From: "bb" on Mon,May 23 2005 4:53 pm

wrote:


"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult
thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

Not a complement, tsk. Jimmie has "hung" himself enough
already in here. He may have run out of "rope?"

Lately he has desired REOPENING three-year-old postings
to ARGUE those postings all over again. Oh, my. Can't
let the past be past, can he?

Computer-modem communications must be his LIFE now?

From: "bb" on Mon,May 23 2005 4:31 pm

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sat,May 21 2005 5:04 pm

wrote:
wrote:

Their very, very last effort at leadership. Fifty two years ago.

HALF A FRIGGIN LIFETIME AGO FOR RADIO EXPERIMENTORS!!! Idiot!

Jimmie was THERE...in his heart. :-)

He may have lusted in his heart, but he is no peanut farmer.

"Our" Jimmie is NO "president." :-)

Gosh and gee-whilikers...in 1953 I was doing HF communications
while in the U.S. Army and didn't have to know a thing about
morse code. Reason is probably that NONE of the three dozen
high power transmitters at one station (only the 3rd largest in
the Army network) used any morse code. NONE of the personnel
at that station were required to know morse code to operate
all those transmitters (minimum 1 KW RF out, maximum 15 KW
but later increased to 40 KW). HF bands, 24/7 operations,
nearly a quarter million messages handled each month.

Hey, you went through the IGY57/58. Did you notice anything unusual
about the propagation?

I returned to the States in early 1956.

The only thing I recall was a TOTAL ionospheric blackout
(on local midnight shift) in the Fall of 1955. Lasted about
three hours, give or take. Back-logged about 100 messages or
so which impacted the flow a bit. Before IGY, of course.
Only the long-distance circuits (nearly all) over 300 miles
were affected. VHF and above LOS was not affected.


Brian, you have to understand that Jimmie is the Compleat
(amateur) Manchurian Candidate. Fully brainwashed into thinking
that the ARRL is the holy grail of "truth" and all good works.

These clowns have no problem denying amateur privs to people who
cannot
attain 5, 13, or 20wpm rates. I wish to set the bar higher than they
can attain and deny privs to them. That is all.

Didn't and doesn't bother me either way, but remember that
those clowns "pioneered the airwaves"...speaking of course of
N2EY, K4YZ, W3RV, K8MN. They are "more deserving" because
they exist. :-)

In 1990, ARRL supported the creation of a nocodetest amateur
radio
license.

Why not 1987??? Idiot!

Where was the ARRL's leadership when the FCC made the "Novice
Enhancement?" Why did the FCC have to go it alone without the
ARRL's
"""Leadership???""" Extra-wipe! Idiot!

I guess "Extra-wipe" was a bit strong. So sorry.

Don't be. I used an extra tissue wiping my eyes due to
laughing at them... :-)

Jimmie is WRONG BY OMISSION. According to all the documents
PRIOR to the final decision on FCC 90-53, the ARRL was
AGAINST that. The ARRL only supported the final R&O on the
creation of the no-code-test Technician class AFTER THE FACT.

History Prof Jim is a revisionist.

Well, he doesn't exactly "lie," but neither is he telling
ALL the truth. He follows the ARRL Party Line exactly.

Jimmie just can't bring himself to admit that many OTHER
parties were trying to cancel the code test PRIOR to 1990.
Some time spent in the FCC Reading Room of the correspondence
PRIOR to 1990 will show enough support for No-Code-Test that
the FCC was lobbied into the 90-53 issuance.

Oh, please. You know how these guys are about documentation. Long on
demands, short on product.

Yes, I do...but remember that "these guys" are all PCTA Extras
and have their Double Standard to rationalize their actions.

However, Jimmie is still upset about OLD postings in here and
demands some kind of "recount" and weird "admission of guilt"
over some imaginary "wrongdoing." Jimmie's MISDIRECTION into
old, old posting arguments is one form of his rationalizations.

Once the NO-CODE-TEST Technician class was established, the
ARRL had no other choice to "support" it...it would have been
politically destructive to the League to oppose it AFTER THE
FACT.

The train was leaving the station. Toot-toot. They had to jump
aboard
or get left behind.

Jimmie wants to "forget" about the ARRL statements made prior
to and during 90-53.

Jimmie wants to OMIT certain details to show that the ARRL is
in the "leadership." It isn't. The ARRL still hasn't gotten
a membership larger than a quarter of all licensed U.S.
radio amateurs.

Not only that, but the FCC doesn't appear to be looking at the ARRL in
any leadership capacity.

That seems evident now that the Internet allows DIRECT
communications with the FCC. Opinions of individual hams are
no longer "screened" by the ARRL for ARRL lobbying.

The FASTEST GROWING CLASS in U.S. amateur radio - since 1991 -
is that very same NO-CODE-TEST Technician class. NO OTHER
class has grown so large, so quickly, in the history of
amateur radio as regulated by the FCC since 1934.

Don't confuse them with the facts

I can't confuse them when they don't recognize those facts.

Jimmie is going to trot out his outworn cliches' and other
statements (nearly all sinning by omission of details) and
state "that is simply wrong." :-) He can't think for
himself anymore in amateur radio matters, apparently. He
is one of the number-one bunting putter-upper and flag
waver for the League. The ARRL can do NO wrong in his eyes.

Ask him how far it is to the moon. Hi!

? Is he pretending to be Ralph Kramden? :-)


In my view, Jimmie is so brainwashed that he can't help himself.
He, like Stebie da Avenging Angle of Dearth, is into such a
fantasy that Jimmie really thinks what he writes is "truth"
and anything contrary is "untrue." Jimmie just can't conceive
of his words being in error, therefore he speaks "truth."

Ever since I pointed out that his comment "A morse code exam would be
a
barrier to morse code use" was exactly our point, he's gotten Extra
defensive and ultra-sensitive.

Jimmie won't admit to making errors. It's as simple as that.

As to the "off-color callsign" (Kim's vanity call), that's just
his personal morality thing. It's almost like he took Vows and
was ordained a Priest in the Holy Orders of the Church of
St. Hiram...of the Latter-Day Radio Saints? Or was it
Former-Day Radio Saints? Must be that for his wanting to
cite all those "leadership" actions happening during and
before he was born. Another amateur "role-model" to emulate
on seeking the "highest goals" in amateur radio...complete
Nirvana in morsemanship. Ho hum.

I especially like his vision of an active amateur radio service during
WWII. Hi! What a vision! What a revision!!!

Super vision! [either he IS that or NEEDS that... :-) ]

Jimmie "lived" IN WW2...in his heart and fantasy...just never
was IN the military or faced the prospect of harm to his body
then or later...when he was alive and could have, but didn't,
serve in the military. "He served in other ways..."

