From: "K=D8HB" on Tues,May 3 2005 5:59 pm

"bb" wrote

The ARRL is about HF radio using Morse Code.

Bull****.

In the face of REALITY of years of published fact
that Brian is right, I "hurl your opinion aside
with great force!"

wrote in message
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I "hurl your opinion aside with great force!"

As WA6AUD is oft heard to say --- "Sunuvagun!" or "ZUE ZBM2"

dit dit

de Hans, K0HB

wrote:
From: "K=D8=88B" on Tues,May 3 2005 5:59 pm

"bb" wrote

The ARRL is about HF radio using Morse Code.

Bull****.

In the face of REALITY of years of published fact
that Brian is right, I "hurl your opinion aside
with great force!"



Yup, everyone just got through saying that there's a problem attracting
Technicians to the organization. No one seems to be able to put their
finger on exactly why, only because they reject the -correct- answer
(reminds me of the OJ case). And they still wring their hands and bite
their knuckles and ask, "Why?"

OK, I'll rephrase the answer. The ARRL may not be just about HF
radio using Morse Code, but the Technicians think it is. Hi! Sheds a
whole new light on the subject. How about that for fair play?

"bb" wrote

The ARRL may not be just about HF
radio using Morse Code, but the Technicians think it is.

I think that's probably a reasonably accurate statement.

And it is what my PBI is intended to address --- putting ARRL back into
"mainstreet amateur radio" where the Technicians live, and connecting with them
in the activities that are relevant to them.

73, de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"bb" wrote

The ARRL may not be just about HF
radio using Morse Code, but the Technicians think it is.

I think that's probably a reasonably accurate statement.

But why should they?

Almost every aspect of ARRL policy and practice is focused on
getting MORE people into Amateur Radio and USING those people in their
programs, ie ARES.

There's not one sentence, nay one letter in any ARRL policy or
program that "disses" anyone because of their level of licensure.

And it is what my PBI is intended to address --- putting ARRL back
into
"mainstreet amateur radio" where the Technicians live, and connecting
with them
in the activities that are relevant to them.

ARES isn't? Special Services Clubs?

They've accomodated NCT's at almost every turn...Even most of the
League's long time awards have been adapated or modified in some form
to accomodate them.

I just don't see it. I didn't see it when I was a Novice. Nor
when I was a Tech, General, Advanced or Extra.

The ARRL is a NATIONAL organization. I think they do the best
that they can to help promote Amateur Radio, and if they were to do
anything more for the grass roots level, it would be with getting more
air-time/print in national media.

Several years ago we all got into a turn over how it seems like
there are certain mindsets drawn to Amateur Radio...EMS-types,
experimenters, "gadget freaks" and competitors.

Instead of trying to "recruit" persons from other (most likely
disinterested) demographics, why not just capitalize on the ones that
seem to have a large drawing? EMS, Aviation, "orienteering" and
outdoors types, engineering, etc.

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote in message
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Almost every aspect of ARRL policy and practice is focused on
getting MORE people into Amateur Radio....

My PBI isn't concerned with "getting more people into Amateur Radio".

Instead of trying to "recruit" persons from other (most likely
disinterested) demographics, why not just capitalize on the
ones that seem to have a large drawing?

My PBI has nothing to do with recruiting persons into Amateur Radio.

It deals with a program aimed at putting ARRL back on mainstreet where is was
when over 50% of "1 year Novices" were card carrying ARRL members.

de Hans, K0HB

From: "bb" on Wed,May 4 2005 4:13 pm

wrote:
From: "K0HB" on Tues,May 3 2005 5:59 pm

"bb" wrote

The ARRL is about HF radio using Morse Code.

Bull****.

In the face of REALITY of years of published fact
that Brian is right, I "hurl your opinion aside
with great force!"



Yup, everyone just got through saying that there's a problem
attracting
Technicians to the organization. No one seems to be able to put their
finger on exactly why, only because they reject the -correct- answer
(reminds me of the OJ case). And they still wring their hands and
bite
their knuckles and ask, "Why?"

It's awful. Those olde-tymers just CAN'T understand
why all the newcomers DON'T worship the olde-tymers'
ideals of long ago.

Hell, I'm OLDER than most of them and I STARTED on
HF...but NOT doing a bit of "CW." :-)

OK, I'll rephrase the answer. The ARRL may not be just about HF
radio using Morse Code, but the Technicians think it is. Hi! Sheds a
whole new light on the subject. How about that for fair play?

Works for me. :-)

Does definitely NOT work for those olde-tyme
morsemen locked into the standards and
practices of seven decades ago...they're
still scratching their balding heads wondering
why the rest of the radio world gave up on "CW."

Well, they have their imaginary universes
locked up in their heads. They seem to be
happy in their status quondam...

wrote


Does definitely NOT work for those olde-tyme
morsemen locked into the standards and
practices of seven decades ago...they're
still scratching their balding heads wondering
why the rest of the radio world gave up on "CW."

Armenian judges gave it a 9.8 on the Olympic Troll-O-Meter,
but they were over-ruled by the umpires in instant replay, who
award it a 2.1.

The Armenian judges lodged a formal protest!

It was sufficiently trollish, of course, but way too obvious.
It was poorly written, poorly executed, and was so incredibly
lame as to lack the true drawing power of a really masterful
troll. Maybe as high as a 2.3 for the sheer stupidity of the
premise, but a 9.8? Never! The Armenian judges tear their
hair out, throw their balalaikas down in dismay, and perform
the traditional Armenian Dismay Chant! They demand a recount!

Regards,

Hans, K0HB
Lord High Keeper of the Troll-O-Meter


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Where is the PBI at now, Hans?

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Michael Coslo" wrote


Where is the PBI at now, Hans?


It's here and at QRZ.COM forum for open-comment.

It's in the hands of W5JBP and the Dakota Division elected leadership for
feedback.

73, de Hans, K0HB