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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... "Actually, what is being discussed is freedom of choice of modes in a hobby in a free society. There is absolutely nothing prohibiting someone who wants to take full advantage of CW's many advantages from becoming skillful in the mode." --- CAM in RRAP Extended to all modes? Get rid of those darn satellite mode questions on the tests! I personally have no use for that! Good point, and I agree. If we are going to have incredibly difficult satellite questions on the Extra written exam, like the following verbatim example..... Q: Which of the following types of communications may space stations transmit? A. Automatic retransmission of signals from Earth stations and other space stations B. One-way communications C. Telemetry consisting of specially coded messages D. All of these choices are correct .....then there ought to be similarly incredibly difficult CW questions on the Extra written exam, like: Q: Which of the following alphanumeric characters corresponds to the Morse sound "di-dah" A. A B. B C. C D. All of these choices are correct After all, fair is fair, and the CW mode ought to have test questions just like all other modes. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll bet you like those schools where the students determine the curriculum! Not at all Mike. You've persuaded me that there ought to be test questions for Morse just like there are test questions for each other mode. We seem to be in complete agreement on the matter. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Dee Flint wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... cl wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... cl wrote: [snip] I disagree. It took a great effort. What is a great effort? Many times it is a matter of perspective. In other words what we expect versus reality may make something seem like a "great effort." It took a big bite out of my life when I should have been paying attention to other things. But I wanted it, so... For some - it may! One argument I've heard, is that those musically inclined pick it up quicker than others, yet I knew some who "were" musically inclined and claimed to have a hell of a time with it. Reason? I don't know. I can't get inside their head. Steve can. He can even have them incarcerated with a simple phone calls. The biggest problem with most is "laziness". Was that your problem? If you hadn't been so lazy you could have learned the code in under a week? Eh - I had the code down in 2 weeks for the Novice exam. AND I'm now an Extra. Been licensed since the early 80s. Yeah, I probably could have learned it in under a week, if I pushed myself. That wasn't my point. My point is that everyone is different, and the length of time it takes to learn 5WPM varies greatly. The time it takes to learn 20WPM could be lifetimes. Not everyone is even capable of 13WPM. Check out the book "The Art and Skill of Radiotelegraphy." Basically anyone without a handicap can master 20wpm with the proper training tools if they are truly motivated to do so. Keep in mind that we all talk faster than that. We even talk faster than that when we spell out words phonetically! When the ARRL advocates telepathy, I'll pay attention. Communication at the speed of thought! Most anyone will tell you - it isn't good to do such. Besides, at that time, I was chasing rug rats - so study time was premium. I've been told that is absolutely no excuse. Nothing in your personal or professional life can be more important than learning the code. No one has ever said that. You're wrong. Larry Roll said that. Many of our regulars either backed him up or were silent. |
Mike Coslo wrote:
bb wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: bb wrote: Dee Flint wrote: Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of course you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the test to have one set up at that pitch for her testing. Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the modifications that the VE may make to an examination Brian, Dee is a VE..... Steve is a VA. - Mike KB3EIA - Hey, are you going to Dayton this year? I have a batch of what promises to be an awesome Red Ale which should be ready to drink about that time...... Which day(s) are you going? I work Saturday. I should be there al three days. Brian, I just sampled a bottle, and it is awesome IMHO. It is a big beer, has an excellent head and is pretty well balanced between malt and hops. Good carbonation. It is a little darker than I expected. The alcohol content is a bit more than I expected, so it isn't a session beer, but more like an after dinner beer. Another month and it might be worth entering in a competition...... Yumm - Mike KB3EIA - |
"bb" wrote in message ups.com... When the ARRL advocates telepathy, I'll pay attention. Communication at the speed of thought! Start practicing now, Brian, 30 minutes a day, and you'll be up to 5 WPM in just a few weeks! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
