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ARRL Idiots wrote: "Phil Kane" wrote in message ganews.com... On Thu, 12 May 2005 08:44:02 -0400, Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: One example. In the mid 80s, ARRL members in Hawaii requested the ARRL to bulk air mail QST to Hawaii to avoid the three month delays in receiving QST. Virtually all magazine publishers bulk air mail their publications to Hawaii, but not the ARRL. Their attitude was To Hell With their Hawaii members. Hawaii ARRL members responded by canceling their ARRL membership. Cost to the ARRL would have been pennies, instead the ARRL permanently lost members, and those former members continue to curse the ARRL in Hawaii to this day. And your source for this information is? Isn't it great that half-truths gets posted every day. I (as well as others) were on the ARRL's Pacific Division committee that looked into this. The problem was that CERTAIN Pacific Section (Hawaii) members wanted their issues sent either by first-class from the ststeside printing plant or alternatively bulk-mail from the same source. In either case, they did not want to pay the additional costs. "Pennies" it wasn't. By that time most magazines were being printed on the Island but the very small circulation of QST there didn't make that economical either. Bulk mail would have required additonal sorting in Honolulu which was an additional charge over and above the shipment. The best recommendation was the bulk shipment with the members paying the "offshore" rate to cover the additonal cost. This didn't sit too well, and lots of "Hawaii IS in the United States" shouts were heard. In the end, the members affected were given the choice of status quo (surface mail at "basic" rate) or first-class airmail delivery paying the extra charge. Some picked one, others picked the other. Still others used that as an excuse to not pay ARRL dues but still benefit from the regulatory work that the League did and still does on behalf of all radio amateurs, members or not. Case closed. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane BULL####! The ARRL did not want to even discuss the matter. The ARRL's "solution" was to tell individual members to pay for air mail delivery. Methinks you a liar, Anonymous Coward. CASE CLOSE (now) Guess not, since you're here discussing it. And if you mean "in this forum", you don't have the power to "close" anything except your mind. and nobody benefited from any "regulatory" work more BULL####! And you demonstrate your I G N O R A N C E. Results speak loudest. The league is an organization which is rapidly fading into history, due to the very attitude you display here. Let me spell it out for you: A R R O G A N C E CASE CLOSED The A R R O G A N C E here is that you think you have the power to "close" anything other than your mind. And the ARRL is "rapidly fading" anywhere.... Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: "bb" on Sun,May 8 2005 11:15 am Reality is different. But, reality doesn't exist in here. Sure it does. we just can't get you and Brainless to come around to it. But we keep trying... Steve, K4YZ Come around to accepting your falsehoods? Not likely. |
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: From: "bb" on Wed,May 4 2005 4:13 pm wrote: From: "K0HB" on Tues,May 3 2005 5:59 pm "bb" wrote Yup, everyone just got through saying that there's a problem attracting Technicians to the organization. No one seems to be able to put their finger on exactly why, only because they reject the -correct- answer (reminds me of the OJ case). And they still wring their hands and bite their knuckles and ask, "Why?" It's awful. Those olde-tymers just CAN'T understand why all the newcomers DON'T worship the olde-tymers' ideals of long ago. Hell, I'm OLDER than most of them and I STARTED on HF...but NOT doing a bit of "CW." :-) Then again, you still aren't a ham. :-) Dave K8MN And he still hasn't worked any out-of-band Frenchmen. You're way ahead on that one. bb |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: "bb" on Sun,May 8 2005 11:15 am Reality is different. But, reality doesn't exist in here. Sure it does. we just can't get you and Brainless to come around to it. But we keep trying... Steve, K4YZ Come around to accepting your falsehoods? Not likely. What "faslehoods"...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
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"Phil Kane" wrote in message ganews.com... On Thu, 12 May 2005 08:44:02 -0400, Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: One example. In the mid 80s, ARRL members in Hawaii requested the ARRL to bulk air mail QST to Hawaii to avoid the three month delays in receiving QST. Virtually all magazine publishers bulk air mail their publications to Hawaii, but not the ARRL. Their attitude was To Hell With their Hawaii members. Hawaii ARRL members responded by canceling their ARRL membership. Cost to the ARRL would have been pennies, instead the ARRL permanently lost members, and those former members continue to curse the ARRL in Hawaii to this day. And your source for this information is? Isn't it great that half-truths gets posted every day. I (as well as others) were on the ARRL's Pacific Division committee that looked into this. The problem was that CERTAIN Pacific Section (Hawaii) members wanted their issues sent either by first-class mail from the ststeside printing plant or alternatively bulk-mail from the same source. In either case, they did not want to pay the additional costs. "Pennies" it wasn't. By that time most magazines were being printed on the Island but the very small circulation of QST there didn't make that economical either. Bulk mail would have required additonal sorting in Honolulu which was an additional charge over and above the shipment. The best recommendation was the bulk shipment with the members paying the "offshore" rate to cover the additonal cost. This didn't sit too well, and lots of "Hawaii IS in the United States" shouts were heard. In the end, the members affected were given the choice of status quo (surface mail at "basic" rate) or first-class airmail delivery paying the extra charge. Some picked one, others picked the other. Still others used that as an excuse to not pay ARRL dues but still benefit from the regulatory work that the League did and still does on behalf of all radio amateurs, members or not. Case closed. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane BULL****! The ARRL did not want to even discuss the matter. The ARRL's "solution" was to tell individual members to pay for air mail delivery. CASE CLOSE (now) and nobody benefited from any "regulatory" work more BULL****! Results speak loudest. The league is an organization which is rapidly fading into history, due to the very attitude you display here. Let me spell it out for you: A R R O G A N C E CASE CLOSED I think you are a good canadiate for an opti-rectomy procedure. |
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From: "K4YZ" on May 11, 10:15 am wrote [in response to W3RV]: Note the statements on the www.hamdata.com webpage in regards to statistics: TECHNICIAN class license totals have been increasing at a rate of 26 per day! [that's about four times faster than the combined General and Extra class increases of 6 per day] Does that 26 per day include Technician Pluses renewed as Technicians? Does it include the Novices who pass Element 2 and get a "Tech-with-HF"? On the license class totals, it is interesting to compare (via Hamdata) those of 11 May 05 versus those of two years prior: 2005 2003 Both Tech Classes - 350,566 348,749 All four others - 373,171 378,994 Total, all classes - 723,737 727,743 Percentage of Techs - 48.44 47.92 Comparison of Growth, 2005 v. 2003 Gain or Loss, Techs - +1,817 Gain or Loss, other four - -5,823 Gain or Loss, all licensees -4,006 Very interesting! But note that the hamdata.com numbers include licenses that are expired but in the grace period. They also include club and other non-operator licenses. The numbers I post here twice a month include only current, unexpired licenses held by individuals. I think the totals I post are a more accurate snapshot of the license situation than the numbers on hamdata.com, because the inclusion of expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses skews the totals considerably. It should be noted that the peak of U.S. amateur radio license numbers was on 2 Jul 03 with a total of 737,938 then (number of club calls not known). The Hamdata statistics are derived automatically by downloading the publicly-available FCC database (massive in size) and sorting for classes. How massive? Let's look at some other numbers: These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur licenses held by individuals on the stated dates: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.31%) Technician - 205,394 (30.44%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.09%) General - 112,677 (16.70%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.79%) Extra - 78,750 (11.67%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.53%) Total General/Advanced/Extra - 291,209 (43.16%) Total Novice/General/Advanced/Extra - 340,538 (50.47%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of April 30, 2005: Novice - 28,604 (decrease of 20,725) (4.29%) Technician - 268,116 (increase of 62,722) (40.23%) Technician Plus - 49,987 (decrease of 78,873) (7.50%) General - 136,783 (increase of 24,106) (20.52%) Advanced - 76,410 (decrease of 23,372) (11.46%) Extra - 106,577 (increase of 27,827) (15.99%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 318,103 (decrease of 16,151) (47.73%) Total General/Advanced/Extra - 319,770 (increase of 28,651) (47.98%) Total Novice/General/Advanced/Extra - 348,374 (increase of 7,836) (52.27%) Total all classes - 666,477 (decrease of 8,315) The increase in both Technician classes is not "dramatic" but it IS an increase and has NOT stopped as some amateur extras claimed "would happen" after the 12-year elapse from the 1991 creation of the (no-code-test) Technician class. Who claimed that would happen? I sure didn't. At 48.44 percent of ALL current licensees, that IS a very large percentage and is constantly approaching a MAJORITY (it hasn't stopped increasing in 14 years). Not really. The number of current Tech/Tech Plus licenses held by individuals is now over 16,000 *less* than it was just 5 years ago. It is trending *away* from a majority - if you look at the number of current, unexpired licenses. The percentage of US hams with a current, unexpired Tech or Tech Plus license has dropped by 1.8% in the past 5 years. The percentage of US hams with a current, unexpired General, Advanced or Extra license has grown by 4.82% in the same time period. Of course some of that growth is Novices and Tech Pluses upgrading to General or Extra. And some of it is new hams who don't let the current license requirements stop them. It should be obvious (but is not to some closed mindsets) that the "other four" classes (Novice, General, Advanced, Extra) have had their totals DROP in numbers. Yet in the 5 years since restructuring, the opposite is true - the number of Techs/Tech Pluses has dropped and the number of the "other four" has increased. The "other four" all require morse code testing. So does a Tech Plus, but you count them as Techs. You also count licenses that are expired but in the grace period as if they were current licenses. The no-longer-issued-new Novice and Advanced classes dropped by 11,649 but the General and Extra classes gained only 5,826. The net change in the "other four" is -5,823. The two-year growth in both Technician classes is NOT enough to stem the 4,006 loss in licenses overall in two years. And the significance of this is? The (no-code-test) Technician class licensee is FORBIDDEN to operate below 30 MHz. Only if they have not passed Element 1. A Technician Plus licensee is permitted below 30 MHz only if they have taken a morse code test. Of course Technician Pluses who renew as Technicians keep their HF privileges, and Technicians who pass Element 1 get them, even though their licenses don't change class. So an unknown number of "Technicians" can legally operate on some HF amateur bands. Also, any amateur with a Technician Plus or Novice license, current, grace period, or expired, can get a General or Extra without any further code testing. What's your point in all this, Len? You give a lot of numbers but never seem to say why they matter. And why does all this concern you so much? You're not a radio amateur, and it appears that you'll never become one either - your "out of the box" claim of almost 5-1/2 years ago notwithstanding. |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: "bb" on Sun,May 8 2005 11:15 am Reality is different. But, reality doesn't exist in here. Sure it does. we just can't get you and Brainless to come around to it. But we keep trying... Steve, K4YZ Come around to accepting your falsehoods? Not likely. What "faslehoods"...?!?! Steve, K4YZ The things we see when you hit the "post message" button. |
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: From: "bb" on Wed,May 4 2005 4:13 pm wrote: From: "K0HB" on Tues,May 3 2005 5:59 pm "bb" wrote Yup, everyone just got through saying that there's a problem attracting Technicians to the organization. No one seems to be able to put their finger on exactly why, only because they reject the -correct- answer (reminds me of the OJ case). And they still wring their hands and bite their knuckles and ask, "Why?" It's awful. Those olde-tymers just CAN'T understand why all the newcomers DON'T worship the olde-tymers' ideals of long ago. Hell, I'm OLDER than most of them and I STARTED on HF...but NOT doing a bit of "CW." :-) Then again, you still aren't a ham. :-) And he still hasn't worked any out-of-band Frenchmen. You're way ahead on that one. I certainly am. Len can't work any French amateurs in or out of any amateur radio band. If he should ever obtain an amateur radio license, he only need worry about keeping his station where it should be. He is under no obligation to police the operating of foreign amateurs. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: From: "bb" on Wed,May 4 2005 4:13 pm wrote: From: "K0HB" on Tues,May 3 2005 5:59 pm "bb" wrote Yup, everyone just got through saying that there's a problem attracting Technicians to the organization. No one seems to be able to put their finger on exactly why, only because they reject the -correct- answer (reminds me of the OJ case). And they still wring their hands and bite their knuckles and ask, "Why?" It's awful. Those olde-tymers just CAN'T understand why all the newcomers DON'T worship the olde-tymers' ideals of long ago. Hell, I'm OLDER than most of them and I STARTED on HF...but NOT doing a bit of "CW." :-) Then again, you still aren't a ham. :-) And he still hasn't worked any out-of-band Frenchmen. You're way ahead on that one. I certainly am. Yes, you certainly are. |
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wrote: But note that the hamdata.com numbers include licenses that are expired but in the grace period. They also include club and other non-operator licenses. The numbers I post here twice a month include only current, unexpired licenses held by individuals. So sayeth the Keeper of the Amateur Census. :-) I think the totals I post are a more accurate snapshot of the license situation than the numbers on hamdata.com, because the inclusion of expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses skews the totals considerably. I don't think so. Many others don't think so. Now PROVE you are the ONLY ACCURATE voice of what goes on in this "amateur community." The FCC doesn't appear to think as you do, Jimmie. If a licensee is in their grace period and then renews their license before that period is up, it just resets the FCC data. The licensed amateur still retains his/her license after renewal. It should be noted that the peak of U.S. amateur radio license numbers was on 2 Jul 03 with a total of 737,938 then (number of club calls not known). The Hamdata statistics are derived automatically by downloading the publicly-available FCC database (massive in size) and sorting for classes. How massive? You have to ask?!? :-) MANY megabytes, Jimmie. The information is THERE, publicly accessible. As Kellie exhorts, "get off your duff and go find it!" :-) Hint: The actual numbers change on database size. Who claimed that would happen? I sure didn't. Tsk, tsk. My posting was NOT directed to you. :-) You are NOT on trial. Tell your legal counsel to quit billing you for legal representation. This is NOT a court. :-) Of course Technician Pluses who renew as Technicians keep their HF privileges, and Technicians who pass Element 1 get them, even though their licenses don't change class. So an unknown number of "Technicians" can legally operate on some HF amateur bands. Also, any amateur with a Technician Plus or Novice license, current, grace period, or expired, can get a General or Extra without any further code testing. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Jimmie Noserve is still trying to foist off his OWN concept of "the real amateur community" where the Technician classes are "not real hams" (REAL hams work DX on HF with CW?). Jimmie boy, give us your EXACT numbers on those Tech class licensees who ONLY "work" above 30 MHz. Then PROVE that they all hunger for or desire to "work CW" on the HF bands...as all "real hams" should. :-) What's your point in all this, Len? You give a lot of numbers but never seem to say why they matter. "Sweetums," I don't INTERPRET raw data. I just quote it from the public database downloaded by one website from the FCC. I HAVE said "why it matters." You don't want to listen. You don't want to believe anything contrary to your immaculate concept of "real ham radio." Why does that bother you so much, Jimmie? Do you suspect I gored your sacred cow or something? Has your "honor" been sullied? Are you "appealing a court ruling" in here? Must be. You take things SO seriously! And why does all this concern you so much? I dunno, Jimmie, YOU are going to TELL me WHY "I am so concerned" because you KNOW everything. :-) Maybe I might want to get a ham license someday? Or maybe I just like to get to the TRUTH of matters without all the smoke and mirrors of some fanatics who take their HOBBY as a Life Calling? You're not a radio amateur, and it appears that you'll never become one either - Tsk, tsk. Jimmie boy, YOU don't CONTROL anything or anybody. I'm a PROFESSIONAL in radio-electronics. Have been for 53 years. I'm a HOBBYIST in radio-electronics too, have been for about 57 years. [ sunnuvagun! ] your "out of the box" claim of almost 5-1/2 years ago notwithstanding. Poor baby. Poor Brother Jimmie, monk at the Church of Saint Hiram, having doubts about his LIFE CALLING in the AMATEUR ORDER. Tsk, tsk, tsk. A HOBBY is NOT a Life Calling, Jimmie. It doesn't require LIFELONG DEVOTION and Absolute Adherence to the VOWS taken when one entered the Order. I never made a SACRED VOW in HERE on anything, "Sweetums." You are trying to MANUFACTURE that condition. Nice misdirection on what HAD been a discussion of public database numbers versus Bro. Jimmie's concept of U.S. ham radio (as seen from the insides of his mind's monastery). I've taken ONE VOW absolute. In my marriage ceremony. I wear only ONE ring, a wedding ring. I've taken ANOTHER VOW absolute...that of defending the U.S. Constitution when I was inducted into the U.S. Army. I still hold to BOTH those vows. NO problem to me. Those are absolute. You apparently think some newsgroup content is EQUIVALENT to such an absolute VOW to be held forever. If so, you are as nuts as your buddy and amateur extra role-model for all hams, Stebie the Avenging Angle of Dearth. Go step out of your monastery, Bro. Jimmie. Peace be unto you. |
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From: on Thurs,May 12 2005 3:26 pm wrote: N2EY wrote: But note that the hamdata.com numbers include licenses that are expired but in the grace period. They also include club and other non-operator licenses. The numbers I post here twice a month include only current, unexpired licenses held by individuals. I think the totals I post are a more accurate snapshot of the license situation than the numbers on hamdata.com, because the inclusion of expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses skews the totals considerably. I don't think so. That's fine. Many others don't think so. How many? Who are they? Now PROVE you are the ONLY ACCURATE voice of what goes on in this "amateur community." Why, Len? I don't claim to be the only accurate voice. Just more accurate than you. The FCC doesn't appear to think as you do, Jimmie. Sure they do. If a licensee is in their grace period and then renews their license before that period is up, it just resets the FCC data. The licensed amateur still retains his/her license after renewal. That's right. Also irrelevant. I've pointed out that the numbers I post are of currently-licensed individuals. You fail to mention that the numbers on hamdata.com include clubs and other non-individual licenses (over 9,000 of them) and expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses. It should be noted that the peak of U.S. amateur radio license numbers was on 2 Jul 03 with a total of 737,938 then (number of club calls not known). The Hamdata statistics are derived automatically by downloading the publicly-available FCC database (massive in size) and sorting for classes. How massive? You have to ask?!? :-) I don't have to. I just did. Don't you know? MANY megabytes, Jimmie. How many? Who claimed that would happen? I sure didn't. Tsk, tsk. My posting was NOT directed to you. :-) Just answer the question, please. Of course Technician Pluses who renew as Technicians keep their HF privileges, and Technicians who pass Element 1 get them, even though their licenses don't change class. So an unknown number of "Technicians" can legally operate on some HF amateur bands. Also, any amateur with a Technician Plus or Novice license, current, grace period, or expired, can get a General or Extra without any further code testing. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Jimmie Noserve is still trying to foist off his OWN concept of "the real amateur community" where the Technician classes are "not real hams" (REAL hams work DX on HF with CW?). That's simply not true, Len. You're just making up bull****. Typical jackass behavior for you. ;-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-) I've repeatedly said that "radio amateur" means anyone licensed in the Amateur Radio Service. License class, band and mode don't matter. VHF/UHF is as much "real amateur radio" as HF. What's your point in all this, Len? You give a lot of numbers but never seem to say why they matter. "Sweetums," I'm not your sweetums, Len. I don't INTERPRET raw data. That's true. You MISINTERPRET raw data... I just quote it from the public database downloaded by one website from the FCC. So you accept hamdata.com without question... I HAVE said "why it matters." Where? You don't want to listen. Sure I do. But I don't wade through the mountains of posts you make here. Tell us again "why it matters", Len. You've got plenty of time and no shortage of verbiage to spout. You don't want to believe anything contrary to your immaculate concept of "real ham radio." Just tell us why it matters. Why does that bother you so much, Jimmie? Do you suspect I gored your sacred cow or something? Has your "honor" been sullied? Are you "appealing a court ruling" in here? Must be. You take things SO seriously! I don't take you seriously at all, Len. But I do point out the holes in your arguments, and your factual/logical mistakes, which seems to enrage you no end.. And why does all this concern you so much? I dunno, Jimmie, YOU are going to TELL me WHY "I am so concerned" because you KNOW everything. :-) Maybe I might want to get a ham license someday? Nope. We can rule that right out. Or maybe I just like to get to the TRUTH of matters without all the smoke and mirrors of some fanatics who take their HOBBY as a Life Calling? Nope. Truth is one thing you avoid.... You're not a radio amateur, and it appears that you'll never become one either - Tsk, tsk. Jimmie boy, YOU don't CONTROL anything or anybody. Sure I do. I don't control everything or everybody, though. I'm a PROFESSIONAL in radio-electronics. Have been for 53 years. I'm a HOBBYIST in radio-electronics too, have been for about 57 years. So what? You're not a radio amateur, never been one, and it appears that you'll never become one either. That's the TRUTH. your "out of the box" claim of almost 5-1/2 years ago notwithstanding. Poor baby. Poor Brother Jimmie, monk at the Church of Saint Hiram, having doubts about his LIFE CALLING in the AMATEUR ORDER. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Why no, Len, it's not about me at all. A HOBBY is NOT a Life Calling, Jimmie. It doesn't require LIFELONG DEVOTION and Absolute Adherence to the VOWS taken when one entered the Order. I never made a SACRED VOW in HERE on anything, "Sweetums." No, you didn't. I never claimed you did. You are trying to MANUFACTURE that condition. Nope - I'm simply pointing out what you claimed you would do, but haven't done yet. Nice misdirection on what HAD been a discussion of public database numbers versus Bro. Jimmie's concept of U.S. ham radio (as seen from the insides of his mind's monastery). I've taken ONE VOW absolute. In my marriage ceremony. I wear only ONE ring, a wedding ring. I've taken ANOTHER VOW absolute...that of defending the U.S. Constitution when I was inducted into the U.S. Army. I still hold to BOTH those vows. NO problem to me. Those are absolute. So what? Seems to me you're telling us that we should only believe you on those two things where you made a "vow absolute". And you're saying that the rest of what you say isn't reliable at all. You apparently think some newsgroup content is EQUIVALENT to such an absolute VOW to be held forever. Nope. I'm simply pointing out what you claimed you would do, but haven't done yet. And will probably never do. That TRUTH appears to bother you a lot. |
From: on Sun,May 15 2005 5:43 am
