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wrote: From: "K=D8=88B" on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 7:18 am "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... Didn't Hans put that well into the 70's for the Navy? No, Hans didn't. The last significant use of Morse in the Navy was in the late 50's/early 60's. This usage was by small-boys, DD and smaller, on "fox" broadcasts and "A1" ship/shore circuits. Both uses ended with fleetwide deployment of Jason and Orestes circuits in the early 60's. Morse training for general duty Navy RM's ceased at the same time, and Morse operator became a specialized NEC (MOS to you grunts) held by only a few sailors, mostly in SPECOM branches (intercept operators, etc.). The single operational Morse use which survived was the VLF SSBN transmissions (two transmitters, one Cutler, ME and the other at Jim Creek, WA). That was a simple slow-speed beaconing system which notified boomers to pop up their satcomm antennas for the actual communications. 73, de Hans, K0HB Master Chief Radioman, US Navy Thank you for factual corroboration, Hans. What Hans "corroborated" was the FACT that Morse Code WAS in use by the Armed Forces well after you said they weren't. My nephew-in-law was an electrician's mate on a shark, involved with reactor power plants, not radio...(SNIP) Which only means that there is yet another member of your family out there with as much practical experience in Amateur Radio as you have... The original "Sigaba" on-line TTY crypto terminal was first installed in the 1940s...(SNIP) And had nothing to do with Amateur Radio practice or policy. The "Sigaba" encryption looked like severely distorted TTY to any standard, non-crypto TTY terminal, totally unreadable...(SNIP) A lot like most of your anti-Amateur Radio rants. By interviews and other correspondence, the U.S. Army maintained morsemanship as a requisite for Field Radio MOSs ("NEC" to swabbies?) up to about 1972. Not "required" for "Field Radio MOS's" (yes, NEC's to "swabbies") however STILL taught and STILL used in the 21st Century. There was no movie-style "behind enemy lines" use of morse in the 1990-1991 period...or afterwards. Ohhhhh...Geeeeee....You mean there is SOMEthing our government doesn't disclose to Leonard H. Anderson..?!?! Imagine that! Steve, K4YZ |
wrote: From: on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 3:42 am wrote: From: on Wed,Apr 13 2005 4:28 am [etc., etc., etc...] Granted, you didn't see any "morse code modes" in use at ADA. But to say there was none used at all, anywhere in the US military is a different thing. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Changing the subject. No he didn't. Just pointed out that YOU tried to change the parameters to meet your rants again...Didn't work. And you didn't see any "morse code modes" at ADA...Unless, of course, you're lying to us again.... Long-distance point-to-point communications bore the brunt of ALL military branchs' message traffic to an amount of GREATER than a million messages a month. What's interesting is that you have to qualify the statement as "long-distance point-to-point communications" - because Morse Code was then still being used *extensively* by the US Navy, by the maritime radio services, by aircraft and by many other radio services such as press services. "Extensively?!?" HOW DO YOU KNOW? :-) Sweetums, I WAS PART OF IT. Liar. By your own documentation you were nothing more than a radio mechanic. You never held "radio operator", "message center", or other similar OPERATOR MOS's. Army station ADA, as assigned to Far East....(SNIP) Same rant. Still irrelevent. Sweetums, that "extensively" is just your wishful thinking. Of course there was SOME morse being used by all branches in 1953. But, HOW MUCH? YOU DON'T KNOW! YOU WERE NEVER IN. YOU NEVER DID IT FOR THE MILITARY. He is as likely to know as you are, Lennie. He has the same resources at his disposal to "research" as you do. And it was on fixed, predetermined frequencies, using equipment most individuals could not afford to buy. Tsk, that's called PROFESSIONAL COMMUNICATIONS, sweetums. When one is IN the Cold War and trying NOT to let it develop into a nuclear confrontation, one uses absolutely the BEST stuff to "get the message through." OH WOW! Now Lennie prevented World War Three! ! ! ! And it was *not* the kind of communications that make up the vast majority of amateur radio communications. Don't misdirect, sweetums. YOU started this thread with an emotional message about "morse code in the window" at a CANADIAN MILITARY museum. Try to stay within a few light-years of the subject. He's a lot closer than you are, Your Lyinghsip. At some point, anyway. The US Navy was still using Morse Code long after the beginning of the 1950s. HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU DIDN'T SERVE. So, by YOUR logic, a guy who spent 2 years on KP knows more about Morse Code usage in the Armed Forces than Jim Miccolis! So was the Coast Guard. HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU DIDN'T SERVE. So, by YOUR logic, a guy who spent 2 years on KP knows more about Morse Code usage in the Armed Forces than Jim Miccolis! The REAL QUESTION, Lennie, is HOW DO YOU know...?!?! You were NEVER a military radio operator, and yet you "served" in the Army. OH! OH! ERROR! MISTAKE! First of all, your buddie and pal, Stevie he say that "MARS IS amateur radio!" Tsk. MARS' first letter in that acronym means MILITARY. And the SECOND letter is AFFILIATE...As in affiliated with the Amateur Radio Service...From which this MILITARY program draws it's operators. And Lennie...what MARS calls have YOU held? I was NNN0VVU from 1977 to 1982. I was a guest op briefly for NNN0MOQ in 1980, then CHOP of NNN0MOF in 1981 and ANCOIC of the Okinawa Island-Wide MARS Program in that same time frame. I was also AFA1OQ from 1983 to 1987. I joined ARMY MARS briefly in 1999 just before my daughter passed...AAT4SA. Secondly, check with a REAL MARS civilian volunteer. You will find out that the military GIVES them radio goodies. No need to "buy." BBBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA ! ! ! !! ! ! ! ! MARS allows participants who have ALREADY met certain PARTICIPATION goals to draw equiment from surplus stock! In other words, you operate YOUR gear on MARS assignments BEFORE you EVER get to "go shopping"... ! ! ! ! And MARS "issues" of surplus radios dwindled to less than a trickle YEARS AGO! ! ! ! BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! Military already bought the stuff and used it. Be NICE to MARS folks, Jimmie, maybe they'll GIVE you an AN/FRC-93 for nothing; it's a Collins KWM2 Commercial transceiver with a military nameplate. And most likely they never will. Nor are they about to issue any other gear to anyone who hasn't already established dedicated participation to warrant ANY "equipment issue". Big snip of usual divergant rhetoric... For over half a century (actually, since before WW2) the brunt of messaging in the military has been done by modes OTHER than morse code. Even if true, (it's not) so what? HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU'VE NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY. What does serving in the Armed Forces have to do with it, Lennie? YOU constantly insist that since EVERYTHING you could possibly want to know about "radios" , military or otherwise, is on the net, it's not necessary for you to be a licensed Amateur to know about Amateur policy issues. However your FREQUENT errors, including the ones above vis-a-vis MARS is GLARING PROOF that your LACK OF PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE make you ill-prepared, yea incompetent, to make INFORMED opinions on the matter... Yet you still bombard this NG with tons of rants pontificating on matters you are't qualified to discuss. You're argument says that since most US Navy ships stopped relying on the wind for propulsion long ago, nobody should own a sailboat today, even for "a hobby pursuit, a recreation, something done on free time for enjoyment." Sweetums, this newsgroup is NOT about BOATING. It's "NOT" about a LOT of things that YOU feel free to discuss at length when the mood strikes you. But you do it anyway. Anderson, you keep delivering corroborating evidence to my claims of your ignorance and incompetence in Amateur Radio (and MARS) issues, and for that I thank you! What a PUTZ! Steve, K4YZ |
wrote: From: on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 3:42 am wrote: From: on Wed,Apr 13 2005 4:28 am Granted, you didn't see any "morse code modes" in use at ADA. But to say there was none used at all, anywhere in the US military is a different thing. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Changing the subject. Where? Long-distance point-to-point communications bore the brunt of ALL military branchs' message traffic to an amount of GREATER than a million messages a month. How do you know, Len? Were you in the Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard too? And even if true - so what? What's interesting is that you have to qualify the statement as "long-distance point-to-point communications" - because Morse Code was then still being used *extensively* by the US Navy, by the maritime radio services, by aircraft and by many other radio services such as press services. "Extensively?!?" HOW DO YOU KNOW? :-) Same way you know about most things. Others told me, I read source material, etc. Sweetums, I WAS PART OF IT. :-) Part. But not all. Your personal experience was just a small part of the big picture. Army station ADA, as assigned to Far East Command Headquarters, carried not only Army traffic, but some USN traffic, some USAF traffic, some Press Services, even some Red Cross message traffic. ALL on TTY. *Some* of that traffic. Not all of it. So you can't really speak for what was done through other channels other than by what you've read and been told - same as me. Not a bit of morse code. And ADA was just the third largest station in ACAN (Army Commmand and Administrative Network). That "little" station (36 transmitters, all over 1 KW and on 24/7) relayed 220 thousand messages a month (1955). WAR (Washington Army Radio) handled over a million a month then. But you weren't at those places, were you? Sweetums, that "extensively" is just your wishful thinking. Of course there was SOME morse being used by all branches in 1953. That's all I'm saying. But, HOW MUCH? A lot. Enough that all branches were training radio operators to use the mode. YOU DON'T KNOW! You don't know, either, Len. You weren't there, were Morse was being used. YOU WERE NEVER IN. So what? You were never a radio amateur, but you claim to know all about what hams do and what amateur radio is all about. YOU NEVER DID IT FOR THE MILITARY. You mean operate Morse Code? Neither did you! Your tunnel vision of "long-distance point-to-point communications" by the US military is about as relevant as the fact that Morse Code wasn't in use on the AM broadcast band in the 1930s. Tsk. A reducto ad absurdum. You must be getting rattled, sweetums. Reductio ad absurdum is a valid argument tool. I'm not rattled at all, Len. You're the one shouting and carrying on in a very immature way. So typical, so predictable. You are too young to have listened to Walter Winchell's "news broadcasts" on radio. He "used morse code" at every opening...apparently for some weird "authenticity" since ol' Walt was getting on towards Alzheimers at the time. I've heard the recordings. What he used was just a prop. And it was on fixed, predetermined frequencies, using equipment most individuals could not afford to buy. Tsk, that's called PROFESSIONAL COMMUNICATIONS, sweetums. When one is IN the Cold War and trying NOT to let it develop into a nuclear confrontation, one uses absolutely the BEST stuff to "get the message through." You didn't have to pay for it yourself, though. I'm sure the Canadian military did the same within