as the most comprehensive terrorism response exercise ever conducted in the US. Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system, the exercise--TOPOFF 3--gets under way Monday, April 4, and continues through the week. SNIP As usual...rants derailed by facts. 73 Steve, K4YZ I don't see any mention of the FCC nor Len. Who mentioned the FCC, Brain? (1) Notice the title..."Guess The Government Isn't Paying Attention to Lennie?"...?!?! (2) "Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system..."(SNIP) See...?!?! You screwed up...AGAIN. The Dept of Homeland Security didn't mention Len either. And you've still not picked up (or are ignoring due to extreme mebarrassment) that your attempt to defeat the post was derailed on your lack of accuracy. And you're absolutely right about Lennie...No meniton of him... Right again. And that's because no one outside this forum finds him even the least bit accurate. However HIS rants in this forum as to how unimportant Amateur Radio is and how we "self-glorify" ourselves are numerous and well known. The importance of amateur radio is easily overblown. To whom? The governmental agencies who still spend a lot of time and money making sure they have Amateur Radio assets in thier facilities, or the disaster relief agencies that still call on them in a wide range of natural and man-made disasters...??? The utility of amateur radio in emergencies is entirely dependent on mostly aging men, who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies. "Entirely dependent"...?!?! Brian, I'll give you a big hint here...Your mouth is over-running your common sense again. Also...I D E M A N D that you cite even ONE instance wherein ARES, RACES, etc, did NOT respond because they were "...entirely dependent on mostly aging men who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies"... For example, you have the rickyranger kind of guys who volunteer for ARES, MARS, Red Cross, CAP, and probably other acronyms that he has yet to reveal to the group, yet have primary responsibilities as an emergency room nurse. So when the emergency happens, ARES, MARS and CAP are left hanging. Nice try... Your "one example" of one persson who MAY not be able to respond is irrelevent. Even with my "duties" here I STILL manage to spend time for both CAP AND ARES. The F A C T S remain that ARES and other Amateur Radio related response organizations ARE still "in the que" as far as Homeland Defense, The Red Cross, etc etc etc are concerned. That's not "overblown". It's the truth. The news release was absolutely proof positive that Lennie's assessments of Amateur Radio's disaster related services are unfounded and, to say the least, inaccurate. Not entirely. It is situationally dependent. No, it's not. Neither you or Lennie can produce ONE example of ANY situation in which ARES or any other Amateur Radio organization did not/could not respond. Just like I said. I forgot. You're always right. Not always. Just most of the time when it comes to anything dealing with you...Like right now... As usual, rants derailed by facts. You're absolutely right...And you did it to yourself... "Hi!" Steve, K4YZ This isn't about me. Sure it is. YOU made even MORE assinine assertions that were, on immediate inspection, flawed and inaccurate. Sucks to be you, Brain. Steve, K4YZ Steve, I don't see much reason to respond to your demands. Of course you don't. You can't. You make assinine, poorly constructed assertions, then when asked to substantiate them, you wallow around looking for a way out without admitting that you don't have an adequate answer. You're an abusive jerk, have been for as long as you've been on RRAP, and aren't likely to change anytime soon. If by that you meant that I refuse to tolerate your lies, permit yuor misrepresentations, and expect YOU to live up to the same "standards" that you and Lennie would seek to impose on everyone else, Thanks. Best of Luck. No luck needed when dealing with you, Brain...You make this all too easy. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: From the ARRL webpage: (www.arrl.org) Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 21, 2005--Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) members in Connecticut, New Jersey and several other states in the Northeastern US are preparing to take part in what's being characterized as the most comprehensive terrorism response exercise ever conducted in the US. Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system, the exercise--TOPOFF 3--gets under way Monday, April 4, and continues through the week. SNIP As usual...rants derailed by facts. 73 Steve, K4YZ I don't see any mention of the FCC nor Len. Who mentioned the FCC, Brain? (1) Notice the title..."Guess The Government Isn't Paying Attention to Lennie?"...?!?! (2) "Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system..."(SNIP) See...?!?! You screwed up...AGAIN. The Dept of Homeland Security didn't mention Len either. And you've still not picked up (or are ignoring due to extreme mebarrassment) that your attempt to defeat the post was derailed on your lack of accuracy. And you're absolutely right about Lennie...No meniton of him... Right again. And that's because no one outside this forum finds him even the least bit accurate. However HIS rants in this forum as to how unimportant Amateur Radio is and how we "self-glorify" ourselves are numerous and well known. The importance of amateur radio is easily overblown. To whom? The governmental agencies who still spend a lot of time and money making sure they have Amateur Radio assets in thier facilities, or the disaster relief agencies that still call on them in a wide range of natural and man-made disasters...??? The utility of amateur radio in emergencies is entirely dependent on mostly aging men, who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies. "Entirely dependent"...?!?! Brian, I'll give you a big hint here...Your mouth is over-running your common sense again. Also...I D E M A N D that you cite even ONE instance wherein ARES, RACES, etc, did NOT respond because they were "...entirely dependent on mostly aging men who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies"... For example, you have the rickyranger kind of guys who volunteer for ARES, MARS, Red Cross, CAP, and probably other acronyms that he has yet to reveal to the group, yet have primary responsibilities as an emergency room nurse. So when the emergency happens, ARES, MARS and CAP are left hanging. Nice try... Your "one example" of one persson who MAY not be able to respond is irrelevent. Even with my "duties" here I STILL manage to spend time for both CAP AND ARES. The F A C T S remain that ARES and other Amateur Radio related response organizations ARE still "in the que" as far as Homeland Defense, The Red Cross, etc etc etc are concerned. That's not "overblown". It's the truth. The news release was absolutely proof positive that Lennie's assessments of Amateur Radio's disaster related services are unfounded and, to say the least, inaccurate. Not entirely. It is situationally dependent. No, it's not. Neither you or Lennie can produce ONE example of ANY situation in which ARES or any other Amateur Radio organization did not/could not respond. Just like I said. I forgot. You're always right. Not always. Just most of the time when it comes to anything dealing with you...Like right now... As usual, rants derailed by facts. You're absolutely right...And you did it to yourself... "Hi!" Steve, K4YZ This isn't about me. Sure it is. YOU made even MORE assinine assertions that were, on immediate inspection, flawed and inaccurate. Sucks to be you, Brain. Steve, K4YZ Steve, I don't see much reason to respond to your demands. Of course you don't. You can't. You make assinine, poorly constructed assertions, then when asked to substantiate them, you wallow around looking for a way out without admitting that you don't have an adequate answer. I don't see anyone wallowing around looking for anything. I see you being your pathetic self. |
bb wrote: Phil Kane wrote: On 24 Mar 2005 02:30:36 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise [balanced snipped] Yup - it's real - and nationwide. I get to sit in the local hospital's EOC passing traffic on ham channels for two - count 'em - two shifts during this one. They won't even let me see the scripts until I get there, too..... -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Phil, why do you have to pull a double-shift? I would guess that you have to pull two shifts because there are not enough amateur volunteers. |
On 3 Apr 2005 17:02:14 -0700, bb wrote:
