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[email protected] May 27th 05 10:30 PM

wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:35 pm


wrote:
From:
on Mon,May 23 2005 3:57 am



"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-)

Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning"
a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-)

Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO!

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

"RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's
where the major international communications networks WERE in
the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a
volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters
for an Army station.


In Jim's circles, there is no "volunteering." You get bad grades and
your waiver goes away. Then the Draftsman comes knocking.


Tsk, the "knocking" stopped about 32 years ago. Jimmie has NO
worry. He could sit back in comfortable safety in PA and read
all about the military and international realpolitik without
once having participated in anything.


How many Soviet aircraft did you see when you were in Japan in the
1950s, Len?

He became a Virtual
military expert without once being IN any branch or working in
any office of the Department of Defense.


I don't claim to be an expert in anything.

You've never been "IN" amateur radio, yet you want to tell us How It
Should Be.

Getting to the heart of the matter, Jimmie feels TERRIBLY "insulted"
when one doesn't like what Jimmie likes.


Not true. You're the one who calls people names, and tells them to shut
up
if they don't agree with you.

[he is regularly bringing up old, faded postings from Google as
if to continue to "do battle" on those topics forever and ever]


Gee, Len, you bring up even older and more faded stuff about defunct
ham radio magazines and your experiences of a half-century ago. Why
is it OK for you to rehash events of 20, 30, 50 years ago, but not
OK for others to remind you of the events of 2 or 3 years past?

Seems like a double standard on your part.


Jimmie wants NUMBERS? He is regularly giving some sort of
tabulation
on the "valid licenses" of radio amateurs in the USA.


No, I'm not. You're mistaken, Len. Wrong again.

The numbers I post here twice a month are those of current, unexpired
FCC amateur licenses held by individuals. That's stated in each post.
The word
valid is not used to describe them.

You've claimed that FCC doesn't use the word "expired" to describe
licenses in the grace period, but Part 97 shows that you're wrong on
that.

However, he
has not described the sorting program used or which download of the
FCC database used as a base of that tabulation. [slightly over
three quarters of a million records to process]


So? You've posted the numbers from hamdata.com without describing how
they are generated.

We are to accept
his NUMBERS as "correct" because Jimmie never makes mistakes. All
others, ESPECIALLY those challenging him, always "make mistakes."


That's just not true, Len.

Most folks would accept some website that regularly downloads the
huge FCC amateur database, sorts it, and presents gross totals.


Then why don't you accept the numbers I post?

Not Jimmie. He wants "massaged" NUMBERS, showing only the "valid"
licensees..."valid" in HIS viewpoint.


Nope.

The numbers I post come from a website that regularly downloads the
huge FCC amateur database, sorts it, and presents gross totals. All I
do is copy them and post them here.

No "massaging".

Jimmie needs MASSAGING
of those NUMBERS in order to "show us" something...and thus we get
the INTERPRETATIONS of those "valid" numbers.


How? The numbers are what they are.

I especially like his "reason" for maintaining the code test for
all amateurs having below-30-MHz operating privileges: "Morse
code is the SECOND-most popular mode on HF, therefore the code
test 'deserves' to remain!"


I'm glad you like it, Len. It's a really good, valid reason to keep a
test of basic Morse Code skill for an amateur radio license.


[email protected] May 27th 05 10:57 PM

wrote:
From:
on Thurs,May 26 2005 4:35 am

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:


Whether the discussion is "informed" or not isn't the issue,
Steve. My point was about Len's ability to have *civil*
(as in well-mannered) discussion with those who disagree
with him.

Point taken. You're quite right.

I've tried many times, but Len insists on responding to
my disagreement with direct insults, even though I didn't
insult him. Apparently he sees my disagreement as an insult.

Obviously.

Of course his insistance on using diminutives when you clearly
address him with at least the accepted social civility
demonstrates what we've been saying all along.


Think about why Len does all that.


Heh heh heh. It couldn't be because of Robeson calling me
penis head in Yiddish or now trying to level a charge of
"shame" on my military service record? :-)


Maybe. Trouble is, Len, you respond to everyone who disagrees with you
in the same way, whether they call you such names or not.

You and Steve have been insulting each other steadily for years now. It
would be interesting to go back in Google and see which of you started
that game. Of course, you won't do that.