their budget constraints. You want the U.S. military to act like amateurs? :-) No. But you seem to want amateurs to act like the US military. Some of us think that POLICY of the U.S. government is "done by amateurs" but that's a whole other story. OK, Len. Who did you vote for in the US presidential elections of 2000 and 2004? You've spoken of President Bush's "coronation day" - so I think you voted for one of the other guys. And it was *not* the kind of communications that make up the vast majority of amateur radio communications. Don't misdirect, sweetums. Not a misdirection, Len. A simple fact. At some point, anyway. The US Navy was still using Morse Code long after the beginning of the 1950s. HOW DO YOU KNOW? Same way you do, Len. From others. YOU DIDN'T SERVE. You were never in the Navy. So was the Coast Guard. HOW DO YOU KNOW? Same way you do, Len. From others. YOU DIDN'T SERVE. You were never in the Coast Guard. But you have made fun of the Coast Guard service of a CG radio operator. That SHOULD have some meaning to rational persons insofar as the efficacy of morse code for communications... There you go, Len, assuming your conclusion. What you're saying is that because the Army didn't use it, nobody should use it. For the VAST MAJORITY of message traffic in the U.S. military - ALL BRANCHES - morse code mode was NOT used "extensively." How do you know? You didn't serve in those other branches. You weren't there. What the heck, Jimmie Noserve, you weren't IN any military, not even in Canada. Why are you all upset? I'm not upset, Len. You're the one shouting and carrying on like a jackass all over the place, over the mention of the use of Morse code. Here's a hint: Ham radio isn't the US Army. When Uncle Sam is willing to buy radios for all hams, then maybe you'll have a point. OH! OH! ERROR! MISTAKE! Yes, you do make plenty of those. First of all, your buddie and pal, Stevie he say that "MARS IS amateur radio!" Tsk. MARS' first letter in that acronym means MILITARY. Len - I'm not Steve. Secondly, check with a REAL MARS civilian volunteer. You will find out that the military GIVES them radio goodies. No need to "buy." Military already bought the stuff and used it. So *some* hams get the castoffs from the military. Not *all* hams, and not complete stations. Be NICE to MARS folks, Jimmie, maybe they'll GIVE you an AN/FRC-93 for nothing; it's a Collins KWM2 Commercial transceiver with a military nameplate. Don't want one. And it's a KWM-2A, with the extra crystal positions. too prone to human errors by its operators, All communications modes are prone to operator error. The person typing on a teleprinter can make a mistake, too. HOW DO YOU KNOW? Been there, done that. Don't see any TTY in that picture of YOUR ham shack! :-) I've done RTTY, Len. At an amateur radio station. Nope. You just don't like the mode. Sweetums, I just don't LIKE the TEST for it. :-) No, you just don't like the mode. Your behavior proves it. |
wrote: wrote: Sweetums, I WAS PART OF IT. :-) Part. But not all. Your personal experience was just a small part of the big picture. Lennie was squat. He was a radio mechanic at a rear-area radio station. His knowledge of the "big picture" was "tunnel vision", at best when he was "in", and would be no more today if not for the research resources of the Internet today. Army station ADA, as assigned to Far East Command Headquarters, carried not only Army traffic, but some USN traffic, some USAF traffic, some Press Services, even some Red Cross message traffic. ALL on TTY. *Some* of that traffic. Not all of it. So you can't really speak for what was done through other channels other than by what you've read and been told - same as me. Not a bit of morse code. And ADA was just the third largest station in ACAN (Army Commmand and Administrative Network). That "little" station (36 transmitters, all over 1 KW and on 24/7) relayed 220 thousand messages a month (1955). WAR (Washington Army Radio) handled over a million a month then. But you weren't at those places, were you? Of course not. But he SERVED! By simple virtue of having gone through boot camp, he was given all military knowledge of all services in the pre/post Colonial days and ever since... Tsk, that's called PROFESSIONAL COMMUNICATIONS, sweetums. When one is IN the Cold War and trying NOT to let it develop into a nuclear confrontation, one uses absolutely the BEST stuff to "get the message through." You didn't have to pay for it yourself, though. But he SERVED! Again, by simple virtue of having gone to boot camp, Lennie was given all knowledge of all things "military". He was also made sole owner, heir and heir apparent to all materiel past, present and future. Nothing has ever happened in the Armed Forces that didn't get his explicit consent or approval first. I'm sure the Canadian military did the same within their budget constraints. You want the U.S. military to act like amateurs? No. But you seem to want amateurs to act like the US military. But of course! That's the way Lennie learned how to do it, and by golly, that IS how everyone else is going to do it... Wait...where have I heard THAT before..?!?! OH YEAH! Lennie accusing US of making that "demand" of prospective Amateurs! Some of us think that POLICY of the U.S. government is "done by amateurs" but that's a whole other story. OK, Len. Who did you vote for in the US presidential elections of 2000 and 2004? You've spoken of President Bush's "coronation day" - so I think you voted for one of the other guys. And it was *not* the kind of communications that make up the vast majority of amateur radio communications. Don't misdirect, sweetums. Not a misdirection, Len. A simple fact. "Simple facts" are not Lennie's forte. What the heck, Jimmie Noserve, you weren't IN any military, not even in Canada. Why are you all upset? I'm not upset, Len. You're the one shouting and carrying on like a jack### all over the place, over the mention of the use of Morse code. Lennie brags about "serving", which I would assume to mean that he adamandtly supported and defended the Constitution of the United States... ....the SAME Constitution that doesn't REQUIRE military service. Yet he's yelling and hollering about people NOT "serving"... What's this putz's problem, Jim? Guess he only supports those parts that suit him... Secondly, check with a REAL MARS civilian volunteer. You will find out that the military GIVES them radio goodies. No need to "buy." Military already bought the stuff and used it. So *some* hams get the castoffs from the military. Not *all* hams, and not complete stations. If MARS just "gave" stuff to Hams, then the MARS rolls would be a lot more robust than they are today, what with folks getting in line for free radios and all..... Sweetums, I just don't LIKE the TEST for it. No, you just don't like the mode. Your behavior proves it. Actually, it was a diversional lie...to cover up his greater hatred and disdain for all things "Amateur". Leonard H. Anderson "likes" nothing but himself. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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Secondly, check with a REAL MARS civilian volunteer. You will find out that the military GIVES them radio goodies. No need to "buy." BBBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA ! ! ! !! ! ! ! ! MARS allows participants who have ALREADY met certain PARTICIPATION goals to draw equiment from surplus stock! As of my most recent participation in the MARS program, that equipment was loaned, not given. It was issued on a hand receipt. In other words, you operate YOUR gear on MARS assignments BEFORE you EVER get to "go shopping"... ! ! ! ! And MARS "issues" of surplus radios dwindled to less than a trickle YEARS AGO! ! ! ! I knew some fellow in the Shreveport/Bossier City, Louisiana area who were already long time MARS participants in the late 1960's. Some of them had items like R-390 receivers, VHF FM gear and the like. None of them had any transmitting equipment provided by MARS. There was not much in the way of equipment available from AF MARS at that time. Nobody with with only a year or two of participation was eligible to receive any equipment at all. I did snag some lengths of really, really old coaxial cable. My AF MARS activities were done with equipment I bought and paid for myself. I'll chalk this up as something else which Leonard Anderson knows little about. Dave K8MN |
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... K4YZ wrote: Secondly, check with a REAL MARS civilian volunteer. You will find out that the military GIVES them radio goodies. No need to "buy." BBBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA ! ! ! !! ! ! ! ! MARS allows participants who have ALREADY met certain PARTICIPATION goals to draw equiment from surplus stock! As of my most recent participation in the MARS program, that equipment was loaned, not given. It was issued on a hand receipt. In other words, you operate YOUR gear on MARS assignments BEFORE you EVER get to "go shopping"... ! ! ! ! And MARS "issues" of surplus radios dwindled to less than a trickle YEARS AGO! ! ! ! I knew some fellow in the Shreveport/Bossier City, Louisiana area who were already long time MARS participants in the late 1960's. Some of them had items like R-390 receivers, VHF FM gear and the like. None of them had any transmitting equipment provided by MARS. There was not much in the way of equipment available from AF MARS at that time. Nobody with with only a year or two of participation was eligible to receive any equipment at all. I did snag some lengths of really, really old coaxial cable. My AF MARS activities were done with equipment I bought and paid for myself. I'll chalk this up as something else which Leonard Anderson knows little about. Dave K8MN Both I and my OM were MARS operators for a short time in the early 1990s, there was never even a hint that they might offer equipment to either one of us. Nor did any of the promotional material, training material, etc ever mention such a possibility. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... K4YZ wrote: Secondly, check with a REAL MARS civilian volunteer. You will find out that the military GIVES them radio goodies. No need to "buy." BBBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA ! ! ! !! ! ! ! ! MARS allows participants who have ALREADY met certain PARTICIPATION goals to draw equiment from surplus stock! As of my most recent participation in the MARS program, that equipment was loaned, not given. It was issued on a hand receipt. In other words, you operate YOUR gear on MARS assignments BEFORE you EVER get to "go shopping"... ! ! ! ! And MARS "issues" of surplus radios dwindled to less than a trickle YEARS AGO! ! ! ! I knew some fellow in the Shreveport/Bossier City, Louisiana area who were already long time MARS participants in the late 1960's. Some of them had items like R-390 receivers, VHF FM gear and the like. None of them had any transmitting equipment provided by MARS. There was not much in the way of equipment available from AF MARS at that time. Nobody with with only a year or two of participation was eligible to receive any equipment at all. I did snag some lengths of really, really old coaxial cable. My AF MARS activities were done with equipment I bought and paid for myself. I'll chalk this up as something else which Leonard Anderson knows little about. Dave K8MN Both I and my OM were MARS operators for a short time in the early 1990s, there was never even a hint that they might offer equipment to either one of us. Nor did any of the promotional material, training material, etc ever mention such a possibility. Thanks for the confirmation, Dee. I think the equipment gravy train dried up a long time ago. When it existed, the equipment was loaned. I understood that after it was in the possession of an individual for some time, it was occasionally written off. I know of several occasions when those who were loaned gear were requested to return it. Dave K8MN |