Phil, why do you have to pull a double-shift? It's a two-day exercise, and I can make it both days. I would guess that you have to pull two shifts because there are not enough amateur volunteers. Actually, we have six operators qualified for that location, and we work in teams of three (county voice net, inter-hospital voice net, county-wide packet net) so we'll have plenty of operators. I didn't duck fast enough so I got designated as "assistant station manager" - that and two bucks will get me a cup of bad coffee that I don't drink anyhow.....but they do feed us if we hang around long enough. ggg We did get called out today for an AMTRAK derailment because the ER didn't know how many casualties would be diverted to our hospital. Fortunately there were none so we stood down after two hours. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: From the ARRL webpage: (www.arrl.org) Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 21, 2005--Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) members in Connecticut, New Jersey and several other states in the Northeastern US are preparing to take part in what's being characterized as the most comprehensive terrorism response exercise ever conducted in the US. Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system, the exercise--TOPOFF 3--gets under way Monday, April 4, and continues through the week. SNIP As usual...rants derailed by facts. 73 Steve, K4YZ I don't see any mention of the FCC nor Len. Who mentioned the FCC, Brain? (1) Notice the title..."Guess The Government Isn't Paying Attention to Lennie?"...?!?! (2) "Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system..."(SNIP) See...?!?! You screwed up...AGAIN. The Dept of Homeland Security didn't mention Len either. And you've still not picked up (or are ignoring due to extreme mebarrassment) that your attempt to defeat the post was derailed on your lack of accuracy. And you're absolutely right about Lennie...No meniton of him... Right again. And that's because no one outside this forum finds him even the least bit accurate. However HIS rants in this forum as to how unimportant Amateur Radio is and how we "self-glorify" ourselves are numerous and well known. The importance of amateur radio is easily overblown. To whom? The governmental agencies who still spend a lot of time and money making sure they have Amateur Radio assets in thier facilities, or the disaster relief agencies that still call on them in a wide range of natural and man-made disasters...??? The utility of amateur radio in emergencies is entirely dependent on mostly aging men, who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies. "Entirely dependent"...?!?! Brian, I'll give you a big hint here...Your mouth is over-running your common sense again. Also...I D E M A N D that you cite even ONE instance wherein ARES, RACES, etc, did NOT respond because they were "...entirely dependent on mostly aging men who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies"... For example, you have the rickyranger kind of guys who volunteer for ARES, MARS, Red Cross, CAP, and probably other acronyms that he has yet to reveal to the group, yet have primary responsibilities as an emergency room nurse. So when the emergency happens, ARES, MARS and CAP are left hanging. Nice try... Your "one example" of one persson who MAY not be able to respond is irrelevent. Even with my "duties" here I STILL manage to spend time for both CAP AND ARES. The F A C T S remain that ARES and other Amateur Radio related response organizations ARE still "in the que" as far as Homeland Defense, The Red Cross, etc etc etc are concerned. That's not "overblown". It's the truth. The news release was absolutely proof positive that Lennie's assessments of Amateur Radio's disaster related services are unfounded and, to say the least, inaccurate. Not entirely. It is situationally dependent. No, it's not. Neither you or Lennie can produce ONE example of ANY situation in which ARES or any other Amateur Radio organization did not/could not respond. Just like I said. I forgot. You're always right. Not always. Just most of the time when it comes to anything dealing with you...Like right now... As usual, rants derailed by facts. You're absolutely right...And you did it to yourself... "Hi!" Steve, K4YZ This isn't about me. Sure it is. YOU made even MORE assinine assertions that were, on immediate inspection, flawed and inaccurate. Sucks to be you, Brain. Steve, K4YZ Steve, I don't see much reason to respond to your demands. Of course you don't. You can't. You make assinine, poorly constructed assertions, then when asked to substantiate them, you wallow around looking for a way out without admitting that you don't have an adequate answer. I don't see anyone wallowing around looking for anything. I see you being your pathetic self. How do you come up with "pathetic", Brian? YOU have made yet another anti-Amateur Radio statement, but then when asked to substantiate the claim, you duck and hide, again trying to redirect attention from YOUR silly statements. THAT is pathetic. Not even the King's New Clothes were THAT transparent! Steve, K4YZ |
bb wrote: bb wrote: Phil Kane wrote: On 24 Mar 2005 02:30:36 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise [balanced snipped] Yup - it's real - and nationwide. I get to sit in the local hospital's EOC passing traffic on ham channels for two - count 'em - two shifts during this one. They won't even let me see the scripts until I get there, too..... -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Phil, why do you have to pull a double-shift? I would guess that you have to pull two shifts because there are not enough amateur volunteers. I guess that presupposes that Phil DOESN'T like volunteering for those shifts and is somehow being FORCED to do so... Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: From the ARRL webpage: (www.arrl.org) Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 21, 2005--Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) members in Connecticut, New Jersey and several other states in the Northeastern US are preparing to take part in what's being characterized as the most comprehensive terrorism response exercise ever conducted in the US. Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system, the exercise--TOPOFF 3--gets under way Monday, April 4, and continues through the week. SNIP As usual...rants derailed by facts. 73 Steve, K4YZ I don't see any mention of the FCC nor Len. Who mentioned the FCC, Brain? (1) Notice the title..."Guess The Government Isn't Paying Attention to Lennie?"...?!?! (2) "Sponsored by the US Department of Homeland Security and intended as a realistic test of the nation's homeland security system..."(SNIP) See...?!?! You screwed up...AGAIN. The Dept of Homeland Security didn't mention Len either. And you've still not picked up (or are ignoring due to extreme mebarrassment) that your attempt to defeat the post was derailed on your lack of accuracy. And you're absolutely right about Lennie...No meniton of him... Right again. And that's because no one outside this forum finds him even the least bit accurate. However HIS rants in this forum as to how unimportant Amateur Radio is and how we "self-glorify" ourselves are numerous and well known. The importance of amateur radio is easily overblown. To whom? The governmental agencies who still spend a lot of time and money making sure they have Amateur Radio assets in thier facilities, or the disaster relief agencies that still call on them in a wide range of natural and man-made disasters...??? The utility of amateur radio in emergencies is entirely dependent on mostly aging men, who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies. "Entirely dependent"...?!?! Brian, I'll give you a big hint here...Your mouth is over-running your common sense again. Also...I D E M A N D that you cite even ONE instance wherein ARES, RACES, etc, did NOT respond because they were "...entirely dependent on mostly aging men who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies"... For example, you have the rickyranger kind of guys who volunteer for ARES, MARS, Red Cross, CAP, and probably other acronyms that he has yet to reveal to the group, yet have primary responsibilities as an emergency room nurse. So when the emergency happens, ARES, MARS and CAP are left hanging. Nice try... Your "one example" of one persson who MAY not be able to respond is irrelevent. Even with my "duties" here I STILL manage to spend time for both CAP AND ARES. The F A C T S remain that ARES and other Amateur Radio related response organizations ARE still "in the que" as far as Homeland Defense, The Red Cross, etc etc etc are concerned. That's not "overblown". It's the truth. The news release was absolutely proof positive that Lennie's assessments of Amateur Radio's disaster related services are unfounded and, to say the least, inaccurate. Not entirely. It is situationally dependent. No, it's not. Neither you or Lennie can produce ONE example of ANY situation in which ARES or any other Amateur Radio organization did not/could not respond. Just like I said. I forgot. You're always right. Not always. Just most of the time when it comes to anything dealing with you...Like right now... As usual, rants derailed by facts. You're absolutely right...And you did it to yourself... "Hi!" Steve, K4YZ This isn't about me. Sure it is. YOU made even MORE assinine assertions that were, on immediate inspection, flawed and inaccurate. Sucks to be you, Brain. Steve, K4YZ Steve, I don't see much reason to respond to your demands. Of course you don't. You can't. You make assinine, poorly constructed assertions, then when asked to substantiate them, you wallow around looking for a way out without admitting that you don't have an adequate answer. I don't see anyone wallowing around looking for anything. I see you being your pathetic self. How do you come up with "pathetic", Brian? I come up with "pathetic" quite easily. The word handily describes the guy who attacks anyone who holds an opinion other than the one you hold. Prove you opinions. |
