bb wrote:
wrote:

Robeson lies. Probably just more lies. Totally expected.

You claim that but you don't prove it.

Actually, Robeson is "taking the chance" by NOT finding
out anything in detail. He is BLUFFING without having
done any research.

He shouldn't have to do "research." After all, he claims "A" NCOIC
of
Okinawa MARS. Yet he is woefully ignorant of MARS communications.

Nope. I was wrong about "Q" signal useage in REGULAR military
communications.

So far, the rest is rantrot of yours. Oh well.

Robeson is deceitful.

You claim that but you don't prove it.

Chief AF MARS. (Need the address?) Can get you the address
for

I used to walk into Ray Collins office whenever I had questions not
covered by the MOD. Friendly guy.

I am sure he was.

Steve was probably one of those guys who had trouble holding on to a
job.

Nope. Doing just fine, thank-you!

Steve could post his SSN.

Now you're TRYING to be funny instead of just being laughed at...

He lacks judgement, yet he constantly passes judgement.

Oh no...I make no "judgement".

I make observations. I express my opinion based upon evvaluation
of those observations.

Pillsbury Dough Boy with mustache said this on his web site:

"I may have to yield to aging, but I refuse to grow up!"

He did...?!?!

He must have taken that from MY site! Mine says the same thing!

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Sun,May 15 2005 1:17 am

Chief AF MARS. (Need the address?) Can get you the address
for
the administrative officer at 1st MAW or MCB camp Butler if you'd
like.

The USAF Communications Headquarters is at Scott AFB,
isn't it? Why is Stebie mentioning Air Force?

I didn't mention the Air Force. I mentioned AF MARS.

Do you know where HQ, AF MARS is? (Doh!)

Do you know which agency Air Force MARS belongs to? (Doh!)

I was a member of USAF MARS at one point.

Alleged member.

Gave everyone here the
callsign and dates I was a member.

Alleged member.

Your puppetboy asked for
information. That was part of it. Now he's trying to worm his way
out
from under having to actually find out that, yes, Steve was telling
the
truth.

Check your authentic Air Force MARS documentation. The address is on
it. Of course, you didn't know that because you've never had authentic
Air Force MARS documentation, because you've never been a member of Air
Force MARS.

You knowledge of any service's MARS communications is grossly lacking.

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Hi, hi!

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

I was a member of USAF MARS at one point.

Alleged member.

Nope. Real member. AFA1OQ.

You've been given the callsign, dates and times I was in AFMARS.
Why do you keep calling me a liar when you have the verifiable data in
hand?

I say you're a coward.

Your own inaction proves it.

Gave everyone here the
callsign and dates I was a member.

Alleged member.

Nope. Real member. AFA1OQ.

You've been given the callsign, dates and times I was in AFMARS.
Why do you keep calling me a liar when you have the verifiable data in
hand?

I say you're a coward.

Your own inaction proves it.

Your puppetboy asked for
information. That was part of it. Now he's trying to worm his way
out
from under having to actually find out that, yes, Steve was telling
the
truth.

Check your authentic Air Force MARS documentation. The address is on
it. Of course, you didn't know that because you've never had
authentic
Air Force MARS documentation, because you've never been a member of
Air
Force MARS.

And you continue to be a habitual liar.

Pity that.

Steve, K4YZ

From: "bb" on Tues,May 17 2005 4:57 pm

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Sun,May 15 2005 1:17 am

Chief AF MARS. (Need the address?) Can get you the address
for
the administrative officer at 1st MAW or MCB camp Butler if you'd
like.

The USAF Communications Headquarters is at Scott AFB,
isn't it? Why is Stebie mentioning Air Force?

I didn't mention the Air Force. I mentioned AF MARS.

Do you know where HQ, AF MARS is? (Doh!)

Do you know which agency Air Force MARS belongs to? (Doh!)

Poor lil Stebie doesn't understand that "AF" is a common
abbreviation for AIR FORCE.

I think the Internet needs some kind of yellow highlighter
for the brain-dead readers. :-)

I was a member of USAF MARS at one point.

Alleged member.

An "Assistant" member? Just like an "Assistant NCOIC?" :-)

Stebie has the "proof in his wallet." :-)

Gave everyone here the callsign and dates I was a member.

Alleged member.

Tsk. His "member" needs a little blue pill...?

Do modern - or even older - callbooks include MARS
callsigns?

Stebie will probably babble about "calling the VA" for
"verification" on that. :-)

Your puppetboy asked for
information. That was part of it. Now he's trying to worm his way
out
from under having to actually find out that, yes, Steve was telling
the
truth.

Check your authentic Air Force MARS documentation. The address is on
it. Of course, you didn't know that because you've never had
authentic
Air Force MARS documentation, because you've never been a member of
Air
Force MARS.

You knowledge of any service's MARS communications is grossly lacking.

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Hi, hi!

Stebie has BEEN to Mars? Many times? Probably Seven times?
Hostile planet, but not much Action.

About the best way Stebie could be "in" AF MARS is to have
him stuffed and mounted in a case at the museum-lobby of the
USAF Communications Command at Scott AFB. He could become a
static display. [fits his "static" in here...lots of QRM]

I'll have to go back to www.grunt.com ("Sgt Grit's" store
"If we don't have it, Chesty wouldn't want it...") and see
if they have some authentic Stebie MARS authentications.
QRZ doesn't have his MARS calls. Does Buckmaster?

Maybe the "Tonight Show" with Jay Leno will have him as a
"guest?" Kind of fits in with their "morse code triumphant"
sort of "contest." Hi, hi!

Meanwhile, back to the Extra Double Standard newsgroup where
mighty macho morsemen can call their opponents "jackass" and
"horse's ass" and "penis head" (in Yiddish) but their
opponents must be oh-so-polite and civil back to them. That
kind of talk is "approved" by Jimmie Noserve...

wrote:
From: "bb" on Tues,May 17 2005 4:57 pm

I think the Internet needs some kind of yellow highlighter
for the brain-dead readers.

I am sure your screen has highlighter and "White-Out" both on it,
Lennie.

Gave everyone here the callsign and dates I was a member.

Alleged member.

Tsk. His "member" needs a little blue pill...?

Nope. That would be YOUR problem.

Maybe the "Tonight Show" with Jay Leno will have him as a
"guest?" Kind of fits in with their "morse code triumphant"
sort of "contest."

I was wondering how long it was going to take you to get to
that...

Sucks to have your rants ruined on network TV, doesn't it,
Lennie...?!?!

Meanwhile, back to the Extra Double Standard newsgroup where
mighty macho morsemen can call their opponents "jackass" and
"horse's ass" and "penis head" (in Yiddish) but their
opponents must be oh-so-polite and civil back to them. That
kind of talk is "approved" by Jimmie Noserve...

You got all the "civility" due to you and then some for a long
time, Lennie. You got exactly what you wanted.

This road was paved by you. Enjoy the trip.

You're a liar.

You're a fool.

And yes, you're a putz.

It really is THAT simple.

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
From: "bb" on Tues,May 17 2005 4:57 pm

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Sun,May 15 2005 1:17 am

Chief AF MARS. (Need the address?) Can get you the
address
for
the administrative officer at 1st MAW or MCB camp Butler if
you'd
like.

The USAF Communications Headquarters is at Scott AFB,
isn't it? Why is Stebie mentioning Air Force?

I didn't mention the Air Force. I mentioned AF MARS.

Do you know where HQ, AF MARS is? (Doh!)

Do you know which agency Air Force MARS belongs to? (Doh!)

Poor lil Stebie doesn't understand that "AF" is a common
abbreviation for AIR FORCE.

Steve can't be wrong.

I think the Internet needs some kind of yellow highlighter
for the brain-dead readers. :-)

I was a member of USAF MARS at one point.

Alleged member.

An "Assistant" member? Just like an "Assistant NCOIC?" :-)

Stebie has the "proof in his wallet." :-)

Careful, now. Steve is a Captain in the CAP. He might try to have you
do puh ups.

Gave everyone here the callsign and dates I was a member.

Alleged member.

Tsk. His "member" needs a little blue pill...?

Do modern - or even older - callbooks include MARS
callsigns?

Stebie will probably babble about "calling the VA" for
"verification" on that. :-)

Steve either has documentation or he doesn't. And if he doesn't, his
words come back to haunt him once more. No documentation means you
never did it.

Your puppetboy asked for
information. That was part of it. Now he's trying to worm his
way
out
from under having to actually find out that, yes, Steve was
telling
the
truth.

Check your authentic Air Force MARS documentation. The address is
on
it. Of course, you didn't know that because you've never had
authentic
Air Force MARS documentation, because you've never been a member of
Air
Force MARS.

You knowledge of any service's MARS communications is grossly
lacking.

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Hi, hi!

Stebie has BEEN to Mars? Many times? Probably Seven times?
Hostile planet, but not much Action.

About the best way Stebie could be "in" AF MARS is to have
him stuffed and mounted in a case at the museum-lobby of the
USAF Communications Command at Scott AFB. He could become a
static display. [fits his "static" in here...lots of QRM]

That would make him Ex-Static.

I'll have to go back to www.grunt.com ("Sgt Grit's" store
"If we don't have it, Chesty wouldn't want it...") and see
if they have some authentic Stebie MARS authentications.
QRZ doesn't have his MARS calls. Does Buckmaster?

Wonder what medal in his shoebox was for his AF MARS service?

Maybe the "Tonight Show" with Jay Leno will have him as a
"guest?" Kind of fits in with their "morse code triumphant"
sort of "contest." Hi, hi!

Stupid ham tricks?

Meanwhile, back to the Extra Double Standard newsgroup where
mighty macho morsemen can call their opponents "jackass" and
"horse's ass" and "penis head" (in Yiddish) but their
opponents must be oh-so-polite and civil back to them. That
kind of talk is "approved" by Jimmie Noserve...



Jim served in "other" ways.

"N9OGL" wrote

...MY SITE IS ****...

N9OGL

Yes, it certainly is.

dit dit

de Hans, K0HB

bb wrote:
wrote:

Poor lil Stebie doesn't understand that "AF" is a common
abbreviation for AIR FORCE.

Steve can't be wrong.

Sure he can...and sometimes is...but not this time.