"K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... KØHB wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... Didn't Hans put that well into the 70's for the Navy? No, Hans didn't. Thank-you for the correction. Master Chief Radioman, US Navy You forgot something..."Retired". Steve, K4YZ |
"K4YZ" wrote You forgot something..."Retired". What did I forget? My account was as complete as needed. And what does "Retired" have to do with it? de Hans, K0HB |
K=D8HB wrote: "K4YZ" wrote You forgot something..."Retired". What did I forget? My account was as complete as needed. And what does "Retired" have to do with it? Details, Master Chief. You've thumped me over the head with otherwise trivial "details" on other posts before...Are you not subject to the same expectation? 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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wrote: From: on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 3:42 am Be NICE to MARS folks, Jimmie, maybe they'll GIVE you an AN/FRC-93 for nothing; it's a Collins KWM2 Commercial transceiver with a military nameplate. Don't want one. And it's a KWM-2A, with the extra crystal positions. It certainly is the KWM-2A. Nearly a year ago, Len told us: "The exception was the procurement of the AN/FRC-93 HF transceiver, the commercial version (full crystal bank) of the Collins KWM2. [I have the TM on it and can tell where to get it for free PDF download...even for Canadians... :-) ] " The commercial version of the Collins KWM-2A is the Collins KWM-2A. I have a government surplus unit. It has no military nameplate identifying it as an AN/FRC-93. The units I used in Vietnam had no military nameplates identifying them as AN/FRC-93 units. The manuals we had on hand were Collins KWM-2A manuals. Well there ya go! :-) Everybody ought to run right over to LOGSA (that stands for LOGistical Supply Agency) and tell them... THE AN/FRC-93 DOESN'T EXIST! Gosh yes...and TM 11-5820-554-12 doesn't exist, either! Guess that LOGSA ought to destroy that particular CD of TMs because Davie's (in-country?) KWM2 didn't have an "official" nameplate, just the Collins thing. :-) Oh, and there are about a half dozen versions of this non-existant transceiver plus several separate TMs (that's TM for Technical Manual for you civilians) for ancilliary Collins units to work with it. Would you like the NSN (National Stock Number) for this non-existant-nomenclature radio set? :-) [before you burn all those CDs in your outrage, or whatever] Oh, and the manual produced by Collins Radio was reproduced for most of this TM. That's rather common for COTS (Commercial Off-The Shelf) electronic equipment (and other things) and has been done for many, many years. Oh, yeah, and TMs are now also distributed on CDs to all branches of the military. Saves space and paper plus the weight on shipping the printed versions. All the branches have computers now, even stuff in the field. Those computers have "AN" numbers and "NSNs" also but I don't DARE write them in here due to the hostile environment presented by die-hard PCTAs. Those can't exist if Davie says they don't exist! :-) Temper fry... |
wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 3:42 am Be NICE to MARS folks, Jimmie, maybe they'll GIVE you an AN/FRC-93 for nothing; it's a Collins KWM2 Commercial transceiver with a military nameplate. Don't want one. And it's a KWM-2A, with the extra crystal positions. It certainly is the KWM-2A. Nearly a year ago, Len told us: "The exception was the procurement of the AN/FRC-93 HF transceiver, the commercial version (full crystal bank) of the Collins KWM2. [I have the TM on it and can tell where to get it for free PDF download...even for Canadians... :-) ] " The commercial version of the Collins KWM-2A is the Collins KWM-2A. I have a government surplus unit. It has no military nameplate identifying it as an AN/FRC-93. The units I used in Vietnam had no military nameplates identifying them as AN/FRC-93 units. The manuals we had on hand were Collins KWM-2A manuals. Well there ya go! Everybody ought to run right over to LOGSA (that stands for LOGistical Supply Agency) and tell them... THE AN/FRC-93 DOESN'T EXIST! I'd be interested in learning where in Dave's post he said it didn't exist. I only saw where he said the KWM-2A didn't have a name plate with that nomenclature on it. I used KWM-2A's at NNN0MOQ, MOF and at "NZJ". No AN/FRC-93 plates on them either. Just stock KWM-2A's with Stock Collins operator and repair manuals. (We did our own repairs at MOF.) (plus cryastals) Oh, yeah, and TMs are now also distributed on CDs to all branches of the military. Saves space and paper plus the weight on shipping the printed versions. All the branches have computers now, even stuff in the field. Those computers have "AN" numbers and "NSNs" also but I don't DARE write them in here due to the hostile environment presented by die-hard PCTAs. Those can't exist if Davie says they don't exist! He never said "they don't exist". I haven't seen him say "they didn't exist". He just said they didn't have a nameplate with that nomenclature. Of course YOU wouldn't know since YOU weren't there to see it for yourself. Again, Lennie making accusations without practical experience to back it up. You DIDN'T SERVE when/where he did. Nor where I did, for than matter. Temper fry... Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: bb wrote: wrote: What does it matter whether I served in any military or not? Kind of makes it hard to be a Veteran if you didn't serve. But then comes you. A licensee with no antenna. In your case one has to conclude that becoming a Veteran was easier than putting up an antenna. Brian P Burke and Leonard H Anderson both epitomize all of the things that give other veterans a black eye. I would not want to be in a social setting where their status as veterans was known and then announce that I was a vet too. That's one "guilty by association" that I will gladly avoid. Steve, K4YZ There is no guilt in military service, unless you lie about it. Like saying that you have "real military experience" when you don't, or saying that you have "seven hostile actions" when you have none. Lennie's use of the sacrifice of life for his own glorification is one of the most "intolerable sins" amongst veterans. Period. Every veteran has put themselves in the queu for sacrifice. So Jim asks what difference serving in the military makes? That is the answer. Apparently he had something more important to do. Best of Luck. None needed, but thanks. Steve, K4YZ Best of Luck. |
K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: "K4YZ" on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 2:27 am wrote: bb wrote: wrote: What does it matter whether I served in any military or not? Kind of makes it hard to be a Veteran if you didn't serve. But then comes you. A licensee with no antenna. In your case one has to conclude that becoming a Veteran was easier than putting up an antenna. Brian P Burke and Leonard H Anderson both epitomize all of the things that give other veterans a black eye. I would not want to be in a social setting where their status as veterans was known and then announce that I was a vet too. That's one "guilty by association" that I will gladly avoid. Tsk, tsk. You had BETTER avoid it! Once you step away from the Legion Hall bar YOU are liable to not make it out of the parking lot! I don't drink, Lennie. Was that the 12th step? Probably has something to do with your medical discharge. Sweetums, I have an HONORABLE discharges from military service. Yes, you do. But it's your self-serving use of the deaths of others for your own glorification that dishonored whatever you DID do good, Lennie. Jim asked what difference it makes if he served or not? Soldiers die. Kellie ain't got a one! Kellie couldn't make it in or got away with staying out (take a pick, prick). You've been asked this before, I am asking again: WHAT LAW DID BRIAN KELLY VIOLATE BY NOT SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES...?!?! Kellie lied about it. He claimed to have "real military service." (Caps not for yelling, but to make it easier for the old man to read...he has obviouly had a hard with it!) What have YOU got? A medical discharge. Nope. Same Honorable you've got, Lennie. You claim, and then try to bluff everyone into believing "it was changed to an 'honorable' discharge." Do WE have "proof" of that? NO! It was never "changed" to an Honorable, Lennie. It was Honorable all along. I was discharged. Was Kelly discharged? Jim? Tsk. I can digitize my 1960 HONORABLE discharge...(SNIP) Sure you can. Two problems, though. One, you've already done the "I am going to send you an e-mail" trick wherein you DIDN'T send what you promised you were going to do. Why do you use the word "promised?" Is it a cheap Robeson trick to make greater your injury? Hi! Trust blown. Secondly, as I have said over an over, I don't doubt that you have an "Honorable" discharge. But what I HAVE said over and over it's HOW YOU DISGRACED YOUR SERVICE WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF OTHER'S SACRIFICES THAT MAKE YOU THE SCUMBAG YOU ARE! Didn't people who didn't serve make selfish use of other's sacrifices? Me, I got NO problems associating with REAL military veterans. Done it much...and NOT at some Legion Hall bar. Done it for years. I'm proud of what I did and there are NO blemishes on my military record. I'm sure Brian has a good record, too. "It ain't braggin if ya did it." I did it. You also "did it" when you tried to embellish YOUR "record" with the deaths of Soldiers who died in combat before you were even inducted. What? No marines ever died in combat prior to your service? You enlisted because it was safe and you knew you'd get back in one piece (didn't happen, did it?) Jim asks what difference serving or not serving in the military makes? I'd like to see you explain it to him. Get some mental help, Psychotic Pstevie. You need it. Not even remotely as much as you, old man. Let the professionals make that determination. ex-RA16408336, U.S. Army 1952-1960, HONORABLE discharge Pathologiocal liar and teller of Tall Tales. User Of Other's Sacrifices. Putz. Steve, K4yz What about your claim of seven hostile actions? |