wrote: From: on Thurs,May 12 2005 3:26 pm wrote: Why, Len? I don't claim to be the only accurate voice. Just more accurate than you. Heh heh heh...only by YOUR "authority!" :-) The FCC doesn't appear to think as you do, Jimmie. Sure they do. Tsk, tsk, Jimmie...in the REAL reality of now they do NOT think as you do. The ONLY one who "thinks like you do" is YOU. :-) I've pointed out that the numbers I post are of currently-licensed individuals. You fail to mention that the numbers on hamdata.com include clubs and other non-individual licenses (over 9,000 of them) and expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses. Tsk, tsk. Early symptoms of Alzheimer's? I've written "exclusive of club calls" on quoting the Hamdata statistics. Jimmie, get your definitions correct. Those amateur licensees who are IN the 2-year grace period for renewal are NOT "expired." The FCC doesn't call them that. If those renewals are done within that grace period, they retain their old call. "Expired" applies AFTER the total 10-year plus 2-year grace period. Just answer the question, please. No. :-) That's simply not true, Len. You're just making up bull****. Typical jackass behavior for you. Tsk, tsk, very Very VERY WRONG, Jimmie Noserve. Try to use CIVIL language in here...or are you studying under your buddie, Stebie da Avenging Angle of Dearth, aka today's Amateur Extra role-model? I've repeatedly said that "radio amateur" means anyone licensed in the Amateur Radio Service. License class, band and mode don't matter. VHF/UHF is as much "real amateur radio" as HF. No, you have NOT. I'm not your sweetums, Len. Heaven forbid, NO! :-) I was using familiar terms to I-had-dinner-with-the- Captain Kellie...ya know da Philly "tuff tawk?" :-) Or is your last hoagie disagreeing with you? I don't INTERPRET raw data. That's true. You MISINTERPRET raw data... Poor baby...I do NOT INTERPRET as Jimmie Noserve "interprets." That's why you are so disturbed and angry, compelled to try to "put me right." :-) I just quote it from the public database downloaded by one website from the FCC. So you accept hamdata.com without question... NO. You are WRONG! I question almost everything. I accept Hamdata figures for the simple reason that they do NOT go into ARRL- style sinning-by-omission on radio history and their minority viewpoint on How Amateur Radio SHOULD Be. Does the ARRL download the daily FCC database on U.S. amateur radio licensees? No? Tsk, tsk. You don't want to listen. Sure I do. But I don't wade through the mountains of posts you make here. No, Jimmie, you do NOT want to listen to anything but the fantasy you've come to believe about a hobby. Jimmie, do NOT engage in word "food fights." Your aim is WAY off and you cause too much collateral damage. I don't take you seriously at all, Len. No sweat, Jimmie Noserve. I've never taken you as anything but a Believer, a toady to ARRL group-think, and a liver in the past before your time. But I do point out the holes in your arguments, and your factual/logical mistakes, which seems to enrage you no end.. No, No, NO, Jimmie, you got it WRONG again. All you do is engage in some odd word play to try and "justify" your rationalizations of your fantasy ideas about a hobby. That is NOT "correcting mistakes." Maybe I might want to get a ham license someday? Nope. We can rule that right out. Who are YOU to judge? You are NOT in the FCC. You are NOT an official in the ARRL. All you are is acting like a snide little hamlet who can't accept that you do NOT "rule" anything (except with a pencil and paper). Nope. Truth is one thing you avoid.... WRONG...WRONG...WRONG...WRONG... Tsk, tsk. Jimmie boy, YOU don't CONTROL anything or anybody. Sure I do. I don't control everything or everybody, though. Tsk, you've LOST CONTROL of YOURSELF there... :-) So what? You're not a radio amateur, never been one, and it appears that you'll never become one either. That's the TRUTH. WHO said "I will never become one?" :-) Jimmie Noserve predicts the future? Should he be called Jimmie Nostradamus? :-) Jimmie, I've been an UNLICENSED radio-electronics hobbyist longer than you've been alive...and that IS the truth...in REALITY. I've been a LICENSED PROFESSIONAL in radio-electronics about as long as you've been alive...and that IS the truth...in REALITY. I was OPERATING on HF BEFORE you were born, Jimmie, IN the military...the military you've NEVER been in. That is reality...whether or not you care to accept it. Don't even ATTEMPT to CONTROL what I am "allowed" to do in the FUTURE...because you CANNOT and you do NOT know the future. Quit acting like a spoiled child who demands obediance to you and your ideas. Why no, Len, it's not about me at all. This thread is about the ARRL and the FUTURE, Jimmie. It isn't about the PAST that you glorify. It is about NUMBERS and who is getting what license in amateur radio. [the Technicians are getting the overwhelming majority of new licenses, upsetting your cherished ideals of How Amateur Radio Should Be] I never made a SACRED VOW in HERE on anything, "Sweetums." No, you didn't. I never claimed you did. You are trying to MANUFACTURE that condition. Nope - I'm simply pointing out what you claimed you would do, but haven't done yet. You aren't being CONSISTENT. Try to get it straight. Is it what *I* "might" do or is it about "what I will 'never' do?" You are (seemingly) bringing up an OLD piece of a posting to IMPLY that I "must" do it...EXACTLY as I wrote it. :-) YOU be the "jackass" when you keep on doing that. Jimmie, this thread is NOT about me. Why do you want to convene a kangaroo court? Are you that unhappy with things that you NEED to antagonistically "pick on" others? Get CONTROL of YOUR life. Get OFF of mine. Nope. I'm simply pointing out what you claimed you would do, but haven't done yet. And will probably never do. That TRUTH appears to bother you a lot. See, that OLD piece of posting is still sticking to the roof of your brain. Are you an Effluent? FANTASY doesn't bother me. You have much FANTASY going...especially when you come up with What Amateur Radio Should Be (according to your god-like perceptions and beliefs). Fantasy can be FUN as entertainment. FANTASY should NOT be any basis for REGULATIONS...yet that is what you think is "truth." TRUTH is what the FCC database has...the FCC grants the licenses, can tally up what it grants. The TRUTH is that the increase in NEW Technician licenses in the USA is averaging about 26 per day, over four times the total of other-class licenses put together. The ARRL is still busy keeping up the charade that U.S. ham radio is like it was many decades ago. It isn't. They aren't really trying to entice Technician class licensees into League membership. The post that Hans Brakob made addresses that FACT. YOU don't seem to like that TRUTH. You want to call such facts "wrong" because they are against your BELIEFS. You want to "strike back" at those that present the TRUTH because such TRUTHs are uncomfortable to your fantasy. |
wrote: You're just making up bull****. Typical jackass behavior for you. ;-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-) Jim defrocked after episode of potty mouth. |
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From: on Sun,May 15 2005 5:43 am wrote: From: on Thurs,May 12 2005 3:26 pm wrote: Why, Len? I don't claim to be the only accurate voice. Just more accurate than you. Heh heh heh...only by YOUR "authority!" :-) Which is more reliable than *your* "authority", Len....;-) ;-) ;-) The FCC doesn't appear to think as you do, Jimmie. Sure they do. Tsk, tsk, Jimmie...in the REAL reality of now they do NOT think as you do. Yes, they do. The ONLY one who "thinks like you do" is YOU. :-) Prove it. I've pointed out that the numbers I post are of currently- licensed individuals. You fail to mention that the numbers on hamdata.com include clubs and other non-individual licenses (over 9,000 of them) and expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses. Tsk, tsk. Early symptoms of Alzheimer's? Not in me. I've written "exclusive of club calls" on quoting the Hamdata statistics. Jimmie, get your definitions correct. Those amateur licensees who are IN the 2-year grace period for renewal are NOT "expired." The licensees may or may not have expired. Their licenses *have* expired. The FCC doesn't call them that. Yes, they do. Quoting FCC rules, 97.21 iii: "b) A person whose amateur station license grant has expired may apply to the FCC for renewal of the license grant for another term during a 2 year filing grace period. The application must be received at the address specified above prior to the end of the grace period. Unless and until the license grant is renewed, no privileges in this Part are conferred." The licensee may not have expired but the license sure has. I suggest you actually read Part 97, Len. If those renewals are done within that grace period, they retain their old call. Of course. But until FCC acts on the renewal application, the license is expired. "Expired" applies AFTER the total 10-year plus 2-year grace period. No, it doesn't. See 97.21. FCC also uses the term "expire" elsewhere in Part 97, to refer to licenses that have reached the end of the 10 year term, but not the grace period. Just answer the question, please. No. :-) Then why should I answer any of yours? That's simply not true, Len. You're just making up bull****. Typical jackass behavior for you. Tsk, tsk, very Very VERY WRONG, Jimmie Noserve. No Len. Would you prefer if I called you a diminutive nickname? Try to use CIVIL language in here... I have - for years. It doesn't work with you, Len. You exhibit jackass behavior in accordance with a predictable profile regardless - if a person disagrees with your opinions and/or points out errors in your postings here. I've repeatedly said that "radio amateur" means