Stebie has the "proof in his wallet." :-)

Careful, now. Steve is a Captain in the CAP. He might try to have
you
do puh ups.

"puh ups"...?!?!

Are you having a hard time finishing what you start, Brain?

Stebie will probably babble about "calling the VA" for
"verification" on that.

Steve either has documentation or he doesn't. And if he doesn't, his
words come back to haunt him once more. No documentation means you
never did it.

No haunting, Brain.

The "haunting", here, is you refusing to act on the information
provided you.

Dates...times...places...callsigns....

You know...those little things called "facts"...(I know that's a
new concept for you...deal with it though...)

Meanwhile, back to the Extra Double Standard newsgroup where
mighty macho morsemen can call their opponents "jackass" and
"horse's ass" and "penis head" (in Yiddish) but their
opponents must be oh-so-polite and civil back to them. That
kind of talk is "approved" by Jimmie Noserve...

Jim served in "other" ways.

You and Lennie brag about having been Veterans, however you seem
to have a problem with understanding exactly what being a veteran is
and what it stands for.

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to have had a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

Guess they shudda consulted with you two first, eh...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

Accually I have remoded it.

Todd N9OGL
THE VOICE OF AMATEUR RADIO
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com/
THE N9OGL BBS
216.176.81.228

N9OGL wrote:
Accually I have remoded it.

"remoded" it...?!?!

What? now it's SSB? ATV...?!?!

It's STILL ####....

Steve, K4YZ

**** you, you ****ing asshole

It's remodeled...I redid he whole thing.

Asshole

Todd N9OGL
THE VOICE OF AMATEUR RADIO
http://n9oglvoice.blogspot.com /
THE N9OGL BBS
216.176.81.228

N9OGL wrote:
#### you, you ####ing asshole

Congratulations. You managed to make a post where the "F" word
was 40% of your vocabulary.

Aren't you proud of yourself...???

Steve, K4YZ

and you still make yourself look like a prick happy??

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:

Poor lil Stebie doesn't understand that "AF" is a common
abbreviation for AIR FORCE.

Steve can't be wrong.

Sure he can...and sometimes is...but not this time.

Yes, this time. Again.

Stebie has the "proof in his wallet." :-)

Careful, now. Steve is a Captain in the CAP. He might try to have
you
do puh ups.

"puh ups"...?!?!

Are you having a hard time finishing what you start, Brain?

I soft-stroked the "s." It taht a Federal Crime? Homosexual
Behavio[u]r?

How's your "rank" holding up?

Stebie will probably babble about "calling the VA" for
"verification" on that.

Steve either has documentation or he doesn't. And if he doesn't,
his
words come back to haunt him once more. No documentation means you
never did it.

No haunting, Brain.

Hi! Then produce your documentation.

The "haunting", here, is you refusing to act on the information
provided you.

I don't act on "hot" tips.

Produce authentic documentation.

Dates...times...places...callsigns....

Yes! Authentic documentation with dates, times, places and names.

Got any?

You know...those little things called "facts"...(I know that's a
new concept for you...deal with it though...)

Exactly!!! Facts. Got any?

Meanwhile, back to the Extra Double Standard newsgroup where
mighty macho morsemen can call their opponents "jackass" and
"horse's ass" and "penis head" (in Yiddish) but their
opponents must be oh-so-polite and civil back to them. That
kind of talk is "approved" by Jimmie Noserve...

Jim served in "other" ways.

You and Lennie brag about having been Veterans, however you seem
to have a problem with understanding exactly what being a veteran is
and what it stands for.

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to have had a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites States
Military. He had other more important things to do like pursue a
degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the military
still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to
WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East."

Guess they shudda consulted with you two first, eh...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services. Tell Jim to let
us know how it's going when he gets there.

From: "bb" on Thurs,May 19 2005 3:05 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:

Poor lil Stebie doesn't understand that "AF" is a common
abbreviation for AIR FORCE.

Steve can't be wrong.

Sure he can...and sometimes is...but not this time.

Yes, this time. Again.

Tsk. I think Stebie done tried to use "AF" meaning
"armed forces." He be confused. Not the first time.

Stebie has the "proof in his wallet." :-)

Careful, now. Steve is a Captain in the CAP. He might try to
have you
do puh ups.

"puh ups"...?!?!

Are you having a hard time finishing what you start, Brain?

I soft-stroked the "s." It taht a Federal Crime? Homosexual
Behavio[u]r?

How's your "rank" holding up?

Stebie is as rank as they come.


Stebie will probably babble about "calling the VA" for
"verification" on that.

Steve either has documentation or he doesn't. And if he doesn't,
his
words come back to haunt him once more. No documentation means
you
never did it.

No haunting, Brain.

Hi! Then produce your documentation.

Tsk. Stebie doesn't have any. Claims, brags, hot air, yes.

NO PROOF.

The "haunting", here, is you refusing to act on the information
provided you.

I don't act on "hot" tips.

Produce authentic documentation.

Stebie no got them. Tsk.

Dates...times...places...callsigns....

Yes! Authentic documentation with dates, times, places and names.

Got any?

He no got.

You know...those little things called "facts"...(I know that's
a
new concept for you...deal with it though...)

Exactly!!! Facts. Got any?

No proof. Zero. Zip. Nada.

Meanwhile, back to the Extra Double Standard newsgroup where
mighty macho morsemen can call their opponents "jackass" and
"horse's ass" and "penis head" (in Yiddish) but their
opponents must be oh-so-polite and civil back to them. That
kind of talk is "approved" by Jimmie Noserve...

Jim served in "other" ways.

You and Lennie brag about having been Veterans, however you seem
to have a problem with understanding exactly what being a veteran is
and what it stands for.

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to have had
a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

In all of Title 47 C.F.R., the term "service" is a regulatory
one denoting the type and kind of radio activity being
regulated. Stebie doesn't understand that. He thinks that
the amateur service is some kind of "national service" or
"service to the country." :-)

In that case, the Citizens Band Radio SERVICE will have all radio
amateurs outnumbered by a large ratio. :-)

Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites States
Military. He had other more important things to do like pursue a
degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the military
still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to
WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East."

Doesn't matter. Jimmie Noserve is an EXPERT on the military.
He KNOWS how military men feel/act/etc. Jimmie can "correct"
any veterans' "mistakes." He's read several books on the subject...

Guess they shudda consulted with you two first, eh...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services. Tell Jim to
let
us know how it's going when he gets there.

Now THAT will be INTERESTING! :-)

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to have had
a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites States
Military. He had other more important things to do like pursue a
degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the military
still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to
WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East."

Guess they shudda consulted with you two first, eh...?!?!

I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services.

No, you're not

Tell Jim to let
us know how it's going when he gets there.

You swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United
States.

Obviously you have a problem, however, with people who live their
lives within that same Constitution.

So...was your Oath as a member of the Armed Forces just some words
you recited in order to get a federal job? Sure looks that way.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to have
had
a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites States
Military. He had other more important things to do like pursue a
degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the
military
still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to
WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East."

Guess they shudda consulted with you two first, eh...?!?!

I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services.

No, you're not

I must be. I volunteered. I kept volunteering.

Tell Jim to let
us know how it's going when he gets there.

You swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United
States.

Against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Obviously you have a problem, however, with people who live
their
lives within that same Constitution.

Explain. Hey, while you're at it, why don't you produce authentic
documentation of your alleged "A" NCOIC MARS/Okinawa.

So...was your Oath as a member of the Armed Forces just some
words
you recited in order to get a federal job? Sure looks that way.

Steve, K4YZ

I'm offended that Jim claimed "service in other ways." What other ways?

wrote:
From: "bb" on Thurs,May 19 2005 3:05 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:

Poor lil Stebie doesn't understand that "AF" is a common
abbreviation for AIR FORCE.

Steve can't be wrong.

Sure he can...and sometimes is...but not this time.

Yes, this time. Again.

Tsk. I think Stebie done tried to use "AF" meaning
"armed forces." He be confused. Not the first time.

Stebie has the "proof in his wallet." :-)

Careful, now. Steve is a Captain in the CAP. He might try to
have you
do puh ups.

"puh ups"...?!?!

Are you having a hard time finishing what you start, Brain?

I soft-stroked the "s." It taht a Federal Crime? Homosexual
Behavio[u]r?

How's your "rank" holding up?

Stebie is as rank as they come.

Stinks like a lying sack of excrement.

Stebie will probably babble about "calling the VA" for
"verification" on that.

Steve either has documentation or he doesn't. And if he
doesn't,
his
words come back to haunt him once more. No documentation means
you
never did it.

No haunting, Brain.

Hi! Then produce your documentation.

Tsk. Stebie doesn't have any. Claims, brags, hot air, yes.

NO PROOF.

Even if his references could confirm his claims, it's likely they
wouldn't. There's a reason he was the "A" NCOIC.

The "haunting", here, is you refusing to act on the
information
provided you.

I don't act on "hot" tips.

Produce authentic documentation.

Stebie no got them. Tsk.

Hmmmm? No docs = lies. His rules, his logic, his embarassment.

Dates...times...places...callsigns....

Yes! Authentic documentation with dates, times, places and names.

Got any?

He no got.

Then he one sorry sack of excrement. Stinking to high heaven.

You know...those little things called "facts"...(I know
that's
a
new concept for you...deal with it though...)

Exactly!!! Facts. Got any?

No proof. Zero. Zip. Nada.

That's a problem. That's a huge problem, ...an insurmountable problem.

Just what does he think we'll accept without authentic documentation???

Meanwhile, back to the Extra Double Standard newsgroup
where
mighty macho morsemen can call their opponents "jackass"
and
"horse's ass" and "penis head" (in Yiddish) but their
opponents must be oh-so-polite and civil back to them.
That
kind of talk is "approved" by Jimmie Noserve...

Jim served in "other" ways.

You and Lennie brag about having been Veterans, however you
seem
to have a problem with understanding exactly what being a veteran
is
and what it stands for.

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to have
had
a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

In all of Title 47 C.F.R., the term "service" is a regulatory
one denoting the type and kind of radio activity being
regulated. Stebie doesn't understand that. He thinks that
the amateur service is some kind of "national service" or
"service to the country." :-)

In that case, the Citizens Band Radio SERVICE will have all radio
amateurs outnumbered by a large ratio. :-)

He's talking about the guys driving 1982 Subaru station wagons with
"save da mediteranean fruit fly" and rainbow bumper stickers.

Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites States
Military. He had other more important things to do like pursue a
degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the
military
still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to
WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East."

Doesn't matter. Jimmie Noserve is an EXPERT on the military.
He KNOWS how military men feel/act/etc. Jimmie can "correct"
any veterans' "mistakes." He's read several books on the
subject...

Jimmy is Mr. Fiction. "No Experience = Shut-Up" according to da double
standard.

Guess they shudda consulted with you two first, eh...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services. Tell Jim to
let
us know how it's going when he gets there.

Now THAT will be INTERESTING! :-)



Highly, highly unlikely. Guys like Jim have no problem letting guys
like you, me, and Steve take the risks. They set way, way back and
make the calls.

Later on you learn that they gave blood at the ARC Bloodmobile on the
third Thursday and are very, very good with it all. They "served" in
other ways. Cheers with a little glass of OJ. Hi!

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to have
had
a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites States
Military. He had other more important things to do like pursue a
degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the
military
still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to
WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East."

Guess they shudda consulted with you two first, eh...?!?!

I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services.

No, you're not

I must be. I volunteered. I kept volunteering.

No...you keep "volunteering" to collect a paycheck.

You quite obviously have a problem with the society that the
Constitution you alleged to support and defend provides.

Tell Jim to let
us know how it's going when he gets there.

You swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United
States.

Against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Yep. However there's no "enemies" of the Constitution here...

Obviously you have a problem, however, with people who live
their
lives within that same Constitution.

Explain.

No explanation is necessary. Your on-going support of Lennie's
cowardly "Jimmie Noserve"'s rants is evidence enough.

Hey, while you're at it, why don't you produce authentic
documentation of your alleged "A" NCOIC MARS/Okinawa.

Right after we get some of the information we've been asking YOU
for for YEARS...

So...was your Oath as a member of the Armed Forces just some
words
you recited in order to get a federal job? Sure looks that way.

I'm offended that Jim claimed "service in other ways." What other
ways?

Why would you expect Jim to answer such an insulting question when
YOU have overtly refused to answer questions he's put to you for YEARS,
Brain?

(Rhetorical question...we know the answer...you're a coward...)

Steve, K4YZ

bb wrote:
wrote:

Stebie is as rank as they come.

Stinks like a lying sack of excrement.

I smell like you?

Unlikely.

Even if his references could confirm his claims, it's likely they
wouldn't. There's a reason he was the "A" NCOIC.

Only one big one...being three paygrades junior to the guy who was
THE NCOIC.

Stebie no got them. Tsk.

Hmmmm? No docs = lies. His rules, his logic, his embarassment.

I'm not the embarrassed one here, Brain.

In case you weren't paying attention, only Todd falls for your
misdirects, and that's because he's a developmentally delayed adult.

Dates...times...places...callsigns....

Yes! Authentic documentation with dates, times, places and names.

Got any?

He no got.

Then he one sorry sack of excrement. Stinking to high heaven.

I smell like you?

Doesn't matter. Jimmie Noserve is an EXPERT on the military.
He KNOWS how military men feel/act/etc. Jimmie can "correct"
any veterans' "mistakes." He's read several books on the
subject...

Jimmy is Mr. Fiction. "No Experience = Shut-Up" according to da
double
standard.

So far, nothing Jim has stated has been incorrect. He's corrected
you AND Lennie on numerous military issues, communications and
otherwise, and has yet to be shown to be wrong.

Highly, highly unlikely. Guys like Jim have no problem letting guys
like you, me, and Steve take the risks. They set way, way back and
make the calls.

Don't try to lump yourself in with me, Brain. Most of my time in
the USMC was crewing the MC version of the Pave Low (CH53A and D), a
lot of which got me put in places I was not real happy to be in.

You and Lennie got to play rear area office clerk for most of your
tours. I give you some added credit for your Somalia tour, your
misrepresentation of your Amateur Radio exploits notwithstanding, but
not by much.

Later on you learn that they gave blood at the ARC Bloodmobile on the
third Thursday and are very, very good with it all. They "served" in
other ways. Cheers with a little glass of OJ.

I lucked out. The only "injury" I suffered in the field was some
sand that got in under my visor and flight glasses and irritated the
be-jeebers out of me. Some of my colleagues weren't so lucky. That
bloodmobile donation you just made fun of was their ticket home alive
instead of in a bag.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to
have
had
a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites
States
Military. He had other more important things to do like pursue
a
degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the
military
still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to
WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East."

Guess they shudda consulted with you two first,
eh...?!?!

I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services.

No, you're not

I must be. I volunteered. I kept volunteering.

No...you keep "volunteering" to collect a paycheck.

Hi! I suppose you wrote "VOID" across your paychecks and sent them
back?

You quite obviously have a problem with the society that the
Constitution you alleged to support and defend provides.

How so?

Tell Jim to let
us know how it's going when he gets there.

You swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the
United
States.

Against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Yep. However there's no "enemies" of the Constitution here...

So why are you bringing up the defense of the Constitution here?

You really ought to get your stuff in one sock before starting off on a
new rant tangent.

Obviously you have a problem, however, with people who live
their
lives within that same Constitution.

Explain.

No explanation is necessary. Your on-going support of Lennie's
cowardly "Jimmie Noserve"'s rants is evidence enough.

You're Quitevague about your newest accusations. Please be more
specific.

Hey, while you're at it, why don't you produce authentic
documentation of your alleged "A" NCOIC MARS/Okinawa.

Right after we get some of the information we've been asking YOU
for for YEARS...

So then, you really are a liar. You're the very thing you claim of
everyone else.

So...was your Oath as a member of the Armed Forces just some
words
you recited in order to get a federal job? Sure looks that way.

I'm offended that Jim claimed "service in other ways." What other
ways?

Why would you expect Jim to answer such an insulting question
when
YOU have overtly refused to answer questions he's put to you for
YEARS,
Brain?

Why wouldn't he? He has no problem insulting others.

(Rhetorical question...we know the answer...you're a coward...)

Hi, hi! That's rich coming from the guy who couldn't make Dayton to
see me. Seven hostile actions? Hi!

So is Jim checking out the governments needs over in the desert? He
would be drawing a nice, tax-free paycheck.

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:

Doesn't matter. Jimmie Noserve is an EXPERT on the military.
He KNOWS how military men feel/act/etc. Jimmie can "correct"
any veterans' "mistakes." He's read several books on the
subject...

Jimmy is Mr. Fiction. "No Experience = Shut-Up" according to da
double
standard.

So far, nothing Jim has stated has been incorrect.

Hi! Silly Gunny has his blinders on.

Jim constantly makes statements on things which he has no experience
in. Jim constantly tells others to be silent on things which they have
little or no experience in. That is a clear double-standard. That you
won't see it is telling.

He's corrected
you AND Lennie on numerous military issues, communications and
otherwise, and has yet to be shown to be wrong.

I recall you being corrected on military and MARS communications
issues. Often.

Highly, highly unlikely. Guys like Jim have no problem letting
guys
like you, me, and Steve take the risks. They set way, way back and
make the calls.

Don't try to lump yourself in with me, Brain. Most of my time
in
the USMC was crewing the MC version of the Pave Low (CH53A and D), a
lot of which got me put in places I was not real happy to be in.

The Reluctant Marine! Figures. Even reluctant people serve. So how
did Jim serve in other way?

You and Lennie got to play rear area office clerk for most of
your
tours. I give you some added credit for your Somalia tour, your
misrepresentation of your Amateur Radio exploits notwithstanding, but
not by much.

You don't "give" me anything. My service is not up for your approval.

Later on you learn that they gave blood at the ARC Bloodmobile on
the
third Thursday and are very, very good with it all. They "served"
in
other ways. Cheers with a little glass of OJ.

I lucked out. The only "injury" I suffered in the field was
some
sand that got in under my visor and flight glasses and irritated the
be-jeebers out of me.

So how did you malinger your way into a medical discharge requiring
rehabilitative therapy?

Some of my colleagues weren't so lucky. That
bloodmobile donation you just made fun of was their ticket home alive
instead of in a bag.

Steve, K4YZ

People everywhere are lucky because others give blood and organ tissue.


But Jim says he "served in other ways." What ways?

Some of my colleagues weren't so lucky. That
bloodmobile donation you just made fun of was their ticket home alive
instead of in a bag.

Steve, K4YZ

People everywhere are lucky because others give blood and organ tissue.


But Jim says he "served in other ways." What ways?

..

Give it a rest, old timer. What Steve (or any other person) did or did not
do in service to this country is none of your business.
Nobody owes you an answer to anything.

It is probably just as well that Steve didn't bump into you at Dayton. You
would have had to walk all the way back to your car to change your Relys.

From: "bb" on Sat,May 21 2005 3:59 pm

wrote:
From: "bb" on Thurs,May 19 2005 3:05 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:



Stebie will probably babble about "calling the VA" for
"verification" on that.

Steve either has documentation or he doesn't. And if he
doesn't, his
words come back to haunt him once more. No documentation means
you
never did it.

No haunting, Brain.

Hi! Then produce your documentation.

Tsk. Stebie doesn't have any. Claims, brags, hot air, yes.

NO PROOF.

Even if his references could confirm his claims, it's likely they
wouldn't. There's a reason he was the "A" NCOIC.

Brian, it doesn't matter in HERE.

Stebie will "come back" with "you are LYING" and make some kind of
dire implication "to reveal all to your wife" or some other
nonsense and just ignore production of actual proof. Stebie will
name-call, insult, denigrate anyone demanding that HE produce any
proof and that will be that. It's a standard Bluff.


The "haunting", here, is you refusing to act on the
information
provided you.

I don't act on "hot" tips.

Produce authentic documentation.

Stebie no got them. Tsk.

Hmmmm? No docs = lies. His rules, his logic, his embarassment.

Mere "details," Brian. Those are all "in his wallet" and "he
doesn't
have to show them" to anybody. :-)


Dates...times...places...callsigns....

Yes! Authentic documentation with dates, times, places and names.

Got any?

He no got.