But if I just call him Len, or Mr.
Anderson, his attempt to misdirect fails.


Sir James, you need not bow but you can quit trying to give
me the finger...! :-)


Where am I trying to give you anything, Len?

This does not mean letting his mistakes go unchallenged. Nor does
it mean not calling his bull**** what it is.


Ah...there it is...ANY disagreement with Sir James of Miccolis
is "bull****!" :-)


Nope. I just call your bull**** what it is.

No one doubts his "inside the black box" knowledge,

I do, Steve. Len talks a lot of nomenclature and buzzwords
but when it comes to actually solving practical radio problems
we don't see anything. His articles for ham radio (22 years
ago) were all basic theory, not practical projects.


That's "simply untrue," your most esteemed noble highness
Sir James of Miccolis. Tsk, tsk, tsk, you haven't read
beyond your ham publications! :-)


Sure I have - but that's not the point. When it comes to solving
practical
amateur radio problems, you don't have anything to show us.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....Good point. And when I think back on
it, Lennie fought tooth-and-nail to get involved in a meaningful
discussion on microwave technology.


Tsk, tsk. Stebie has been told a MILLION times not to
exaggerate! :-)

Anybody can "discuss" with a little point-and-click research. I'm
talking about actually *doing* something, such as an actual project.


Tsk. Jimmie is invited to the Long Beach, CA, International
Microwave Symposium during the entire second week of June this
year. "Actual projects!" :-)


By whom, Len?

Len will tell you all about some piece of gear he worked on at some job
years ago. But ask him what he has recently built at home, on his own
time, with his own resources, and he's got nothing to show you.


WHY must Sir James "be shown?"


You don't have anything to show, do you, Len?

He'll go on and on about "some Extras" at the radio store who didn't
know much about the triple loop PLL system in his R-70 - 22+ years ago.
But in fact he didn't design or build the thing.


Tsk. Mention something just twice in here and Sir Jimmie puts
the label of "going on and on about it!" :-)


You've told the story many times, Len.

So, how many "projects" has Jimmie designed and built using
PLLs? Or DDSs?


How many Soviet aircraft did you see when you were in Japan in the
1950s, Len?

How many amateur radio receivers, transmitters or transmitters have you
designed and built, Len?

How many of your articles for ham radio magazine were for construction
projects?

How many "radios" has Jimmie designed/built at his work?
Especially those NOT done from kits...?


How many have you designed and built at home with your own resources,
Len?

Of couse ALL he has offered Amateur Radio are arguments, name
calling and the aforementioned articles in said defunct magazine.


That's "simply untrue," Pilot In Command Stebie...[search Google]


I have. It's true. You don't have anything practical to show us.

If Len were really interested in microwaves and amateur radio, he'd
have gotten a license years ago. The Tech only required 5 wpm code,
when it had a code test.


Tsk, tsk, tsk! Jimmie gonna have a fit now, I did it differently.


Yes, your fits are very different...

Was a supervisor of microwave radio relay terminals in 1954-1956
while in the Army, terminals operating at 1.8 GHz.


There you go, rehashing the past again.

Did you design and build the microwave equipment, or just install and
maintain it?

Did you teach yourself how to do the job, or work your way through
school, or did you learn on the taxpayer's tab?

Did you pay for any of the equipment or other resources, or was it all
provided free for your use to do the job?


Then I got a
First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Operator License (only
one exam) in 1956, entered the California aerospace industry first
working at Hughes Aircraft Company in El Segundo, CA, worked some
more at microwaves (up in X-Band region) as well as from DC on up
to microwaves. So far, there wasn't any need to learn morse code
or "pass any morse code test" to transmit.


And none of it was amateur radio.

Not even in 1960 when
I was working on Ka-Band microwave equipment (as well as UHF high
power sources).


Not ham radio either.

Class D CB was authorized in 1958 and that rather
ended any need for a "ham license" to use a voice transceiver.


On a few channels, using low-power type-accepted equipment.

Tsk. I've since transmitted from VLF on up to microwaves, in LF,
MF, HF, VHF, UHF on land, in the air, on the water, all without
having to pass any amateur radio license or pass any morse
code test! ["Sunnuvagun!"] All very LEGAL.


None of it amateur radio. Almost all of it on someone else's station
license, with someone else paying the way.