Phil Kane wrote: On 3 Apr 2005 17:02:14 -0700, bb wrote: Phil, why do you have to pull a double-shift? It's a two-day exercise, and I can make it both days. I would guess that you have to pull two shifts because there are not enough amateur volunteers. Actually, we have six operators qualified for that location, and we work in teams of three (county voice net, inter-hospital voice net, county-wide packet net) so we'll have plenty of operators. Now c'mon Phil. I used to write duty schedules, so I know how many times two teams of three fit into a calendar day. Is this a two-day ORI? |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: bb wrote: Phil Kane wrote: On 24 Mar 2005 02:30:36 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Amateur Radio to Have Role in Largest-Ever Mass Casualty Exercise [balanced snipped] Yup - it's real - and nationwide. I get to sit in the local hospital's EOC passing traffic on ham channels for two - count 'em - two shifts during this one. They won't even let me see the scripts until I get there, too..... -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Phil, why do you have to pull a double-shift? I would guess that you have to pull two shifts because there are not enough amateur volunteers. I guess that presupposes that Phil DOESN'T like volunteering for those shifts and is somehow being FORCED to do so... Steve, K4YZ I'm just trying to see how these volunteers fit into County EMA, Red Cross, etc., needs. |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: You make assinine, poorly constructed assertions, then when asked to substantiate them, you wallow around looking for a way out without admitting that you don't have an adequate answer. I don't see anyone wallowing around looking for anything. I see you being your pathetic self. How do you come up with "pathetic", Brian? I come up with "pathetic" quite easily. The word handily describes the guy who attacks anyone who holds an opinion other than the one you hold. There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed and/or carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal see-saw. Only you, Todd, Lennie, and a couple others have huffed up the tone. Prove you opinions. My "opinions" are that you are not truthful and/or will not prove your assertions. (1) "I operated legally from Somalia". As of today, still not a single reference to a single bit of evidence that corroborates your claim. (2) "Unlicensed devices play a major role in emergency communications". Again, not a single bit of evidence that there is anything but some distant, ancilliary role that "unlicensed" deveices play in ANY emergency communications, and certainly not a single reference to any communications plan of any organization that makes them a "major role". Even REACT has all-but-abandoned Class D CB in favor of using GMRS for it's operations! (3) "I've worked enough DX from my other duty postings in Korea and Guam to make DXCC several times over." An obvious paraphrase on my part, but you've still not ponied up any evidence of having accomplished DXCC even ONCE, from ANY location, let alone FROM a DXCC location. (4) "Amateur Radio's role in emergency services is overplayed because in an emergency, they won't be able to respond due to too few operators or operators unable to do it due to age or health". Again, a paraphrase, but an accurate and very, VERY recent one. You've still not ponied up a SINGLE example of ARES or any other Amateur Radio based service NOT fulfilling it's promised responses. Not a one. So there are four prime examples of YOU not substantiating YOUR claims, thereby proving MY opinions that you are NOT truthful and that YOU do not prove YOUR assertions. Anything else? Steve, K4YZ |
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Phil Kane wrote: On 3 Apr 2005 17:02:14 -0700, bb wrote: Phil, why do you have to pull a double-shift? It's a two-day exercise, and I can make it both days. I would guess that you have to pull two shifts because there are not enough amateur volunteers. Actually, we have six operators qualified for that location, and we work in teams of three (county voice net, inter-hospital voice net, county-wide packet net) so we'll have plenty of operators. Now c'mon Phil. I used to write duty schedules, so I know how many times two teams of three fit into a calendar day. Is this a two-day ORI? Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian? http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interap...orial_0588.xml TOPOFF-3 will be four days. More than ample time for any one person to pull more than one "shift" during the exercise, depending on how you're defining "shift". 12 hour shifts: Four (assuming 12 on / 12 off) 8 hour shifts: Six (assuming 8 on / 8 off) 4 hour shifts: Eight (assuming 4 on / 8 off) Brian...You CAN pull more than two shifts under ONE of those formats, couldn't you...??? I sure could, and will. CAP is a participating agency in this. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: You make assinine, poorly constructed assertions, then when asked to substantiate them, you wallow around looking for a way out without admitting that you don't have an adequate answer. I don't see anyone wallowing around looking for anything. I see you being your pathetic self. How do you come up with "pathetic", Brian? I come up with "pathetic" quite easily. The word handily describes the guy who attacks anyone who holds an opinion other than the one you hold. There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed and/or carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal see-saw. Prove it. Only you, Todd, Lennie, and a couple others have huffed up the tone. Your singularly distinctive acheivement on RRAP has been "huffing up the tone." In the past few days you've told at least four new lies. One lie on top of another just so that you don't have to accept responsibility for shooting off your mouth about a YL in an amateur advertisement. I can only wonder what new lie you'll tell tomorrow to CYA. |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed and/or carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal see-saw. Prove it. Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT. Only you, Todd, Lennie, and a couple others have huffed up the tone. Your singularly distinctive acheivement on RRAP has been "huffing up the tone." In the past few days you've told at least four new lies. You keep saying I've told these lies, yet you've not shown where I've lied. One lie on top of another just so that you don't have to accept responsibility for shooting off your mouth about a YL in an amateur advertisement. I can only wonder what new lie you'll tell tomorrow to CYA. "CYA"...Very appropriate. YOU made your own "innuendo" that Phil, K2ASP was somehow being obligated to pull "two shifts" during an exercise due to a lack of Amateur volunteers, an assertion you've been asked repeatedly this past week to substantiate. I proved with some simple elementary school math that there were plenty of opportunities to pull "two shifts" in the 96 hour period that TOPOFF-3 will run. Your "response" was the above drivvel and dodge. A "non-answer" answer. Try again, Brian... Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed and/or carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal see-saw. Prove it. Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT. Ask the anon e-mail "attacker?" |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: Phil Kane wrote: On 3 Apr 2005 17:02:14 -0700, bb wrote: Phil, why do you have to pull a double-shift? It's a two-day exercise, and I can make it both days. I would guess that you have to pull two shifts because there are not enough amateur volunteers. Actually, we have six operators qualified for that location, and we work in teams of three (county voice net, inter-hospital voice net, county-wide packet net) so we'll have plenty of operators. Now c'mon Phil. I used to write duty schedules, so I know how many times two teams of three fit into a calendar day. Is this a two-day ORI? Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian? http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interap...orial_0588.xml TOPOFF-3 will be four days. More than ample time for any one person to pull more than one "shift" during the exercise, depending on how you're defining "shift". 12 hour shifts: Four (assuming 12 on / 12 off) 8 hour shifts: Six (assuming 8 on / 8 off) 4 hour shifts: Eight (assuming 4 on / 8 off) Levy your "attack" on Phil. Phil said it was two days, and that he would be working both days. Brian...You CAN pull more than two shifts under ONE of those formats, couldn't you...??? I sure could, and will. CAP is a participating agency in this. Steve, K4YZ Do provide RRAP an after action report of your heroic CAP activities. |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed and/or carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal see-saw. Prove it. Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT. Ask the anon e-mail "attacker?" You've already been provided with specific quotes that disprove your assertion that I refered to the e-mailer as an "attacker", Brian. So why do you persist in lying about it? You also asked me to "prove" that I have had "opposite end" or disagreements in this forum with others. I did so, but I see you're weaseling your way around it. Are these traits you teach your kids? Is snivvelling, lying and deceit things you teach them to do at home? Steve, K4YZ |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: TOPOFF-3 will be four days. More than ample time for any one person to pull more than one "shift" during the exercise, depending on how you're defining "shift". 12 hour shifts: Four (assuming 12 on / 12 off) 8 hour shifts: Six (assuming 8 on / 8 off) 4 hour shifts: Eight (assuming 4 on / 8 off) Levy your "attack" on Phil. Phil said it was two days, and that he would be working both days. There was no attack. Either on you, nor especially on Phil. YOU, however, were the one making the comments about how many shifts he was pulling-vs-qualified operators to do it. Brian...You CAN pull more than two shifts under ONE of those formats, couldn't you...??? I sure could, and will. CAP is a participating agency in this. Steve, K4YZ Do provide RRAP an after action report of your heroic CAP activities. I don't engage in heroics, Brian. By the book...safe and responsible. That's how I got through my tour in the USMC with my tail intact, that's how I have spent 30+ years in CAP without injury, and that's how I practice Nursing. Now...about your assertion that ARES can't/won't respond to emergencies...Are you going to provide some validation of that statement? Steve, K4YZ |
Yep...and in this case, we'd be speaking of both of you--if you'll think
about it. GRIN The only true idiots I've had exchanges with on this newsgroup are probably true idiots in life also. That would be the idiots that can't have disagreements and remain fairly human in the process. By the way, I am shocked that I happened to click on this post among those that I scrolled this morning. Heck, this "newsgroup" has gone to ****. Literally. What the Hell are you, Steve, and you, Brian, even doing engaging these freaks? Do you notice that no one else (well, unless they are posting under other IDs) of the usual gang is even posting? Where's everyone gone? OH, and Brian, I didn't even realize "bb" is you. Is that you, really? Anyway...yes, Steve and Brian both, we have had disagreements. The part about being a real human being is recognizing that it takes all kinds, that all have something constructive to offer, and that if we all agreed with each other it'd be a damned boring world. Then, there are the freaks....My favorite worst freak has a name that reminds me of bread..as in roll. LOL GRIN Give the board a rest and let these freaks get outta here... Kim W5TIT "bb" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed and/or carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal see-saw. Prove it. Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT. Ask the anon e-mail "attacker?" |
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"bb" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed and/or carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal see-saw. Prove it. Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT. Ask the anon e-mail "attacker?" Yep...and in this case, we'd be speaking of both of you--if you'll think about it. GRIN For Brian's benefit: Point made. The only true idiots I've had exchanges with on this newsgroup are probably true idiots in life also. That would be the idiots that can't have disagreements and remain fairly human in the process. No doubt. By the way, I am shocked that I happened to click on this post among those that I scrolled this morning. Heck, this "newsgroup" has gone to ****. It's th usual, Kim...The entrance of Todd Daugherty and his following of anonymous lying cowards is the worst of it...They usually get weary after being slapped around with truth, however. They can't stand being bested. Literally. What the Hell are you, Steve, and you, Brian, even doing engaging these freaks? Do you notice that no one else (well, unless they are posting under other IDs) of the usual gang is even posting? Where's everyone gone? OH, and Brian, I didn't even realize "bb" is you. Is that you, really? Yes...that's Brian. He went gutless and won't sign his name to his posts. He tried to "disguise" who he was for a while, but just like Lennie before him, he slipped up one day and "signed" one of his "bb" posts...Got caught lying and STILL won't own up to it. Anyway...yes, Steve and Brian both, we have had disagreements. The part about being a real human being is recognizing that it takes all kinds, that all have something constructive to offer, and that if we all agreed with each other it'd be a damned boring world. Then, there are the freaks....My favorite worst freak has a name that reminds me of bread..as in roll. LOL Oh, C'mon now, Kim...You two had a "thing"...!!!! =0 GRIN Give the board a rest and let these freaks get outta here... Good idea. Besides, I've been nipping at Brian's heels to own up to his OTHER assertions, but the little coward won't answer questions vis-a-vis his OWN assertions. Sure is a terrible way for a Veteran to be remembered....Skulking behind (not so) anonymous screen names and not having the intestinal fortitude to back up his own rhetoric. 88 Steve, K4YZ |
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The importance of amateur radio is easily overblown. The utility of amateur radio in emergencies is entirely dependent on mostly aging men, who may or may not be available to assist in emergencies. For example, you have the rickyranger kind of guys who volunteer for ARES, MARS, Red Cross, CAP, and probably other acronyms that he has yet to reveal to the group, yet have primary responsibilities as an emergency room nurse. So when the emergency happens, ARES, MARS and CAP are left hanging. Guess these guys in Mississippi didn't get wind of your assessment, Brain... QUOTE: (From the ARRL Webpage) SKYWARN endures daylong siege in Central Mississippi (Apr 7, 2005) -- Wednesday, April 6, in Central Mississippi began with tornadoes, severe hail and flooding, prompting activation of local SKYWARN, Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) teams and Amateur Radio volunteers. Members of the Jackson Amateur Radio Club (JARC) staffed the National Weather Service (NWS) Jackson Forecast Office. SNIP TO.... This week's event marked the eighth SKYWARN activation since March 1. SKYWARN is a voluntary program developed by the NWS to improve its severe weather warning program.--Ben Jones, AC5SU UNQUOTE Facts and evidence contrary to Brian's assertions keep rolling in and Brian P Burke keeps looking more and more foolish... Will it ever cease...??? Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: Kim wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed and/or carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal see-saw. Prove it. Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT. Ask the anon e-mail "attacker?" Yep...and in this case, we'd be speaking of both of you--if you'll think about it. GRIN For Brian's benefit: Point made. I do my best to avoid the mixed fruit. I did post to one that his comments about Steve's family were dispicable. The only true idiots I've had exchanges with on this newsgroup are probably true idiots in life also. That would be the idiots that can't have disagreements and remain fairly human in the process. No doubt. By the way, I am shocked that I happened to click on this post among those that I scrolled this morning. Heck, this "newsgroup" has gone to ****. It's th usual, Kim...The entrance of Todd Daugherty and his following of anonymous lying cowards is the worst of it...They usually get weary after being slapped around with truth, however. They can't stand being bested. Todd is Steve's new sparring buddy. I made an early post to Todd that his language wouldn't earn him any points here, and then left him alone. Per usual, Steve cannot NOT reply to him. Literally. What the Hell are you, Steve, and you, Brian, even doing engaging these freaks? Do you notice that no one else (well, unless they are posting under other IDs) of the usual gang is even posting? Where's everyone gone? OH, and Brian, I didn't even realize "bb" is you. Is that you, really? bb is me. I don't engage them, and Steve is as low as I go. I'm still trying to find some redeeming quality in him, but he's one marine that's got his head buried in the sand or "SOMEthing." Hi! Yes...that's Brian. He went gutless and won't sign his name to his posts. He tried to "disguise" who he was for a while, but just like Lennie before him, he slipped up one day and "signed" one of his "bb" posts...Got caught lying and STILL won't own up to it. Billy Beeper is bb, in case Steve can't make the connection. The spam in my regular e-mail account has dropped to almost nothing since using this throwaway