"K4YZ" wrote Details, Master Chief. You've thumped me over the head with otherwise trivial "details" on other posts before. I thought my account was sufficiently detailed to the question at hand. If you want more non-related detail, ask Len Anderson to go cut and paste some out-of-context triva from somewhere. Then you two can bicker over it. I'm outa here. Hans, K0HB Master Chief Radioman, USN |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: I don't drink, Lennie. Was that the 12th step? Probably has something to do with your medical discharge. Nope. Has to do with getting more out of life with a clear head than without it. You should try it. Sweetums, I have an HONORABLE discharges from military service. Yes, you do. But it's your self-serving use of the deaths of others for your own glorification that dishonored whatever you DID do good, Lennie. Jim asked what difference it makes if he served or not? Soldiers die. So do construction workers who build bases, or mechanics that manufacture tanks. The fact of the matter is that except in the most aggrevious warfare, more Americans die on the highways at home than do Servicemen. You've been asked this before, I am asking again: WHAT LAW DID BRIAN KELLY VIOLATE BY NOT SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES...?!?! Kellie lied about it. He claimed to have "real military service." You'll have to show me that one, Brain. I've seen where he's said he worked WITH the Armed Forces, but never "I was in..." It was never "changed" to an Honorable, Lennie. It was Honorable all along. I was discharged. Was Kelly discharged? Jim? I ams till trying to figure out your point here. Tsk. I can digitize my 1960 HONORABLE discharge...(SNIP) Sure you can. Two problems, though. One, you've already done the "I am going to send you an e-mail" trick wherein you DIDN'T send what you promised you were going to do. Why do you use the word "promised?" Is it a cheap Robeson trick to make greater your injury? Nope. Because he lied. An Anderson trick, but not an uncommon one. Trust blown. Secondly, as I have said over an over, I don't doubt that you have an "Honorable" discharge. But what I HAVE said over and over it's HOW YOU DISGRACED YOUR SERVICE WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF OTHER'S SACRIFICES THAT MAKE YOU THE SCUMBAG YOU ARE! Didn't people who didn't serve make selfish use of other's sacrifices? Oh come on, Burke...Building upon the sacrifices others made is one tthing...That's how America got to BE America. Your "mentor" intentionally tried to get away with making it appear as though HE had "served" with the Soliders who were KIA. THAT is DISGUSTING. You also "did it" when you tried to embellish YOUR "record" with the deaths of Soldiers who died in combat before you were even inducted. What? No marines ever died in combat prior to your service? You enlisted because it was safe and you knew you'd get back in one piece (didn't happen, did it?) I never tried to convince anyone that I was somehow involved in a war that happened 3 years before I was enlisted. Jim asks what difference serving or not serving in the military makes? I'd like to see you explain it to him. It DOESN'T matter...It's NOT the law, and not every person was meant to be a Soldier or Marine. Get some mental help, Psychotic Pstevie. You need it. Not even remotely as much as you, old man. Let the professionals make that determination. I am one of the professionals, Brian. Licensed. ex-RA16408336, U.S. Army 1952-1960, HONORABLE discharge Pathologiocal liar and teller of Tall Tales. User Of Other's Sacrifices. Putz. Steve, K4yz What about your claim of seven hostile actions? Tried to trust YOU once upon a time, Brain, but you blew YOUR "trust" opportunity too. Oh well. Steve, K4YZ |
K=D8HB wrote: "K4YZ" wrote Details, Master Chief. You've thumped me over the head with otherwise trivial "details" on other posts before. I thought my account was sufficiently detailed to the question at hand. Guess not sufficiently enough. If you want more non-related detail, ask Len Anderson to go cut and paste some out-of-context triva from somewhere. Then you two can bicker over it. Why? He wouldn't get it right anyway. I'm outa here. Promises, promises. Hans, K0HB Master Chief Radioman, USN Retired. Steve, K4YZ |
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wrote in message oups.com... The only encryption used by the USA (and Canada as well as the UK) was the "Sigaba" as shown on the USS Pampanito floating museum and at the NSA on-line Museum. Wrong, kind elderly Gentleman. It wasn't the "only encryption used by the USA". SIGABA (KL-29/BACCUS) was only ONE of SEVERAL encryption systems used by the USA during WWII. In fact, it wasn't even the most commonly used one (KL7/ADONIS holds that honor). The "Sigaba" system (TTY), upgraded to post-WW2 standards was severely compromised by the capture of the USS Pueblo off the North Korean coast in 1968. Wrong again, SIGANDERSON. SIGABA (and it's "upgrades") were retired from service in 1959, almost a decade before the Lloyd Bucher shamefully struck his colors to the Koreans.. 73, de Hans, K0HB Master Chief Radioman, US Navy |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... The only encryption used by the USA (and Canada as well as the UK) was the "Sigaba" as shown on the USS Pampanito floating museum and at the NSA on-line Museum. Wrong, kind elderly Gentleman. It wasn't the "only encryption used by the USA". SIGABA (KL-29/BACCUS) was only ONE of SEVERAL encryption systems used by the USA during WWII. In fact, it wasn't even the most commonly used one (KL7/ADONIS holds that honor). The "Sigaba" system (TTY), upgraded to post-WW2 standards was severely compromised by the capture of the USS Pueblo off the North Korean coast in 1968. Wrong again, SIGANDERSON. SIGABA (and it's "upgrades") were retired from service in 1959, almost a decade before the Lloyd Bucher shamefully struck his colors to the Koreans.. 73, de Hans, K0HB Master Chief Radioman, US Navy Hans is typical of radiomen. The more he runs his mouth, the more his gross ignorance shows. His earlier statement about Morse no longer being widely taught or used in the U.S. armed forces is but one case in point. Now he attacks Lloyd Bucher! Is there any doubt the Navy was correct in disbanding the Radioman rating? Good riddance! How's the story telling going down at the Legion Hall Hans? 73, Lloyd |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: I don't drink, Lennie. Was that the 12th step? Probably has something to do with your medical discharge. Nope. Has to do with getting more out of life with a clear head than without it. You should try the "clear head" stuff. You should try it. You should. Sweetums, I have an HONORABLE discharges from military service. Yes, you do. But it's your self-serving use of the deaths of others for your own glorification that dishonored whatever you DID do good, Lennie. Jim asked what difference it makes if he served or not? Soldiers die. So do construction workers who build bases, or mechanics that manufacture tanks. The fact of the matter is that except in the most aggrevious warfare, more Americans die on the highways at home than do Servicemen. And heroes all of them, defending the country. """Sorry Hans, a run-over Jay-Walker IS a Veteran!!!""" Hi! You've been asked this before, I am asking again: WHAT LAW DID BRIAN KELLY VIOLATE BY NOT SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES...?!?! Kellie lied about it. He claimed to have "real military service." You'll have to show me that one, Brain. I've seen where he's said he worked WITH the Armed Forces, but never "I was in..." It was in a brag-tape challenge to one of the rra.misc cretins. You guys tend to attract the wrong element to rrap. It was never "changed" to an Honorable, Lennie. It was Honorable all along. I was discharged. Was Kelly discharged? Jim? I ams till trying to figure out your point here. "Just answer the man's question." Tsk. I can digitize my 1960 HONORABLE discharge...(SNIP) Sure you can. Two problems, though. One, you've already done the "I am going to send you an e-mail" trick wherein you DIDN'T send what you promised you were going to do. Why do you use the word "promised?" Is it a cheap Robeson trick to make greater your injury? Nope. Because he lied. An Anderson trick, but not an uncommon one. I've yet to see Len say, "Steve, I promise..." Ever. So why do you say that he promised? My OPINION is that he did not promise, and you lied about it. Why do I think that? Because it fits you to a T. Trust blown. Secondly, as I have said over an over, I don't doubt that you have an "Honorable" discharge. But what I HAVE said over and over it's HOW YOU DISGRACED YOUR SERVICE WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF OTHER'S SACRIFICES THAT MAKE YOU THE SCUMBAG YOU ARE! Didn't people who didn't serve make selfish use of other's sacrifices? Oh come on, Burke...Building upon the sacrifices others made is one tthing...That's how America got to BE America. They had ample opportunity to serve. Jim says he "served in other ways." Kelly says he has "real military experience." Your "mentor" intentionally tried to get away with making it appear as though HE had "served" with the Soliders who were KIA. THAT is DISGUSTING. Perhaps you got it wrong. Perhaps he served with soldiers that SURVIVED IN ACTION. I know I did. You also "did it" when you tried to embellish YOUR "record" with the deaths of Soldiers who died in combat before you were even inducted. What? No marines ever died in combat prior to your service? You enlisted because it was safe and you knew you'd get back in one piece (didn't happen, did it?) I never tried to convince anyone that I was somehow involved in a war that happened 3 years before I was enlisted. You tried to convince us that you were involved in 7 hostile actions that never occurred. Jim asks what difference serving or not serving in the military makes? I'd like to see you explain it to him. It DOESN'T matter...It's NOT the law, and not every person was meant to be a Soldier or Marine. Now you are telling me that your service didn't matter. Hans' service didn't matter. Len's service didn't matter. Roll's service didn't matter. Morgan's service didn't matter. Get some mental help, Psychotic Pstevie. You need it. Not even remotely as much as you, old man. Let the professionals make that determination. I am one of the professionals, Brian. Licensed. Wrong. ex-RA16408336, U.S. Army 1952-1960, HONORABLE discharge Pathologiocal liar and teller of Tall Tales. User Of Other's Sacrifices. Putz. Steve, K4yz What about your claim of seven hostile actions? Tried to trust YOU once upon a time, Brain, but you blew YOUR "trust" opportunity too. Oh well. Yeh, yeh. You talked on a radio. Is that what you're calling a hostile action? Did the radio topple off the field desk and dent your spit-shined boot? That's right, Gunny. You can't trust anyone. That's one sign of a mentally ill person (paranoia). |
From: "bb" on Sat,Apr 16 2005 6:22 am
K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: "K4YZ" on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 2:27 am Brian P Burke and Leonard H Anderson both epitomize all of the things that give other veterans a black eye. I would not want to be in a social setting where their status as veterans was known and then announce that I was a vet too. That's one "guilty by association" that I will gladly avoid. Tsk, tsk. You had BETTER avoid it! Once you step away from the Legion Hall bar YOU are liable to not make it out of the parking lot! I don't drink, Lennie. Was that the 12th step? Probably has something to do with your medical discharge. Er, Brian, Psychotic Pstevie NOW says his discharge was "honorable all along!" :-) Gosh, I wonder if some medical tech ever did a culture on what was in that "discharge?" [might be a medical breakthrough! :-) ] Pstevie doesn't drink? Gosh and golly, from the looks of things in here, I think he strains out the pickles (KOSHER of course) from those jars and enjoys the dill juice. Keeps his "Gunnery Sgt command voice" in the proper sour tone, the lips pursed in proper Dill Sergeant disapproval. :-) Sweetums, I have an HONORABLE discharges from military service. Yes, you do. But it's your self-serving use of the deaths of others for your own glorification that dishonored whatever you DID do good, Lennie. Jim asked what difference it makes if he served or not? Soldiers die. Pstevie MUST get his "insult quotient" of the day in. He MUST "avenge" his "outrage" (at being caught LYING to others and not having his brags believed). The original thread subject is of no consequence to Pstevie. He MUST take REVENGE!!! :-) Quite so...soldiers, sailors, airmen may ALL die in the performance of their military duty. MAY. All of us who wore the uniform know that, in greater or lesser degree depending on the individual. We do honor those who gave their lives...or who had their lives taken from them in the course of duty. "Civilians" (those who never served in the military) don't have a rapport with that. They only have the emotional, second-hand viewing of movies, TV, and published accounts, at best a vicarious "experience" based only on their emotional take on it. Because of that emotion-only input, they cannot comprehend being IN any such situation. Because their input is only second-hand and emotional, they will confuse that with whatever other emotions they have. A case in point is Jimmie's apparent glorification of morse code use on radio in WW2 with warfare itself. All grand and glorious but the warfare happening well before his