K=D8HB wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... We each must choose our activities based on our personal priorities. Thank you very much, Captain Obvious. The "Miss Manners" agenda should be plied on Robeson, not wasted on me. But do not whine and cry to change the requirements simply because it's not high enough on your priority list to put some time into it. I wouldn't characterize it as "whine and cry" (unless I wanted to prejudice the audience). Seems more like "this is my opinion on the matter". Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to study the theory either. Is that kinda like when you told your child "if you haven't got room for more green beans, then you don't have room for dessert either" "You can't have your pudding if you don't eat your meat." As you said, a person must get started to learn anything. The first ones are difficult for all of us. Like anything else it takes time to get good. "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way." ---Bokonon in "Cat's Cradle" "Actually, what is being discussed is freedom of choice of modes in a hobby in a free society. There is absolutely nothing prohibiting someone who wants to take full advantage of CW's many advantages from becoming skillful in the mode." --- CAM in RRAP Sunuvagun! 73, de Hans, K0HB Actual discussion on Morse Testing? Boy does that bring back memories! bb |
Mike Coslo wrote: K=D8HB wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... We each must choose our activities based on our personal priorities. Thank you very much, Captain Obvious. But do not whine and cry to change the requirements simply because it's not high enough on your priority list to put some time into it. I wouldn't characterize it as "whine and cry" (unless I wanted to prejudice the audience). Seems more like "this is my opinion on the matter". Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to study the theory either. Is that kinda like when you told your child "if you haven't got room for more green beans, then you don't have room for dessert either" As you said, a person must get started to learn anything. The first ones are difficult for all of us. Like anything else it takes time to get good. "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way." ---Bokonon in "Cat's Cradle" Wow, talk about prejudicing the audience! This assumes that those of us who support Morse testing simply do it because we had to. That is one conclusion. With my problems with it, that would make me the meanest SOB in the valley. The actuarial tables got you a promotion. Perhaps, just perhaps, some of us believe that it is a good idea simply because it is a good idea, a mode that cant be performed by picking up a mic and talking, or typing on a keyboard, and needs to be learned? It the explaining of why it is a good idea where you run into trouble. "Actually, what is being discussed is freedom of choice of modes in a hobby in a free society. There is absolutely nothing prohibiting someone who wants to take full advantage of CW's many advantages from becoming skillful in the mode." --- CAM in RRAP Extended to all modes? Get rid of those darn satellite mode questions on the tests! I personally have no use for that! For a strict appliance operator who is going to buy everything they use and have someone else install it? No one should have to do anything they don't want to do! Ditch all those unneeded questions. The Miccolis argument goes farther. He's advocated dropping all requirements testing. Why don't you go over the deep end, too? Sunuvagun! Huzzanga! - Mike KB3EIA - You can add all the CW quesstions, within reason, that you want. Let CW stand with the other modes in the written test. And drop the code test. |
K=D8HB wrote: You probably get the drift. =20 73, de Hans, K0HB Don't be so sure. |
KØHB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... "Actually, what is being discussed is freedom of choice of modes in a hobby in a free society. There is absolutely nothing prohibiting someone who wants to take full advantage of CW's many advantages from becoming skillful in the mode." --- CAM in RRAP Extended to all modes? Get rid of those darn satellite mode questions on the tests! I personally have no use for that! Good point, and I agree. If we are going to have incredibly difficult satellite questions on the Extra written exam, like the following verbatim example..... Q: Which of the following types of communications may space stations transmit? A. Automatic retransmission of signals from Earth stations and other space stations B. One-way communications C. Telemetry consisting of specially coded messages D. All of these choices are correct .....then there ought to be similarly incredibly difficult CW questions on the Extra written exam, like: Q: Which of the following alphanumeric characters corresponds to the Morse sound "di-dah" A. A B. B C. C D. All of these choices are correct After all, fair is fair, and the CW mode ought to have test questions just like all other modes. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll bet you like those schools where the students determine the curriculum! Not at all Mike. You've persuaded me that there ought to be test questions for Morse just like there are test questions for each other mode. We seem to be in complete agreement on the matter. Ahh, appearing to agree with me to discount my point! I could ace the entire test if asked is dih-dah meant "A". But that isn't the point. You did of course leave out my point that you can argue yourself out of any testing via your argument...... such as.... Extended to all modes? Get rid of those darn satellite mode questions on the tests! I personally have no use for that! For a strict appliance operator who is going to buy everything they use and have someone else install it? No one should have to do anything they don't want to do! Ditch all those unneeded questions. 0 question test. - Mike KB3EIA - |