account. Of course, Steve sees something nefarious in my doing this, yet I have never denied who I am. Anyway...yes, Steve and Brian both, we have had disagreements. The part about being a real human being is recognizing that it takes all kinds, that all have something constructive to offer, and that if we all agreed with each other it'd be a damned boring world. Then, there are the freaks....My favorite worst freak has a name that reminds me of bread..as in roll. LOL Oh, C'mon now, Kim...You two had a "thing"...!!!! =0 Not even funny. GRIN Give the board a rest and let these freaks get outta here... Good idea. Yeh, Steve, good idea. You've single-handedly found them a new home on rrap. Thanks. Besides, I've been nipping at Brian's heels to own up to his OTHER assertions, but the little coward won't answer questions vis-a-vis his OWN assertions. Steve set a record for new lies this past week. He questioned a YLs honor, and then lied about. Then he lied about who objected to it. Then he lied about lying about it. Meanwhile he's been shooting his mouth off to some of the rra.misc freaks. I'm suprised none have taken his advice to put bricks through windows, slash tires, or terrorize wives. After all, Steve says that's been know to happen when a person shoots off their mouth. Right now they're just making vile comments about Steve's family. Kim, nice hearing from you. bb |
On 4 Apr 2005 15:38:11 -0700, bb wrote:
Actually, we have six operators qualified for that location, and we work in teams of three (county voice net, inter-hospital voice net, county-wide packet net) so we'll have plenty of operators. Now c'mon Phil. I used to write duty schedules, so I know how many times two teams of three fit into a calendar day. Is this a two-day ORI? Not nearly. Our hospitals "play" 8-hour shifts per exercise day, which works out just nicely. From prior exercises, we find that 4 hours on and four hours off is a no-sweat deal. A lot of it is sitting around waiting for something to happen. SAC it ain't. Our portion, we were told last week, was split off into a two-day state-wide exercise in June. This area doesn't get to play the full game until TOPOFF-4 which is a couple of years down the road. Maybe by that time "they" will have ironed out the kinks that this year's exercise revealed. No problem - we still get plenty of mini-callouts to deal with, such as the AMTRAK derailment last Sunday. Our ER didn't know how many cases would be diverted to us (fortunately the number was zero) so we were all on standby for two hours. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: TOPOFF-3 will be four days. More than ample time for any one person to pull more than one "shift" during the exercise, depending on how you're defining "shift". 12 hour shifts: Four (assuming 12 on / 12 off) 8 hour shifts: Six (assuming 8 on / 8 off) 4 hour shifts: Eight (assuming 4 on / 8 off) Levy your "attack" on Phil. Phil said it was two days, and that he would be working both days. There was no attack. Either on you, nor especially on Phil. Then why did you find it necessary to snip your crappy little comment? "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?" If I cannot trust the information that the participant provides, then what can I trust? YOU, however, were the one making the comments about how many shifts he was pulling-vs-qualified operators to do it. That is no reflection on Phil. It is a reflection on the rest on the amateur community, as I said. Brian...You CAN pull more than two shifts under ONE of those formats, couldn't you...??? I sure could, and will. CAP is a participating agency in this. Steve, K4YZ Do provide RRAP an after action report of your heroic CAP activities. I don't engage in heroics, Brian. By the book...safe and responsible. That's how I got through my tour in the USMC with my tail intact, that's how I have spent 30+ years in CAP without injury, and that's how I practice Nursing. Your behavio[u]r here indicates otherwise. Now...about your assertion that ARES can't/won't respond to emergencies...Are you going to provide some validation of that statement? Steve, K4YZ ARES will respond to emergencies as they are able, just like cell phones may or may not work in an emergency. ---------- OK, below is the information that Phil provided. ---------- It's a two-day exercise, and I can make it both days. I would guess that you have to pull two shifts because there are not enough amateur volunteers. Actually, we have six operators qualified for that location, and we work in teams of three (county voice net, inter-hospital voice net, county-wide packet net) so we'll have plenty of operators. Now c'mon Phil. I used to write duty schedules, so I know how many times two teams of three fit into a calendar day. Is this a two-day ORI? ---------- You inform me that it is a four day exercise, or 96 hours. Assuming 12-hour shifts, that is 8 time slots. Phil and 5 other volunteers are participating, and each "team" is comprised of three volunteers. That makes two teams. Team A, and Team B. Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts. Day 1, Team A: Day Team B: Night Day 2, Team A: Day Team B: Night Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, team is short handed) Team B: Night Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, team is short handed) Team B: Night Remember, the conditions are that there are only six (6) qualified operators, so there is a deficit of volunteers unless they are pulling some 24 hour shifts. We don't know how few or many shifts the other volunteers will pull. Sorry, Steve, but thems the numbers. And I would guess that Phil's group is quite active. |
"K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... : : So there are four prime examples of YOU not substantiating YOUR : claims, thereby proving MY opinions that you are NOT truthful and that : YOU do not prove YOUR assertions. : : Anything else? : Well, let's examine the record....... "VE3SUN / AB6MW Diagnosed With Lung Cancer" Nice 'shoot from the hip' unsubstantiated claim which you've failed to prove. (And why are you dragging AB6MW into it? His name isn't Peter Jennings.) M.A.N. -- "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." - Voltaire |
Phil Kane wrote: On 4 Apr 2005 15:38:11 -0700, bb wrote: Actually, we have six operators qualified for that location, and we work in teams of three (county voice net, inter-hospital voice net, county-wide packet net) so we'll have plenty of operators. Now c'mon Phil. I used to write duty schedules, so I know how many times two teams of three fit into a calendar day. Is this a two-day ORI? Not nearly. Our hospitals "play" 8-hour shifts per exercise day, which works out just nicely. From prior exercises, we find that 4 hours on and four hours off is a no-sweat deal. A lot of it is sitting around waiting for something to happen. SAC it ain't. Our portion, we were told last week, was split off into a two-day state-wide exercise in June. This area doesn't get to play the full game until TOPOFF-4 which is a couple of years down the road. Maybe by that time "they" will have ironed out the kinks that this year's exercise revealed. No problem - we still get plenty of mini-callouts to deal with, such as the AMTRAK derailment last Sunday. Our ER didn't know how many cases would be diverted to us (fortunately the number was zero) so we were all on standby for two hours. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Decent. You're doing good things. |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: TOPOFF-3 will be four days. More than ample time for any one person to pull more than one "shift" during the exercise, depending on how you're defining "shift". 12 hour shifts: Four (assuming 12 on / 12 off) 8 hour shifts: Six (assuming 8 on / 8 off) 4 hour shifts: Eight (assuming 4 on / 8 off) Levy your "attack" on Phil. Phil said it was two days, and that he would be working both days. There was no attack. Either on you, nor especially on Phil. Then why did you find it necessary to snip your crappy little comment? Because there was no "crappy little comment", Brian. "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?" That's not "crappy", Brian...It's the truth. That YOU don't LIKE it is one thing... If I cannot trust the information that the participant provides, then what can I trust? Yeah...I guess when RRAP is the ONLY place you get your "information" from, then you're pretty much at loggerheads as to what you "know"... YOU, however, were the one making the comments about how many shifts he was pulling-vs-qualified operators to do it. That is no reflection on Phil. It is a reflection on the rest on the amateur community, as I said. I didn't say it was a reflection on Phil, Brian. It's about your own insinuations of why it was "necessary" for Phil to pull more than one "shift" on this exercise. Brian...You CAN pull more than two shifts under ONE of those formats, couldn't you...??? I sure could, and will. CAP is a participating agency in this. Steve, K4YZ Do provide RRAP an after action report of your heroic CAP activities. I don't engage in heroics, Brian. By the book...safe and responsible. That's how I got through my tour in the USMC with my tail