anyone licensed in the Amateur Radio Service. License class, band and mode don't matter. VHF/UHF is as much "real amateur radio" as HF. No, you have NOT. Sure I have. You're in error again, Len. I just quote it from the public database downloaded by one website from the FCC. So you accept hamdata.com without question... NO. You are WRONG! I question almost everything. I accept Hamdata figures for the simple reason that they do NOT go into ARRL- style sinning-by-omission on radio history and their minority viewpoint on How Amateur Radio SHOULD Be. I see, You use ad-hominem criteria. Does the ARRL download the daily FCC database on U.S. amateur radio licensees? Yes. But I do point out the holes in your arguments, and your factual/logical mistakes, which seems to enrage you no end.. No, No, NO, Jimmie, you got it WRONG again. All you do is engage in some odd word play to try and "justify" your rationalizations of your fantasy ideas about a hobby. That is NOT "correcting mistakes." See above about the word "expire" as used by FCC in Part 97. You made a mistake, Len. I pointed it out. Maybe I might want to get a ham license someday? Nope. We can rule that right out. Who are YOU to judge? Who do I have to be? You judge everyone else here, why shouldn't I? You are NOT in the FCC. Neither are you. You are NOT an official in the ARRL. Neither are you. All you are is acting like a snide little hamlet who can't accept that you do NOT "rule" anything (except with a pencil and paper). That's more a description of you than me, Len. So what? You're not a radio amateur, never been one, and it appears that you'll never become one either. That's the TRUTH. WHO said "I will never become one?" :-) It appears you will never become one. Just an observation. Jimmie, I've been an UNLICENSED radio-electronics hobbyist longer than you've been alive...and that IS the truth...in REALITY. So what? All that means is that you are old and that you have fooled with some electronic stuff. Lots of people can say the same thing. I've been a LICENSED PROFESSIONAL in radio-electronics about as long as you've been alive...and that IS the truth...in REALITY. So what? All that means is that you are old and that you passed a written test for an FCC *commercial* license once upon a time. Lots of people can say the same thing. I was OPERATING on HF BEFORE you were born, Jimmie, IN the military...the military you've NEVER been in. That is reality...whether or not you care to accept it. So what? All that means is that you are old and that you once served in the Army, where you were trained to do certain transmitter adjustments, as part of a large team of specialists. Lots of people can say the same thing. Don't even ATTEMPT to CONTROL Control? Another mistake by you. I just observe and predict. what I am "allowed" to do in the FUTURE...because you CANNOT and you do NOT know the future. I do know your behavior here, though, and that's a clear predictor of what you will and won't do. For example, I've predicted that you'll make up insulting nicknames for those who disagree with you no matter how they address you. So far you've proved that prediction 100% correct. Quit acting like a spoiled child who demands obediance to you and your ideas. "Don't even ATTEMPT to CONTROL what I am "allowed" to do in the FUTURE...because you CANNOT and you do NOT know the future." - Len Anderson Apply your own rules for others to your own behavior, Len. Why no, Len, it's not about me at all. This thread is about the ARRL and the FUTURE, Jimmie. "Don't even ATTEMPT to CONTROL what I am "allowed" to do in the FUTURE...because you CANNOT and you do NOT know the future." - Len Anderson It isn't about the PAST that you glorify. It is about NUMBERS and who is getting what license in amateur radio. [the Technicians are getting the overwhelming majority of new licenses, That's true. But so what? upsetting your cherished ideals of How Amateur Radio Should Be] Not true. The fact is that a lot of those Technicians are going on to other licenses. Some time back you posted the snippet that the Technician class was growing at a rate of 26 per day. I asked how many Technician Pluses were being renewed as Technicians, but you didn't answer. It turns out that the Technician Plus class is *losing* about 26 per day. Of course not all of them are renewing as Technicians - some are upgrading and some are being removed from the database. (the above is from hamdata.com) I never made a SACRED VOW in HERE on anything, "Sweetums." No, you didn't. I never claimed you did. You are trying to MANUFACTURE that condition. Nope - I'm simply pointing out what you claimed you would do, but haven't done yet. You aren't being CONSISTENT. Try to get it straight. Is it what *I* "might" do or is it about "what I will 'never' do?" You claimed you were going for Extra "right out of the box". January 19, 2000, more than 5-1/4 years ago. But you haven't even got a Technician license yet. As I wrote befo You're not a radio amateur, never been one, and it appears that you'll never become one either. That's the TRUTH. Note the phrase "it appears that you'll never". You are (seemingly) bringing up an OLD piece of a posting to IMPLY that I "must" do it...EXACTLY as I wrote it. :-) Not at all, Len. I'm simply pointing out what you said you would do, but haven't done yet. And that it appears you'll never do it. YOU be the "jackass" when you keep on doing that. Hmmm...now who doesn't like the truth? Jimmie, this thread is NOT about me. Why do you want to convene a kangaroo court? Are you that unhappy with things that you NEED to antagonistically "pick on" others? Get CONTROL of YOUR life. Get OFF of mine. Sounds like you're telling me to shut up. Here's a clue, Len: "Don't even ATTEMPT to CONTROL what I am "allowed" to do in the FUTURE...because you CANNOT and you do NOT know the future." - Len Anderson Nope. I'm simply pointing out what you claimed you would do, but haven't done yet. And will probably never do. See? That's what you want to control. That TRUTH appears to bother you a lot. See, that OLD piece of posting is still sticking to the roof of your brain. Are you an Effluent? FANTASY doesn't bother me. You have much FANTASY going...especially when you come up with What Amateur Radio Should Be (according to your god-like perceptions and beliefs). Fantasy can be FUN as entertainment. FANTASY should NOT be any basis for REGULATIONS...yet that is what you think is "truth." TRUTH is what the FCC database has...the FCC grants the licenses, can tally up what it grants. The TRUTH is that the increase in NEW Technician licenses in the USA is averaging about 26 per day, over four times the total of other-class licenses put together. No, that's not what hamdata.com says. You're wrong, Len. Hamdata.com says that the number of Technician licenses is increasing at the rate of about 25 per day - *from all sources*. Not just new licenses - *ALL* sources. Got that? It means Technician Pluses renewed as Technicians, Novices who pass Element 2, and new licenses. Hamdata.com also shows that the Tech Plus license class is *decreasing* by about 25 per day over the same time period. You misinterpreted hamdata.com. The ARRL is still busy keeping up the charade that U.S. ham radio is like it was many decades ago. How are they doing that? It isn't. They aren't really trying to entice Technician class licensees into League membership. How do you know? The post that Hans Brakob made addresses that FACT. YOU don't seem to like that TRUTH. You want to call such facts "wrong" because they are against your BELIEFS. You want to "strike back" at those that present the TRUTH because such TRUTHs are uncomfortable to your fantasy. Not me. You're simply saying that your *opinions* about ARRL are "THE TRUTH". That's just bull**** on your part. No other word to describe it. |