I just can't picture Jimmie using an M-209 Code Converter and
tapping on an AN/GRC-9 to "send intel back from the front lines"
to his unit (which wasn't done much in actual fact). Since the
tanks and trucks depended on VOICE comms over VHF sets in Yurp
then, he can't be pictured using a knee key in a bouncing
Sherman tank facing the Panzers along the Rhine. Neither can
he be thought of as "working" the ARC-5 sets in B-17s and B-24s
over Germany (the two pilots used the Command set, the radio-
op-gunner was only connected to the low-HF Liason set). He
certainly wouldn't use VOICE on the first "handie-talkie" (on
HF, operational in 1940) since he thinks HF is only for morse.
Neither would he be pictured using a BC-1000 "walkie-talkie"
(VHF voice only and Heavy backpack) even though that was
widely used - and praised - by the "grunts" of that time,
both in Italy and in Yurp. Jimmie is a MORSEMAN and that is
that... :-)

wrote


Here's my "salute" to you, Jimmie Noserve, on this upcoming
Memorial Day: middle finger upraised


Looks like Len chased down a large helping of anchovies with a bad bottle of
Chardonnay!

dit dit

de Hans, K0HB

From: "bb" on Mon,May 23 2005 4:50 pm

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:13 am

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The last five Presidents of the United States seem
to

No...you keep "volunteering" to collect a paycheck.

Hi! I suppose you wrote "VOID" across your paychecks and sent them
back?

He probably sent them all to the ARRL Truss Fund. :-)

I wonder if Stebie has bothered to study recent USA history?
He left out FOUR Presidents who served in the military since
FDR...and I'm not counting Dubya.

He's not too bright. He thought he was heading somewhere with that.

Sevie committed Navigational Error! Wrong HEADING! :-)

Of course, there's the possibility he suffers from mental
blackouts and just cannot remember American history.
Traumatic Stress Syndrome from those "seven hostile actions?"


Poor fella thinks the Constitution of the USA has some kind of
paragraph saying "everyone has to abide by this wanna-be Dill
Sergeant (with the pursed, pickled lips and sour disposition).

He needs to be ignored. His shrillness level will go up until he is
able to break glass.

Since I and my wife each got LCD flat-panel displays last
year, I'm not worried about him breaking our monitors.
I may have to sleeve the fluorescents over the L-desk in
translucent sleeving, though.

As for "shrillness" [plus outrage] at least 40 db over S9,
wait until I show a copy of his "dishonoring my unit"
message to the guys who are going to be at the Westwood
federal cemetary on Memorial Day! Poor Sevie gonna be
so outnumbered by REAL veterans... :-(


So why are you bringing up the defense of the Constitution here?

Sorry, Brian, Stebie IS the Constitution! Hi, hi!

I guess he thought he was going somewhere with that and for a
split-second I thought he might be going somewhere with it, too. But
I
was wrong.

Tsk, the only place he went was out-the-door, out-to-lunch,
out-of-his-mind. He's hard to follow, allatime being in
such a RAGE.

You really ought to get your stuff in one sock before starting off
on a
new rant tangent.

Looks like an internal battle among his personalities...one
shouted
out of turn...

I'd love to watch him do drill, calling out commands to the other
hims.

Yes, that DOES sound interesting and amusing... :-)


Tsk. Stebie IS the Constitution! :-)

Saying anything against Stebie is Sedition, Treason Against
The State!!!

Flat tire.

That "tire" still has LOTS of hot air in it... :-)


Ah, not quite from Stebie's point of view. In his distorted view
Stebie is "always truthful" but everyone who doesn't like him is
a "LIAR," "deceitful," "hates ham radio," and/or has underarm
odor.

I see Steve for what he is. Impotent and angry.

Sure looks that way.


Why would you expect Jim to answer such an insulting
question when
YOU have overtly refused to answer questions he's put to you for
YEARS,
Brain?

Why wouldn't he? He has no problem insulting others.

Tsk, now Jimmie Noserve is going to be furious! Jimmie "NEVER"
"insults" anyone...all he does is "point out mistakes" that
"others do." :-)

The record states otherwise. Jim can be just as abusive as his
henchmen.

True enough again. "Henchmen" = PCTA Extra Double Standards
bearers.


Tsk. Readers are still unaware of Stebie's mighty warrior acts
WHEN and WHERE of those "seven hostile actions!"

They apparently haven't seen his stated desires to see me at Dayton.

Maybe he just needs eyeglasses? He probably won't go to the
largest eyeglass chain due to the name: Lenscrafters. Hi hi.

Maybe they were "special ops" and veddy, veddy "secret" that
Stebie can't reveal? :-)

[gosh, maybe we can hear one of his "HALO Drop" stories?]

Impotent and angry.

Not enough medals in his cigar box. He needs to check out
www.grunt.com, "Sgt Grit - 'if we don't have it, Chesty
wouldn't want it!'" Lots of goodies there. Hi hi.

So is Jim checking out the governments needs over in the desert?
He
would be drawing a nice, tax-free paycheck.

Jimmie is "serving in other ways" by defending the Constitution
of the ARRL...against all enemies, especially the domestic
no-coders. Plus he is probably training for another marathon,
another "service for his country." Hi, hi!

Jim is delicate, gets frustrated when his fascade fades.

Awwwwww....

That and keeping his Time Machine running so he can jump back
to times when Kode was King in raddio. "Important national
service," you bet! :-)

insert eight lines of all-caps hyena laghter here

I especially like his trips down memory lane where we had an active
amateur radio service during WWII.

Jimmie might have amended that by now. Remember that Jimmie's
statements are always "correct" and his "mission" is to "simply
correct others' mistakes!" Said so hisself. Hi hi hi hi!!!!



[NOT affiliated with Lenscrafters]

From: "K4YZ" on Mon,May 23 2005 5:52 am


wrote:

This Memorial Day I'll do what I think on HONORING the veterans
of the United States military.

You will "honor" no one until you've published an unequivocal
apology for your cowardly and snivveling attempts to use the
sacrifices
of others in order to embellish what was an unremarkable tour of duty
in the Army.

"You do not now have, nor did you ever, nor will you ever
have the authority, expertise, training, experience or
qualifications to give me an order or to imply you are
giving me an order."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAAAAAHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEE
HAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: "K4YZ" on Mon,May 23 2005 4:38 am

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Sun,May 22 2005 2:53 am

bb wrote:
wrote:


Don't try to lump yourself in with me, Brain. Most of my time
in
the USMC was crewing the MC version of the Pave Low (CH53A and D),
a
lot of which got me put in places I was not real happy to be in.

Whoa, there, "SEA STALLION."

The CH-53A to CH-53D are called "Sea Stallion," NOT "Pave Low."
CH-53E is called "Super Sea Stallion."

No screaming eagle, huh, rear area gutless one...?!?!

Ya think that MAYBE that's why I said "...the MC version of
the Pave Low..."...?!?!

Brain was in the Air Force. That's why the cross-reference.

1. Helicopters are NOT a radio subject, let alone AMATEUR RADIO.

2. Military aircraft nomenclature, names are NOT a requirement
in AMATEUR RADIO.

3. Are there any AMATEURS operating "helicopter mobile?" :-)

The "Pave Low" is the MH-53E through O suffix, operated mostly
by the USAF. More specifially "Pave Low II" to "Pave Low VI."

Amazing how "smart" you are with the click of a mouse, eh...?!?!

All the information on the Internet is at ANYONE's disposal.

Too bad you can't retain some of that...

Not my job. Too bad Stebie can't remember to get names correct
on helicopters he has "served." :-)

The "CH" in the type designation stands for Cargo, Helicopter.

Very good....Still not any "smoking gun", though...

The CH-53A through CH-53D are CARGO HAULERS.

As is the CH53E Super Sea Stallion, on which I was qual'ed.

1. The colloquial term for "qualified" is spelled "qualled"
as it is pronounced.

2. The CH-47 and CH-54 are also Cargo Handlers, types that
I've designed test sets for...and gotten them in
production and eventually delivered (RCA EASD).