Then he one sorry sack of excrement. Stinking to high heaven.

Not in Stebieland. He be perfumed there. :-)


You know...those little things called "facts"...(I know
that's a
new concept for you...deal with it though...)

Exactly!!! Facts. Got any?

No proof. Zero. Zip. Nada.

That's a problem. That's a huge problem, ...an insurmountable
problem.

Just what does he think we'll accept without authentic
documentation???

His "word!" insert several lines of hyena laffing in here

:-)


Jim served in "other" ways.

You and Lennie brag about having been Veterans, however you
seem
to have a problem with understanding exactly what being a veteran
is
and what it stands for.

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to have
had a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

In all of Title 47 C.F.R., the term "service" is a regulatory
one denoting the type and kind of radio activity being
regulated. Stebie doesn't understand that. He thinks that
the amateur service is some kind of "national service" or
"service to the country." :-)

In that case, the Citizens Band Radio SERVICE will have all radio
amateurs outnumbered by a large ratio. :-)

He's talking about the guys driving 1982 Subaru station wagons with
"save da mediteranean fruit fly" and rainbow bumper stickers.

I think that Stebie's fanciful imagination was working overtime when
he got to the "presidential service" bit! :-)

Since FDR's time, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter,
Reagan, Nixon, Ford, and G.H.W. Bush *ALL* served in the U.S.
military
but long before Stebie's alleged USMC "career." That's NINE U.S.
Presidents. I don't think any one of them had an amateur radio
license!

Clinton did NOT serve IN the U.S. military and Dubya never got
beyond the Air Guard. I don't think either one of them had an
amateur radio license. But Stebie gots an Extra AMATEUR license
so he is "comparable" in "service" to at least NINE U.S.
Presidents!!!

Geezus H. Cottonpicker, Stebie done stretched things out so FAR
that his comparison rubber BROKE. Stebie has SNAPPED.

This Memorial Day I'll do what I think on HONORING the veterans
of the United States military. You have and I have. I will
mention Cpl Elmer Hardy and Capt Jim Tomlinson, both gone
suddenly on the 1st of July, 1950, both members of *MY* Signal
Battalion (the one I served in). I will HONOR them and the
other 18 members of MY Battalion who lost their lives in the
same crash in Korea...sent there from the "rear-area" of Japan
by Gen MacArthur to improve communications after the North
Koreans invaded South Korea.

Stebie is going to say I "dishonor" them by mentioning them.
He has stated that before and that is just as damnably FALSE
as anything he has ever babbled. Normally I would have told
Stebie ("Mr. Seven Hostile Actions") to Go To Hell. He is
already there. Scroom.

Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites States
Military. He had other more important things to do like pursue a
degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the
military
still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to
WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East."

Doesn't matter. Jimmie Noserve is an EXPERT on the military.
He KNOWS how military men feel/act/etc. Jimmie can "correct"
any veterans' "mistakes." He's read several books on the
subject...

Jimmy is Mr. Fiction. "No Experience = Shut-Up" according to da
double
standard.

Jimmie Noserve never worked any REAL radio communications beyond
amateur hobby stuff. He never took any Oath on being inducted
and never even got to "dine with the Captain" (on an aircraft
carrier) and being "served by drudges." He never ever had any
worries that anyone on the "other side" would harm his precious
being. He could sit back and laff and laff at the "errors" of
getting wrong USSR aircraft nomenclature and poke fun at no-coders
doing REAL COMMUNICATIONS just a few flying hours away from
hostiles.


I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services. Tell Jim to
let
us know how it's going when he gets there.

Now THAT will be INTERESTING! :-)

Highly, highly unlikely. Guys like Jim have no problem letting guys
like you, me, and Steve take the risks. They set way, way back and
make the calls.

They are the "elite" and shouldn't risk their precious bodies in
any way. We are the "drudges" that Kellie talks about, the lower
class, not near as ELITE as the No-Serves.

Later on you learn that they gave blood at the ARC Bloodmobile on the
third Thursday and are very, very good with it all. They "served" in
other ways. Cheers with a little glass of OJ. Hi!

I'll follow "Kizzie's salute" and spit in THEIR O.J. Foggem!

A respectful salute to you, Brian, as one veteran to another.

From: "bb" on Sat,May 21 2005 5:04 pm

wrote:
wrote:
For years and years the ARRL has emphasized morsemanship
over and above all other skills in amateur radio.

How, Len?

Let's look at some examples...

Policy:

In 1953, when the FCC opened all amateur operating privileges to all
US
radio amateurs except Novices and Technicians, ARRL did not
try to require more code testing for full privileges.

Their very, very last effort at leadership. Fifty two years ago.

HALF A FRIGGIN LIFETIME AGO FOR RADIO EXPERIMENTORS!!! Idiot!

Jimmie was THERE...in his heart. :-)

Gosh and gee-whilikers...in 1953 I was doing HF communications
while in the U.S. Army and didn't have to know a thing about
morse code. Reason is probably that NONE of the three dozen
high power transmitters at one station (only the 3rd largest in
the Army network) used any morse code. NONE of the personnel
at that station were required to know morse code to operate
all those transmitters (minimum 1 KW RF out, maximum 15 KW
but later increased to 40 KW). HF bands, 24/7 operations,
nearly a quarter million messages handled each month.


In 1963, in its original "incentive licensing" proposal to FCC, ARRL
proposed that full privileges be available only to Advanced and
Extra
licensees, and that the Advanced be reopened to new issues. This
meant
that full priviliges would require more written testing but not more
code testing.

I advocate that full privs be established for 90WPM tested amateurs.
Got any??? Privs for those not able to achieve 90WPM will be
reassigned to the BPL bands. Idiot!

As Jimmie Noserve likes to put it, "that's simply 'untrue'." :-)

Brian, you have to understand that Jimmie is the Compleat
(amateur) Manchurian Candidate. Fully brainwashed into thinking
that the ARRL is the holy grail of "truth" and all good works.

In 1990, ARRL supported the creation of a nocodetest amateur radio
license.

Why not 1987??? Idiot!

Where was the ARRL's leadership when the FCC made the "Novice
Enhancement?" Why did the FCC have to go it alone without the ARRL's
"""Leadership???""" Extra-wipe! Idiot!

Jimmie is WRONG BY OMISSION. According to all the documents
PRIOR to the final decision on FCC 90-53, the ARRL was
AGAINST that. The ARRL only supported the final R&O on the
creation of the no-code-test Technician class AFTER THE FACT.

Jimmie just can't bring himself to admit that many OTHER
parties were trying to cancel the code test PRIOR to 1990.
Some time spent in the FCC Reading Room of the correspondence
PRIOR to 1990 will show enough support for No-Code-Test that
the FCC was lobbied into the 90-53 issuance.

Once the NO-CODE-TEST Technician class was established, the
ARRL had no other choice to "support" it...it would have been
politically destructive to the League to oppose it AFTER THE
FACT.

Jimmie wants to OMIT certain details to show that the ARRL is
in the "leadership." It isn't. The ARRL still hasn't gotten
a membership larger than a quarter of all licensed U.S.
radio amateurs.

The FASTEST GROWING CLASS in U.S. amateur radio - since 1991 -
is that very same NO-CODE-TEST Technician class. NO OTHER
class has grown so large, so quickly, in the history of
amateur radio as regulated by the FCC since 1934.

Jimmie is going to trot out his outworn cliches' and other
statements (nearly all sinning by omission of details) and
state "that is simply wrong." :-) He can't think for
himself anymore in amateur radio matters, apparently. He
is one of the number-one bunting putter-upper and flag
waver for the League. The ARRL can do NO wrong in his eyes.

N2EY is so full of EXTRA excrement that I just can't allow the rest of
his original post to be quoted. You offend thinking people unlike any
"off color" callsign that you would care to strike.

In my view, Jimmie is so brainwashed that he can't help himself.
He, like Stebie da Avenging Angle of Dearth, is into such a
fantasy that Jimmie really thinks what he writes is "truth"
and anything contrary is "untrue." Jimmie just can't conceive
of his words being in error, therefore he speaks "truth."

As to the "off-color callsign" (Kim's vanity call), that's just
his personal morality thing. It's almost like he took Vows and
was ordained a Priest in the Holy Orders of the Church of
St. Hiram...of the Latter-Day Radio Saints? Or was it
Former-Day Radio Saints? Must be that for his wanting to
cite all those "leadership" actions happening during and
before he was born. Another amateur "role-model" to emulate
on seeking the "highest goals" in amateur radio...complete
Nirvana in morsemanship. Ho hum.

From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:29 am

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:

Doesn't matter. Jimmie Noserve is an EXPERT on the military.
He KNOWS how military men feel/act/etc. Jimmie can "correct"
any veterans' "mistakes." He's read several books on the
subject...

Jimmy is Mr. Fiction. "No Experience = Shut-Up" according to da
double
standard.

So far, nothing Jim has stated has been incorrect.

Hi! Silly Gunny has his blinders on.

Well I sort of thought those blinder improved Stebie's
looks...kind of softened the fierce scowl he always shows
in pictures. [I do wish he would have a dentist work over
his teeth so he could smile in those photos...]

Jim constantly makes statements on things which he has no experience
in. Jim constantly tells others to be silent on things which they
have
little or no experience in. That is a clear double-standard. That
you
won't see it is telling.

Tsk. Jimmie has played with some surplus military radios
and suddenly becomes "expert" enough to "correct" others who
have worked with them...like AN/PRC-104s and AN/PRC-119s.

Jimmie made a bunch of "guru observations" of the aerospace
business a year or so ago, yet he's not told of which
companies those were...or the government branch where he was
employed as a "space expert."

Jimmie claims to be a "radio manufacturer" (!) yet there is
no record of such a business in the business journals. He
DID show pictures of a klugy vacuum tube transmitter that was
supposed to be "state of the art"...and built in the 1990s.

He's corrected
you AND Lennie on numerous military issues, communications and
otherwise, and has yet to be shown to be wrong.

I recall you being corrected on military and MARS communications
issues. Often.

Tsk. Again, it's a point-of-view. To Stebie he NEVER makes
mistakes. [he won't admit to such at any rate...]

Everyone ELSE LIES if they disagree with heroic Stebie.