lifetime. He can't really comprehend what it means to be IN a true warfare situation OR in a military situation of any kind. He has no baseline from which to judge. At best, all he can do is an intellectual exercise of words, of imagination, so that he can give the appearance of "knowing" what it is like. Now we've got Psychotic Pstevie who claims "insult" that others can actually honor those who died in the performance of their military duties...especially those of the same military unit. Jimmie has NO sense of "unit cohesiveness" that grows in every military unit, the bond of all who serve in a unit. Such a bond is not easily explainable in words but it can be felt deep inside. It is visceral, deep in the psyche. It can't be fully realized until one has done it. Psychotic Pstevie the Psonofabitch perverses such honoring of a unit's dead in order to produce his interminable insult-throwing. He is a special case, perhaps one who should be IN a case, locked away. When I've stood Retreat at sundown with the special order of honoring those 19 of the 71st Battalion who died on 1 July 1950, I was not thinking ahead to many years later of "bragging" about personal exploits. Those 19 were ALL "rear area" communications Signalmen; the 71st served the Far East Command Headquarters directly and General Mac had ordered that group to Korea to reinforce the partly overrun communications system at the start of the Korean War. Their transport crashed on landing, killing not only them but also the four in the aircrew. Stuff happens and none of them expected that. Army Central Command honored two of the 19 by naming the Battalion's billet as Hardy Barracks, later the new transmitter site as Camp Tomlinson. That is the best that the military can do besides the "insurance" money and consoling of their families. The media had not yet come up with "body counts" of the later Vietnam War, that sorry excuse to make warfare sound like some pro football game...which it definitely is not. Jimmie and Pstevie have made much of "rear area" military service, as if that is a disreputable thing. About six out of seven military personnel ARE "rear area" and not DIRECTLY involved in actual "battle." Yet, with the mobility of modern warfare ANY ONE of those six may be thrust into some kind of "battle" or, in the case of the 19 from the 71st Signal Battalion, dying for no cause of theirs or the enemy. "Rear area" service is necessary to prosecute the mass logistics of warfare...to coordinate supplies arriving to replenish consumables, to get reinforcements or replacements...even to perform ground service on aircraft such as helicopters. None of us "rear area" personnel are expected to be "in the thick of battle" (as Jimmie may think, never having served and getting input only from mass media). We did our tasks as assigned, following the orders passed down along chain of command. We did our DUTY and took pride in what we did, even if we didn't get our names in magazines or amass "scores" to show "how good/superious" we were. Most of us survived to continue life outside of the military. A few of us "lucked out" in doing our duty, such as my getting assigned to a big communications station. I had NO hand in getting such, had to accept what happened. Some, like myself, availed themselves of the opportunity to learn, to grow in knowledge of communications arts, technology. You've been asked this before, I am asking again: WHAT LAW DID BRIAN KELLY VIOLATE BY NOT SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES...?!?! Kellie lied about it. He claimed to have "real military service." Kellie once said he had "26 patents." Actually, he had only ONE, the other 25 being grants in other countries for the SAME patent. Same as I did although my single patent may have had 28 foreign grants; exact number varied depending on who was contacted at RCA Corporation Legal. It was never "changed" to an Honorable, Lennie. It was Honorable all along. I was discharged. Was Kelly discharged? Jim? They "served in other ways." However, Pstevie contradicted himself. In here, Pstevie said he had a Medical discharge "from an accident." Discharges for enlisted personnel are either Honorable, Dishonorable, or Medical. Tsk. I can digitize my 1960 HONORABLE discharge...(SNIP) Sure you can. Two problems, though. One, you've already done the "I am going to send you an e-mail" trick wherein you DIDN'T send what you promised you were going to do. Poor Psycho Pstevie, still ANGRY over another accident. He neglected (deliberately) to say that he was sent the correct file later, not once but twice. Pstevie was SO angry and upset that he REFUSED to look at the correct file. [his RAGE is legendary...] Why do you use the word "promised?" Is it a cheap Robeson trick to make greater your injury? Hi! Pstevie thinks ALL exist to SERVE HIM! :-) Pstevie is a warlord-wannabe (or some kind of self- professed nobility person) who demands OBEDIANCE from those he threatens. Secondly, as I have said over an over, I don't doubt that you have an "Honorable" discharge. But what I HAVE said over and over it's HOW YOU DISGRACED YOUR SERVICE WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF OTHER'S SACRIFICES THAT MAKE YOU THE SCUMBAG YOU ARE! Didn't people who didn't serve make selfish use of other's sacrifices? Psycho Pstevie the Psonofabitch would think that my periodic placement of flags on veteran's graves is an INSULT!!! He may think that placing my hand over my heart (in civilian salute) to the flag of the USA is an INSULT!!! Pstevie makes Memorial Day less memorable... You also "did it" when you tried to embellish YOUR "record" with the deaths of Soldiers who died in combat before you were even inducted. What? No marines ever died in combat prior to your service? You enlisted because it was safe and you knew you'd get back in one piece (didn't happen, did it?) The USMC uniform was pretty...two colors of blue, white hat, flashy red stripe on the outside of each trouser, shiny chromed SWORD! Wowee! Pstevie says I was "inducted." ERROR. I volunteered. I was sworn into service. There's a difference. In the 50s the Army had its own "ASN" or Army Serial Number. Mine was RA 16 408 336. The "RA" prefix stood for "Regular Army" and denoted volunteer enlistment. Draftees (those inducted) had "US" prefixes, standing for "Army of the United States." Activated National Guard had "NG" prefixes. Commissioned officer ASN prefixes were simply "O." Jim asks what difference serving or not serving in the military makes? I'd like to see you explain it to him. I wonder if Pstevie will order him to "GET DOWN AND GIVE ME TWENTY!!!" :-) Get some mental help, Psychotic Pstevie. You need it. Not even remotely as much as you, old man. Let the professionals make that determination. Pstevie gonna say "HE has the 'professional qualifications!'" :-) Pstevie still hasn't "picked up the phone to tell 'authorities' to come pick me up for mental stuff!" He said he "could do that" (apparently by the powers that be in Pstevieland). Pathologiocal liar and teller of Tall Tales. User Of Other's Sacrifices. Putz. Steve, K4yz What about your claim of seven hostile actions? Pstevie gave his life for his country seven times? He must have cat DNA...but only two lives left! Psychotic Pstevie should call the VA and ask them who had ASN RA16408336. Tsk. Not a "tall tale." Getting tired of the Psychotic One going on his HATE binges. I thought U.S. ham radio was all about good fellowship and friendly helping of those who don't know about radio? Not in Pstevie's back yard. :-) |
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wrote: From: Dave Heil on Apr 12, 9:31 pm It only shows what a snow-jobbing laid-off murine does under the guise of a U.S. AMATEUR radio extra callsign. Tosses brags like they were bagels. What brags, Len? Look at American foreign policy since the end of the USA's involvement in Vietnam. Plenty of "hostile actions" for active-duty, career military personnel to be a part of in a variety of roles. And that's just the "hostile actions" we civilians know about. How does that tie in with the use of morse code in museum windows? Oh, yes, Jimmie Noserve KNOWS all about "hostile actions." Sure...READING about them, WATCHING movies and TV. Wow! To my knowledge, Steve has never stated that DOD does not direct MARS. His claim is that if there were no radio amateurs, there'd have been no MARS program. In that, he is correct. Bull****. Well, you're certainly the authority on *that* subject, Len! ;-) I know TRUTH as opposed to snow-job braggadoccio. Psycho Pstevie is an "extra class" snow-jobber. And, mister wizard, you REWROTE what Robeson wrote. "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio." In NO way did Pstevie write what YOU say he wrote. In NO way did Pstevie's single sentence say what you IMPLY it did. He is NOT "correct." MARS always was and remains a MILITARY radio system. But most of the participants aren't in the military. How do YOU know? Are you now working for the Army MARS Hq at Fort Huachuca? Or any of the other service branch MARS Headquarters? Didn't you READ the DoD directive visible to anyone on the given link? Haw, that's funny. Len, you pretty much come unglued at the slightest opposition to your cherished statements, or when someone refuses to feed your insult machine. "Insult machine?" Jimmie Noserve wants the exclusive use of that "machine?" Oh, yes, that ties right in with a Canadian museum having morse code in its window...sure... If you ain't got the guts to tell the details, you AIN'T done it. Simple as that. Then you must think that Brian Burke, N0IMD-allegedly-/T5, "ain't done it", because he won't give any details about his amateur radio operation in Somalia. Then you must be as nuts as Psycho Pstevie. Tsk. Pstevie pervertedly pejorated hisself at least a couple orders of magnitude with his alleged "poor repfit" of NADC on my visit there 34 years ago...and is still trying (vainly) to rationalize his LIE as some kind of "truth." I'm just showing what a damn LIAR he is. But, Pstevie is your BUDDIE and therefore can do NO wrong. He is PCTA extra Double Standard class and can therefore say ANYTHING he wants in your complete approval. Orwell did a good job describing the subjective reality mindset in his classic "1984". You remind me of "Big Brother", Len, in the way you want to rewrite history to fit your mindset. Pizz off, sweetie. You are going hot and heavy into this personal insult thing and Brian Burke is NOT a part of it. If a person does something, they've done it whether they talk about it or not. Or whether you believe it or not. Simple as that. Tsk. Turn your phrase around. If a person TALKS about something, that isn't "proof" that they've DONE it. :-) Psycho Pstevie still hasn't come up with a SINGLE detail of "proof" on his insult of my "fitrep" at NADC. And if K4YZ really did participate in seven hostile actions, then it happened regardless of whether details are given or not. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IS TRUTH? :-) You've NEVER served OR done any "hostile actions" other than petty intellectual arguments on Internet. No, Len, that's not true. FCC is involved - but you're not FCC. James P. Miccolis is NOT FCC. :-) Amateur radio manufacturers are involved - but you're not one of them, either. James P. Miccolis is NOT a "manufacturer of radios." You're not involved. OH! "Not involved!!!" The U.S. Government gives me the RIGHT to vote, on anything up for a vote! I am NOT "involved in government" yet I can vote on government officials! [really!] I am NOT "involved" in any of the proposals to be voted on yet I can VOTE on them! Wow! I'm "not involved" in so many things!!!! BULL****, sweetums. The FCC determines who gets a radio license and sets the standards. The ARRL does NOT. Jimmie Noserve does NOT. Davie Heil does NOT. The "ham community" does NOT. It's the FCC, sweetie. [and that's the absolute truth...pbthththt] The "F" in FCC stands for "Federal." That means that ANYONE can make themselves and their opinions known to them (see the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution). The FCC does NOT limit itself to amateur regulation input SOLELY from amateurs. It isn't an exclusive clubhouse...even though you try to convey that idea. Who? Not you, of course. You're not involved. What? Paradoxical. According to that, one can't get INTO amateur radio WITHOUT being "involved," BUT...to BE "involved" one has to ALREADY be IN amateur radio. Tsk. If you don't like paradoxes, all you are doing is trying to make it all into a private clubhouse. Sorry, the Communications Act of 1934 took that away when the FCC was created to regulate ALL civil radio in the USA. ALL, Jimmie. Len knows more about radio operation. Tsk. I know HOW they work and the protocols needed in some radio services. But not amateur radio. Not Morse Code. Your knowledge is all theory, no practice, when it comes to amateur radio. Sidewalk superintendent stuff. All hat and no cattle, all talk and no action. Okay, so you DON'T think that amateur radio works by the same principles of physics as all other radio services. Electrons, fields, and waves all work in in an "amateur fashion" if you have an AMATEUR radio license! An AMATEUR radio "won't work" unless it has a valid, certificated amateur radio operator operating it? Wow. Learn something every day. Well, no sweat. Someone who doesn't KNOW the "ham way" should be FIRED, right? Give up their ham job? Be prosecuted if they don't behave according to YOUR set of regulations? Sweetie, I've designed and built those "sidewalks," and the "buildings" they are in front of, done the "civil engineering" testing on those "buildings" to make sure they are in-spec. Let your aphorisms fly where they may Luke Skysulker, "may the aphorism be with you!" You did some articles for a now-long-defunct New England-based ham radio magazine 22+ years ago. None of them were about building or operating an amateur radio station. Poor baby. Still sulking about NOT getting published in anything but "Electric Radio?" :-) Still ****ed because I was an Associate Editor there, and so listed on their masthead? Awwww...the opportunity could have been YOURS, sweetie. Better luck, next time. Other than that, Jimmie do NOT say squat. He afraid others find out? Why no, Len. I'm not "afraid" of others finding out. I just choose not to give out that information. Can't blame you. :-) Who did you vote for in the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004, Len? Where there RADIO issues proposed by the candidates then? I watched the debates on TV rather than listening to the radio. Fill me in. HOW is such information REQUIRED to discuss amateur radio regulations and how to get INTO amateur radio by licensing? WHO did you VOTE for in Canada on their last election? Are you "afraid" to say? :-) The U.S. military did NOT use morse code in long-distance fixed-point to fixed-point communications a half century ago and still don't. Even if that's true - what does it matter to amateur radio policy? Sorry, Jimmie, under YOUR "rules," if I SAID it, then it must be true! :-) Actually, it IS true, but YOU are AFRAID to find out. The fantasy that the rest of the radio world "still uses morse code" is way too strong a mental narcotic for you. You can't go cold turkey. Amateur radio isn't the US military. MARS is military. "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" :-) Amateur radio is NOT Private Land Mobile Radio Service. Amateur radio is NOT Mass Media Radio Service. Amateur radio is NOT Maritime Radio Service. Amateur radio is NOT Aviation Radio Service. Amateur radio is NOT Personal Radio Service. Etc. Tsk. Some of you olde-tyme hammes need to get your noses out of old WW2 surplus radio books and inspect the rest of the radio world. Is that an order? Are you afraid to take orders? Is that why you never volunteered for military service? :-) Why should what other radio services do be more important to amateur radio policy than what hams do? Why should amateur radio policy be dictated SOLELY by already-licensed radio amateurs? That's in direct VIOLATION of both the 1st Amendment and the Communications Act of 1934. I see. Well, Len, you have the thinnest skin of all those here, because you get insulted by *any* opposition.. What "opposition?" :-) There's Jimmie Noserve who likes to make out that he KNOWS ALL about the military...but never served. There's a psycho-sick whacko inventing "fitreps" about me that never happened... There's a few more and have been lots more. Not a problem. Lots of you knowitalls and control freaks on the Internet who "get off" on being "superior" on their screens. Tsk. Been that way since computer-modem communications got going over three decades ago. :-) Who did you vote for in the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004, Len? Maybe I've forgotten! :-) What Prime Minister candidate did you vote for in Canada, Jimmie? What military did you serve in up in Canada, Jimmie? Did you do any morse code in their military? Were you in any Canadian "hostile actions?" Or did you forget? How did the Morse-o-Meal taste this morning? [have some crow for supper...] Bye... :-) |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: The fact of the matter is that except in the most aggrevious warfare, more Americans die on the highways at home than do Servicemen. And heroes all of them, defending the country. """Sorry Hans, a run-over Jay-Walker IS a Veteran!!!""" Hi! The point beig, Brain, that civilians die in the course of both "peacetime" and states of war too. Do a bit of history research on "Maritime Marine", "Civil Air Patrol" and "Office of Civilian Defense" during WW2. CAP "civilians" still lose their lives "in the line of duty", and they weren't even getting paid for it. Steve, K4YZ |
wrote: From: "bb" on Sat,Apr 16 2005 6:22 am Now we've got Psychotic Pstevie who claims "insult" that others can actually honor those who died in the performance of their military duties... Your "honoring" was a blatant attempt to put YOU up front. That's the disgusting part. Psychotic Pstevie the Psonofabitch... Ahhhhhhhhhh, Lennie, even MORE name calling! Why am I not surprised? Rest of your ususal pontification and self-righteous indignation snipped for bandwidth conservation. You're still a lair, Lennie. You're still not an Amateur Radio licensee, and will never have a fraction of the experiences in Amateur Radio that any other person in this NG has. Sucks to be you! Steve, K4YZ |
wrote: From: on Sat,Apr 16 2005 8:44 am Amateur radio isn't the US military. MARS is military. "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" No Amateur Radio = No MARS. The "A" in MARS stands for "Affiliate", as in "Affiliated" with Amateur Radio. Amateur radio is NOT Private Land Mobile Radio Service. But Amateur Radio is used as an emergency adjunct to it, so sayeth the FCC. (You know, Lennie...the FEDERAL Communications Commission...) Amateur radio is NOT Mass Media Radio Service. But under certain circumstances may be used to assist in that pursuit...so sayeth the FCC. Amateur radio is NOT Maritime Radio Service. But Amateur Radio is routinely carried aboard both commercial and pleasure vessles of many types...Including warships of the United States Navy...So sayeth the FCC AND the Deaprtment of Defense. Amateur radio is NOT Aviation Radio Service. But with the permission of the pilot-in-command, Amateur Radio activities may be conducted from both private and commercial aircarft...So sayeth the FCC AND the FAA. Amateur radio is NOT Personal Radio Service. But Amateur Radio may be rotinely used for many of the same purposes of the Personal Radio Service...So sayeth the FCC... So...so far we have at least three federal agencies telling us that Amateur Radio CAN be used under all of the flags above that Lennie said Amateur Radio "wasn't". Sheeeesh. Leonard H. Anderson is a putz. A loser again...\ Steve, K4YZ |
From: "K=D8=88B" on Sat,Apr 16 2005 3:47 pm
wrote in message roups.com... The only encryption used by the USA (and Canada as well as the UK) was the "Sigaba" as shown on the USS Pampanito floating museum and at the NSA on-line Museum. Wrong, kind elderly Gentleman. It wasn't the "only encryption used by the USA". SIGABA (KL-29/BACCUS) was only ONE of SEVERAL encryption systems used by the USA during WWII. In fact, it wasn't even the most commonly used one (KL7/ADONIS holds that honor). Of course it's "wrong," you are always "right." :-) Never had a crypto clearance in the service, certainly not in WW2. You have one then? [of course you did...] Have to "dot the i and cross the t" to the EXACT number or else be sentenced to a capital-crime felony in here? :-) All I know is the basic principle of the system, obtained in a couple of interesting books by CIVILIANS! :-) Also an article by the Chief Cryptographer of the U.S. Army...a civilian! :-) The "Sigaba" system (TTY), upgraded to post-WW2 standards was severely compromised by the capture of the USS Pueblo off the North Korean coast in 1968. Wrong again, SIGANDERSON. SIGABA (and it's "upgrades") were retired from service in 1959, almost a decade before the Lloyd Bucher shamefully struck his colors to the Koreans.. No problem, Super Chief. :-) Until around 1964 I didn't KNOW the EXACTNESS of the systems or even how it was done. The crypto stuff would roll in looking for all the world as way-off-bias-distortion-prone TTY on any standard TTY...on what I saw in the Army. I'm sure you think that the Army sent everything "in clear" using morse code (to confuse the 'enemy') and all that. That's another subject of course and I'm not allowed to talk of that; I need an AMATEUR RADIO license in order to talk about military/all- Navy encryption. :-) The system used then was a "rotor" type (familiar name). Essentially a set of rotary switches turning at different rates (according to key settings, crypto key, not key on a manual keyboard operation). Those rotary switches ("rotors") scrambled the normal TTY in synchronism with the TTY motor and would also UN-scramble received TTY. Neat thing about that, even with the "wrong" name and all the EXACT number and letter designators, was that NOBODY COMPROMISED IT! Sunnuvagun! Lots and lots of cryptologists and historians have tried to see if anyone compromised it on any intercepts during WW2 and somewhat afterwards (I won't say the EXACT year because you want to snarl and argue about it if I do) but haven't come up with anything yet. Of course you are on this wonderful, traditional, "do or die," "death before dishonor" bull**** attitude in regards to Commander Bucher. Riiiiight...the USN thoughtfully "armed" the USS Pueble with a single machine gun and a few personal arms of some of the personnel. NOT ENOUGH destruct flares on board to destroy equipment. Pueblo was surrounded in shallow water...not a big problem to have NORTH Korean divers raise enough equipment to sell to the USSR. But... "being there" (in your heart) you would want everyone to FIGHT TO THE LAST MAN! Wow, lot of "good" that was goint to do. By the way, since you are so picky-picky about EXACT names and things, the USS Pueblo was captured by NORTH Koreans. Korea isn't unifed yet, hasn't been since the USSR jumped in on the tailboard of WW2 and "occupied" the North and sticking in their communist government ideas there. As a separate Korean nation, that is. The crew of the USS Pueblo (officially a USN ship, an "oceanographic research vessel" according to our government) pretty much survived captivity. [do you need an EXACT body count?] Bucher survived. But, Bucher died not too long ago. No problem for you, huh? The USN didn't haul him up for any courts martial. He was allowed to retire. [you were allowed to retire, right?] CWO Walker, USN, STOLE whole technical manuals (by photographic copying) and Key Lists while SERVING in the USN. Sold the material to the USSR. Walker was eventually caught, tried, and sentenced to life in a federal pen. [do you need the EXACT details on that, too, and if no one supplies them, are they "all wrong?"] Walker is STILL ALIVE! Sunnuvagun! You don't posit that as a "terrible thing," do you? You want to try and convict (in absentia) a USN commissioned officer stuck in an untenable position in his command...but you don't give a **** about ANOTHER USN officer, a Warrant, doing deliberate TREASON while SERVING! That's okay? 73, de Hans, K0HB Master Chief Radioman, US Navy Good grief, you didn't "cross the tee" in your manuevers properly. You should have pointed out that the USN closed down ELF transmitters in Clam Lake, WI, and Republic, MI, at the end of September 2004!!! No more 76 Hz at 1 MW. [too many in the U.S. north country want to "save the environment" and "preserve world peace" by withholding the use of *nuclear* (horrors!) missles] Riiiight...76 Hz is terribly harmful to the ecology they think! Tsk, tsk! You could have had a FINE time doing the pillory bit on me...but you NEGLECTED to do so! Missle submarines and attack submarines have to use alerts from VLF stations NAA, NLK, NPM, NML, NAU, NRK, NWC...frequencies from 19.8 to 40.8 KHz. But, I almost hesitate to list those since you will NO DOUBT want the EXACT details, the EXACT locations, and the EXACT mode, protocol, and all that...or ANY listing is TOTALLY WRONG!!! :-) Cool it, Master super-duper Chief (USN). I'm still a citizen of the U.S. of A. and served in MY country's (USA) military BEFORE you did. I know that doesn't count for much in this din of inequity but it's all I got. :-) By the way, for EXACTNESS, my surname was NEVER "SIGANDERSON." You made a "mistake" but I won't hold anything against you. Well, maybe a bayonet or such... :-) Temper fry... |