Some of the MH-53s are into special ops. But, the Sea Stallion
is basically a CARGO HAULER, first operational in 1966.

Actually first operational in 1965.

FORTY YEAR OLD DESIGN. :-)

The "CARGO HAULER" was used for "special ops" through out it's
career too, Lennie. That's why the USMC had them fitted with
VULCAN's,
-50's, etc.

Tsk...next thing will be Stebie bragging on his "special ops"
experience...maybe with a "HALO Drop" story? :-)

The tactical and strategic use of helicopters is NOT anything
close to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

That's also why the USMC fit's them for vertical envelopment.

NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

The USMC, The Air Force and the Navy all used them for SpecOp
insertions, Maritime patrol, security-of-the seas missions.

NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

The airframe comes off the same production line at Sikorsky at
Stratford, CT.

NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

The same airframe...Over 80% interchangeable.

NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

And the missions of the CH-53 (ALL variants) far exceed "CARGO
HAULING".

NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

Of course you didn't know that because the scope of your
knowledge
stopped at your wrist.

Not my job to know details of helicopters. :-)


I didn't lie about a single thing, Lennie.

Not in Stebieworld. Stebie NEVER lies in Stebieworld...everyone
else does there... :-)

If you want a REAL education, you should read some of the
histories of the USMC's various Sea Stallion units...Most notably
HMH-462, HMH-464, HMH-363 and HMH-361.

I was in all except 464 at one time or another.

NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

Take the time to do some research and you'll find a few of those
"seven hostile actions" you claim I never participated in.

Is Stebie's name featured anywhere on those "research pages?"

So far, none of us readers have found out the WHEN and
WHERE of Stebie's famous "seven hostile actions."

Hint: This newsgroup is NOT about the Glory of the USMC
or about helicopters. Try to stay focussed. If you write
names of helicopters, try to get them CORRECT.

If you are going to LIE, BLUFF, SCAM, try to get your military
nomenclature CORRECT.

I did so. Absolutely correct.

You did NOT do so!

Tsk, tsk. I corrected you and you admitted to the INCORRECT
"cross-reference" (your term for covering up your mistake). :-)

Stand down.

You do not now have, nor did you ever, nor will you ever have the
authority, expertise, training, experience or qualifications to give
me
an order or to imply you are giving me an order.

BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAgaspHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH
HEHEHHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Tsk. Stebie ought to go to work for "Sgt Grit - 'if we don't
have it, Chesty wouldn't want it."

NOBODY can tell mighty Stebie ANYTHING!

BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAgaspHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH
HEHEHHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

The service history and deployment of the CH53-series aircraft is
yet another "field" in which YOUR "experience" is from a mouse click.

Absolutely! :-)

BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAgaspHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH
HEHEHHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

I've spent 53 years working in RADIO-ELECTRONICS, not
helicopters. This forum is NOT about helicopters. This
newsgroup is about RADIO, specifically amateur radio policy.

So, Stebie, how much time did you spend in Building 82? :-)

Temper fry...

From: "K4YZ" on Mon,May 23 2005 4:53 am

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:29 am

The Reluctant Marine! Figures. Even reluctant people serve. So
how
did Jim serve in other way?

Tsk. Stebie was GROUND crew.

Steve was an Avionics Technician. MOS's 6612, 6616 and 6323.
(And
B-Billet 8981...)

Care to figure out from what MOS's (among others...) the USMC
get's it's Enlisted Aircrews, Lennie?

Nope. This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY, not
the glory and history of the USMC.

So...Seve can tell us exactly WHAT those MOSs DO, can he? :-)

Tsk, so far Seve has AVOIDED stating outright that he was
an aircrewman. That leaves only GROUND crew...which are
as important as any position for 40-year-old aircraft designs.

You don't "give" me anything. My service is not up for your
approval.

Nor mine. I went where I was assigned. Anyone can see where at:

Both of your service's ARE "up for approval"...You put it there.

BWWWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!

Up yours, Seve. :-)


If you think that my "maintenance" MOS meant I never left the
ground, you've once again demonstrated your complete and utter lack of
knowledge and experience on yet another topic, Lennie.

Tsk, tsk, STILL no statement of exactly what Seve did as
"aircrew."

BWWWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!


Since you're so busy mouse-clicking lately, why don't you avail
yourself of some knowledge on USN/USMC Enlisted Aircrew training and
deployment, Lennie...?!?!

BWWWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!


Putz.

Seve, K4YZ

Tsk, tsk...not good Recruiting Sergeant behavior there...

Temper fry...

From: "bb" on Mon,May 23 2005 4:50 pm

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:13 am

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The last five Presidents of the United States seem
to

No...you keep "volunteering" to collect a paycheck.

Hi! I suppose you wrote "VOID" across your paychecks and sent them
back?

He probably sent them all to the ARRL Truss Fund. :-)

I wonder if Stebie has bothered to study recent USA history?
He left out FOUR Presidents who served in the military since
FDR...and I'm not counting Dubya.

He's not too bright. He thought he was heading somewhere with that.

Sevie committed Navigational Error! Wrong HEADING! :-)

Of course, there's the possibility he suffers from mental
blackouts and just cannot remember American history.
Traumatic Stress Syndrome from those "seven hostile actions?"


Poor fella thinks the Constitution of the USA has some kind of
paragraph saying "everyone has to abide by this wanna-be Dill
Sergeant (with the pursed, pickled lips and sour disposition).

He needs to be ignored. His shrillness level will go up until he is
able to break glass.

Since I and my wife each got LCD flat-panel displays last
year, I'm not worried about him breaking our monitors.
I may have to sleeve the fluorescents over the L-desk in
translucent sleeving, though.

As for "shrillness" [plus outrage] at least 40 db over S9,
wait until I show a copy of his "dishonoring my unit"
message to the guys who are going to be at the Westwood
federal cemetary on Memorial Day! Poor Sevie gonna be
so outnumbered by REAL veterans... :-(


So why are you bringing up the defense of the Constitution here?

Sorry, Brian, Stebie IS the Constitution! Hi, hi!

I guess he thought he was going somewhere with that and for a
split-second I thought he might be going somewhere with it, too. But
I
was wrong.

Tsk, the only place he went was out-the-door, out-to-lunch,
out-of-his-mind. He's hard to follow, allatime being in
such a RAGE.

You really ought to get your stuff in one sock before starting off
on a
new rant tangent.

Looks like an internal battle among his personalities...one
shouted
out of turn...

I'd love to watch him do drill, calling out commands to the other
hims.

Yes, that DOES sound interesting and amusing... :-)


Tsk. Stebie IS the Constitution! :-)

Saying anything against Stebie is Sedition, Treason Against
The State!!!

Flat tire.

That "tire" still has LOTS of hot air in it... :-)


Ah, not quite from Stebie's point of view. In his distorted view
Stebie is "always truthful" but everyone who doesn't like him is
a "LIAR," "deceitful," "hates ham radio," and/or has underarm
odor.

I see Steve for what he is. Impotent and angry.

Sure looks that way.


Why would you expect Jim to answer such an insulting
question when
YOU have overtly refused to answer questions he's put to you for
YEARS,
Brain?

Why wouldn't he? He has no problem insulting others.