intact, that's how I have spent 30+ years in CAP without injury, and that's how I practice Nursing. Your behavio[u]r here indicates otherwise. My behaviour here has nothing to do with what happens in the cockpit of an aircraft, Brian. Now...about your assertion that ARES can't/won't respond to emergencies...Are you going to provide some validation of that statement? ARES will respond to emergencies as they are able, just like cell phones may or may not work in an emergency. Then you are acknowledging that your statement was false and misrepresentitive of ARES' ability to respond...?!?! ---------- OK, below is the information that Phil provided. ---------- It's a two-day exercise, and I can make it both days. I would guess that you have to pull two shifts because there are not enough amateur volunteers. Actually, we have six operators qualified for that location, and we work in teams of three (county voice net, inter-hospital voice net, county-wide packet net) so we'll have plenty of operators. Now c'mon Phil. I used to write duty schedules, so I know how many times two teams of three fit into a calendar day. Is this a two-day ORI? ---------- You inform me that it is a four day exercise, or 96 hours. Assuming 12-hour shifts, that is 8 time slots. Phil and 5 other volunteers are participating, and each "team" is comprised of three volunteers. That makes two teams. Team A, and Team B. Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts. Day 1, Team A: Day Team B: Night Day 2, Team A: Day Team B: Night Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, team is short handed) Team B: Night Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, team is short handed) Team B: Night Remember, the conditions are that there are only six (6) qualified operators, so there is a deficit of volunteers unless they are pulling some 24 hour shifts. We don't know how few or many shifts the other volunteers will pull. Sorry, Steve, but thems the numbers. And I would guess that Phil's group is quite active. And you have made the assumption that they are working 12 hour shifts. Your re-arrangement still does not substantiate your other claims. And Phil states they "work in teams of three". He does not state that all three are "on duty" at all times. I've never been on ANY mission or exercise, USMC, CAP, Red Cross, ARES, etc, where ALL operators were "on duty" at one time. Sorry, Brian...Your contentions are still grasping for straws. Nice try, though. Steve, K4YZ |
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K4YZ wrote: Kim wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed and/or carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal see-saw. Prove it. Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT. Ask the anon e-mail "attacker?" Yep...and in this case, we'd be speaking of both of you--if you'll think about it. GRIN For Brian's benefit: Point made. I do my best to avoid the mixed fruit. I did post to one that his comments about Steve's family were dispicable. Yes you did. And I acknowledged it and thanked you for it. However, as for the "mixed fruit", sorry, Brian, but you're center piece of the fruit bowl. And I reiterate my "point made" statement. It's the usual, Kim...The entrance of Todd Daugherty and his following of anonymous lying cowards is the worst of it...They usually get weary after being slapped around with truth, however. They can't stand being bested. Todd is Steve's new sparring buddy. I made an early post to Todd that his language wouldn't earn him any points here, and then left him alone. Per usual, Steve cannot NOT reply to him. Just like you, Brian...I don't tolerate liars. Todd's not "lied" so much as he's been absolutely assinine, but he's had a couple of peachs in there too. Literally. What the Hell are you, Steve, and you, Brian, even doing engaging these freaks? Do you notice that no one else (well, unless they are posting under other IDs) of the usual gang is even posting? Where's everyone gone? OH, and Brian, I didn't even realize "bb" is you. Is that you, really? bb is me. I don't engage them, and Steve is as low as I go. I'm still trying to find some redeeming quality in him, but he's one marine that's got his head buried in the sand or "SOMEthing." Hi! "...head burined in the sand.." Cute, coming from a person who has a laundry list of patent lies and deceit to his credit in this forum. ...and who buries his face with anonymous screen names and no "signature" on his posts... Yes...that's Brian. He went gutless and won't sign his name to his posts. He tried to "disguise" who he was for a while, but just like Lennie before him, he slipped up one day and "signed" one of his "bb" posts...Got caught lying and STILL won't own up to it. Billy Beeper is bb, in case Steve can't make the connection. The spam in my regular e-mail account has dropped to almost nothing since using this throwaway account. Of course, Steve sees something nefarious in my doing this, yet I have never denied who I am. And it was pointed out to him that he could sign his real name and call to the bottom of posts and not risk "spam". I not only use my real e-mail address, but sign my real name and real callsign to my posts and don't see 10 pieces of spam make it through my filters in a week. Never have. Brian just doesn't want his name associated with his idiotic assertions and blatant lying. Too late. Oh, C'mon now, Kim...You two had a "thing"...!!!! =0 Not even funny. No...it wasn't, hence the face. GRIN Give the board a rest and let these freaks get outta here... Good idea. Yeh, Steve, good idea. You've single-handedly found them a new home on rrap. Thanks. Nope. Thier landing here was the doing of Todd, N9OGL who brought them with him. Besides, I've been nipping at Brian's heels to own up to his OTHER assertions, but the little coward won't answer questions vis-a-vis his OWN assertions. Steve set a record for new lies this past week. He questioned a YLs honor, and then lied about. Then he lied about who objected to it. Then he lied about lying about it. And you've still not proved the FIRST assertion, make all the rest YOUR lies, Brian...Promulgated in a vain hope to hide your own errors. Sorry...It ain't working. Meanwhile he's been shooting his mouth off to some of the rra.misc freaks. I'm suprised none have taken his advice to put bricks through windows, slash tires, or terrorize wives. Who suggested that, Brian? You've uttered similar claims before but S T I L L have not substantiated that ANYONE in this forum, let alone me, made that threat. After all, Steve says that's been know to happen when a person shoots off their mouth. Right now they're just making vile comments about Steve's family. The weak minded take the weak shots. Kim, nice hearing from you. bb Can't even sign your name for a friend. Sheeeesh. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: TOPOFF-3 will be four days. More than ample time for any one person to pull more than one "shift" during the exercise, depending on how you're defining "shift". 12 hour shifts: Four (assuming 12 on / 12 off) 8 hour shifts: Six (assuming 8 on / 8 off) 4 hour shifts: Eight (assuming 4 on / 8 off) Levy your "attack" on Phil. Phil said it was two days, and that he would be working both days. There was no attack. Either on you, nor especially on Phil. Then why did you find it necessary to snip your crappy little comment? Because there was no "crappy little comment", Brian. It was. "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?" That's not "crappy", Brian...It's the truth. That YOU don't LIKE it is one thing... You don't like being called a liar. So stop lying. If I cannot trust the information that the participant provides, then what can I trust? Yeah...I guess when RRAP is the ONLY place you get your "information" from, then you're pretty much at loggerheads as to what you "know"... I know you're a liar. YOU, however, were the one making the comments about how many shifts he was pulling-vs-qualified operators to do it. That is no reflection on Phil. It is a reflection on the rest on the amateur community, as I said. I didn't say it was a reflection on Phil, Brian. It's about your own insinuations of why it was "necessary" for Phil to pull more than one "shift" on this exercise. Looks like there are some empty spots in the schedule. Brian...You CAN pull more than two shifts under ONE of those formats, couldn't you...??? I sure could, and will. CAP is a participating agency in this. Steve, K4YZ Do provide RRAP an after action report of your heroic CAP activities. I don't engage in heroics, Brian. By the book...safe and responsible. That's how I got through my tour in the USMC with my tail intact, that's how I have spent 30+ years in CAP without injury, and that's how I practice Nursing. Your behavio[u]r here indicates otherwise. My behaviour here has nothing to do with what happens in the cockpit of an aircraft, Brian. Then you admit to having multiple personalities? Now...about your assertion that ARES can't/won't respond to emergencies...Are you going to provide some validation of that statement? ARES will respond to emergencies as they are able, just like cell phones may or may not work in an emergency. Then you are acknowledging that your statement was false and misrepresentitive of ARES' ability to respond...?!?! No, that isn't what I said. Are you merely a poor reader, or are you now starting a new lie? ---------- OK, below is the information that Phil provided. ---------- It's a two-day exercise, and I can make it both days. I would guess that you have to pull two shifts because there are not enough amateur volunteers. Actually, we have six operators qualified for that location, and we work in teams of three (county voice net, inter-hospital voice net, county-wide packet net) so we'll have plenty of operators. Now c'mon Phil. I used to write duty schedules, so I know how many times two teams of three fit into a calendar day. Is this a two-day ORI? ---------- You inform me that it is a four day exercise, or 96 hours. Assuming 12-hour shifts, that is 8 time slots. Phil and 5 other volunteers are participating, and each "team" is comprised of three volunteers. That makes two teams. Team A, and Team B. Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts. Day 1, Team A: Day Team B: Night Day 2, Team A: Day Team B: Night Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, team is short handed) Team B: Night Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, team is short handed) Team B: Night Remember, the conditions are that there are only six (6) qualified operators, so there is a deficit of volunteers unless they are pulling some 24 hour shifts. We don't know how few or many shifts the other volunteers will pull. Sorry, Steve, but thems the numbers. And I would guess that Phil's group is quite active. And you have made the assumption that they are working 12 hour shifts. Your re-arrangement still does not substantiate your other claims. Re-arrangement??? The 12 hour shift scenario is a Best Case Scenario. If the shifts were 8 hours, the volunteer deficits would be even greater. And Phil states they "work in teams of three". He does not state that all three are "on duty" at all times. I've never been on ANY mission or exercise, USMC, CAP, Red Cross, ARES, etc, where ALL operators were "on duty" at one time. So you were in the "Day Weanie" Marine Corps? Weather and ATC are 24/7. So is Comms. But you, the mighty day weanie marine warrior know otherwise. Hi, hi! OK, 8 hour shifts: Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts. Day 1, Team A: Day Team B: Swing Team C: Mid (deficit of 3) Day 2, Team A: Day Team B: Swing Team nothing: Mid (deficit of 3) Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1) Team B: Swing Team C: Mid (deficit of 3) Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1) Team B: Swing Team C: Mid (deficit of 3) Steve, have it your way. It makes the situation worse. Sorry, Brian...Your contentions are still grasping for straws. Nice try, though. Idiot. Would you like me to show you what 6 or 4 hour shifts look like??? Steve, K4YZ |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: TOPOFF-3 will be four days. More than ample time for any one person to pull more than one "shift" during the exercise, depending on how you're defining "shift". 12 hour shifts: Four (assuming 12 on / 12 off) 8 hour shifts: Six (assuming 8 on / 8 off) 4 hour shifts: Eight (assuming 4 on / 8 off) Levy your "attack" on Phil. Phil said it was two days, and that he would be working both days. There was no attack. Either on you, nor especially on Phil. Then why did you find it necessary to snip your crappy little comment? Because there was no "crappy little comment", Brian. It was. No, there wasn't. "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?" That's not "crappy", Brian...It's the truth. That YOU don't LIKE it is one thing... You don't like being called a liar. So stop lying. I'm not lying, Brian. If I cannot trust the information that the participant provides, then what can I trust? Yeah...I guess when RRAP is the ONLY place you get your "information" from, then you're pretty much at loggerheads as to what you "know"... I know you're a liar. You SAY I'm a liar, but I've PROVED that you are. YOU, however, were the one making the comments about how many shifts he was pulling-vs-qualified operators to do it. That is no reflection on Phil. It is a reflection on the rest on the amateur community, as I said. I didn't say it was a reflection on Phil, Brian. It's about your own insinuations of why it was "necessary" for Phil to pull more than one "shift" on this exercise. Looks like there are some empty spots in the schedule. Not from here. Especially if they have 6 people to cover a 48 hour period that they are participating... And you STILL have not shown me ONE instance where ARES has failed to respond to ANY incident when asked to do so. My behaviour here has nothing to do with what happens in the cockpit of an aircraft, Brian. Then you admit to having multiple personalities? Nice stretch, Brian. Now...about your assertion that ARES can't/won't respond to emergencies...Are you going to provide some validation of that statement? ARES will respond to emergencies as they are able, just like cell phones may or may not work in an emergency. Then you are acknowledging that your statement was false and misrepresentitive of ARES' ability to respond...?!?! No, that isn't what I said. Are you merely a poor reader, or are you now starting a new lie? What lie? And yes it IS what YOU said, Brian. Word for word. Not a period or comma was dropped. And you have made the assumption that they are working 12 hour shifts. Your re-arrangement still does not substantiate your other claims. Re-arrangement??? The 12 hour shift scenario is a Best Case Scenario. If the shifts were 8 hours, the volunteer deficits would be even greater. "Best case" for whom? Best case ONLY to support YOUR contention of a volunteer deficit IF and ONLY IF you assume that each volunteer only participates once in an exercise. And Phil states they "work in teams of three". He does not state that all three are "on duty" at all times. I've never been on ANY mission or exercise, USMC, CAP, Red Cross, ARES, etc, where ALL operators were "on duty" at one time. So you were in the "Day Weanie" Marine Corps? Weather and ATC are 24/7. So is Comms. But you, the mighty day weanie marine warrior know otherwise. Hi, hi! "Day Weanie"..?!?! You're stretching again, Brian. OK, 8 hour shifts: Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts. Day 1, Team A: Day Team B: Swing Team C: Mid (deficit of 3) Day 2, Team A: Day Team B: Swing Team nothing: Mid (deficit of 3) Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1) Team B: Swing Team C: Mid (deficit of 3) Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1) Team B: Swing Team C: Mid (deficit of 3) Steve, have it your way. It makes the situation worse. No, it doesn't. You can still cover all operating periods with staff. I doubt you were ever a supervisor in the USAF, Brain, from your "all hands on duty now" contention. Sorry, Brian...Your contentions are still grasping for straws. Nice try, though. Idiot. Would you like me to show you what 6 or 4 hour shifts look like??? Brian, six people for a 48 hour period is thin, but adequate. Sorry you don't agree, but then it appears you don't have the supervisory skills to make it work. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Kim wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: There are several people in here with whom I have disagreed and/or carried on length discussions at opposite ends of the verbal see-saw. Prove it. Ask Jim, N2EY Ask James Hampton, AA2QA or Kim, W5TIT. Ask the anon e-mail "attacker?" Yep...and in this case, we'd be speaking of both of you--if you'll think about it. GRIN For Brian's benefit: Point made. I do my best to avoid the mixed fruit. I did post to one that his comments about Steve's family were dispicable. Yes you did. And I acknowledged it and thanked you for it. Don't thank me for being decent. However, as for the "mixed fruit", sorry, Brian, but you're center piece of the fruit bowl. Wrong. And I reiterate my "point made" statement. Then do so; don't just say you did. It's the usual, Kim...The entrance of Todd Daugherty and his following of anonymous lying cowards is the worst of it...They usually get weary after being slapped around with truth, however. They can't stand being bested. Todd is Steve's new sparring buddy. I made an early post to Todd that his language wouldn't earn him any points here, and then left him alone. Per usual, Steve cannot NOT reply to him. Just like you, Brian...I don't tolerate liars. I tolerate you most of the time. Todd's not "lied" so much as he's been absolutely assinine, but he's had a couple of peachs in there too. You're bananas. Literally. What the Hell are you, Steve, and you, Brian, even doing engaging these freaks? Do you notice that no one else (well, unless they are posting under other IDs) of the usual gang is even posting? Where's everyone gone? OH, and Brian, I didn't even realize "bb" is you. Is that you, really? bb is me. I don't engage them, and Steve is as low as I go. I'm still trying to find some redeeming quality in him, but he's one marine that's got his head buried in the sand or "SOMEthing." Hi! "...head burined in the