wrote in message oups.com... Walker is STILL ALIVE! Sunnuvagun! He shouldn't be. |
wrote: Cool it, Master super-duper Chief (USN). I'm still a citizen of the U.S. of A. and served in MY country's (USA) military BEFORE you did. I know that doesn't count for much in this din of inequity but it's all I got. Of course Lennie's reading the riot act to someone about experience and "seniority", yet is first and loudest to cry foul if Amateurs point out HIS lack of "experience and seniority". By the way, for EXACTNESS, my surname was NEVER "SIGANDERSON." You made a "mistake" but I won't hold anything against you. Well, maybe a bayonet or such... And Lennie, always quick to find SOME "threat" in anything, blatantly threatens Hans with a bayonet. Why am I not surprised? Temper fry... Steve, K4YZ |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... : ... almost a decade before the Lloyd Bucher shamefully struck his : colors to the Koreans.. Shameful is in the eye of the beholder. Captain Bucher was not punished for surrendering, just as the US didn't punish the Jews who attacked his sister-ship, USS Liberty on a similar mission. Probably because then the Navy would have needed to punish those who sent those ships in harms way without proper means to defend themselves, and further because when Pueblo signalled for help other forces in the area (7th Fleet, CINCPAC, 5th AF at Fuchu/Kadena/Clark, etc.) engaged in a messy cluster-**** deciding whether and who should send air assets to cover his retreat. Enough shame to go around! M.A.N. -- "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." - Voltaire |
Thank you, Master Chief, for your service. You served our country well.
There are others of us who 'lurk' hereabouts and several of us are also Vets. Hats off to you, Master Chief, and to you I give an Airborne Salute. Airborne All The Way from a former 101st Abn. Trooper, Ft. Campbell, KY. Screaming Eagles get the job done. All others are 'legs'. "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Cool it, Master super-duper Chief (USN). I'm still a citizen of the U.S. of A. and served in MY country's (USA) military BEFORE you did. I know that doesn't count for much in this din of inequity but it's all I got. Of course Lennie's reading the riot act to someone about experience and "seniority", yet is first and loudest to cry foul if Amateurs point out HIS lack of "experience and seniority". By the way, for EXACTNESS, my surname was NEVER "SIGANDERSON." You made a "mistake" but I won't hold anything against you. Well, maybe a bayonet or such... And Lennie, always quick to find SOME "threat" in anything, blatantly threatens Hans with a bayonet. Why am I not surprised? Temper fry... Steve, K4YZ |
Jumper 101 wrote: Thank you, Master Chief, for your service. You served our country well. There are others of us who 'lurk' hereabouts and several of us are also Vets. Hats off to you, Master Chief, and to you I give an Airborne Salute. Airborne All The Way from a former 101st Abn. Trooper, Ft. Campbell, KY. Screaming Eagles get the job done. All others are 'legs'. And thanks to you for your service and sacrifices, Jumper! Steve, GySgt United States Marine Corps 1974 to 1992. |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: The fact of the matter is that except in the most aggrevious warfare, more Americans die on the highways at home than do Servicemen. And heroes all of them, defending the country. """Sorry Hans, a run-over Jay-Walker IS a Veteran!!!""" Hi! The point beig, Brain, that civilians die in the course of both "peacetime" and states of war too. Then they would have been wise to have stepped up to the plate and enlisted. Do a bit of history research on "Maritime Marine", "Civil Air Patrol" and "Office of Civilian Defense" during WW2. CAP "civilians" still lose their lives "in the line of duty", and they weren't even getting paid for it. Then they did something horribly, horribly wrong. |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: The fact of the matter is that except in the most aggrevious warfare, more Americans die on the highways at home than do Servicemen. And heroes all of them, defending the country. """Sorry Hans, a run-over Jay-Walker IS a Veteran!!!""" Hi! The point beig, Brain, that civilians die in the course of both "peacetime" and states of war too. Then they would have been wise to have stepped up to the plate and enlisted. Do a bit of history research on "Maritime Marine", "Civil Air Patrol" and "Office of Civilian Defense" during WW2. CAP "civilians" still lose their lives "in the line of duty", and they weren't even getting paid for it. Then they did something horribly, horribly wrong. Such as...?!?! People die every day doing whatever it is they do 100% safely. Like the local mother of two who was stopped at a traffic light. She was sober, alert, had her seat belt with shoulder belt on. A drunk driver careened through the intersection and struck her sqaure in the door. 3000+ people died three years ago just becasue they went to work that day. Did THEY do something "horribly, horribly wrong"...?!?! There's absolutely no guarantee to life other than you are going to die. What you do with your life until you do is to some degree in your own hands. The rest is the roll of the dice. Steve, K4YZ |
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From: on Sat,Apr 16 2005 8:44 am wrote: From: Dave Heil on Apr 12, 9:31 pm It only shows what a snow-jobbing laid-off murine does under the guise of a U.S. AMATEUR radio extra callsign. Tosses brags like they were bagels. What brags, Len? Look at American foreign policy since the end of the USA's involvement in Vietnam. Plenty of "hostile actions" for active-duty, career military personnel to be a part of in a variety of roles. And that's just the "hostile actions" we civilians know about. How does that tie in with the use of morse code in museum windows? The same way your service at ADA ties in with amateur radio policy. To my knowledge, Steve has never stated that DOD does not direct MARS. His claim is that if there were no radio amateurs, there'd have been no MARS program. In that, he is correct. Bull****. Well, you're certainly the authority on *that* subject, Len! ;-) I know TRUTH as opposed to snow-job braggadoccio. Really? Like what encryption systems the US Navy used in WW2? Psycho Pstevie is an "extra class" snow-jobber. So you're saying he wasn't involved in "seven hostile actions"? And, mister wizard, you REWROTE what Robeson wrote. Not me. You must be thinking of someone else. "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio." That's not what I wrote. In NO way did Pstevie write what YOU say he wrote. What did I say he wrote? In NO way did Pstevie's single sentence say what you IMPLY it did. He is NOT "correct." You're misquoting all over the place, Len. But it doesn't matter. Here, I'll clear it up: MARS and amateur radio aren't the same thing. But many radio amateurs are involved in MARS. That's my position. If Steve says different, argue with *him*. MARS always was and remains a MILITARY radio system. But most of the participants aren't in the military. How do YOU know? I have sources, Len. Haw, that's funny. Len, you pretty much come unglued at the slightest opposition to your cherished statements, or when someone refuses to feed your insult machine. "Insult machine?" Yes, that's right. It's what you're all about here. Jimmie Noserve wants the exclusive use of that "machine?" Do you feel insulted by my posts, Len? It seems so - you seem to find insult in everything. Oh, yes, that ties right in with a Canadian museum having morse code in its window...sure... Those windows really seem to bother you. If you ain't got the guts to tell the details, you AIN'T done it. Simple as that. Then you must think that Brian Burke, N0IMD-allegedly- /T5, "ain't done it", because he won't give any details about his amateur radio operation in Somalia. Then you must be as nuts as Psycho Pstevie. Tsk. Not me, Len. I'm not the one calling people names and telling them to shut up. You are. Pstevie pervertedly pejorated hisself at least a couple orders of magnitude with his alleged "poor repfit" of NADC on my visit there 34 years ago...and is still trying (vainly) to rationalize his LIE as some kind of "truth." What has that to do with your claim that: "If you ain't got the guts to tell the details, you AIN'T done it. Simple as that." That's what you wrote, Len. Does it only apply to Steve and not to Brian. I'm just showing what a damn LIAR he is. What lie? The claim he has made is that he found someone who knew you from when you were allegedly at NADC. And that someone says you didn't do such a great job there. Now maybe it's true and maybe it isn't. But it's basically your word against that of some unknown person. But, Pstevie is your BUDDIE and therefore can do NO wrong. That's not true at all. He is PCTA extra Double Standard class and can therefore say ANYTHING he wants in your complete approval. Not true at all, Len, but you would rather claim so than to face the facts. Orwell did a good job describing the subjective reality mindset in his classic "1984". You remind me of "Big Brother", Len, in the way you want to rewrite history to fit your mindset. Pizz off, sweetie. What's the matter, Len? Are you insulted? I'm simply telling you how you appear in this newsgroup. You claimed: "If you ain't got the guts to tell the details, you AIN'T done it. Simple as that." which is a pretty good definition of subjective reality, where if something isn't described, it doesn't exist. Which is what you're telling us *you* believe. You are going hot and heavy into this personal insult thing and Brian Burke is NOT a part of it. The personal insults are your bag, Len. Brian plays a related but slightly different game. If a person does something, they've done it whether they talk about it or not. Or whether you believe it or not. Simple as that. Tsk. Turn your phrase around. No. The converse of a true statement isn't necessarily true. The contrapositive is. If a person TALKS about something, that isn't "proof" that they've DONE it. :-) Which applies to *you*, Len... Psycho Pstevie still hasn't come up with a SINGLE detail of "proof" on his insult of my "fitrep" at NADC. Nor have you proved him to be mistaken. And if K4YZ really did participate in seven hostile actions, then it happened regardless of whether details are given or not. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IS TRUTH? :-) It's basic logic, Len. If K4YZ really did participate in seven hostile actions, then it happened regardless of whether details are given or not. That's objective reality. |