Tsk, now Jimmie Noserve is going to be furious! Jimmie "NEVER"
"insults" anyone...all he does is "point out mistakes" that
"others do." :-)

The record states otherwise. Jim can be just as abusive as his
henchmen.

True enough again. "Henchmen" = PCTA Extra Double Standards
bearers.


Tsk. Readers are still unaware of Stebie's mighty warrior acts
WHEN and WHERE of those "seven hostile actions!"

They apparently haven't seen his stated desires to see me at Dayton.

Maybe he just needs eyeglasses? He probably won't go to the
largest eyeglass chain due to the name: Lenscrafters. Hi hi.

Maybe they were "special ops" and veddy, veddy "secret" that
Stebie can't reveal? :-)

[gosh, maybe we can hear one of his "HALO Drop" stories?]

Impotent and angry.

Not enough medals in his cigar box. He needs to check out
www.grunt.com, "Sgt Grit - 'if we don't have it, Chesty
wouldn't want it!'" Lots of goodies there. Hi hi.

So is Jim checking out the governments needs over in the desert?
He
would be drawing a nice, tax-free paycheck.

Jimmie is "serving in other ways" by defending the Constitution
of the ARRL...against all enemies, especially the domestic
no-coders. Plus he is probably training for another marathon,
another "service for his country." Hi, hi!

Jim is delicate, gets frustrated when his fascade fades.

Awwwwww....

That and keeping his Time Machine running so he can jump back
to times when Kode was King in raddio. "Important national
service," you bet! :-)

insert eight lines of all-caps hyena laghter here

I especially like his trips down memory lane where we had an active
amateur radio service during WWII.

Jimmie might have amended that by now. Remember that Jimmie's
statements are always "correct" and his "mission" is to "simply
correct others' mistakes!" Said so hisself. Hi hi hi hi!!!!



[NOT affiliated with Lenscrafters]

From: "bb" on Mon,May 23 2005 4:53 pm

wrote:


"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult
thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

Not a complement, tsk. Jimmie has "hung" himself enough
already in here. He may have run out of "rope?"

Lately he has desired REOPENING three-year-old postings
to ARGUE those postings all over again. Oh, my. Can't
let the past be past, can he?

Computer-modem communications must be his LIFE now?

bb wrote:
wrote:



"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult

thing

in order to "win an argument." "


Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

Doesn't look that way to me. It would appear that Len has been hung by
his very words.

Dave K8MN

wrote

Here's my "salute" to you, Jimmie Noserve, on this upcoming
Memorial Day: middle finger upraised


Looks like Len chased down a large helping of anchovies with a bad
bottle of
Chardonnay!

dit dit

Pardonez mois, cher Hans, but none of that Frog food here.

Was inlagd sill (pickled herring to you dootschy types) on
knackebrod (hardtack, white rye to be exact), and some cool
Tuborg. Plus some skarp ost (sharp cheese, cultured from
California happy cows' milk) on the side. Viking snack
food.

Be careful what you say lest Aliasing Sevie "tells your wife..."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Mon,May 23 2005 5:52 am


wrote:

This Memorial Day I'll do what I think on HONORING the veterans
of the United States military.

You will "honor" no one until you've published an unequivocal
apology for your cowardly and snivveling attempts to use the
sacrifices
of others in order to embellish what was an unremarkable tour of
duty
in the Army.

"You do not now have, nor did you ever, nor will you ever
have the authority, expertise, training, experience or
qualifications to give me an order or to imply you are
giving me an order."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAAAAAHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEE
HAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I expected nothing less.

Your vileness in the face of the looming Memorial Day is even more
emphatic than usual...even for you.

Steve, K4YZ

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:29 am

The Reluctant Marine! Figures. Even reluctant people serve.
So
how
did Jim serve in other way?

Tsk. Stebie was GROUND crew.

Steve was an Avionics Technician. MOS's 6612, 6616 and 6323.
(And
B-Billet 8981...)

Care to figure out from what MOS's (among others...) the USMC
get's it's Enlisted Aircrews, Lennie?

Are those "box-kicking" MOS's?

You're welcome to do the homework and find out.

Espeically the 8981 MOS.

You don't "give" me anything. My service is not up for your
approval.

Nor mine. I went where I was assigned. Anyone can see where
at:

Both of your service's ARE "up for approval"...You put it
there.

You certainly take liberties with "approving" mine.

Nope. You've continually denigrated my service and Len's with REMF
and
box-kicker descriptions.

I never "denigrated" your service, Brain.

I said your Amateur Radio activities from Somalia were not legal.

I've also told you to not lump me into the same pile with you and
Lennie. I give you more credit for having been in a forward area, and
have acknowledged that.

Your mentor's only exposure to any "incomming fire" was required
rifle range time. last I checked RF-burns and paper cuts don't count
for much.

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.

No one doubts his "inside the black box" knowledge, however he
knows almost "diddly squat" about Amatuer Radio practice or policy.
His rants on "Morse Code TESTING" are emotionally based and bear no
relevence to current Amateur employment of the mode.

In other words, "He Just Doesn't Get It".

73

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:



"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult

thing

in order to "win an argument." "


Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

Doesn't look that way to me. It would appear that Len has been hung by
his very words.

Dave K8MN

How's Six Meters? Heard any out of band Frenchmen?

wrote:
From: on Mon,May 23 2005 3:57 am



"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult
thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-)

Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning"
a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-)

Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO!

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

"RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's
where the major international communications networks WERE in
the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a
volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters
for an Army station.

In Jim's circles, there is no "volunteering." You get bad grades and
your waiver goes away. Then the Draftsman comes knocking.

bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

bb wrote:

wrote:




"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult

thing


in order to "win an argument." "


Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

Doesn't look that way to me. It would appear that Len has been hung by
his very words.

Dave K8MN


How's Six Meters? Heard any out of band Frenchmen?

Why would you like to know? Are you operational on 6m?

Dave K8MN

wrote:
wrote:
Was FEC Hq "in danger" from
its "rear-area location?" Depends on what you "4F" types
want to call "danger" from your safe locations in the states.

I was never classified "4F", Len. I still have my draft card, btw.

And your college deferment? marital? fatherhood?

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.

That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. But it must
stop Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost.

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

bb wrote:

wrote:




"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult

thing


in order to "win an argument." "


Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

Doesn't look that way to me. It would appear that Len has been hung by
his very words.

Dave K8MN


How's Six Meters? Heard any out of band Frenchmen?

Why would you like to know? Are you operational on 6m?

Dave K8MN

Just wondering if you're still working out of band Frenchmen on six
meters or if you've curbed your enthusiasm for illegal pileups at any
cost?

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.
Military
and international socio-political politics are another
group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to
be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio
policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which
to make informed opinions or suggestions from.

Whether the discussion is "informed" or not isn't the issue,
Steve. My point was about Len's ability to have *civil*
(as in well-mannered) discussion with those who disagree
with him.

I've tried many times, but Len insists on responding to
my disagreement with direct insults, even though I didn't
insult him. Apparently he sees my disagreement as an insult.

No one doubts his "inside the black box" knowledge,

I do, Steve. Len talks a lot of nomenclature and buzzwords
but when it comes to actually solving practical radio problems
we don't see anything. His articles for ham radio (22 years ago)
were all basic theory, not practical projects.

however he
knows almost "diddly squat" about Amatuer Radio practice or
policy.

Not the point.