Well, Judge Sir James of the Noble Houses of CW decrees that I
shall NOT ever set foot in here without expressing some personal
desire of obtaining an amateur radio license!


Simply not true, Len. I've never told you nor anyone else here to shut
up. Nor have I ever said that a license is required to post here.

You, on the other hand, have told people here to shut up, go away, etc.

Tsk, tsk, Tsk, TSK...all I'm trying to do is argue against the
retention of the morse code test in federal regulations on U.S.
amateur radio.


Then why all of your commentary on other, nonrelated subjects, Len? You
go on and on about things completely unrelated to the Morse Code test.

Instead, I am called names (in Yiddish by non-
Yiddish speakers), accused of Sedition and Treason Against The
State,


Not by me!

and told that my opinions are "simply not true!"


Some of your statements here are not based on fact. Like the claim that

FCC doesn't use the word "expired" to describe licenses in the grace
period.

Not THOSE I doubt were his...

however he
knows almost "diddly squat" about Amatuer Radio practice or
policy.

Not the point.


It is when he's humiliating himself by making assinine assertions
that are obviously not rooted in fact.

So? Correct his mistakes without behaving the way he does. Or just
ignore him.


Tsk, tsk. Stebie CANNOT ignore anyone. He is emotionally
volatile and triggers off faster than a vial of nitroglycerine
in a blender. Stebie shouts and hollers and insults and even
speaks in tongues, defaming ANYONE disagreeing with him! :-)


Just like *you*, Len. I think you like it - you *want* others to behave
the way you do.

I won't do that, which seems to really tick you off.

Ah, but there is now Love and Harmony in the PCTA Extra Double
Standard bearers. Jimmie now condones Stebie's actions.


Not all of them. Where do you get that idea?

Judge Sir James, Night of the Noble Houses of CW, keep
defending the NEED for the morse code test because it is the
SECOND-most-popular mode on HF ham bands!


I will! It's a good, sound, valid reason for a test of basic skill. Not
the only reason by any means, though.

Be sure and spit on
any U.S. military veterans who don't love and cherish morse
code on Memorial Day.


I don't "spit on" any US military veterans, Len.


[email protected] May 27th 05 11:08 PM

From: "K4YZ" on Fri 27 May 2005 06:02

wrote:
From: on Thurs,May 26 2005 4:35 am




I've restrained myself on a lot of my adjectives of choice,
Lennie, but that comment warrants the re-issuance of the title
"scumbag" upon your shouders.

You brazenly wordsmith yourself into familiarity with Soldiers who
died in combat before you were ever in the service, then claim victim
status as a "veteran" when it suits you for your own emotional
handwringing.

FYI, Lennie...Since your offering of a middle finger salute the
other day I've started collecting caffinated drinks...I'll have a very
special 'salute' for YOUR funeral...(Hint to Mrs Lennie...wear
Scotchguarded footwear that day...)


...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary
figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely
path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron
in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air,
interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet
extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep
in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single
sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux
you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do
bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the
sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does
not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the
Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in
the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like
LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair.

Temper fry.


bb May 28th 05 01:39 AM



wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:56 pm

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.


That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. But it must
stop Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost.


The Avenging Angle of Dearth is off on another tangent.


The Tangential Gunny. Smokey Bear hat is tilted.

Gosh, do you think that "experience" is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY?


If it is, then Steve can no longer speak of MARS.

The FCC doesn't require ANY staff or commissioners to hold
amateur radio licenses in order to REGULATE U.S. amateur radio!

["Sunnuvagun!" as Hans might remark...]


Steven J. Robeson is free to petition his government.

"Civil discourse" by Sevie (or Stebie, depending on which alter ego
is gabbling) consists of his wanting to crucify me on charges of
something like Treason or Sedition for honoring the members of my
Signal Battalion, continually calling me a "penis head" using a
Yiddish pejorative, and denouncing my knowledge of radio by not
"knowing the truth" about helicopters! :-)


Steven J. Robeson will disqualify you under every circumstance. He's
the original mean mistreater.

Tsk. The PCTA Extra Double Standard *MUST* prevail to those
"civil discoursairs" ranging the high seas


and the low seas.

and destroying all
vestiges of discontent in their HOBBY.


CW gets through when everything else will.

I especially like Jimmie's "reason" for retention of the code test:
it is the SECOND most popular mode on ham HF bands, therefore the
test MUST remain!"