wrote: wrote: Jimmie, get your definitions correct. Those amateur licensees who are IN the 2-year grace period for renewal are NOT "expired." The licensees may or may not have expired. Their licenses *have* expired. The FCC doesn't call them that. Yes, they do. Quoting FCC rules, 97.21 iii: "b) A person whose amateur station license grant has expired may apply to the FCC for renewal of the license grant for another term during a 2 year filing grace period. The application must be received at the address specified above prior to the end of the grace period. Unless and until the license grant is renewed, no privileges in this Part are conferred." The licensee may not have expired but the license sure has. I suggest you actually read Part 97, Len. Now THAT would be refreshing... Of course you've cited that exact same paragraph to Lennie on several occassions before when he's made the same error, yet he continues to make THE SAME ERROR. Just answer the question, please. No. Then why should I answer any of yours? Indeed. Lennie's been asked MANY questions by many persons on numerous subjects...The only answer (paraphrased) "I don't have to answer the questions of mighty morsemen". But he has point-blank DEMANDED answers from us...Hence my refusal to further address my Armed Forces service outside the realm of radio...I love seeing him twist in his seat...Burns him up to know he doesn't have control. Try to use CIVIL language in here... I have - for years. It doesn't work with you, Len. You exhibit jack### behavior in accordance with a predictable profile regardless - if a person disagrees with your opinions and/or points out errors in your postings here. Lennie's nickname should be "Diode"...things are only one way with him... But I do point out the holes in your arguments, and your factual/logical mistakes, which seems to enrage you no end.. No, No, NO, Jimmie, you got it WRONG again. All you do is engage in some odd word play to try and "justify" your rationalizations of your fantasy ideas about a hobby. That is NOT "correcting mistakes." See above about the word "expire" as used by FCC in Part 97. You made a mistake, Len. I pointed it out. Facts are NOT Lennie's forte. Jimmie, I've been an UNLICENSED radio-electronics hobbyist longer than you've been alive...and that IS the truth...in REALITY. So what? All that means is that you are old and that you have fooled with some electronic stuff. Lots of people can say the same thing. And obviously not very proud of what he's allegedly done...No details..no pics....Nothing... I was OPERATING on HF BEFORE you were born, Jimmie, IN the military...the military you've NEVER been in. That is reality...whether or not you care to accept it. So what? All that means is that you are old and that you once served in the Army, where you were trained to do certain transmitter adjustments, as part of a large team of specialists. Lots of people can say the same thing. He was a radio mechanic. Nothing more...nothing less. Quit acting like a spoiled child who demands obediance to you and your ideas. "Don't even ATTEMPT to CONTROL what I am "allowed" to do in the FUTURE...because you CANNOT and you do NOT know the future." - Len Anderson That was the pot calling the kettle black! Apply your own rules for others to your own behavior, Len. Yeah...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...Wanna see the pics from my weekend soire with Britney Spears too...?!?! You aren't being CONSISTENT. Try to get it straight. Is it what *I* "might" do or is it about "what I will 'never' do?" You claimed you were going for Extra "right out of the box". January 19, 2000, more than 5-1/4 years ago. But you haven't even got a Technician license yet. Exactly what HAS Lennie done with ANY "radio hobby" activity since he joined this forum? Other than "DX" the ATIS at LAX with a scanner, that is...?!?! You are (seemingly) bringing up an OLD piece of a posting to IMPLY that I "must" do it...EXACTLY as I wrote it. :-) Not at all, Len. I'm simply pointing out what you said you would do, but haven't done yet. And that it appears you'll never do it. Why WOULDN'T we expect you to do what you said you'd do, Lennie? Is your written word not of any value? YOU don't seem to like that TRUTH. You want to call such facts "wrong" because they are against your BELIEFS. You want to "strike back" at those that present the TRUTH because such TRUTHs are uncomfortable to your fantasy. Not me. You're simply saying that your *opinions* about ARRL are "THE TRUTH". That's just bull#### on your part. No other word to describe it. I'm still waiting to see if Lennie ever ponies up any proof for his assertion that the "ARRL is dishonest". 73 Steve, K4YZ |
wrote: wrote: Just answer the question, please. No. :-) Then why should I answer any of yours? There is no reason so don't. "Don't Feed the Animaks" That's simply not true, Len. You're just making up bull****. Typical jackass behavior for you. Tsk, tsk, very Very VERY WRONG, Jimmie Noserve. No Len. Would you prefer if I called you a diminutive nickname? Probably. "Jackass" doesn't really do him justice James. Jackasses are gentle little guys, he's more like a big horse's ass. w3rv |
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wrote: wrote: Jimmie, get your definitions correct. Those amateur licensees who are IN the 2-year grace period for renewal are NOT "expired." The licensees may or may not have expired. Their licenses *have* expired. The FCC doesn't call them that. Yes, they do. Quoting FCC rules, 97.21 iii: "b) A person whose amateur station license grant has expired may apply to the FCC for renewal of the license grant for another term during a 2 year filing grace period. The application must be received at the address specified above prior to the end of the grace period. Unless and until the license grant is renewed, no privileges in this Part are conferred." The licensee may not have expired but the license sure has. I suggest you actually read Part 97, Len. Now THAT would be refreshing... Don't hold your breath.... Of course you've cited that exact same paragraph to Lennie on several occassions before when he's made the same error, yet he continues to make THE SAME ERROR. Not really. You are mistaken, Steve. Back around the end of last year, Len posted here that *all* licensees were perfectly legal to operate in the grace period. That's simply not true. The way it works is that if someone files for renewal in a timely fashion (meaning during the 90 day window at the end of a license term), FCC allows them to keep their license privileges (and keep operating legally) while the renewal action is pending. But if the end of the 10 year license passes - even by one day! - the licensee is *not* allowed to operate until the renewal is actually processed by FCC. So there are some licensees who can "legally operate in the grace period" - those who filed their renewals in a timely fashion. The rest cannot. Len wrote that all licensees could legally operate in the grace period - that's simply wrong. His mistake this time is different - he claims FCC doesn't use the term "expired" to mean licenses whose 10 year term is past but which have not been renewed. That's wrong too - the term "expired" is used by FCC for just that purpose. Len made two different mistakes on the same section of Part 97, Steve, not one. Just answer the question, please. No. Then why should I answer any of yours? Indeed. Lennie's been asked MANY questions by many persons on numerous subjects...The only answer (paraphrased) "I don't have to answer the questions of mighty morsemen". Brian Burke does the same thing. So I ignore him. But he has point-blank DEMANDED answers from us...Hence my refusal to further address my Armed Forces service outside the realm of radio...I love seeing him twist in his seat...Burns him up to know he doesn't have control. Try to use CIVIL language in here... I have - for years. It doesn't work with you, Len. You exhibit jack### behavior in accordance with a predictable profile regardless - if a person disagrees with your opinions and/or points out errors in your postings here. Lennie's nickname should be "Diode"...things are only one way with him... Hmmm... But I do point out the holes in your arguments, and your factual/logical mistakes, which seems to enrage you no end.. No, No, NO, Jimmie, you got it WRONG again. All you do is engage in some odd word play to try and "justify" your rationalizations of your fantasy ideas about a hobby. That is NOT "correcting mistakes." See above about the word "expire" as used by FCC in Part 97. You made a mistake, Len. I pointed it out. Facts are NOT Lennie's forte. Jimmie, I've been an UNLICENSED radio-electronics hobbyist longer than you've been alive...and that IS the truth...in REALITY. So what? All that means is that you are old and that you have fooled with some electronic stuff. Lots of people can say the same thing. And obviously not very proud of what he's allegedly done...No details..no pics....Nothing... No website. AOL allows a website for each screen name - Len could have seven websites, showing us what he's done "in radio". He has none. I was OPERATING on HF BEFORE you were born, Jimmie, IN the military...the military you've NEVER been in. That is reality...whether or not you care to accept it. So what? All that means is that you are old and that you once served in the Army, where you were trained to do certain transmitter adjustments, as part of a large team of specialists. Lots of people can say the same thing. He was a radio mechanic. Nothing more...nothing less. Not a bad thing. Quit acting like a spoiled child who demands obediance to you and your ideas. "Don't even ATTEMPT to CONTROL what I am "allowed" to do in the FUTURE...because you CANNOT and you do NOT know the future." - Len Anderson That was the pot calling the kettle black! Apply your own rules for others to your own behavior, Len. Yeah...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...Wanna see the pics from my weekend soire with Britney Spears too...?!?! AAAAHHHHHH!!!! MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You aren't being CONSISTENT. Try to get it straight. Is it what *I* "might" do or is it about "what I will 'never' do?" You claimed you were going for Extra "right out of the box". January 19, 2000, more than 5-1/4 years ago. But you haven't even got a Technician license yet. Exactly what HAS Lennie done with ANY "radio hobby" activity since he joined this forum? Other than "DX" the ATIS at LAX with a scanner, that is...?!?! You are (seemingly) bringing up an OLD piece of a posting to IMPLY that I "must" do it...EXACTLY as I wrote it. :-) Not at all, Len. I'm simply pointing out what you said you would do, but haven't done yet. And that it appears you'll never do it. Why WOULDN'T we expect you to do what you said you'd do, Lennie? Is your written word not of any value? Bingo! YOU don't seem to like that TRUTH. You want to call such facts "wrong" because they are against your BELIEFS. You want to "strike back" at those that present the TRUTH because such TRUTHs are uncomfortable to your fantasy. Not me. You're simply saying that your *opinions* about ARRL are "THE TRUTH". That's just bull#### on your part. No other word to describe it. I'm still waiting to see if Lennie ever ponies up any proof for his assertion that the "ARRL is dishonest". The claim was that there was no way the children pictured could have obtained their licenses honestly. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