K=D8HB wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... When the ARRL advocates telepathy, I'll pay attention. Communication at the speed of thought! Start practicing now, Brian, 30 minutes a day, and you'll be up to 5 WPM in just a few weeks! =20 73, de Hans, K0HB I can already read Steve's mind at 20WPM. ;^) |
Alun L. Palmer wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in : cl wrote: which required code. 5 WPM is not impossible to learn. It only takes a few minutes a day and about 2 weeks at least to get enough to pass a test. Took me 45 minutes a day for over 6 months, plus one failed test to get to 5 wpm. I'm all in favor of Morse code testing, but you guys have to show some understanding that it isn't that easy for a lot of people. I aced the writtens, without a whole lot of study by comparison to a lot of people. I don't go around calling them retards or stupid. - Mike KB3EIA - You have a good point Mike. I have seldom had any problems with written exams, but passing a Morse test was hell. Those of us who have had trouble learning Morse have taken a lot of abuse in this group. Dee says otherwise. You hit the nail on the head when you said you wouldn't do the same if someone had trouble with the theory. The only person I've given a hard time about the tests was Bruce/WA8ULX. |
K4YZ wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: bb wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I've heard of some pretty wild times long before things were "dumbed down"! - Mike KB3EIA - Mike, I've been meaning to ask. Are you still sore at me for not giving your grief about the balloon project? HEH! Now you confused me Brian. But seriously, that you *didn't* give me grief was duly noted! I've been stressing over Steve's label of "antagonist" for not giving you grief for some time now. I'm such a terrible person. Hi! Ohh, you know how newsgroups are..... I know how they are, Mike! They're populated by people who don't have the intestinal fortitude to sign their names to their posts and they make up allegations to try and hide behind. Lie #27. You refer to billybeeper as "Brain" and as "Brian." Mike just referred to billybeeper as "Brian." You just need somehting to **** and moan about. |
Phil Kane wrote: On 19 Apr 2005 18:16:07 -0700, bb wrote: Phil Kane wrote: AFRTS IS NOT Amateur Radio Hi! Awesome! Can I borrow that sometime? It's in the public domain. Knock yourself out..... -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Thanks, Phil. I'll juxtapose it with Steve's similar quote to illustrate what a sane and what an insane person thinks. |
"bb" wrote in message oups.com... I can already read Steve's mind at 20WPM. ;^) Because you've memorized the answers. dit dit |
"bb" wrote in message oups.com... cl wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of course you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the test to have one set up at that pitch for her testing. Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the modifications that the VE may make to an examination That's what you ask in here for! There are VEs in here, myself included - who can give guidance to those who ask. cl "Here" is all knowing. Part 97 doesn't define Morse Code, but specifies that it is to be tested at 5WPM. Part 97 is silent on Farnsworth Code. Part 97 doesn't say that the VE's must accomodate variations in testing. Why does a person have to ask RRAP when they should be able to read it in the governing regulations??? Try reading Part 97.509 Section (h). It covers "administering the exam". I think you'll find it DOES cover the fact that VEs must accommodate handicapped applicants. cl |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... Actually people who are not required to learn something at a basic level too often bypass the activity altogether because they perceive it to be harder than it is. Therein lies the loss. I don't buy that line of reasoning at all. I was never "required" to learn to set up a "Lindy Rig", but saw other fishermen doing it and it looked like fun, so decided it must not be too difficult, so I learned how. I was never "required" to learn to swim, but saw other kids doing it and it looked like fun, so decided it must not be too difficult, so I learned how. I was never "required" to learn how to kiss a girl, but saw Clark Gable doing it, and it looked like great fun, so I decided it must not be too difficult, so I learned how. I was never "required" to learn Morse Code, but heard it on the Zenith and was curious about those beeps and boops, so I learned how (a decade before I decided to be a ham). I was never "required" to learn RTTY, but saw other hams doing it, and it looked interesting, so I decided it must not be too difficula, so I learned how. You probably get the drift. 