Way back when amateurs had tails, and the Morse Code was the ONLY
mode, there was no morse code test.

Sevie (or Stebie) would probably require all
examinees to tap out the words to the Marines Him in morse as well.


If they miss a beat, they will forever be known as a LIAR and a Gay Man
(standard Steve way of dealing with discontinuity in his personal
life).

"Civility" = total and absolute agreement with whatever the ARRL
publishes, anytime and anywhere.

1984 came and is still with us.



I read 1984 during the 1983 holidays. There's a lot of Steve in there.


bb May 28th 05 01:59 AM



wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:35 pm


wrote:
From:
on Mon,May 23 2005 3:57 am



"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-)

Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning"
a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-)

Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO!

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

"RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's
where the major international communications networks WERE in
the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a
volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters
for an Army station.

In Jim's circles, there is no "volunteering." You get bad grades and
your waiver goes away. Then the Draftsman comes knocking.


Tsk, the "knocking" stopped about 32 years ago. Jimmie has NO
worry. He could sit back in comfortable safety in PA and read
all about the military and international realpolitik without
once having participated in anything.


How many Soviet aircraft did you see when you were in Japan in the
1950s, Len?


I've seen Soviet aircraft without being overseas. I've seen them on
RADAR penetrating CONUS airspace.

So where were you when you saw Soviet aircraft? How did you serve?

He became a Virtual
military expert without once being IN any branch or working in
any office of the Department of Defense.


I don't claim to be an expert in anything.


That would probably be for the best.

You've never been "IN" amateur radio, yet you want to tell us How It
Should Be.


When you merely want to exclude people??? I've no problem with him
anything he might say to you with your kind of attitude.

Getting to the heart of the matter, Jimmie feels TERRIBLY "insulted"
when one doesn't like what Jimmie likes.


Not true. You're the one who calls people names, and tells them to shut
up
if they don't agree with you.


Jim calls them jackasses.

[he is regularly bringing up old, faded postings from Google as
if to continue to "do battle" on those topics forever and ever]


Gee, Len, you bring up even older and more faded stuff about


Highly respected...

defunct
ham radio magazines and your experiences of a half-century ago.


Every issue of QST has excerpts from half a century ago. I've never,
ever, ever seen you complain. Ever.

Why
is it OK for you to rehash events of 20, 30, 50 years ago, but not
OK for others to remind you of the events of 2 or 3 years past?


Because you say it isn't OK for Len to remind you of events of 50 years
ago, but never comment when the ARRL does it.

Seems like a double standard on your part.


Double-standard, indeed. That could be your middle name.

Jimmie wants NUMBERS? He is regularly giving some sort of
tabulation
on the "valid licenses" of radio amateurs in the USA.


No, I'm not. You're mistaken, Len. Wrong again.


Are you absolutely, positively sure?

The numbers I post here twice a month are those of current, unexpired
FCC amateur licenses held by individuals. That's stated in each post.
The word
valid is not used to describe them.


They are invalid numbers? They are invalid licenses?


bb May 28th 05 02:02 AM



wrote:
From: "bb" on Thurs,May 26 2005 6:12 pm

wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:


73 de Jim, N2EY


So in the end, Jim confirms that Steve's "assertion of fact," i.e.,
"Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from" doesn't stop anyone else from
making uninformed decision which changes all of ham radio. So if Mike
Powell can have an uninformed opinion, why can't anyone else?


Nobody can unless they've taken a code test. Mikey Powell
didn't so Judge Sir James of Morsemanhall forced him to
resign... :-)

beep, beep



They're so full of excrement.


[email protected] May 28th 05 09:09 PM

From: on Fri 27 May 2005 14:30

wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:35 pm


wrote:
From:
on Mon,May 23 2005 3:57 am



He became a Virtual
military expert without once being IN any branch or working in
any office of the Department of Defense.


I don't claim to be an expert in anything.


Now, now, you are being toooo modest... :-)

You've never been "IN" amateur radio, yet you want to tell us How It
Should Be.


That's simply untrue. :-)

But...one just cannot tell a PCTA Extra anything. :-)

Getting to the heart of the matter, Jimmie feels TERRIBLY "insulted"
when one doesn't like what Jimmie likes.


Not true. You're the one who calls people names, and tells them to shut up
if they don't agree with you.