wrote: From: on Sat,Apr 16 2005 8:44 am wrote: From: Dave Heil on Apr 12, 9:31 pm No, Len, that's not true. FCC is involved - but you're not FCC. James P. Miccolis is NOT FCC. :-) Never claimed to be, Len. Amateur radio manufacturers are involved - but you're not one of them, either. James P. Miccolis is NOT a "manufacturer of radios." Actually I'm an "amateur radio manufacturer" - you're not. You're not involved. OH! "Not involved!!!" That's right. You're not involved in amateur radio - other than some newsgroup rantings and spamming FCC's ECFS. The U.S. Government gives me the RIGHT to vote, on anything up for a vote! Same as me. But Part 97 isn't up for a vote. I am NOT "involved in government" yet I can vote on government officials! [really!] Me too. Who did you vote for in the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004, Len? Or don't you "have the guts" to "give the details"? I am NOT "involved" in any of the proposals to be voted on yet I can VOTE on them! No, you can't, Len. You can comment on them but that's not the same thing as voting. Wow! I'm "not involved" in so many things!!!! That's right, Len. You're not involved in amateur radio beyond your rantings here and to FCC. BULL****, sweetums. That pretty much describes your involvement, Len. The FCC determines who gets a radio license That's what I've said all along, Len. and sets the standards. The standards to get a license, that is. The ARRL does NOT. Len Anderson does NOT, either. Jimmie Noserve does NOT. Len Anderson does NOT, either. Davie Heil does NOT. Len Anderson does NOT, either. The "ham community" does NOT. Len Anderson does NOT, either. He's not even part of the amateur radio community. It's the FCC, sweetie. And nobody else. Not even you. [and that's the absolute truth...pbthththt] Whoever said differently, Len? The "F" in FCC stands for "Federal." That means that ANYONE can make themselves and their opinions known to them (see the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution). Of course. Not the same thing as voting, though. The FCC does NOT limit itself to amateur regulation input SOLELY from amateurs. It isn't an exclusive clubhouse...even though you try to convey that idea. I've never said anything different, Len. Why the lecture? You can comment all you want. That doesn't make you "involved in amateur radio" to any significant extent. Who? Not you, of course. You're not involved. What? Paradoxical. According to that, one can't get INTO amateur radio WITHOUT being "involved," BUT...to BE "involved" one has to ALREADY be IN amateur radio. No, that's not it at all. You're not involved beyond your rantings here and spamming of ECFS. Tsk. If you don't like paradoxes, all you are doing is trying to make it all into a private clubhouse. Not at all. You could be involved, but you choose not to be. That's fine, to each his own. Amateur radio doesn't need you, Len Anderson. Sorry, the Communications Act of 1934 took that away when the FCC was created to regulate ALL civil radio in the USA. ALL, Jimmie. So what? Nobody denies that FCC makes the rules. That fact does not mean *you* are somehow *involved in amateur radio* beyond a newsgroup or two and voluminous nonsense sent to FCC. Len knows more about radio operation. Tsk. I know HOW they work and the protocols needed in some radio services. But not amateur radio. Not Morse Code. Your knowledge is all theory, no practice, when it comes to amateur radio. Sidewalk superintendent stuff. All hat and no cattle, all talk and no action. Okay, so you DON'T think that amateur radio works by the same principles of physics as all other radio services. No, that's not true at all. Electrons, fields, and waves all work in in an "amateur fashion" if you have an AMATEUR radio license! Nope. An AMATEUR radio "won't work" unless it has a valid, certificated amateur radio operator operating it? Wow. Learn something every day. That's simply your way of avoiding the real issue, Len. The fact is, you're not knowledgeable about amateur radio "protocols" nor Morse Code nor are you experienced in amateur radio. Well, no sweat. Someone who doesn't KNOW the "ham way" should be FIRED, right? Give up their ham job? Be prosecuted if they don't behave according to YOUR set of regulations? You're still not involved and not qualified. Sweetie, I've designed and built those "sidewalks," and the "buildings" they are in front of, done the "civil engineering" testing on those "buildings" to make sure they are in-spec. Not on the street called "amateur radio", Len. You did some articles for a now-long-defunct New England-based ham radio magazine 22+ years ago. None of them were about building or operating an amateur radio station. Poor baby. Still sulking about NOT getting published in anything but "Electric Radio?" :-) Not me. I've been published elsewhere. So what? You're not involved. I am. Who did you vote for in the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004, Len? Where there RADIO issues proposed by the candidates then? I watched the debates on TV rather than listening to the radio. Fill me in. HOW is such information REQUIRED to discuss amateur radio regulations and how to get INTO amateur radio by licensing? It's a demonstration of your own concept, Len. You wrote about having the guts to give details. And about voting. Don't you have the guts to tell us who you voted for? I guess not. WHO did you VOTE for in Canada on their last election? I'm not allowed to vote in Canada - I'm not a Canadian citizen. Are you an American citizen, Len? Are you "afraid" to say? :-) Not at all. I didn't vote in the last Canadian election because I'm not a Canadian citizen. In fact, I've never been to Canada. The U.S. military did NOT use morse code in long-distance fixed-point to fixed-point communications a half century ago and still don't. Even if that's true - what does it matter to amateur radio policy? Sorry, Jimmie, under YOUR "rules," if I SAID it, then it must be true! :-) Why not just answer the question, Len? What does it matter to amateur radio policy whether the U.S. military did or did NOT use morse code in long-distance fixed-point to fixed-point communications a half century ago and still don't? Actually, it IS true, but YOU are AFRAID to find out. The fantasy that the rest of the radio world "still uses morse code" is way too strong a mental narcotic for you. You can't go cold turkey. Not at all, Len. The question remains: What does it matter to amateur radio policy whether the U.S. military did or did NOT use morse code in long-distance fixed-point to fixed-point communications a half century ago and still don't? Amateur radio isn't the US military. MARS is military. "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" :-) Amateur radio is NOT Private Land Mobile Radio Service. Amateur radio is NOT Mass Media Radio Service. Amateur radio is NOT Maritime Radio Service. Amateur radio is NOT Aviation Radio Service. Amateur radio is NOT Personal Radio Service. Etc. Then you've just proved my point, Len. Since amateur radio isn't any of those, what those services do isn't what should determine what hams do, nor what the license requirements for an amateur license should be. Tsk. Some of you olde-tyme hammes need to get your noses out of old WW2 surplus radio books and inspect the rest of the radio world. Is that an order? Are you afraid to take orders? Not at all - from duly authorized people. You're not in charge, Len - you're not even involved. Is that why you never volunteered for military service? :-) How do you know I never volunteered? Why should what other radio services do be more important to amateur radio policy than what hams do? Why should amateur radio policy be dictated SOLELY by already-licensed radio amateurs? Nobody says that. Also, you cannot answer a question with another question. You're avoiding the important question: Why should what other radio services do be more important to amateur radio policy than what hams do? Try answering that one. Or are you afraid? That's in direct VIOLATION of both the 1st Amendment and the Communications Act of 1934. Nobody says that only hams should make the rules. I see. Well, Len, you have the thinnest skin of all those here, because you get insulted by *any* opposition.. What "opposition?" :-) Any opposition. There's Jimmie Noserve who likes to make out that he KNOWS ALL about the military...but never served. Gee, Len, you gave us a lecture here about US Navy communications and encryption recently. But *you* never served in the US Navy - and there were several mistakes in your little lecture. There's a psycho-sick whacko inventing "fitreps" about me that never happened... Here's a clue, Len: I'm not him. There's a few more and have been lots more. Not a problem. Lots of you knowitalls and control freaks on the Internet who "get off" on being "superior" on their screens. Tsk. Been that way since computer-modem communications got going over three decades ago. :-) That pretty much sums up what *you* do here, Len. That's what *you* are involved in... Who did you vote for in the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004,Len? Maybe I've forgotten! :-) I don't think so. More likely, you "don't have the guts" to say so in public. But I think I know who you voted for. What Prime Minister candidate did you vote for in Canada, Jimmie? None - I'm not allowed to vote in Canada. Are you, Len? Are you an American citizen? What military did you serve in up in Canada, Jimmie? I've never been to Canada, Len. |
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 03:20:15 GMT, Mel A. Nomah wrote:
Shameful is in the eye of the beholder. Captain Bucher was not punished for surrendering, just as the US didn't punish the Jews who attacked his sister-ship, USS Liberty on a similar mission. Probably because then the Navy would have needed to punish those who sent those ships in harms way without proper means to defend themselves As well as the NSA/USN brass who, when queried by the Israelis, adamantly denied that the Liberty was a U S Naval vessel even after being told that the vessel wiil be blown out of the water if it wasn't a US Naval vessel. The Israelis had every reason to believe that the Egyptians or their mentors, the Soviets, would fly the US flag to avoid destruction if they could get away with it. And the NSA kept denying... -- 73 de K2ASP / 4X4UQ - Phil Kane |
Phil Kane wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 03:20:15 GMT, Mel A. Nomah wrote: Shameful is in the eye of the beholder. Captain Bucher was not punished for surrendering, just as the US didn't punish the Jews who attacked his sister-ship, USS Liberty on a similar mission. Probably because then the Navy would have needed to punish those who sent those ships in harms way without proper means to defend themselves As well as the NSA/USN brass who, when queried by the Israelis, adamantly denied that the Liberty was a U S Naval vessel even after being told that the vessel wiil be blown out of the water if it wasn't a US Naval vessel. The Israelis had every reason to believe that the Egyptians or their mentors, the Soviets, would fly the US flag to avoid destruction if they could get away with it. And the NSA kept denying... -- 73 de K2ASP / 4X4UQ - Phil Kane |
Read the TRUTH about the deliberate Jew attack on the USS Liberty at this website, which is operated by survivors of the attack: www.ussliberty.org |
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