73, de Hans, K0HB But you left out all the things you chose not to do because it "didn't look interesting" or because "it looked too hard." Have you tried everything that you have seen others do? And on what basis did you choose to try some things and not others? Simply because in your, as yet inexperienced eyes in that arena, it looked interesting? Have you never tried something because some one else with experience said you should give it a try? Have you never had the experience of finding something to be fun and interesting upon being required to do or coaxed to do something that you thought you wouldn't like? The real question is not so much the Morse code test per se but what is the set of basics that all hams should be familiar with whether or not they personally use that knowledge? Those things should be required whether or not they are interesting or difficult. By the way I happen to think that all should be required to learn to swim whether or not they think they may use it. I happen to consider it a basic skill in life that all should know. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"cl" wrote in message o.verio.net... "bb" wrote in message oups.com... cl wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of course you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the test to have one set up at that pitch for her testing. Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the modifications that the VE may make to an examination That's what you ask in here for! There are VEs in here, myself included - who can give guidance to those who ask. cl "Here" is all knowing. Part 97 doesn't define Morse Code, but specifies that it is to be tested at 5WPM. Part 97 is silent on Farnsworth Code. Part 97 doesn't say that the VE's must accomodate variations in testing. Why does a person have to ask RRAP when they should be able to read it in the governing regulations??? Try reading Part 97.509 Section (h). It covers "administering the exam". I think you'll find it DOES cover the fact that VEs must accommodate handicapped applicants. cl Ah, it is section (k) now........ (k) The administering VEs must accommodate an examinee whose physical disabilities require a special examination procedure. The administering VEs may require a physician's certification indicating the nature of the disability before determining which, if any, special procedures must be used. cl |
From: "K=D8=88B" on Wed,Apr 20 2005 3:51 pm
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... We each must choose our activities based on our personal priorities. Thank you very much, Captain Obvious. [...or Captain Oblivious...] [may the aphorisms be with Dee, said Obe-wan...] But do not whine and cry to change the requirements simply because it's not high enough on your priority list to put some time into it. I wouldn't characterize it as "whine and cry" (unless I wanted to prejudice the audience). Seems more like "this is my opinion on the matter". Nahhhhh...some REALLY believe in their conditioning, that morse code testing must ALWAYS be required as "necessary" to operate transmitters below 30 MHz! U.S. hams have always had code testing to get a license...and they MUST always have such a test. It's engraved on their synapses or something... Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to study the theory either. Is that kinda like when you told your child "if you haven't got room for more green beans, then you don't have room for dessert either" Sometimes the "mothering" bit gets extreme in here... As you said, a person must get started to learn anything. The first ones are difficult for all of us. Like anything else it takes time to get good. "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way." ---Bokonon in "Cat's Cradle" ...I'm beginning to appreciate that quote... :-) The Righteous Wrath of the Deep Conditioned has become the new fire and brimstone of the morseatangelous. "Actually, what is being discussed is freedom of choice of modes in a hobby in a free society. There is absolutely nothing prohibiting someone who wants to take full advantage of CW's many advantages from becoming skillful in the mode." --- CAM in RRAP Bless Cecil Moore's heart! :-) However, according to some of the Deep Conditioned in here, amateur radio is a SERVICE! "Nowhere in the FCC regulations do they [FCC] say it is a 'hobby'!" and other Righteous Wrath of the True Believers (making like they are the subject of 'Bokonon's' observation). Sunuvagun! Right! :-) "Zere will be NO laughing in zis camp!" - Sessue Hayakawa's line as the POW commandant in the film, "Bridge on the River Quai." |