Tsk, tsk. Someone like that should be removed from this
newsgroup "clubhouse," shouldn't they? :-)

You can begin by removing some 1x2 Extras in here, such
as the one always calling his "opponents" for "Putz."

[he is regularly bringing up old, faded postings from Google as
if to continue to "do battle" on those topics forever and ever]


Gee, Len, you bring up even older and more faded stuff about defunct
ham radio magazines and your experiences of a half-century ago.


Tsk, tsk, tsk, perhaps because I actually DID those things
and you did not? Awwww....

Why is it OK for you to rehash events of 20, 30, 50 years ago, but not
OK for others to remind you of the events of 2 or 3 years past?


Who said "it isn't OK?" Jimmie, you do that all the time
lapsing back to your teenage years and that MIGHTY TEST
for an AMATEUR radio license!

Seems like a double standard on your part.


Awwwww...you seeing double all the time, Jimmie? Yes you
are. Get some medical attention. See Dr. Robeson, both of
him, maybe some of his other alter egos...he has the
"qualifications" to do things. He says.

Jimmie wants NUMBERS? He is regularly giving some sort of
tabulation on the "valid licenses" of radio amateurs in the USA.


No, I'm not. You're mistaken, Len. Wrong again.


They aren't tabulations?!? Are you MAKING THOSE UP?!?!?

The numbers I post here twice a month are those of current, unexpired
FCC amateur licenses held by individuals. That's stated in each post.
The word valid is not used to describe them.


So...where do those NUMBERS come from?

You've claimed that FCC doesn't use the word "expired" to describe
licenses in the grace period, but Part 97 shows that you're wrong on
that.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. There's a GRACE PERIOD, Jimmie. That's in
the regulations. Do you mean each "expired" licensee has to
RETEST? Say goodnight "gracie?" Grazie...

So? You've posted the numbers from hamdata.com without describing how
they are generated.


That's simply untrue, Jimmie.

We are to accept
his NUMBERS as "correct" because Jimmie never makes mistakes. All
others, ESPECIALLY those challenging him, always "make mistakes."


That's just not true, Len.


So...you DO make mistakes?!? Who would have thought that....?

Most folks would accept some website that regularly downloads the
huge FCC amateur database, sorts it, and presents gross totals.


Then why don't you accept the numbers I post?


Tsk. You don't accept
www.hamdata.com numbers.

Not Jimmie. He wants "massaged" NUMBERS, showing only the "valid"
licensees..."valid" in HIS viewpoint.


Nope.

The numbers I post come from a website that regularly downloads the
huge FCC amateur database, sorts it, and presents gross totals. All I
do is copy them and post them here.


WHICH website, Jimmie? How can we trust your "honesty"
in anything when you make so many mistakes?

No "massaging".


Your medium is the massage.

Jimmie needs MASSAGING
of those NUMBERS in order to "show us" something...and thus we get
the INTERPRETATIONS of those "valid" numbers.


How? The numbers are what they are.


Tsk, tsk, it's the editorial commentary that you add... :-)

I especially like his "reason" for maintaining the code test for
all amateurs having below-30-MHz operating privileges: "Morse
code is the SECOND-most popular mode on HF, therefore the code
test 'deserves' to remain!"


I'm glad you like it, Len.


That's simply untrue, Jimmie.

It's a really good, valid reason to keep a
test of basic Morse Code skill for an amateur radio license.


It's your bull**** OPINION, Jimmie. NOT a "fact."

It's not an international requirement. It's not something that
the FCC thinks is necessary for amateur license grants. They
keep it in the rules because the PCTA lobbyists from ARRL and
other olde-tymers insist/demand it is "necessary" (because they
HAD to pass it), and because amateur radio isn't that important
to address rules changes right now.

Enjoy the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society) in all its
beepery. Keep on recreating the pioneer days in radio that
you were never a part of, poor guy. Hold those ancient
traditions, standards, and practices forever...make sure
nothing is changed and keep on saying to hell with newcomers,
make them work like Jimmie did as a teenager. After all,
wasn't amateur radio created in YOUR image? :-)




[email protected] May 28th 05 09:13 PM

wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:35 pm


wrote:
From:
on Mon,May 23 2005 3:57 am



"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-)

Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning"
a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-)

Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO!