His rants on "Morse Code TESTING" are emotionally based and
bear no
relevence to current Amateur employment of the mode.

Obviously.

73 de Jim, N2EY

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.

That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors.

"Mike Powell (and his) predecessors" staff out assignmentss who
ARE informed on the various issues.

But it must Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost.

I may or may not like the politics of Mr Powell, but whether he
has said or done anyhing I didn't like, I can't say he was lying or
obviously being deceitful in his dealings with Amateur Radio.

The same does NOT hold true for Lennie.

Or you.

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.
Military
and international socio-political politics are another
group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to
be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio
policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which
to make informed opinions or suggestions from.

Whether the discussion is "informed" or not isn't the issue,
Steve. My point was about Len's ability to have *civil*
(as in well-mannered) discussion with those who disagree
with him.

Point taken. You're quite right.

I've tried many times, but Len insists on responding to
my disagreement with direct insults, even though I didn't
insult him. Apparently he sees my disagreement as an insult.

Obviously.

Of course his insistance on using diminutives when you clearly
address him with at least the accepted social civility demonstrates
what we've been saying all along.

No one doubts his "inside the black box" knowledge,

I do, Steve. Len talks a lot of nomenclature and buzzwords
but when it comes to actually solving practical radio problems
we don't see anything. His articles for ham radio (22 years ago)
were all basic theory, not practical projects.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....Good point. And when I think back on
it, Lennie fought tooth-and-nail to get involved in a meaningful
discussion on microwave technology.

Part of my persistence in trying to get him to do so, of course,
was directly tied to his suggestion that he and his "engineering
bretheren" had so much to offer Amateur Radio.

Of couse ALL he has offered Amateur Radio are arguments, name
calling and the aforementioned articles in said defunct magazine.

Not THOSE I doubt were his...

however he
knows almost "diddly squat" about Amatuer Radio practice or
policy.

Not the point.

It is when he's humiliating himself by making assinine assertions
that are obviously not rooted in fact.

His rants on "Morse Code TESTING" are emotionally based and
bear no relevence to current Amateur employment of the mode.

Obviously.

Ayup.

73

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.

That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors.

"Mike Powell (and his) predecessors" staff out assignmentss who
ARE informed on the various issues.

Like they were informed about refarming the 220 band to UPS? BPL?

But it must Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost.

I may or may not like the politics of Mr Powell, but whether he
has said or done anyhing I didn't like, I can't say he was lying or
obviously being deceitful in his dealings with Amateur Radio.

The same does NOT hold true for Lennie.

Or you.

Steve, K4YZ

Definitely not you.

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.
Military
and international socio-political politics are another
group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to
be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio
policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which
to make informed opinions or suggestions from.

Whether the discussion is "informed" or not isn't the issue,
Steve. My point was about Len's ability to have *civil*
(as in well-mannered) discussion with those who disagree
with him.

Point taken. You're quite right.

I've tried many times, but Len insists on responding to
my disagreement with direct insults, even though I didn't
insult him. Apparently he sees my disagreement as an insult.

Obviously.

Of course his insistance on using diminutives when you clearly
address him with at least the accepted social civility
demonstrates
what we've been saying all along.

Think about why Len does all that. I call him Len, he calls me
"Jimmie boy" or some such. If I call him a similar name, I would
then validate his behavior. But if I just call him Len, or Mr.
Anderson, his attempt to misdirect fails.

This does not mean letting his mistakes go unchallenged. Nor does
it mean not calling his bull**** what it is.

No one doubts his "inside the black box" knowledge,

I do, Steve. Len talks a lot of nomenclature and buzzwords
but when it comes to actually solving practical radio problems
we don't see anything. His articles for ham radio (22 years
ago)
were all basic theory, not practical projects.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....Good point. And when I think back on
it, Lennie fought tooth-and-nail to get involved in a meaningful
discussion on microwave technology.

Anybody can "discuss" with a little point-and-click research. I'm
talking about actually *doing* something, such as an actual project.

Len will tell you all about some piece of gear he worked on at some job
years ago. But ask him what he has recently built at home, on his own
time, with his own resources, and he's got nothing to show you.

He'll go on and on about "some Extras" at the radio store who didn't
know much about the triple loop PLL system in his R-70 - 22+ years ago.
But in fact he didn't design or build the thing.


Part of my persistence in trying to get him to do so, of course,
was directly tied to his suggestion that he and his "engineering
bretheren" had so much to offer Amateur Radio.

And you bought that line? HAW!

Remember the Tech Plus WA6 guy who used to lecture us here on "no
setasides for legacy modes" "elitism" and "electronic paintball wars"
and such? us all about his engineering expertise in radio (which is
genuine, btw)?

After restructuring, he went and got his Extra - then got on HF SSB
with a manufactured transceiver and proceeded to work DX. He may even
have DXCC by now. Also got a 2x1 vanity call.

Nothing wrong with any of that but it sure was surreal.

Of couse ALL he has offered Amateur Radio are arguments, name
calling and the aforementioned articles in said defunct magazine.

If Len were really interested in microwaves and amateur radio, he'd
have gotten a license years ago. The Tech only required 5 wpm code,
when it had a code test.

Not THOSE I doubt were his...

however he
knows almost "diddly squat" about Amatuer Radio practice or
policy.

Not the point.

It is when he's humiliating himself by making assinine assertions
that are obviously not rooted in fact.

So? Correct his mistakes without behaving the way he does. Or just
ignore him.

73 de Jim, N2EY

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.

That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors.

"Mike Powell (and his) predecessors" staff out assignmentss who
ARE informed on the various issues.

Like they were informed about refarming the 220 band to UPS? BPL?

"UPS" was not the only entity involved in that "deal" Brain, and
Amateur Radio operators are as responsible for that folly as anyone.

We had more than andequate opportunity to get that band "loaded
up" like 2 meters ('Use It Or Lose It") but didn't.

BTW...remember the FIRST 'threat' to the 1.25m band and for what
purpose?

But it must Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost.

I may or may not like the politics of Mr Powell, but whether he
has said or done anyhing I didn't like, I can't say he was lying or
obviously being deceitful in his dealings with Amateur Radio.

The same does NOT hold true for Lennie.

Or you.

Definitely not you.

I've neither lied nor been deceitful in any discussion on Amateur
Radio, Brain.

The same canNOT be said for you and Lennie. Shame on you both.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.

That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors.

"Mike Powell (and his) predecessors" staff out assignmentss who
ARE informed on the various issues.

Like they were informed about refarming the 220 band to UPS? BPL?

"UPS" was not the only entity involved in that "deal" Brain, and
Amateur Radio operators are as responsible for that folly as anyone.

Well, that's one opinion....

We had more than andequate opportunity to get that band "loaded
up" like 2 meters ('Use It Or Lose It") but didn't.

That happened for a bunch of reasons.

First off, 220 is not a ham band by international treaty. It's
primarily land mobile - we get it as a secondary allocation here in
Region 2 because the FCC lets us. Most parts of the world have never
had a band there. That's why it's not used for satellite comms.

And because of the relatively small market, the selection of
manufactured rigs for 220 was and is less than for 2 meters or 440.

All of which means FCC could reallocate some or all of 220 without
waiting for treaty changes.

BTW...remember the FIRST 'threat' to the 1.25m band and for what
purpose?