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... But you left out all the things you chose not to do because it "didn't look interesting" or because "it looked too hard." Of course! Especially that part about "didn't look interesting". Have you tried everything that you have seen others do? Nope. For instance, I never jumped out of a perfectly good airplane, and I've never tried to jump a motorcycle over 13 burning school buses, and I've never entered a pie eating contest, and I've never done a whole lot of other hobby things that didn't appeal to me. Lifes to short to dance with hobbies I don't like. The use of Morse in amataur radio is entirely optional. All licensees, even those not tested, are free to chose to use it (or not). While I'd be perfectly happy to see written test questions about Morse, just as there are written test questions about other modes, there is no longer any legitimite argument for a skill demonstration, other than your "try it, you'll like it" argument. The real question is not so much the Morse code test per se but what is the set of basics that all hams should be familiar with whether or not they personally use that knowledge? Those things should be required whether or not they are interesting or difficult. I agree entirely! Yes, I really do. But "be familiar" and "demonstrate a skill" are not the same thing. I am required (as I should be), for example, to "be familiar" with a wide variety of subject matter to obtain an Extra class license, but only in the case of Morse am I required to "demonstrate a skill". What's wrong with that picture? Why shouldn't we be required to "demonstrate the skill of safely measuring high voltage" or "demonstrate the skill of planning a good ground system" or "demonstrate the skill of tracking down the source of a TVI problem". All of those basic skills seem much more part of the "basic skill set" that all hams should possess, more so than requiring a demonstration of skill in only ONE of a growing list of communications methods and modes. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... ..... my point that you can argue yourself out of any testing via your argument...... No you can't. I fully support a Morse familiarity test. Cross my heart and hope to die! I just don't support a "skill demonstration", unless you want to require a "skill demonstration" of every knowledge area on the test, and deny licenses to everyone who cannot demonstrate all required skills. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
From: "bb" on Wed,Apr 20 2005 5:28 pm
cl wrote: "bb" wrote in message That's what you ask in here for! There are VEs in here, myself included - who can give guidance to those who ask. cl "Here" is all knowing. Oh YESSS do these hams KNOW things... :-) Part 97 doesn't define Morse Code, but specifies that it is to be tested at 5WPM. Part 97 is silent on Farnsworth Code. Part 97 doesn't say that the VE's must accomodate variations in testing. Mama Dee would simply say "It's GOOD for you..." and withold dessert. :-) Why does a person have to ask RRAP when they should be able to read it in the governing regulations??? I'm curious about the same thing. I've gotten all these "interpretations" on it...which are simply RATIONALIZATIONS anywhere else. Part 97 is one of the shortest Parts in Title 47 C.F.R. But, above all, MORSE must SHINE as the A-number-1 thing to DO! Strange. 52 years ago the Army didn't require me to know any morsemanship to operate and maintain high-power HF transmitters (a mere 3 dozen). No license, either. A year ago, nobody required me to possess any license to operate a privately- owned HF SSB transceiver on a boat. NO morse needed to operate legally below 30 MHz then. But, the ARS (Archaic RadioTELEGRAPHY Society) stoutly maintains that *ALL* MUST test for morse in order to have the "qualifications" to operate below 30 MHz! FEDERAL Test! It's the LAW!!! It's always been done that way...CANNOT be changed. [been told that] |
"KØHB" wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... We each must choose our activities based on our personal priorities. Thank you very much, Captain Obvious. But do not whine and cry to change the requirements simply because it's not high enough on your priority list to put some time into it. I wouldn't characterize it as "whine and cry" (unless I wanted to prejudice the audience). Seems more like "this is my opinion on the matter". It doesn't seem that way to me, Hans. I think "whine and cry" is a fairly accurate description. I have no sympathy for one who can't climb the 5 wpm morse mountain in order enter the world of HF amateur radio. None. Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to study the theory either. Is that kinda like when you told your child "if you haven't got room for more green beans, then you don't have room for dessert either" Was there anything incorrect or inaccurate in Dee's statement? Dave K8MN |