sand.." Cute, coming from a person who has a laundry list of patent lies and deceit to his credit in this forum. I have no patents nor are any pending. Would that be lie #9? ...and who buries his face with anonymous screen names and no "signature" on his posts... We know too much about you. Yes...that's Brian. He went gutless and won't sign his name to his posts. He tried to "disguise" who he was for a while, but just like Lennie before him, he slipped up one day and "signed" one of his "bb" posts...Got caught lying and STILL won't own up to it. Billy Beeper is bb, in case Steve can't make the connection. The spam in my regular e-mail account has dropped to almost nothing since using this throwaway account. Of course, Steve sees something nefarious in my doing this, yet I have never denied who I am. And it was pointed out to him that he could sign his real name and call to the bottom of posts and not risk "spam". I not only use my real e-mail address, but sign my real name and real callsign to my posts and don't see 10 pieces of spam make it through my filters in a week. Never have. Brian just doesn't want his name associated with his idiotic assertions and blatant lying. Too late. Yet Steve does want his name associated with his idiotic assertions and blatant lying. Oh, C'mon now, Kim...You two had a "thing"...!!!! =0 Not even funny. No...it wasn't, hence the face. What face? Which face? How many do you have? GRIN Give the board a rest and let these freaks get outta here... Good idea. Yeh, Steve, good idea. You've single-handedly found them a new home on rrap. Thanks. Nope. Thier landing here was the doing of Todd, N9OGL who brought them with him. Hasn't Jim warned you enough? Why do I always have to do Jim's job where you're concerned? Besides, I've been nipping at Brian's heels to own up to his OTHER assertions, but the little coward won't answer questions vis-a-vis his OWN assertions. Steve set a record for new lies this past week. He questioned a YLs honor, and then lied about. Then he lied about who objected to it. Then he lied about lying about it. And you've still not proved the FIRST assertion, make all the rest YOUR lies, Brian...Promulgated in a vain hope to hide your own errors. Sorry...It ain't working. You made the assertion. Why would I have to prove your assertion? Meanwhile he's been shooting his mouth off to some of the rra.misc freaks. I'm suprised none have taken his advice to put bricks through windows, slash tires, or terrorize wives. Who suggested that, Brian? You've uttered similar claims before but S T I L L have not substantiated that ANYONE in this forum, let alone me, made that threat. Again, you made those assertions. Why do I have to substantiate your assertions? I'm not in the business of sorting out your inuendos, lies, and veiled threats, from the times you just might be telling the truth. Not my yob, man. After all, Steve says that's been know to happen when a person shoots off their mouth. Right now they're just making vile comments about Steve's family. The weak minded take the weak shots. And the big mouth becomes the target. Just as you predicted. Kim, nice hearing from you. bb Can't even sign your name for a friend. Sheeeesh. Steve, K4YZ I have no digital signature capability at this time. bb |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: TOPOFF-3 will be four days. More than ample time for any one person to pull more than one "shift" during the exercise, depending on how you're defining "shift". 12 hour shifts: Four (assuming 12 on / 12 off) 8 hour shifts: Six (assuming 8 on / 8 off) 4 hour shifts: Eight (assuming 4 on / 8 off) Levy your "attack" on Phil. Phil said it was two days, and that he would be working both days. There was no attack. Either on you, nor especially on Phil. Then why did you find it necessary to snip your crappy little comment? Because there was no "crappy little comment", Brian. It was. No, there wasn't. Yes, there was. "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?" That's not "crappy", Brian...It's the truth. That YOU don't LIKE it is one thing... You don't like being called a liar. So stop lying. I'm not lying, Brian. Lie #10 this week? If I cannot trust the information that the participant provides, then what can I trust? Yeah...I guess when RRAP is the ONLY place you get your "information" from, then you're pretty much at loggerheads as to what you "know"... I know you're a liar. You SAY I'm a liar, but I've PROVED that you are. You've proven your self to be a liar this past week, and many many times previously. YOU, however, were the one making the comments about how many shifts he was pulling-vs-qualified operators to do it. That is no reflection on Phil. It is a reflection on the rest on the amateur community, as I said. I didn't say it was a reflection on Phil, Brian. It's about your own insinuations of why it was "necessary" for Phil to pull more than one "shift" on this exercise. Looks like there are some empty spots in the schedule. Not from here. Did you fill them in? Especially if they have 6 people to cover a 48 hour period that they are participating... Correction. Two teams of 3 people each. And you STILL have not shown me ONE instance where ARES has failed to respond to ANY incident when asked to do so. I've showed one instance where one volunteer is overextended. Are you the only overextended volunteer in the ARS? My behaviour here has nothing to do with what happens in the cockpit of an aircraft, Brian. Then you admit to having multiple personalities? Nice stretch, Brian. Not a stretch. When ATC fumbles a phonetic or pressure atlitude, do you key the mic and keep repeating "LIAR, LIAR, LIAR?" That's the Steve Robeson in RRAP. Introduce us to the Steve Robeson, CAP Ace sometime. Now...about your assertion that ARES can't/won't respond to emergencies...Are you going to provide some validation of that statement? ARES will respond to emergencies as they are able, just like cell phones may or may not work in an emergency. Then you are acknowledging that your statement was false and misrepresentitive of ARES' ability to respond...?!?! No, that isn't what I said. Are you merely a poor reader, or are you now starting a new lie? What lie? And yes it IS what YOU said, Brian. Word for word. Not a period or comma was dropped. Lie #11? And you have made the assumption that they are working 12 hour shifts. Your re-arrangement still does not substantiate your other claims. Re-arrangement??? The 12 hour shift scenario is a Best Case Scenario. If the shifts were 8 hours, the volunteer deficits would be even greater. "Best case" for whom? For covering all of the shifts. Best case ONLY to support YOUR contention of a volunteer deficit IF and ONLY IF you assume that each volunteer only participates once in an exercise. Phil acknowledged that he is participating twice. You acknowledged that it is a 96 hour exercise. I provided a best case scenario where only two 12 hour shifts in the four day period had a deficit of one volunteer each. Thems the facts. And Phil states they "work in teams of three". He does not state that all three are "on duty" at all times. I've never been on ANY mission or exercise, USMC, CAP, Red Cross, ARES, etc, where ALL operators were "on duty" at one time. So you were in the "Day Weanie" Marine Corps? Weather and ATC are 24/7. So is Comms. But you, the mighty day weanie marine warrior know otherwise. Hi, hi! "Day Weanie"..?!?! You're stretching again, Brian. Support guys like you. People who are not in operations, don't have to keep it going 24/7. OK, 8 hour shifts: Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts. Day 1, Team A: Day Team B: Swing Team C: Mid (deficit of 3) Day 2, Team A: Day Team B: Swing Team nothing: Mid (deficit of 3) Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1) Team B: Swing Team C: Mid (deficit of 3) Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1) Team B: Swing Team C: Mid (deficit of 3) Steve, have it your way. It makes the situation worse. No, it doesn't. You can still cover all operating periods with staff. I doubt you were ever a supervisor in the USAF, Brain, from your "all hands on duty now" contention. Hi! Hi, hi, hi!!! Were you a reservist? Sorry, Brian...Your contentions are still grasping for straws. Nice try, though. Idiot. Would you like me to show you what 6 or 4 hour shifts look like??? Brian, six people for a 48 hour period is thin, but adequate. Inadequate for the 96 hour period that you specified, and the "team of 3" requirement that Phil specified. Them's the facts. Sorry you don't agree, but then it appears you don't have the supervisory skills to make it work. Steve, K4YZ The supervisor fills in when there are a lack of personnel. But you didn't see much of that in the USMC, didja, ya Day-Weanie Marine. Look, it's a new week and I'm in a good mood. Just got back from a great scout camping trip. Wx was perfect, invigorating hike, gourmet chicken in a foil pack dinner last night, must not have snored too much last night because my throat isn't sore. Just admit to your lies, say you're sorry, and begin this week with a fresh start. The truth will set you free. |
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