Yup. It was stopped by two factors: Opposition by hams (including
ARRL), and
disinterest by the users who would supposedly migrate there.

The first threat was from the EIA, who saw an opportunity to sell lots
of new
radios, antennas and accessories, while relieving the congestion on the
existing
allocation. The users didn't like the fact that almost all of their
existing equipment would become useless.

In both cases, the original threat was to the entire band, then part of
it.

Perhaps more amateur activity would have saved 220-222.

But it must Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost.

Fun fact: I haven't seen anyone here tell Len to shut up (as in "shut
the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel") or to go away. But he has done
so several times.

Who is trying to stop who?

I may or may not like the politics of Mr Powell, but whether he
has said or done anyhing I didn't like, I can't say he was lying or
obviously being deceitful in his dealings with Amateur Radio.

C'mon, Steve, anyone who knows a little about radio knows that BPL is a
real
threat to every radio service that uses the same frequencies. Anyone
who
knows a little about the whole theory of why FCC exists knows that one
of its
fundamental purposes is to protect licensed radio services from
avoidable
interference - either from other radio services, or from other
electrical
devices and systems.

All Mr. Powell had to do was look at the measurements and observations
made
by any number of observers - including but not limited to ARRL - and it
was
obvious what would happen. Or look at the experiences in other
countries. Or
declare that *any* interference complaints would result in immediate
BPL system shutdown until the problem was fixed. Instead, the business
model overrode the engineering model.

Perhaps all the outcry from hams and the ARRL may yet carry the day
against
BPL. Note how few systems are actually in operation, and how many have

shut down. Note also how many that were under consideration have not
gone
forward due to the interference issue. Meanwhile, DSL, cable and WiFi
expand
daily.

73 de Jim, N2EY

From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:35 pm

wrote:
From: on Mon,May 23 2005 3:57 am



"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-)

Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning"
a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-)

Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO!

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

"RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's
where the major international communications networks WERE in
the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a
volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters
for an Army station.

In Jim's circles, there is no "volunteering." You get bad grades and
your waiver goes away. Then the Draftsman comes knocking.

Tsk, the "knocking" stopped about 32 years ago. Jimmie has NO
worry. He could sit back in comfortable safety in PA and read
all about the military and international realpolitik without
once having participated in anything. He became a Virtual
military expert without once being IN any branch or working in
any office of the Department of Defense.

Getting to the heart of the matter, Jimmie feels TERRIBLY "insulted"
when one doesn't like what Jimmie likes. The slightest negativistic
opinion to his lofty views of What Should Be is considered a gaffe
of major proportions. He will carry that with him for years and
years, attempting to force a continuing confrontation over long-past
discussion threads...the most others have dropped long ago. :-)

[he is regularly bringing up old, faded postings from Google as
if to continue to "do battle" on those topics forever and ever]

But, staying with old things seems his forte' such as with homebuilt
vacuum tube transmitters "designed" and built in the 1990s...which
(according to him) amazes his neighbors when he can draw schematics
of it and describe details on it from memory. :-) In my career,
I've never encountered any design engineer who couldn't do that on
his/her designs! [Jimmie says he is an engineer...but the closest
he has come to details on that is (from a Comment at the ECFS) "in
the vehicle transportation industry."] [it might be "radio cars"
or something like that?]

Jimmie wants NUMBERS? He is regularly giving some sort of
tabulation
on the "valid licenses" of radio amateurs in the USA. However, he
has not described the sorting program used or which download of the
FCC database used as a base of that tabulation. [slightly over
three quarters of a million records to process] We are to accept
his NUMBERS as "correct" because Jimmie never makes mistakes. All
others, ESPECIALLY those challenging him, always "make mistakes."

Most folks would accept some website that regularly downloads the
huge FCC amateur database, sorts it, and presents gross totals.
Not Jimmie. He wants "massaged" NUMBERS, showing only the "valid"
licensees..."valid" in HIS viewpoint. Jimmie needs MASSAGING
of those NUMBERS in order to "show us" something...and thus we get
the INTERPRETATIONS of those "valid" numbers. It's sort of like
laying-on-of-hands devination, almost mystical, guruistic. No one
dare defy such radio gods...the Wrath of Jimmie will descend upon
the newsgroup years in the future, demanding "discussion" on that
so that Jimmie can "triumph" and be gloriously "correct." :-)

I especially like his "reason" for maintaining the code test for
all amateurs having below-30-MHz operating privileges: "Morse
code is the SECOND-most popular mode on HF, therefore the code
test 'deserves' to remain!" [I'll drop any comments on his plea
for the code test for a "universal language" for amateurs so that
all U.S. ham licensees "can talk to the 'underprivileged' hams
of the world via morse]

He IS persistent to a neurotic degree. Indefatigable although
he never wore "fatigues." Maybe he DOES have a Time Machine? :-)

From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:51 pm

wrote:
wrote:
Was FEC Hq "in danger" from
its "rear-area location?" Depends on what you "4F" types
want to call "danger" from your safe locations in the states.

I was never classified "4F", Len. I still have my draft card, btw.

And your college deferment? marital? fatherhood?

Actually irrelevant...the "draft" ended on 27 January 1973. :-)

Jimmie isn't really old enough to be CONSIDERED for any "draft"
prior to the beginning of 1973, despite his self-portrayal as
a "seasoned old ham." [back to the smokehouse with that one...]

From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:56 pm

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.

That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. But it must
stop Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost.

The Avenging Angle of Dearth is off on another tangent.

Gosh, do you think that "experience" is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY?

The FCC doesn't require ANY staff or commissioners to hold
amateur radio licenses in order to REGULATE U.S. amateur radio!

["Sunnuvagun!" as Hans might remark...]

"Civil discourse" by Sevie (or Stebie, depending on which alter ego
is gabbling) consists of his wanting to crucify me on charges of
something like Treason or Sedition for honoring the members of my
Signal Battalion, continually calling me a "penis head" using a
Yiddish pejorative, and denouncing my knowledge of radio by not
"knowing the truth" about helicopters! :-)

Tsk. The PCTA Extra Double Standard *MUST* prevail to those
"civil discoursairs" ranging the high seas and destroying all
vestiges of discontent in their HOBBY.

I especially like Jimmie's "reason" for retention of the code test:
it is the SECOND most popular mode on ham HF bands, therefore the
test MUST remain!" Sevie (or Stebie) would probably require all
examinees to tap out the words to the Marines Him in morse as well.

"Civility" = total and absolute agreement with whatever the ARRL
publishes, anytime and anywhere.

1984 came and is still with us.

wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:51 pm

wrote:
wrote:
Was FEC Hq "in danger" from
its "rear-area location?" Depends on what you "4F"
types
want to call "danger" from your safe locations in the
states.

I was never classified "4F", Len. I still have my draft
card, btw.

And your college deferment? marital? fatherhood?

Actually irrelevant...the "draft" ended on 27 January
1973. :-)

The last man to be drafted in the USA entered the Army
on June 30, 1973.

Jimmie isn't really old enough to be CONSIDERED for
any "draft"
prior to the beginning of 1973,

I was 18 in April of 1972, Len. I registered and got my
card. Still have it as a reminder of those times.

Marital and parental deferments ended in the 1960s IIRC.
I never had any sort of deferment or exemption from the
draft.

despite his self-portrayal as
a "seasoned old ham."