Highly, highly unlikely. Guys like Jim have no problem letting
guys
like you, me, and Steve take the risks. They set way, way back
and
make the calls.

Don't try to lump yourself in with me, Brain. Most of my time
in
the USMC was crewing the MC version of the Pave Low (CH53A and D), a
lot of which got me put in places I was not real happy to be in.

The Reluctant Marine! Figures. Even reluctant people serve. So how
did Jim serve in other way?

Tsk. Stebie was GROUND crew.

Tsk, tsk, Stebie "wasn't real happy to be..." Poor baby.

Wow, "Pave Low!" Stebie sounds like he was reading old
Aviation Week & Space Technology magazines that are in
the CAP orderly room? :-) HELICOPTER. Wings rotate.

You and Lennie got to play rear area office clerk for most of
your
tours. I give you some added credit for your Somalia tour, your
misrepresentation of your Amateur Radio exploits notwithstanding,
but
not by much.

You don't "give" me anything. My service is not up for your approval.

Nor mine. I went where I was assigned. Anyone can see where at:

http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history/equipment

Jimmie Noserve never understood that a while ago. He thought
anyone could go on up to the "front lines" and "fight" whenever
they wanted to. [he must see a lot of movies...]


Later on you learn that they gave blood at the ARC Bloodmobile on
the
third Thursday and are very, very good with it all. They "served"
in
other ways. Cheers with a little glass of OJ.

I lucked out. The only "injury" I suffered in the field was
some
sand that got in under my visor and flight glasses and irritated the
be-jeebers out of me.

So how did you malinger your way into a medical discharge requiring
rehabilitative therapy?

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Stebie SLIPPED UP in his story generation!

This casts a great lot of DOUBT on his "medical discharge"
claims!

Of course, "medical discharge" can also be for PSYCHIATRIC
reasons.

Some of my colleagues weren't so lucky. That
bloodmobile donation you just made fun of was their ticket home
alive
instead of in a bag.

"Colleagues?!?" GROUND crew wre exposed to "hostile fire?"

People everywhere are lucky because others give blood and organ
tissue.

True enough.


But Jim says he "served in other ways." What ways?

I'm wondering the same thing...but will never get Jimmie to tell
what it is. shrug

From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:13 am

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to
have had a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites
States
Military. He had other more important things to do like
pursue a
degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the
military
still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to
WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East."

Guess they shudda consulted with you two first,
eh...?!?!

I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services.

No, you're not

I must be. I volunteered. I kept volunteering.

No...you keep "volunteering" to collect a paycheck.

Hi! I suppose you wrote "VOID" across your paychecks and sent them
back?

He probably sent them all to the ARRL Truss Fund. :-)

I wonder if Stebie has bothered to study recent USA history?
He left out FOUR Presidents who served in the military since
FDR...and I'm not counting Dubya.

You quite obviously have a problem with the society that the
Constitution you alleged to support and defend provides.

How so?

Somebody ought to break the news to Stebie, might as well be
me...

STEBIE, NOW HEAR THIS...

NO CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES ACKNOWLEDGES YOU AS EMPEROR,
LEADER, PLENTY-POTENT-ATE, OR EVEN "ANCOIC" OF ANYONE ELSE.

CLIK

Poor fella thinks the Constitution of the USA has some kind of
paragraph saying "everyone has to abide by this wanna-be Dill
Sergeant (with the pursed, pickled lips and sour disposition).

Tell Jim to let
us know how it's going when he gets there.

You swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the
United
States.

Against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Yep. However there's no "enemies" of the Constitution here...

So why are you bringing up the defense of the Constitution here?

Sorry, Brian, Stebie IS the Constitution! Hi, hi!

You really ought to get your stuff in one sock before starting off on
a
new rant tangent.

Looks like an internal battle among his personalities...one shouted
out of turn...

Obviously you have a problem, however, with people who live
their
lives within that same Constitution.

Explain.

No explanation is necessary. Your on-going support of Lennie's
cowardly "Jimmie Noserve"'s rants is evidence enough.

You're Quitevague about your newest accusations. Please be more
specific.

Tsk. Stebie IS the Constitution! :-)

Saying anything against Stebie is Sedition, Treason Against
The State!!!

Hey, while you're at it, why don't you produce authentic
documentation of your alleged "A" NCOIC MARS/Okinawa.

Right after we get some of the information we've been asking
YOU
for for YEARS...

So then, you really are a liar. You're the very thing you claim of
everyone else.

Ah, not quite from Stebie's point of view. In his distorted view
Stebie is "always truthful" but everyone who doesn't like him is
a "LIAR," "deceitful," "hates ham radio," and/or has underarm odor.


So...was your Oath as a member of the Armed Forces just
some words
you recited in order to get a federal job? Sure looks that way.

I'm offended that Jim claimed "service in other ways." What other
ways?

Why would you expect Jim to answer such an insulting question
when
YOU have overtly refused to answer questions he's put to you for
YEARS,
Brain?

Why wouldn't he? He has no problem insulting others.

Tsk, now Jimmie Noserve is going to be furious! Jimmie "NEVER"
"insults" anyone...all he does is "point out mistakes" that
"others do." :-)

(Rhetorical question...we know the answer...you're a coward...)

Hi, hi! That's rich coming from the guy who couldn't make Dayton to
see me. Seven hostile actions? Hi!

Tsk. Readers are still unaware of Stebie's mighty warrior acts
WHEN and WHERE of those "seven hostile actions!"

Maybe they were "special ops" and veddy, veddy "secret" that
Stebie can't reveal? :-)

[gosh, maybe we can hear one of his "HALO Drop" stories?]

So is Jim checking out the governments needs over in the desert? He
would be drawing a nice, tax-free paycheck.

Jimmie is "serving in other ways" by defending the Constitution
of the ARRL...against all enemies, especially the domestic
no-coders. Plus he is probably training for another marathon,
another "service for his country." Hi, hi!

That and keeping his Time Machine running so he can jump back
to times when Kode was King in raddio. "Important national
service," you bet! :-)

insert eight lines of all-caps hyena laghter here

From: "K4YZ" on Sun,May 22 2005 2:53 am

bb wrote:
wrote:


Don't try to lump yourself in with me, Brain. Most of my time in
the USMC was crewing the MC version of the Pave Low (CH53A and D), a
lot of which got me put in places I was not real happy to be in.

Whoa, there, "SEA STALLION."

The CH-53A to CH-53D are called "Sea Stallion," NOT "Pave Low."
CH-53E is called "Super Sea Stallion."

The "Pave Low" is the MH-53E through O suffix, operated mostly
by the USAF. More specifially "Pave Low II" to "Pave Low VI."

The "CH" in the type designation stands for Cargo, Helicopter.

The CH-53A through CH-53D are CARGO HAULERS.

Some of the MH-53s are into special ops. But, the Sea Stallion
is basically a CARGO HAULER, first operational in 1966.

Took only a few minutes on the Internet to check that out.

Now, heroic "seven hostile actions" veteran, what exactly ARE
you trying to foist over on everyone with a CARGO HAULER, and
whatinhell does that have to do with AMATEUR RADIO?!?!?

As usual, the "seven hotile actions" hero is running another
reputation SCAM on everyone. Significant OMISSIONS of information
along with an outright LIE on aircraft names versus type number.

If you are going to LIE, BLUFF, SCAM, try to get your military
nomenclature CORRECT. You did NOT do so! Stand down.

That is all. Dismissed.

"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in order to "win an argument." "

wrote:

He could sit back and laff and laff at the "errors" of
getting wrong USSR aircraft nomenclature

Do you mean this sort of thing, Len?

Are you admitting you made mistakes?

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Jimmie got as far as looking up Bear bombers in some book.

Naw, just the Internet. Found out they weren't a threat to Len when
he
was in Japan.

Sunuvagun!

Tsk. You seem to be saying there were NO Soviet bombers in
range of Japan in the 1950s?

That's wrong (again), Leonard. He is saying that Soviet "Bear"
bombers
could not have been a threat to you during your military service in
Japan, despite what you indicated here.

Here's exactly what Len wrote about "Bear" bombers:

From: Len Over 21 )
Subject: 34 Years Ago Today
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Date: 2002-12-08 21:01:08 PST

"The distance between Chongjin, North Korea and Tokyo (where
I was assigned) is about 500 air miles. The distance between
Vladivostok, USSR, was about the same distance. That's about
an hour's flight in a Bear (NATO name for a Soviet bomber). Less
time of flight now with jet turbine aircraft."

Note that Len doesn't actually say there were any Bear bombers in
Vladivostok
or Chongjin at the time, or that he ever saw any, etc. But the
implication that
he was in some sort of imminent danger from them is clear.

Here's what I wrote in response:


I think you missed some relevant points, Dave. Len's reference to the
"Bear" bomber might lead the unsuspecting to think he was in some sort
of danger from them while in Japan. However:

- The airline distance from Chongjin, North Korea to Tokyo is at least
670 statute miles. The distance from Vladivostok to Tokyo is 663
statute
miles. (Source: "Esso War Map III, Featuring The Pacific Theater",
printed 1944).

- For interesting info on the Tupolev TU-95, and its variants, known
to NATO as the "Bear", see:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/bomber/tu-95.htm

which tells us that:

- Development of the TU-95/"Bear" began in June, 1951.

- First flight of the first prototype, November, 1952.

- Production began January, 1956.

- First deployment August, 1957.

- Four turboprop engines driving counterrotating propellers.
"Turboprop" refers to jet turbine engines driving propellers.

- Len left Japan before any TU-95s were deployed.

Therefore, they were no threat at all to him when he was in Japan.
Also, the
distances and flight times were greater than he stated.

As with your well known
"Sphincter Post", it leads some of us to question your character.

It just leads me to question Len's grasp of objective reality.

What's curious about the Sphincter Post is that it's a direct insult to
the
military service of a member of the Coast Guard, who served as a
radioman in
Hawaii and who described some experiences while serving. Yet Len was
never in
the Coast Guard and never did the kind of radio operating he
criticizes.

More telling, however, is Len's classic "Feldwebel Post" in which he
told you
(Dave) to "shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel".

In just one short sentence, Len manages to violate Godwin's Law, insult
a
branch of the US military, attempt to deny someone their First
Amendment
rights, uses a mild profanity, tries to act as the moderator of an
unmoderated
newsgroup, and arguably makes an ethnic slur in the mix.