wrote: K4YZ wrote: Of course you've cited that exact same paragraph to Lennie on several occassions before when he's made the same error, yet he continues to make THE SAME ERROR. Not really. You are mistaken, Steve. You're right, of course...However Lennie DOES still refuse to acknowledge the error and correct himself. Still wrong. Lennie's been asked MANY questions by many persons on numerous subjects...The only answer (paraphrased) "I don't have to answer the questions of mighty morsemen". Brian Burke does the same thing. So I ignore him. I guess I am getting there. After our last "rounds" it appeared that Brian might actually be open to communication, however he started right back into the same rants, the same lies, and the same refusal to substantiate his own claims. Pity that. Pity what his kids will see someday. And obviously not very proud of what he's allegedly done...No details..no pics....Nothing... No website. AOL allows a website for each screen name - Len could have seven websites, showing us what he's done "in radio". He has none. Seven more opportunities to REALLY participate in the radio hobby squandered. I am not surprised, though. He was a radio mechanic. Nothing more...nothing less. Not a bad thing. No...not a bad thing...but not what he has been representing his service as... Quit acting like a spoiled child who demands obediance to you and your ideas. "Don't even ATTEMPT to CONTROL what I am "allowed" to do in the FUTURE...because you CANNOT and you do NOT know the future." - Len Anderson That was the pot calling the kettle black! Apply your own rules for others to your own behavior, Len. Yeah...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...Wanna see the pics from my weekend soire with Britney Spears too...?!?! AAAAHHHHHH!!!! MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Exactly. I'm still waiting to see if Lennie ever ponies up any proof for his assertion that the "ARRL is dishonest". The claim was that there was no way the children pictured could have obtained their licenses honestly. I'm not going to dig it out, Jim, but Lennie DID use the exact words "...the ARRL BoD is dishonest..." on several occassions. I quoted and requoted his comments on numerous occassions asking him to validate that claim...Needless to say, he never did. 73...An A B S O L U T E L Y gorgeous day here in SE Tennessee...Sorry I ahve to work this afternoon! Steve, K4YZ |
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bb wrote: wrote: Brian Burke does the same thing. So I ignore him. That only became a problem after you stated that a Morse Code Exam would pose a barrier to Morse Code use and I brought it to the front. And you STILL haven't explained yourself or made your point. Now you call people names and swear a lot. As opposed to YOUR swearing and YOUR name calling? Oh..And not to forget...Your habitual lying and deceit...??? Lessee....430.... Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Brian Burke does the same thing. So I ignore him. That only became a problem after you stated that a Morse Code Exam would pose a barrier to Morse Code use and I brought it to the front. And you STILL haven't explained yourself or made your point. No explanation necessary. Jim made the NCTA Point! Now you call people names and swear a lot. As opposed to YOUR swearing and YOUR name calling? I don't snip out a person's legitimate callsign because it "offends," then turn around and call someone an asshole. Oh..And not to forget...Your habitual lying and deceit...??? How can I forget that. You've got that corner locked up tight. Lessee....430.... Steve, K4YZ You give yourself way too much credit. It was only 29 when I lost count at the end of the treee weeks. |
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wrote: wrote: wrote: Just answer the question, please. No. :-) Then why should I answer any of yours? There is no reason so don't. "Don't Feed the Animaks" That's simply not true, Len. You're just making up bull****. Typical jackass behavior for you. Tsk, tsk, very Very VERY WRONG, Jimmie Noserve. No Len. Would you prefer if I called you a diminutive nickname? Probably. "Jackass" doesn't really do him justice James. Jackasses are gentle little guys, he's more like a big horse's ass. w3rv ...with "real" military experience. Got any? W3RV has real amateur radio experience. Do you suppose Len has any? Our Leonard certainly has more time-in-grade as a horse's patoot. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: Just answer the question, please. No. :-) Then why should I answer any of yours? There is no reason so don't. "Don't Feed the Animaks" That's simply not true, Len. You're just making up bull****. Typical jackass behavior for you. Tsk, tsk, very Very VERY WRONG, Jimmie Noserve. No Len. Would you prefer if I called you a diminutive nickname? Probably. "Jackass" doesn't really do him justice James. Jackasses are gentle little guys, he's more like a big horse's ass. w3rv ...with "real" military experience. Got any? W3RV has real amateur radio experience. Do you suppose Len has any? Our Leonard certainly has more time-in-grade as a horse's patoot. Bofum actually. Between the artifact "battle-scarred" RTTY repeater babysitter and his mindless T5 shipping dock carton-kicking syncophant .. . yeah, they both make the "grade". Plop-plop. Dave K8MN w3rv |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Brian Burke does the same thing. So I ignore him. That only became a problem after you stated that a Morse Code Exam would pose a barrier to Morse Code use and I brought it to the front. And you STILL haven't explained yourself or made your point. No explanation necessary. Jim made the NCTA Point! What point? There's only you and Lennie going "SEE! SEE!" Now you call people names and swear a lot. As opposed to YOUR swearing and YOUR name calling? I don't snip out a person's legitimate callsign because it "offends," then turn around and call someone an ###hole. You just skip to the profanities. Now I see the difference. Oh..And not to forget...Your habitual lying and deceit...??? How can I forget that. You've got that corner locked up tight. No... I have YOU locked tight in that corner... Well...No...On second thought, YOU have you locked in that corner. Lessee....430.... Steve, K4YZ You give yourself way too much credit. It was only 29 when I lost count at the end of the treee weeks. "treee weeks"...???? Celebrating "Arbor Day", are you? And "29" what? Steve, K4YZ |
bb wrote: wrote: wrote: "Jack###" doesn't really do him justice James. Jack###es are gentle little guys, he's more like a big horse's ###. w3rv ...with "real" military experience. Got any? I love it. A rear-area weather-guesser chiding others on 'military service". Steve, K4YZ |
Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: Just answer the question, please. No. :-) Then why should I answer any of yours? There is no reason so don't. "Don't Feed the Animaks" That's simply not true, Len. You're just making up bull****. Typical jackass behavior for you. Tsk, tsk, very Very VERY WRONG, Jimmie Noserve. No Len. Would you prefer if I called you a diminutive nickname? Probably. "Jackass" doesn't really do him justice James. Jackasses are gentle little guys, he's more like a big horse's ass. w3rv ...with "real" military experience. Got any? W3RV has real amateur radio experience. Says he does. Do you suppose Len has any? Our Leonard certainly has more time-in-grade as a horse's patoot. And you just might match him for "time-in-service." |