I've been an active radio amateur for 37-1/2 years. I've
never described myself as a "seasoned old ham".

You aren't even a beginner in ham radio, Len. A grade
schooler with a brand new Technician license is more
qualified as a radio amateur than you are.

From: on Thurs,May 26 2005 4:35 am

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:


Whether the discussion is "informed" or not isn't the issue,
Steve. My point was about Len's ability to have *civil*
(as in well-mannered) discussion with those who disagree
with him.

Point taken. You're quite right.

I've tried many times, but Len insists on responding to
my disagreement with direct insults, even though I didn't
insult him. Apparently he sees my disagreement as an insult.

Obviously.

Of course his insistance on using diminutives when you clearly
address him with at least the accepted social civility
demonstrates what we've been saying all along.

Think about why Len does all that.

Heh heh heh. It couldn't be because of Robeson calling me
penis head in Yiddish or now trying to level a charge of
"shame" on my military service record? :-)

But if I just call him Len, or Mr.
Anderson, his attempt to misdirect fails.

Sir James, you need not bow but you can quit trying to give
me the finger...! :-)

This does not mean letting his mistakes go unchallenged. Nor does
it mean not calling his bull**** what it is.

Ah...there it is...ANY disagreement with Sir James of Miccolis
is "bull****!" :-)

No one doubts his "inside the black box" knowledge,

I do, Steve. Len talks a lot of nomenclature and buzzwords
but when it comes to actually solving practical radio problems
we don't see anything. His articles for ham radio (22 years
ago) were all basic theory, not practical projects.

That's "simply untrue," your most esteemed noble highness
Sir James of Miccolis. Tsk, tsk, tsk, you haven't read
beyond your ham publications! :-)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....Good point. And when I think back on
it, Lennie fought tooth-and-nail to get involved in a meaningful
discussion on microwave technology.

Tsk, tsk. Stebie has been told a MILLION times not to
exaggerate! :-)

Anybody can "discuss" with a little point-and-click research. I'm
talking about actually *doing* something, such as an actual project.

Tsk. Jimmie is invited to the Long Beach, CA, International
Microwave Symposium during the entire second week of June this
year. "Actual projects!" :-)

Len will tell you all about some piece of gear he worked on at some job
years ago. But ask him what he has recently built at home, on his own
time, with his own resources, and he's got nothing to show you.

WHY must Sir James "be shown?" Does that have anything to do
with unexpected ungratuitous compliments not received for his
"state of the art" amateur radio transmitter using vacuum
tubes and done in the 1990s? The one where his neighbors
were amazed at his knowledge and description of that "project?"
:-)

He'll go on and on about "some Extras" at the radio store who didn't
know much about the triple loop PLL system in his R-70 - 22+ years ago.
But in fact he didn't design or build the thing.

Tsk. Mention something just twice in here and Sir Jimmie puts
the label of "going on and on about it!" :-)

So, how many "projects" has Jimmie designed and built using
PLLs? Or DDSs?

How many "radios" has Jimmie designed/built at his work?
Especially those NOT done from kits...?



Nothing wrong with any of that but it sure was surreal.

Tsk. ANYTHING not done in the "accepted traditional" way is
"surreal" to Sir James of the Nobel Houses of PA.

Of couse ALL he has offered Amateur Radio are arguments, name
calling and the aforementioned articles in said defunct magazine.

That's "simply untrue," Pilot In Command Stebie...[search Google]

If Len were really interested in microwaves and amateur radio, he'd
have gotten a license years ago. The Tech only required 5 wpm code,
when it had a code test.

Tsk, tsk, tsk! Jimmie gonna have a fit now, I did it differently.
Was a supervisor of microwave radio relay terminals in 1954-1956
while in the Army, terminals operating at 1.8 GHz. Then I got a
First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Operator License (only
one exam) in 1956, entered the California aerospace industry first
working at Hughes Aircraft Company in El Segundo, CA, worked some
more at microwaves (up in X-Band region) as well as from DC on up
to microwaves. So far, there wasn't any need to learn morse code
or "pass any morse code test" to transmit. Not even in 1960 when
I was working on Ka-Band microwave equipment (as well as UHF high
power sources). Class D CB was authorized in 1958 and that rather
ended any need for a "ham license" to use a voice transceiver.
Tsk. I've since transmitted from VLF on up to microwaves, in LF,
MF, HF, VHF, UHF on land, in the air, on the water, all without
having to pass any amateur radio license or pass any morse
code test! ["Sunnuvagun!"] All very LEGAL. [I won't go "on and
on" about actually being the co-owner of a business radio on high
VHF because Judge James doesn't approve of non-amateur things]

Well, Judge Sir James of the Noble Houses of CW decrees that I
shall NOT ever set foot in here without expressing some personal
desire of obtaining an amateur radio license! [he ate too many
torts, I think, either that or his legal briefs are too tight]

Tsk, tsk, Tsk, TSK...all I'm trying to do is argue against the
retention of the morse code test in federal regulations on U.S.
amateur radio. Instead, I am called names (in Yiddish by non-
Yiddish speakers), accused of Sedition and Treason Against The
State, and told that my opinions are "simply not true!"


Not THOSE I doubt were his...

however he
knows almost "diddly squat" about Amatuer Radio practice or
policy.

Not the point.

How about the Avenging Angle of Dearth's continual typos of
"amatuer" for 'amateur?' :-)


It is when he's humiliating himself by making assinine assertions
that are obviously not rooted in fact.

So? Correct his mistakes without behaving the way he does. Or just
ignore him.

Tsk, tsk. Stebie CANNOT ignore anyone. He is emotionally
volatile and triggers off faster than a vial of nitroglycerine
in a blender. Stebie shouts and hollers and insults and even
speaks in tongues, defaming ANYONE disagreeing with him! :-)

Ah, but there is now Love and Harmony in the PCTA Extra Double
Standard bearers. Jimmie now condones Stebie's actions. Of
course all of those PCTA Extras are examples of U.S. "Amatuer"
Radio, defending tradition and their tree house as if they had
all taken an Oath to Defend the Constitution (of the ARRL)
against ALL "enemies," with their Lives if necessary! :-)

Judge Sir James, Night of the Noble Houses of CW, keep
defending the NEED for the morse code test because it is the
SECOND-most-popular mode on HF ham bands! Be sure and spit on
any U.S. military veterans who don't love and cherish morse
code on Memorial Day. That's a good Night. Goodnight.

From: K4YZ on May 24, 2:42 am


Your vileness in the face of the looming Memorial Day is even more
emphatic than usual...even for you.


...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary
figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely
path
of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron in the
other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air,
interspersed
with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet extinct. The
Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep in the valley of
neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single sentinel counts
cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux you" between the slow
steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do bottle but only sipping a
cup of unkindness. It is sad but the sentinel at the Tomb of the
Unknown Solder keeps going. He does not know why and that is the
tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder
leaving only the red light of fire in the eyes of the muttering
sentinel. Those glow in the dark like LED pilot lights. Hatred
lives on in his twilight of despair.

Temper fry.

wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.

That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors.

"Mike Powell (and his) predecessors" staff out assignmentss who
ARE informed on the various issues.

Like they were informed about refarming the 220 band to UPS? BPL?

"UPS" was not the only entity involved in that "deal" Brain, and
Amateur Radio operators are as responsible for that folly as anyone.

Well, that's one opinion....