As we often say where I work:

"Everybody's good at *something*.

The bile on rrap comes from the three-way Steve/Len/Wiliam whizzing
contest. You all must get something from it, because you sure put a
lot of effort into it.

Tsk. Rev. Jim is readying another Sermon on the Antenna Mount?

Jim states a fact. Don't you have an acceptable response?

Acceptable to whom? Len sees nothing unacceptable in his behavior, but
finds
the behavior of certain others to be unacceptable to him. In the above
example,
it is perfectly acceptable (to Len) for him to imply that he was in
constant,
imminent danger from TU-95s while he was in Japan, but completely
unacceptable
for me to point out that there were no TU-95s deployed anywhere until
after he
left.

Rev. Jim "puts a lot of effort" into making SURE that all those
he thinks need "corrections" get those "corrections!" QED.

Takes very little effort on my part. Len makes so many mistakes here
that I
don't try to correct all of them.

What has that to do with your whizzing contest?

Nothing.

btw, Len, a little googling turned up the fun fact that Steve began
calling you a putz back on August 6, 1999 - if not earlier. Of
course
you had previously made a habit of calling him "nursie" and other
names, and referring to him by the wrong gender.

Tsk. You are still being Judge and Jury via Google, aintfcha?

:-)

Jim is? Not at all, Leonard. Your archived words and the dates on
which you posted them are archived. It is proof of your actions. In
this case, things didn't happen the way you claim they did.

When Rev. Jim runs out of arguments in the present, he MUST
resort to Googling to "prove" something.

Len constantly rehashes the past, then is angered by and abusive of
those who
present conflicting information disproving his assertions.

Most importantly, Len cannot seem to get Steve to stop calling him a
putz.

...and it looks like the Google archives of newsgroup posts did just
that. The archive seems to prove that version of events is not
correct.

Which is why Len switches to name-calling and excessive emoticons. He's
been
shown to be mistaken, which is simply unacceptable.

Jimmie thinks he can "win" some past arguments by repeating and
rehashing OLD ones?

The facts speak for themselves.

When you start the "Jimmie" stuff, it is obvious that he has zapped
you
good. You made a recent statement and issued it as a factual account
of
something which took place. The trouble is, the Google archives say
otherwise.

The amusing part is that Len talks about "the past" more than anyone
else here,
then gets angry when his version of events is shown to be somewhat
unreliable
or incomplete (to put it mildly).

Of course...if for no other reason that Jimmie
Must Be Right in his own mind. Subject itself be damned,
concentrate
on defaming the opponent in order to "win." Tsk.

Posting of facts is "defaming the opponent"?

Diversion on your part. If you didn't want to be batted around on
this
issue, you could have refrained from, "Well, HE started it".

Perhaps you need to try some new techniques if you want him to
stop.

Ah...you must have run out of damp hankies to slap folk on the
wrist as self-styled moderator! :-)

When did it become Jim's job to regulate Steve?

But I don't think you want him to stop.

Doesn't really matter to me. There will ALWAYS be some yo-yo
out there who can't argue a subject for squat and does the
personal
insult thing in order to "win an argument." :-) Those are
alleasy
marks. Plenty of them. :-)

If anyone would know, you'd know.

You don't want anyone else doing what you do.

Let's remember that phrase, shall we?

"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in
order to "win an argument." "

That's pretty much a fair description of what Len does here.

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wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Sun,May 22 2005 2:53 am

bb wrote:
wrote:


Don't try to lump yourself in with me, Brain. Most of my time
in
the USMC was crewing the MC version of the Pave Low (CH53A and D), a
lot of which got me put in places I was not real happy to be in.

Whoa, there, "SEA STALLION."

The CH-53A to CH-53D are called "Sea Stallion," NOT "Pave Low."
CH-53E is called "Super Sea Stallion."

No screaming eagle, huh, rear area gutless one...?!?!

Ya think that MAYBE that's why I said "...the MC version of
the Pave Low..."...?!?!

Brain was in the Air Force. That's why the cross-reference.

The "Pave Low" is the MH-53E through O suffix, operated mostly
by the USAF. More specifially "Pave Low II" to "Pave Low VI."

Amazing how "smart" you are with the click of a mouse, eh...?!?!

Too bad you can't retain some of that...

The "CH" in the type designation stands for Cargo, Helicopter.

Very good....Still not any "smoking gun", though...

The CH-53A through CH-53D are CARGO HAULERS.

As is the CH53E Super Sea Stallion, on which I was qual'ed.

Some of the MH-53s are into special ops. But, the Sea Stallion
is basically a CARGO HAULER, first operational in 1966.

Actually first operational in 1965.

The "CARGO HAULER" was used for "special ops" through out it's
career too, Lennie. That's why the USMC had them fitted with VULCAN's,
-50's, etc.

That's also why the USMC fit's them for vertical envelopment.

The USMC, The Air Force and the Navy all used them for SpecOp
insertions, Maritime patrol, security-of-the seas missions.

Took only a few minutes on the Internet to check that out.

Sure did.

Guess what else...?!?!

The airframe comes off the same production line at Sikorsky at
Stratford, CT.

The same airframe...Over 80% interchangeable.

And the missions of the CH-53 (ALL variants) far exceed "CARGO
HAULING".

Of course you didn't know that because the scope of your knowledge
stopped at your wrist.

Now, heroic "seven hostile actions" veteran, what exactly ARE
you trying to foist over on everyone with a CARGO HAULER, and
whatinhell does that have to do with AMATEUR RADIO?!?!?

As usual, the "seven hotile actions" hero is running another
reputation SCAM on everyone. Significant OMISSIONS of information
along with an outright LIE on aircraft names versus type number.

I didn't lie about a single thing, Lennie.

If you want a REAL education, you should read some of the
histories of the USMC's various Sea Stallion units...Most notably
HMH-462, HMH-464, HMH-363 and HMH-361.

I was in all except 464 at one time or another.

Take the time to do some research and you'll find a few of those
"seven hostile actions" you claim I never participated in.

If you are going to LIE, BLUFF, SCAM, try to get your military
nomenclature CORRECT.

I did so. Absolutely correct.

You did NOT do so!

Leonard H. Anderson has uttered another falsehood. Why does he
insist on doing that?

Stand down.

You do not now have, nor did you ever, nor will you ever have the
authority, expertise, training, experience or qualifications to give me
an order or to imply you are giving me an order.

The service history and deployment of the CH53-series aircraft is
yet another "field" in which YOUR "experience" is from a mouse click.

I was there. You were not.

You're just TOO inadequate.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:29 am

The Reluctant Marine! Figures. Even reluctant people serve. So
how
did Jim serve in other way?

Tsk. Stebie was GROUND crew.

Steve was an Avionics Technician. MOS's 6612, 6616 and 6323. (And
B-Billet 8981...)

Care to figure out from what MOS's (among others...) the USMC
get's it's Enlisted Aircrews, Lennie?

You don't "give" me anything. My service is not up for your
approval.

Nor mine. I went where I was assigned. Anyone can see where at:

Both of your service's ARE "up for approval"...You put it there.

You certainly take liberties with "approving" mine.

Some of my colleagues weren't so lucky. That
bloodmobile donation you just made fun of was their ticket home
alive
instead of in a bag.

"Colleagues?!?" GROUND crew wre exposed to "hostile fire?"

If you think that my "maintenance" MOS meant I never left the
ground, you've once again demonstrated your complete and utter lack of
knowledge and experience on yet another topic, Lennie.

Since you're so busy mouse-clicking lately, why don't you avail
yourself of some knowledge on USN/USMC Enlisted Aircrew training and
deployment, Lennie...?!?!

You're making yet another fool out of yourself otherwise...As if
THAT is news...

Putz.

Seve, K4YZ

wrote:

This Memorial Day I'll do what I think on HONORING the veterans
of the United States military.

You will "honor" no one until you've published an unequivocal
apology for your cowardly and snivveling attempts to use the sacrifices
of others in order to embellish what was an unremarkable tour of duty
in the Army.

Such as:

I will mention Cpl Elmer Hardy and Capt Jim Tomlinson, both gone
suddenly on the 1st of July, 1950, both members of *MY* Signal
Battalion (the one I served in).

They were not members of "YOUR" signal batallion, Lennie.

You were still in the States when they died. A civilian.

I will HONOR them and the
other 18 members of MY Battalion who lost their lives in the
same crash in Korea...sent there from the "rear-area" of Japan
by Gen MacArthur to improve communications after the North
Koreans invaded South Korea.

And you were STILL not a member of THEIR signal batallion.

You were still in the States when they died. A civilian.

Stebie is going to say I "dishonor" them by mentioning them.

No, I do not state, nor have I EVER stated, that you dishonor
them by "mentioning" them.

What I DO state is that you try to embellish your own character
with THEIR scarifices, just like you did in the foregoing three
paragraphs.

Just like I've been saying all along....

He has stated that before and that is just as damnably FALSE
as anything he has ever babbled. Normally I would have told
Stebie ("Mr. Seven Hostile Actions") to Go To Hell. He is
already there. Scroom.

"Hell" is where people who try to embellish their own meager
"service" by trying to associate themselves with MEN who died three
years earlier go, Lennie...

Put on that NOMEX underwear, Lennie.

You did it before...You did it today...Just like I said you had.

Thanks for proving me right again...

A respectful salute to you, Brian, as one veteran to another.

At least Brian got a shot at some real live-fire service...(pun
not intended)

YOU are just the fire-and-brimstone service...

LenIjustTriedToPolishUpMyrecordAgainAnderson@ieee. org

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Ralph wrote:
Some of my colleagues weren't so lucky. That
bloodmobile donation you just made fun of was their ticket home
alive
instead of in a bag.

Steve, K4YZ

People everywhere are lucky because others give blood and organ
tissue.


But Jim says he "served in other ways." What ways?

.

Give it a rest, old timer.

I'm no old-timer. In ham years I'm a young pup. I've been licensed
less than 20 years to prove it.

What Steve (or any other person) did or did not
do in service to this country is none of your business.
Nobody owes you an answer to anything.