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

"RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's
where the major international communications networks WERE in
the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a
volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters
for an Army station.

In Jim's circles, there is no "volunteering." You get bad grades and
your waiver goes away. Then the Draftsman comes knocking.

Tsk, the "knocking" stopped about 32 years ago. Jimmie has NO
worry. He could sit back in comfortable safety in PA and read
all about the military and international realpolitik without
once having participated in anything.


How many Soviet aircraft did you see when you were in Japan in the
1950s, Len?


Only one, but at a distance, couldn't get close enough to read
any manufacturer's tags on the airframe of the MiG. From a
North Korean defector who flew it to South Korea, was in display
at a USAF base on Honshu.

I've seen Soviet aircraft without being overseas. I've seen them on
RADAR penetrating CONUS airspace.

So where were you when you saw Soviet aircraft? How did you serve?


Jimmie did proofreading on the Brit series "Janes All The World
Aircraft." Did that at the local public library.

He became a Virtual
military expert without once being IN any branch or working in
any office of the Department of Defense.


I don't claim to be an expert in anything.


That would probably be for the best.


Ah, but he comes ON like the CEO of the newsgroup. :-)

You've never been "IN" amateur radio, yet you want to tell us How It
Should Be.


When you merely want to exclude people??? I've no problem with him
anything he might say to you with your kind of attitude.


Jimmie needs to be newsgroup CEO.

Getting to the heart of the matter, Jimmie feels TERRIBLY "insulted"
when one doesn't like what Jimmie likes.


Not true. You're the one who calls people names, and tells them to shut up
if they don't agree with you.


Jim calls them jackasses.


PCTA Extra Double Standard. QED.

[he is regularly bringing up old, faded postings from Google as
if to continue to "do battle" on those topics forever and ever]


Gee, Len, you bring up even older and more faded stuff about


Highly respected...

defunct
ham radio magazines and your experiences of a half-century ago.


Every issue of QST has excerpts from half a century ago. I've never,
ever, ever seen you complain. Ever.


Brian, careful, you know how painful it is to remind Jimmie
of the obvious. Pastor Jimmie might write another Sermon on
the Antenna Mount!

Why
is it OK for you to rehash events of 20, 30, 50 years ago, but not
OK for others to remind you of the events of 2 or 3 years past?


Because you say it isn't OK for Len to remind you of events of 50 years
ago, but never comment when the ARRL does it.


Jimmie wants to rehash what I was "supposed to do" in Japan,
but Jimmie has NEVER served in any military anywhere anytime.
That's "okay."

Jimmie wants Total Agreement with his OPINIONS. If there is
no Total Agreement, then dissention is "wrong," must be
BANNED, shouted down, tarred and feathered, etc., etc.

Seems like a double standard on your part.


Double-standard, indeed. That could be your middle name.


I think it should be just "H" (for hypocrite).

Jimmie wants NUMBERS? He is regularly giving some sort of
tabulation
on the "valid licenses" of radio amateurs in the USA.


No, I'm not. You're mistaken, Len. Wrong again.


Are you absolutely, positively sure?


Jimmie is never wrong. Other people are wrong...when they
disagree with Jimmie.

The numbers I post here twice a month are those of current, unexpired
FCC amateur licenses held by individuals. That's stated in each post.
The word valid is not used to describe them.


They are invalid numbers? They are invalid licenses?


Jimmie loves wordplay, spending long hours at his old, faded
computer, exercising his imaginary powers of CEO of the
newsgroup. He's wasting lots of folks' time.




[email protected] May 28th 05 09:15 PM

From: "bb" on Fri 27 May 2005 17:39

wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:56 pm

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.

That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. But it must
stop Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost.


The Avenging Angle of Dearth is off on another tangent.


The Tangential Gunny. Smokey Bear hat is tilted.


Poor guy, HAS to be in uniform all the time, shouting orders,
demanding obediance! He must be a real delight at the Legion
Hall bar these days.

Gosh, do you think that "experience" is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY?


If it is, then Steve can no longer speak of MARS.


I thought Steve IS MARS! :-)

The FCC doesn't require ANY staff or commissioners to hold
amateur radio licenses in order to REGULATE U.S. amateur radio!

["Sunnuvagun!" as Hans might remark...]


Steven J. Robeson is free to petition his government.


Ah, but he doesn't feel that his "opponents" should!