We had more than andequate opportunity to get that band "loaded
up" like 2 meters ('Use It Or Lose It") but didn't.

That happened for a bunch of reasons.

First off, 220 is not a ham band by international treaty. It's
primarily land mobile - we get it as a secondary allocation here in
Region 2 because the FCC lets us. Most parts of the world have never
had a band there. That's why it's not used for satellite comms.

And because of the relatively small market, the selection of
manufactured rigs for 220 was and is less than for 2 meters or 440.

All of which means FCC could reallocate some or all of 220 without
waiting for treaty changes.

BTW...remember the FIRST 'threat' to the 1.25m band and for what
purpose?

Yup. It was stopped by two factors: Opposition by hams (including
ARRL), and
disinterest by the users who would supposedly migrate there.

The first threat was from the EIA, who saw an opportunity to sell lots
of new
radios, antennas and accessories, while relieving the congestion on the
existing
allocation. The users didn't like the fact that almost all of their
existing equipment would become useless.

In both cases, the original threat was to the entire band, then part of
it.

Perhaps more amateur activity would have saved 220-222.

But it must Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost.

Fun fact: I haven't seen anyone here tell Len to shut up (as in "shut
the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel") or to go away. But he has done
so several times.

Who is trying to stop who?

I may or may not like the politics of Mr Powell, but whether he
has said or done anyhing I didn't like, I can't say he was lying or
obviously being deceitful in his dealings with Amateur Radio.

C'mon, Steve, anyone who knows a little about radio knows that BPL is a
real
threat to every radio service that uses the same frequencies. Anyone
who
knows a little about the whole theory of why FCC exists knows that one
of its
fundamental purposes is to protect licensed radio services from
avoidable
interference - either from other radio services, or from other
electrical
devices and systems.

All Mr. Powell had to do was look at the measurements and observations
made
by any number of observers - including but not limited to ARRL - and it
was
obvious what would happen. Or look at the experiences in other
countries. Or
declare that *any* interference complaints would result in immediate
BPL system shutdown until the problem was fixed. Instead, the business
model overrode the engineering model.

Perhaps all the outcry from hams and the ARRL may yet carry the day
against
BPL. Note how few systems are actually in operation, and how many have

shut down. Note also how many that were under consideration have not
gone
forward due to the interference issue. Meanwhile, DSL, cable and WiFi
expand
daily.

73 de Jim, N2EY

So in the end, Jim confirms that Steve's "assertion of fact," i.e.,
"Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from" doesn't stop anyone else from
making uninformed decision which changes all of ham radio. So if Mike
Powell can have an uninformed opinion, why can't anyone else?

wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:51 pm

wrote:
wrote:
Was FEC Hq "in danger" from
its "rear-area location?" Depends on what you "4F" types
want to call "danger" from your safe locations in the states.

I was never classified "4F", Len. I still have my draft card, btw.

And your college deferment? marital? fatherhood?

Actually irrelevant...the "draft" ended on 27 January 1973. :-)

Jimmie isn't really old enough to be CONSIDERED for any "draft"
prior to the beginning of 1973, despite his self-portrayal as
a "seasoned old ham." [back to the smokehouse with that one...]



He has a "draft card." I guess if he gets it punched five times, the
sixth beer is free?

From: "bb" on Thurs,May 26 2005 6:12 pm

wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

73 de Jim, N2EY

So in the end, Jim confirms that Steve's "assertion of fact," i.e.,
"Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from" doesn't stop anyone else from
making uninformed decision which changes all of ham radio. So if Mike
Powell can have an uninformed opinion, why can't anyone else?

Nobody can unless they've taken a code test. Mikey Powell
didn't so Judge Sir James of Morsemanhall forced him to
resign... :-)

beep, beep

wrote:
From: on Thurs,May 26 2005 4:35 am

No one doubts his "inside the black box" knowledge,

I do, Steve. Len talks a lot of nomenclature and buzzwords
but when it comes to actually solving practical radio problems
we don't see anything. His articles for ham radio (22 years
ago) were all basic theory, not practical projects.

That's "simply untrue," your most esteemed noble highness
Sir James of Miccolis. Tsk, tsk, tsk, you haven't read
beyond your ham publications!

Ahhhhhh....But Lennie, as YOU have been pointing out, THIS forum
is about AMATEUR RADIO...

And at least three of us have been challenging you to present some
sort of reference to something you've done RECENTLY for "radio"...

I'd call anything in the last 5 years "recent".

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....Good point. And when I think back on
it, Lennie fought tooth-and-nail to get involved in a meaningful
discussion on microwave technology.

Tsk, tsk. Stebie has been told a MILLION times not to
exaggerate!

No exaggeration.

You made the claim that all your engineering bretheren could offer
so much to Amatuer Radio. Then we asked YOU to ante up on some of
that.

You balked.

Anybody can "discuss" with a little point-and-click research. I'm
talking about actually *doing* something, such as an actual project.

Tsk. Jimmie is invited to the Long Beach, CA, International
Microwave Symposium during the entire second week of June this
year. "Actual projects!"

But none by Leonard H. Anderson and certainly none by Leonard H.
Anderson related to Amateur Radio.

Not a one.

Of couse ALL he has offered Amateur Radio are arguments, name
calling and the aforementioned articles in said defunct magazine.

That's "simply untrue," Pilot In Command Stebie...[search Google]

All you have offered Amateur Radio is argument and insult.

If Len were really interested in microwaves and amateur radio, he'd
have gotten a license years ago. The Tech only required 5 wpm code,
when it had a code test.

Tsk, tsk, tsk! Jimmie gonna have a fit now, I did it differently.
Was a supervisor of microwave radio relay terminals in 1954-1956
while in the Army, terminals operating at 1.8 GHz...(SNIP)

Usual "...back in 1954..." story line.

Not a single Amateur Radio relevent item.

So? Correct his mistakes without behaving the way he does. Or just
ignore him.

Tsk, tsk. Stebie CANNOT ignore anyone. He is emotionally
volatile and triggers off faster than a vial of nitroglycerine
in a blender. Stebie shouts and hollers and insults and even
speaks in tongues, defaming ANYONE disagreeing with him!

What defamation, Lennie?

You're a liar. Been caught dozens of times.

You're not an Amateur Radio licensee. Siad you'd GET an Amateur
license, but never did.

Your SOLE purpose here is as combative-antagonist.

You're the RRAP version of Iraqui "insurgents"....Most are not
even Iraqui, and just come in form other places to get into a fight.

Ah, but there is now Love and Harmony in the PCTA Extra Double
Standard bearers. Jimmie now condones Stebie's actions.

What "actions"...?!?! Calling a liar a liar? What's wrong with
that?

Be sure and spit on
any U.S. military veterans who don't love and cherish morse
code on Memorial Day.

I've restrained myself on a lot of my adjectives of choice,
Lennie, but that comment warrants the re-issuance of the title
"scumbag" upon your shouders.

You brazenly wordsmith yourself into familiarity with Soldiers who
died in combat before you were ever in the service, then claim victim
status as a "veteran" when it suits you for your own emotional
handwringing.

FYI, Lennie...Since your offering of a middle finger salute the
other day I've started collecting caffinated drinks...I'll have a very
special 'salute' for YOUR funeral...(Hint to Mrs Lennie...wear
Scotchguarded footwear that day...)

Steve, K4YZ