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K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: wrote: "Jack###" doesn't really do him justice James. Jack###es are gentle little guys, he's more like a big horse's ###. w3rv ...with "real" military experience. Got any? I love it. I do too. Superior Extra's making yet more BS claims of things they've never done. A rear-area weather-guesser chiding others on 'military service". Do detail -your- claims of your service, oh Silly Gunny. The guys who got kicked out of boot camp for sleep-walking have more "real military experience" than Brian Kelly/W3RV. |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Brian Burke does the same thing. So I ignore him. That only became a problem after you stated that a Morse Code Exam would pose a barrier to Morse Code use and I brought it to the front. And you STILL haven't explained yourself or made your point. No explanation necessary. Jim made the NCTA Point! What point? There's only you and Lennie going "SEE! SEE!" Silly Gunny, if an Extra craps in the woods, it still stinks. Now you call people names and swear a lot. As opposed to YOUR swearing and YOUR name calling? I don't snip out a person's legitimate callsign because it "offends," then turn around and call someone an ###hole. You just skip to the profanities. Now I see the difference. Right, no double-standard "A" NCOIC. Oh..And not to forget...Your habitual lying and deceit...??? How can I forget that. You've got that corner locked up tight. No... I have YOU locked tight in that corner... Well...No...On second thought, YOU have you locked in that corner. I see it differently. Much differently. Lessee....430.... Steve, K4YZ You give yourself way too much credit. It was only 29 when I lost count at the end of the treee weeks. "treee weeks"...???? Celebrating "Arbor Day", are you? "Tree" is proper radio pronunciation of "Three" on MARS nets. Hi, hi! Best of Luck on that one. And "29" what? New lies. |
bb wrote: wrote: Bofum actually. Between the artifact "battle-scarred" RTTY repeater babysitter and his mindless T5 shipping dock carton-kicking syncophant . . yeah, they both make the "grade". Plop-plop. w3rv "Shipping dock, carton-kicking what?" Hi, hi! I was never a loggie! I'm still curious about your claims of "real military experience." Got any? In uniform? Zip. In my J.A. Banks suits you bet! What's any of it have to do with ham radio?? And I didn't say any on you'se guys at Dayton today. They prolly saw you first and ducked out of sight. w3rv |
wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Bofum actually. Between the artifact "battle-scarred" RTTY repeater babysitter and his mindless T5 shipping dock carton-kicking syncophant . . yeah, they both make the "grade". Plop-plop. w3rv "Shipping dock, carton-kicking what?" Hi, hi! I was never a loggie! I'm still curious about your claims of "real military experience." Got any? In uniform? Zip. In my J.A. Banks suits you bet! What's any of it have to do with ham radio?? You tell me. You're the one who made the "real military service" brag on this very forum. Real military service wich you don't have. And I didn't say any on you'se guys at Dayton today. They prolly saw you first and ducked out of sight. w3rv So the mighty Tree RV didn't make it either? Some hams you guys are. |
bb wrote: wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Bofum actually. Between the artifact "battle-scarred" RTTY repeater babysitter and his mindless T5 shipping dock carton-kicking syncophant . . yeah, they both make the "grade". Plop-plop. w3rv "Shipping dock, carton-kicking what?" Hi, hi! I was never a loggie! I'm still curious about your claims of "real military experience." Got any? In uniform? Zip. In my J.A. Banks suits you bet! What's any of it have to do with ham radio?? You tell me. You're the one who made the "real military service" brag on this very forum. Real military service wich you don't have. And I didn't say any on you'se guys at Dayton today. They prolly saw you first and ducked out of sight. w3rv So the mighty Tree RV didn't make it either? Some hams you guys are. That would be "which" for little-man Steve. |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Brian Burke does the same thing. So I ignore him. That only became a problem after you stated that a Morse Code Exam would pose a barrier to Morse Code use and I brought it to the front. And you STILL haven't explained yourself or made your point. No explanation necessary. Jim made the NCTA Point! What point? There's only you and Lennie going "SEE! SEE!" Now you call people names and swear a lot. As opposed to YOUR swearing and YOUR name calling? I don't snip out a person's legitimate callsign because it "offends," then turn around and call someone an ###hole. You just skip to the profanities. Now I see the difference. Oh..And not to forget...Your habitual lying and deceit...??? How can I forget that. You've got that corner locked up tight. No... I have YOU locked tight in that corner... Well...No...On second thought, YOU have you locked in that corner. Lessee....430.... Why does Robeson have my street address in his sights? |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Brian Burke does the same thing. So I ignore him. That only became a problem after you stated that a Morse Code Exam would pose a barrier to Morse Code use and I brought it to the front. And you STILL haven't explained yourself or made your point. Now you call people names and swear a lot. As opposed to YOUR swearing and YOUR name calling? Oh..And not to forget...Your habitual lying and deceit...??? Lessee....430.... Steve, K4YZ "Lessee....430...." what???? What??? I made no reference to "430." Why does Steve stalk my street address??? Creepy!!! Does he plan on stopping by my address on his way to the Dayton Hamvention??? On his way home??? Gotta talk to my wife??? Equal time with my son??? Yikes! Extra Creepiness. Jim/N3EY might approve, but no one else would. |
bb wrote: wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Bofum actually. Between the artifact "battle-scarred" RTTY repeater babysitter and his mindless T5 shipping dock carton-kicking syncophant . . yeah, they both make the "grade". Plop-plop. w3rv "Shipping dock, carton-kicking what?" Hi, hi! I was never a loggie! I'm still curious about your claims of "real military experience." Got any? In uniform? Zip. In my J.A. Banks suits you bet! What's any of it have to do with ham radio?? You tell me. You're the one who made the "real military service" brag on this very forum. Real military service wich you don't have. Heh. That's 100% bull**** Burke and you know it. Cite the post by date/time. And I didn't say any on you'se guys at Dayton today. They prolly saw you first and ducked out of sight. w3rv So the mighty Tree RV didn't make it either? Some hams you guys are. How's your "antanna project" coming along? |
wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Bofum actually. Between the artifact "battle-scarred" RTTY repeater babysitter and his mindless T5 shipping dock carton-kicking syncophant . . yeah, they both make the "grade". Plop-plop. w3rv "Shipping dock, carton-kicking what?" Hi, hi! I was never a loggie! I'm still curious about your claims of "real military experience." Got any? In uniform? Zip. That's right. So don't go blathering that you've got anything even resembling "real military experience" again. Got it? You've been outed. In my J.A. Banks suits you bet! Hi! What's any of it have to do with ham radio?? Absolutely nothing! So why did you make such lying claims on a ham radio newsgroup??? You've been outed! And I didn't say any on you'se guys at Dayton today. They prolly saw you first and ducked out of sight. w3rv I saw Ed Hare up on stage while I renewed my membership for the very last time. Haynie was approachable. Though I disagreed with Ed, I actually respected his presence on RRAP right up to the time he called me a bootlegger. He crossed the line and he knows it. I could have respected Kelly as well. He made the same mistake and he has told lies. For example, he has no military experience though he has said otherwise. |
wrote: bb wrote: wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Bofum actually. Between the artifact "battle-scarred" RTTY repeater babysitter and his mindless T5 shipping dock carton-kicking syncophant . . yeah, they both make the "grade". Plop-plop. w3rv "Shipping dock, carton-kicking what?" Hi, hi! I was never a loggie! I'm still curious about your claims of "real military experience." Got any? In uniform? Zip. In my J.A. Banks suits you bet! What's any of it have to do with ham radio?? You tell me. You're the one who made the "real military service" brag on this very forum. Real military service wich you don't have. Heh. That's 100% bull**** Burke and you know it. Cite the post by date/time. Hi! If you want to characterize your words as 100% bull**** Kelly, I'll not stand in your way. And I didn't say any on you'se guys at Dayton today. They prolly saw you first and ducked out of sight. w3rv So the mighty Tree RV didn't make it either? Some hams you guys are. How's your "antanna project" coming along? So how was your visit to Dayton? |
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