Ordinarily, I would agree. However, Steve has demanded such
information from myself and others. What I have done is placed his
demands and his rules back on him. He squirms in his new role.

It is probably just as well that Steve didn't bump into you at
Dayton. You
would have had to walk all the way back to your car to change your
Relys.

Welp, he was the one who set up the meeting. I didn't feel right about
meeting up with a disabled veteran; apparently it was his long felt
desire. But where the rubber meets the road, he got a flat.

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sat,May 21 2005 5:04 pm

wrote:
wrote:
For years and years the ARRL has emphasized morsemanship
over and above all other skills in amateur radio.

How, Len?

Let's look at some examples...

Policy:

In 1953, when the FCC opened all amateur operating privileges to
all
US
radio amateurs except Novices and Technicians, ARRL did not
try to require more code testing for full privileges.

Their very, very last effort at leadership. Fifty two years ago.

HALF A FRIGGIN LIFETIME AGO FOR RADIO EXPERIMENTORS!!! Idiot!

Jimmie was THERE...in his heart. :-)

He may have lusted in his heart, but he is no peanut farmer.

Gosh and gee-whilikers...in 1953 I was doing HF communications
while in the U.S. Army and didn't have to know a thing about
morse code. Reason is probably that NONE of the three dozen
high power transmitters at one station (only the 3rd largest in
the Army network) used any morse code. NONE of the personnel
at that station were required to know morse code to operate
all those transmitters (minimum 1 KW RF out, maximum 15 KW
but later increased to 40 KW). HF bands, 24/7 operations,
nearly a quarter million messages handled each month.

Hey, you went through the IGY57/58. Did you notice anything unusual
about the propagation?

In 1963, in its original "incentive licensing" proposal to FCC,
ARRL
proposed that full privileges be available only to Advanced and
Extra
licensees, and that the Advanced be reopened to new issues. This
meant
that full priviliges would require more written testing but not
more
code testing.

I advocate that full privs be established for 90WPM tested amateurs.
Got any??? Privs for those not able to achieve 90WPM will be
reassigned to the BPL bands. Idiot!

As Jimmie Noserve likes to put it, "that's simply 'untrue'." :-)

Brian, you have to understand that Jimmie is the Compleat
(amateur) Manchurian Candidate. Fully brainwashed into thinking
that the ARRL is the holy grail of "truth" and all good works.

These clowns have no problem denying amateur privs to people who cannot
attain 5, 13, or 20wpm rates. I wish to set the bar higher than they
can attain and deny privs to them. That is all.

In 1990, ARRL supported the creation of a nocodetest amateur radio
license.

Why not 1987??? Idiot!

Where was the ARRL's leadership when the FCC made the "Novice
Enhancement?" Why did the FCC have to go it alone without the
ARRL's
"""Leadership???""" Extra-wipe! Idiot!

I guess "Extra-wipe" was a bit strong. So sorry.

Jimmie is WRONG BY OMISSION. According to all the documents
PRIOR to the final decision on FCC 90-53, the ARRL was
AGAINST that. The ARRL only supported the final R&O on the
creation of the no-code-test Technician class AFTER THE FACT.

History Prof Jim is a revisionist.

Jimmie just can't bring himself to admit that many OTHER
parties were trying to cancel the code test PRIOR to 1990.
Some time spent in the FCC Reading Room of the correspondence
PRIOR to 1990 will show enough support for No-Code-Test that
the FCC was lobbied into the 90-53 issuance.

Oh, please. You know how these guys are about documentation. Long on
demands, short on product.

Once the NO-CODE-TEST Technician class was established, the
ARRL had no other choice to "support" it...it would have been
politically destructive to the League to oppose it AFTER THE
FACT.

The train was leaving the station. Toot-toot. They had to jump aboard
or get left behind.

Jimmie wants to OMIT certain details to show that the ARRL is
in the "leadership." It isn't. The ARRL still hasn't gotten
a membership larger than a quarter of all licensed U.S.
radio amateurs.

Not only that, but the FCC doesn't appear to be looking at the ARRL in
any leadership capacity.

The FASTEST GROWING CLASS in U.S. amateur radio - since 1991 -
is that very same NO-CODE-TEST Technician class. NO OTHER
class has grown so large, so quickly, in the history of
amateur radio as regulated by the FCC since 1934.

Don't confuse them with the facts

Jimmie is going to trot out his outworn cliches' and other
statements (nearly all sinning by omission of details) and
state "that is simply wrong." :-) He can't think for
himself anymore in amateur radio matters, apparently. He
is one of the number-one bunting putter-upper and flag
waver for the League. The ARRL can do NO wrong in his eyes.

Ask him how far it is to the moon. Hi!

N2EY is so full of EXTRA excrement that I just can't allow the rest
of
his original post to be quoted. You offend thinking people unlike
any
"off color" callsign that you would care to strike.

In my view, Jimmie is so brainwashed that he can't help himself.
He, like Stebie da Avenging Angle of Dearth, is into such a
fantasy that Jimmie really thinks what he writes is "truth"
and anything contrary is "untrue." Jimmie just can't conceive
of his words being in error, therefore he speaks "truth."

Ever since I pointed out that his comment "A morse code exam would be a
barrier to morse code use" was exactly our point, he's gotten Extra
defensive and ultra-sensitive.

As to the "off-color callsign" (Kim's vanity call), that's just
his personal morality thing. It's almost like he took Vows and
was ordained a Priest in the Holy Orders of the Church of
St. Hiram...of the Latter-Day Radio Saints? Or was it
Former-Day Radio Saints? Must be that for his wanting to
cite all those "leadership" actions happening during and
before he was born. Another amateur "role-model" to emulate
on seeking the "highest goals" in amateur radio...complete
Nirvana in morsemanship. Ho hum.



I especially like his vision of an active amateur radio service during
WWII. Hi! What a vision! What a revision!!!

bb

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:29 am

The Reluctant Marine! Figures. Even reluctant people serve. So
how
did Jim serve in other way?

Tsk. Stebie was GROUND crew.

Steve was an Avionics Technician. MOS's 6612, 6616 and 6323.
(And
B-Billet 8981...)

Care to figure out from what MOS's (among others...) the USMC
get's it's Enlisted Aircrews, Lennie?

Are those "box-kicking" MOS's?

You don't "give" me anything. My service is not up for your
approval.

Nor mine. I went where I was assigned. Anyone can see where
at:

Both of your service's ARE "up for approval"...You put it
there.

You certainly take liberties with "approving" mine.

Nope. You've continually denigrated my service and Len's with REMF and
box-kicker descriptions.

Some of my colleagues weren't so lucky. That
bloodmobile donation you just made fun of was their ticket home
alive
instead of in a bag.

"Colleagues?!?" GROUND crew wre exposed to "hostile fire?"

If you think that my "maintenance" MOS meant I never left the
ground, you've once again demonstrated your complete and utter lack
of
knowledge and experience on yet another topic, Lennie.

Test flight mike?

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:13 am

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to
have had a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites
States
Military. He had other more important things to do like
pursue a
degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the
military
still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to
WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East."

Guess they shudda consulted with you two first,
eh...?!?!

I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services.

No, you're not

I must be. I volunteered. I kept volunteering.

No...you keep "volunteering" to collect a paycheck.

Hi! I suppose you wrote "VOID" across your paychecks and sent them
back?

He probably sent them all to the ARRL Truss Fund. :-)

I wonder if Stebie has bothered to study recent USA history?
He left out FOUR Presidents who served in the military since
FDR...and I'm not counting Dubya.

He's not too bright. He thought he was heading somewhere with that.

You quite obviously have a problem with the society that the
Constitution you alleged to support and defend provides.

How so?

Somebody ought to break the news to Stebie, might as well be
me...

STEBIE, NOW HEAR THIS...

NO CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES ACKNOWLEDGES YOU AS EMPEROR,
LEADER, PLENTY-POTENT-ATE, OR EVEN "ANCOIC" OF ANYONE ELSE.

CLIK

Poor fella thinks the Constitution of the USA has some kind of
paragraph saying "everyone has to abide by this wanna-be Dill
Sergeant (with the pursed, pickled lips and sour disposition).

He needs to be ignored. His shrillness level will go up until he is
able to break glass.

Tell Jim to let
us know how it's going when he gets there.

You swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the
United
States.

Against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Yep. However there's no "enemies" of the Constitution
here...

So why are you bringing up the defense of the Constitution here?

Sorry, Brian, Stebie IS the Constitution! Hi, hi!

I guess he thought he was going somewhere with that and for a
split-second I thought he might be going somewhere with it, too. But I
was wrong.

You really ought to get your stuff in one sock before starting off
on
a
new rant tangent.

Looks like an internal battle among his personalities...one
shouted
out of turn...

I'd love to watch him do drill, calling out commands to the other hims.

Obviously you have a problem, however, with people who
live
their
lives within that same Constitution.

Explain.

No explanation is necessary. Your on-going support of
Lennie's
cowardly "Jimmie Noserve"'s rants is evidence enough.

You're Quitevague about your newest accusations. Please be more
specific.

Tsk. Stebie IS the Constitution! :-)

Saying anything against Stebie is Sedition, Treason Against
The State!!!

Flat tire.

Hey, while you're at it, why don't you produce authentic
documentation of your alleged "A" NCOIC MARS/Okinawa.

Right after we get some of the information we've been asking
YOU
for for YEARS...

So then, you really are a liar. You're the very thing you claim of
everyone else.

Ah, not quite from Stebie's point of view. In his distorted view
Stebie is "always truthful" but everyone who doesn't like him is
a "LIAR," "deceitful," "hates ham radio," and/or has underarm
odor.

I see Steve for what he is. Impotent and angry.

So...was your Oath as a member of the Armed Forces just
some words
you recited in order to get a federal job? Sure looks that
way.

I'm offended that Jim claimed "service in other ways." What
other
ways?

Why would you expect Jim to answer such an insulting question
when
YOU have overtly refused to answer questions he's put to you for
YEARS,
Brain?

Why wouldn't he? He has no problem insulting others.

Tsk, now Jimmie Noserve is going to be furious! Jimmie "NEVER"
"insults" anyone...all he does is "point out mistakes" that
"others do." :-)

The record states otherwise. Jim can be just as abusive as his
henchmen.