K=D8HB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I've heard some weird tales about how the Signal Corps used Draconian methods to quickly pound Morse into the heads of their WW2 radio ops.Stories about eight-hours-per-day seven days per weeks drills for 2-4 weeks or some such, nasty punishments for those who "didn't get it", etc. Have you ever heard any of these tales? I think the operative word is "tale" (civilian "legend"). I don't go back that far, I realize that but you were "in the business" not too long after WW2 so I thought maybe you'd heard some "insider's war stories" from that era. but seems to me a draftee kid who drew Signal Corps billet would recognize a cushy job when he saw it and such "motiviation" wouldn't be needed. Maybe for those who knew what was up then. But a helluva lot of conscipts are historically cluless no matter what era and want out at any cost and WW2 days were desperate times. .. . who knows . . ? =20 73, de Hans, K0HB w3rv |
Dee Flint wrote:
If you don't have room for good food then you don't have room for junk. Dessert is junk???? Not when K0CKB puts it on the dining table! Maybe you need some of her recipes, if your desserts are "junk"! dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... By the way I happen to think that all should be required to learn to swim whether or not they think they may use it. I happen to consider it a basic skill in life that all should know. That's interesting. I tend to be more libertarian (small "l"), leaving such decisions up to the individual rather than a societal (government?) "all should be required" mandate. While it's easy to make the argument that swimming is a useful skill beyond it's recreational value (just as you might make a slightly weaker argument that Morse is a useful beyond it's recreational value), society really has no vested interest strong enough to dictate "all should be required" to develop the skill of swimming. If they did, then the next layer of busy-bodies would busy themselves deciding which swimming strokes ought to be required, which section of the beach we'd be allowed to use (depending on our tested swimming speed), and requiring that all non-swimmers live only in arid locations like Arizona and New Mexico. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
KØHB wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... ..... my point that you can argue yourself out of any testing via your argument...... No you can't. Yes you can. I fully support a Morse familiarity test. Cross my heart and hope to die! I just don't support a "skill demonstration", unless you want to require a "skill demonstration" of every knowledge area on the test, and deny licenses to everyone who cannot demonstrate all required skills. No other part of the testing is a skill. You can buy a Yeacomwood rig, have other people set up your antenna and setup. You can talk into a microphone, (assuming that people know to mash the PTT or adaptive device that performs the same function) and it will "work". I can buy or download and install the software that I use for PSK31. It's a major stretch to consider that a skill. More like knowledge. But CW is a different matter. You aren't going to read a book and sit down at the key and start sending or receiving Morse. *Thst's* a skill. Even with computer generated Morse and Receiving programs such as CWGet (all which do s so-so job of the mode) it is a valuable skill which can work with minimal equipment. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... Refined sugar is indeed junk. No matter how good it tastes. How did "refined sugar" enter the conversation? Clearly you need to broaden your culinary horizons! Good luck on this one now! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
... No other part of the testing is a skill. My point EXACTLY, Mike. While there are many skills associated with our hobby, only one of those skills is singled out for a required demonstration. Interestingly, if that skill is so vital as to need a skill demonstration, it would seem that no-one who had not been tested would be allowed to use it on the air. Yet a basic Technician licensee is perfectly free to use Morse on the air without having passed a Morse test. So much for the need for a demonstration before a license grant! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes
per day, you don't have time to study the theory either. Was there anything incorrect or inaccurate in Dee's statement? Dave K8MN No, and of course neither did I say there was. It's a perfectly accurate statement, just like the following similar statements: Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to take a shower either. Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to bathe the dog either. Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to mow the lawn either. Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to snuggle with your spouse either. Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to eat dessert either. Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to play baseball with the neighborhood kids either. Just think of all the things you'd have time to do, if you'd just have learned Morse code and gotten it out of the way! It's a wonder everyone doesn't know Morse code, so they'd have time to to the things they really WANTED to do! 73, de Hans, K0HB .. |
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:55:51 -0400, Michael Coslo wrote:
If you don't have room for good food then you don't have room for junk. Dessert is junk???? Not when K0CKB puts it on the dining table! Maybe you need some of her recipes, if your desserts are "junk"! Refined sugar is indeed junk. No matter how good it tastes. One of my wife's avocations is specialty dessert and cake catering (she's taught that for years and at times has even made money doing it commercially). Her specialty is diabetic-safe products (I'm a diabetic) - low fat and no refined (or unrefined) sugar. She duplicates about 95% of what one can find on a fancy "sweet table" (marshmellow requires the crystalline structure of "real" sugar) and I most certainly do not suffer from a lack of "goodies" all year round. Dessert is one of the basic food groups..... ggg -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
Dessert is one of the basic food groups..... ggg -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane If Mike and Dee say it's junk, then don't you be goin' messin' up their conservative minds with any such heresy. Besides, if you haven't time to learn Morse, then you ain't got no time to be eating no sweetened food. Clean up those green beans too, before you go study your code. 73, de Hans, K0HB (My kids think I'm a real "mother"!) |
K=D8HB wrote: Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to study the theory either. Was there anything incorrect or inaccurate in Dee's statement? Dave K8MN No, and of course neither did I say there was. It's a perfectly accurate statement, just like the following similar statements: Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to take a shower either. Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to bathe the dog either. Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to mow the lawn either. Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to snuggle with your spouse either. Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to eat dessert either. Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to play baseball with the neighborhood kids either. Just think of all the things you'd have time to do, if you'd just have learned Morse code and gotten it out of the way! It's a wonder everyone doesn't know Morse code, so they'd have time to to the things they really WANTED to do! I suppose, Hans, it's ludicrous to point out that we were talking about one set of requirements for an Amateur Radio license as opposed to another set of requirements for the same license...??? Steve, K4YZ |
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ups.com... I suppose, Hans, it's ludicrous to point out that we were talking about one set of requirements for an Amateur Radio license as opposed to another set of requirements for the same license...??? If you say it's ludicrous, then I certainly won't argue with you, so ...... "I agree, Steve. It's ludicrous to point that out. Thanks for bringing it up." 73, de Hans, K0HB |
K=D8HB wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... I suppose, Hans, it's ludicrous to point out that we were talking about one set of requirements for an Amateur Radio license as opposed to another set of requirements for the same license...??? If you say it's ludicrous, then I certainly won't argue with you, so ..=2E.... Gee...they're right! You do get wiser with age! "I agree, Steve. It's ludicrous to point that out. Thanks for bringing it up." No problem. I realize that, at your age, maintaining focus may be problematic from time to time. Always glad to help the aged and the challenged to live a more fuller and productive lifestyle, Hans. 73 es my best to K0CKB. Steve, K4YZ |
my best to K0CKB. Steve, K4YZ I'm sure your "best" would not be up to her standards. With warmest personal regards, Hans, K0HB |
a cushy job when he saw it and such "motiviation" wouldn't be needed. Maybe for those who knew what was up then. But a helluva lot of conscipts are historically cluless no matter what era and want out at any cost and WW2 days were desperate times. I had thought that WW2 was a popular war, in that most everyone saw the need to do that war. Not like Vietnam, which seemed to be a pointless quagmire, to be avoided at all costs. |
"robert casey" wrote in message link.net... I had thought that WW2 was a popular war, in that most everyone saw the need to do that war. Every war is "popular" to a certain extent among those who aren't required to attend. It becomes markedly less popular among those whose attendance is involuntary. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
K=D8HB wrote: my best to K0CKB. Steve, K4YZ I'm sure your "best" would not be up to her standards. Then you'd be wrong, Sir! With warmest personal regards, Hans, K0HB Uh oh...no "73"...And it was looking so promising for a few moments there... 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Uh oh...no "73"...And it was looking so promising for a few moments there... Steve, K4YZ Nope, no "73". That went away when you saw fit to personalize the conversation with disparaging ad hominem remarks unrelated to the topic, and to bring uninvolved family members into the conversation. Hans, K0HB |
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