(Rhetorical question...we know the answer...you're a
coward...)

Hi, hi! That's rich coming from the guy who couldn't make Dayton to
see me. Seven hostile actions? Hi!

Tsk. Readers are still unaware of Stebie's mighty warrior acts
WHEN and WHERE of those "seven hostile actions!"

They apparently haven't seen his stated desires to see me at Dayton.

Maybe they were "special ops" and veddy, veddy "secret" that
Stebie can't reveal? :-)

[gosh, maybe we can hear one of his "HALO Drop" stories?]

Impotent and angry.

So is Jim checking out the governments needs over in the desert? He
would be drawing a nice, tax-free paycheck.

Jimmie is "serving in other ways" by defending the Constitution
of the ARRL...against all enemies, especially the domestic
no-coders. Plus he is probably training for another marathon,
another "service for his country." Hi, hi!

Jim is delicate, gets frustrated when his fascade fades.

That and keeping his Time Machine running so he can jump back
to times when Kode was King in raddio. "Important national
service," you bet! :-)

insert eight lines of all-caps hyena laghter here



I especially like his trips down memory lane where we had an active
amateur radio service during WWII.

wrote:


"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult
thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

"bb" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:13 am

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The last five Presidents of the United States seem to
have had a
clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service".

Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites
States
Military. He had other more important things to do like
pursue a
degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the
military
still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to
WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East."

Guess they shudda consulted with you two first,
eh...?!?!

I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services.

No, you're not

I must be. I volunteered. I kept volunteering.

No...you keep "volunteering" to collect a paycheck.

Hi! I suppose you wrote "VOID" across your paychecks and sent them
back?

He probably sent them all to the ARRL Truss Fund. :-)

I wonder if Stebie has bothered to study recent USA history?
He left out FOUR Presidents who served in the military since
FDR...and I'm not counting Dubya.

He's not too bright. He thought he was heading somewhere with that.

You quite obviously have a problem with the society that the
Constitution you alleged to support and defend provides.

How so?

Somebody ought to break the news to Stebie, might as well be
me...

STEBIE, NOW HEAR THIS...

NO CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES ACKNOWLEDGES YOU AS EMPEROR,
LEADER, PLENTY-POTENT-ATE, OR EVEN "ANCOIC" OF ANYONE ELSE.

CLIK

Poor fella thinks the Constitution of the USA has some kind of
paragraph saying "everyone has to abide by this wanna-be Dill
Sergeant (with the pursed, pickled lips and sour disposition).

He needs to be ignored. His shrillness level will go up until he is
able to break glass.

Tell Jim to let
us know how it's going when he gets there.

You swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the
United
States.

Against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Yep. However there's no "enemies" of the Constitution
here...

So why are you bringing up the defense of the Constitution here?

Sorry, Brian, Stebie IS the Constitution! Hi, hi!

I guess he thought he was going somewhere with that and for a
split-second I thought he might be going somewhere with it, too. But I
was wrong.

You really ought to get your stuff in one sock before starting off
on
a
new rant tangent.

Looks like an internal battle among his personalities...one
shouted
out of turn...

I'd love to watch him do drill, calling out commands to the other hims.

Obviously you have a problem, however, with people who
live
their
lives within that same Constitution.

Explain.

No explanation is necessary. Your on-going support of
Lennie's
cowardly "Jimmie Noserve"'s rants is evidence enough.

You're Quitevague about your newest accusations. Please be more
specific.

Tsk. Stebie IS the Constitution! :-)

Saying anything against Stebie is Sedition, Treason Against
The State!!!

Flat tire.

Hey, while you're at it, why don't you produce authentic
documentation of your alleged "A" NCOIC MARS/Okinawa.

Right after we get some of the information we've been asking
YOU
for for YEARS...

So then, you really are a liar. You're the very thing you claim of
everyone else.

Ah, not quite from Stebie's point of view. In his distorted view
Stebie is "always truthful" but everyone who doesn't like him is
a "LIAR," "deceitful," "hates ham radio," and/or has underarm
odor.

I see Steve for what he is. Impotent and angry.

So...was your Oath as a member of the Armed Forces just
some words
you recited in order to get a federal job? Sure looks that
way.

I'm offended that Jim claimed "service in other ways." What
other
ways?

Why would you expect Jim to answer such an insulting question
when
YOU have overtly refused to answer questions he's put to you for
YEARS,
Brain?

Why wouldn't he? He has no problem insulting others.

Tsk, now Jimmie Noserve is going to be furious! Jimmie "NEVER"
"insults" anyone...all he does is "point out mistakes" that
"others do." :-)

The record states otherwise. Jim can be just as abusive as his
henchmen.

(Rhetorical question...we know the answer...you're a
coward...)

Hi, hi! That's rich coming from the guy who couldn't make Dayton to
see me. Seven hostile actions? Hi!

Tsk. Readers are still unaware of Stebie's mighty warrior acts
WHEN and WHERE of those "seven hostile actions!"

They apparently haven't seen his stated desires to see me at Dayton.

Maybe they were "special ops" and veddy, veddy "secret" that
Stebie can't reveal? :-)

[gosh, maybe we can hear one of his "HALO Drop" stories?]

Impotent and angry.

So is Jim checking out the governments needs over in the desert? He
would be drawing a nice, tax-free paycheck.

Jimmie is "serving in other ways" by defending the Constitution
of the ARRL...against all enemies, especially the domestic
no-coders. Plus he is probably training for another marathon,
another "service for his country." Hi, hi!

Jim is delicate, gets frustrated when his fascade fades.

That and keeping his Time Machine running so he can jump back
to times when Kode was King in raddio. "Important national
service," you bet! :-)

insert eight lines of all-caps hyena laghter here



I especially like his trips down memory lane where we had an active
amateur radio service during WWII.

====================

facade: n 1. the front part of a building, especially an imposing one. 2. a
false or superficial appearance.

From: on Mon,May 23 2005 3:57 am



"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult
thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-)

Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning"
a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-)

Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO!

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

"RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's
where the major international communications networks WERE in
the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a
volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters
for an Army station. A "small" station, only the third largest
in the worldwide Army net at the time, just 36 transmitters
ranging from 1 to 15 KW in 1953 (43, up to 40 KW in 1956) and
none of them using OOK CW modes. That station was located in
Japan, specifically a few miles outside of Tokyo. 24/7 ops
attached directly to the Far East Command Headquarters, then
in Tokyo...continuous links to Seoul, Pusan, Okinawa, Manila,
Saigon, Anchorage, Seattle, Hawaii, San Francisco plus local
HF nets all throughout the Kanto Plain of Honshu Island.

In early 1953 there was still a state of War between the
United Nations and North Korea although a truce was
imminent (that would settle into a "permanent" Truce in
July, 1953). I had voluntarily enlisted in the Army on
13 March 1952...when there was still active warfare in
Korea. My assignment to the Far East was ordered by the
Army and not subject to my approval or disapproval...one goes
where assigned or one goes where the penitentiary is (after a
court martial).

Army duty required a continuous practice on soldiering skills
regardless of one's military occupation specialty. In addition
to that, there were continuing updates on emergency and
contingency plans plus operational tests of same. Note the
location of Japan to the easternmost parts of the USSR, then
an adversary in the "Cold War." The USSR then possessed the
atomic bomb.

Since I was in the Signal Corps and working on/with radio
communications, my unit was NOT briefed on the overall
military capabilities of the Soviet Union to the detail
outlined in the Janes books. We had one simple directive
in the case of military conflict: "Close with, and destroy
the enemy." We were all reminded of that in the regular
training sessions of Provisional Infantry Platoon ("PIP")
practice, along with "you are soldiers FIRST and signalmen
second." We were NOT given any of the movie-style
practice on identifying Soviet aircraft from little models
or silouettes...nor were we instructed in operation of
anti-aircraft defense (there were other units for that
purpose).

While all that was going on, station ADA kept on 24/7
operations at a rate of nearly a quarter million messages
a month through its facilities...thousands of miles from
the United States of America. Was FEC Hq "in danger" from
its "rear-area location?" Depends on what you "4F" types
want to call "danger" from your safe locations in the states.

Now, did I make a "mistake" on calling out Soviet "Bear"
bomber types in 1953? Yes. In the 49 years from 1953 to
2002 (date of your target "example" message) I've seen a
LOT of statistics and information on Soviet military power.
If I needed to be SPECIFIC, then I would go look up the
EXACT thing. But...Soviet aircraft was NOT in my "line of
work" in 1953 to 1956. Radio was. HF radio...and VHF,
UHF, and microwave radio. RADIO, Jimmie. RADIOS that must
operate 24/7, "getting the message through." I made NO
"mistakes" there.

You want to sit safe at your computer and scoff and scoff
and show how "expert" you are in military and political
matters...and NEVER having served in any government post
or military in REAL SERVICE for your country. You want to
"tell me how it is" in the military without wearing a
uniform, taking any induction oath, or being shipped out
of the country to some foreign base. You want to attempt
humiliation all because you are still "suffering" from not
winning some "message battle" years ago. Poor baby.

Jimmie boy, there's NO indication that you EVER worked IN
radio...or in aerospace...and you want to be an "expert
guru type" on that. You've not worked AT the FCC, you've
not worked AT the ARRL, you are NOT in the judiciary, yet
you try to speak as if you were all of that. All you seem
to have is long "tenure" in amateur radio NEWSGROUP MESSAGING.
Hours and hours and hours of that. More than I have.

On Memorial Day you WILL be remembered. We veterans all
remember the anti-military civilians who like to spit on
military people one way or another, SAFE in their un-
touched communities expressing contempt for anyone who
has served via the Internet.

Amateur radio is a hobby activity carried on for the purpose
of personal enjoyment. It is, in part, a technological
endeavor involving the laws of physics, regulated by the
government because ALL radio works by those same physical
laws. Amateur radio is NOT a fifth branch of the armed
forces. Ham operators are NOT "serving their country"
any more than stamp collectors or bird watchers or other
hobbyists. Try to keep from translating your amateur
radio license form into a DD-214.

Here's my "salute" to you, Jimmie Noserve, on this upcoming
Memorial Day: middle finger upraised

Temper fry...


ex-RA16408336, USA, Signal Corps (1952-1956)