"Civil discourse" by Sevie (or Stebie, depending on which alter ego
is gabbling) consists of his wanting to crucify me on charges of
something like Treason or Sedition for honoring the members of my
Signal Battalion, continually calling me a "penis head" using a
Yiddish pejorative, and denouncing my knowledge of radio by not
"knowing the truth" about helicopters! :-)


Steven J. Robeson will disqualify you under every circumstance. He's
the original mean mistreater.


Textbook egotistic sociopath.

Tsk. The PCTA Extra Double Standard *MUST* prevail to those
"civil discoursairs" ranging the high seas


and the low seas.


Very low...

and destroying all vestiges of discontent in their HOBBY.

CW gets through when everything else will.


That's engraved above the entrance to the Church of St. Hiram.

I especially like Jimmie's "reason" for retention of the code test:
it is the SECOND most popular mode on ham HF bands, therefore the
test MUST remain!"


Way back when amateurs had tails, and the Morse Code was the ONLY
mode, there was no morse code test.


Right...and the only way to generate RF inexpensively was by
SPARK technology! Spark is banned.

Sevie (or Stebie) would probably require all
examinees to tap out the words to the Marines Him in morse as well.


If they miss a beat, they will forever be known as a LIAR and a Gay Man
(standard Steve way of dealing with discontinuity in his personal
life).


Gotta love the sociopath's version of "civility!"

"Civility" = total and absolute agreement with whatever the ARRL
publishes, anytime and anywhere.

1984 came and is still with us.


I read 1984 during the 1983 holidays. There's a lot of Steve in there.


He be "little brother." Big Brother be in Newington.

Little brother get brain washed, still not clean.




[email protected] May 28th 05 09:16 PM

wrote:
From: "bb" on Thurs,May 26 2005 6:12 pm

wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

73 de Jim, N2EY

So in the end, Jim confirms that Steve's "assertion of fact," i.e.,
"Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from" doesn't stop anyone else from
making uninformed decision which changes all of ham radio. So if Mike
Powell can have an uninformed opinion, why can't anyone else?


Nobody can unless they've taken a code test. Mikey Powell
didn't so Judge Sir James of Morsemanhall forced him to
resign... :-)

beep, beep


They're so full of excrement.


Well, some of that is what they ingested...:-)




bb May 29th 05 04:00 AM



wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Thurs,May 26 2005 6:12 pm


They're so full of excrement.


Well, some of that is what they ingested...:-)


They are what they eat.


K4YZ May 29th 05 01:48 PM



wrote:
From: "bb" on Fri 27 May 2005 17:39


I read 1984 during the 1983 holidays. There's a lot of Steve in there.


He be "little brother." Big Brother be in Newington.


Is it just me, or do these two resemble two dogs chasing
each-others tail...?!?!

steve, K4YZ


K4YZ May 29th 05 01:51 PM



wrote:

Jimmie loves wordplay, spending long hours at his old, faded
computer, exercising his imaginary powers of CEO of the
newsgroup. He's wasting lots of folks' time.


Geeze, Lennie...You remind me of a 6 month old...

Stuck your hands into your own diaper and rubbed your business all
over your own face then sit there laughing at it.

Sheeeesh. So predictable.

Steve, K4YZ


bb May 29th 05 02:28 PM



K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Fri 27 May 2005 17:39


I read 1984 during the 1983 holidays. There's a lot of Steve in there.


He be "little brother." Big Brother be in Newington.


Is it just me, or do these two resemble two dogs chasing
each-others tail...?!?!

steve, K4YZ


Yeh, it's just you.

Now explain why you posted my street number in this forum.


K4YZ May 29th 05 02:54 PM



bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Fri 27 May 2005 17:39


I read 1984 during the 1983 holidays. There's a lot of Steve in there.

He be "little brother." Big Brother be in Newington.


Is it just me, or do these two resemble two dogs chasing
each-others tail...?!?!

steve, K4YZ


Yeh, it's just you.


I don't think so...

There's two day's worth of you and Lennie glad-handing each other.

Now explain why you posted my street number in this forum.


What number is your street? Most streets have names, although my
street IS a number..."(12th Avenue)"

A bit paranoid, Brain?

Been keeping a close eye on the mail box, UPS and Fedex guys to see
if Mrs Brain might get a package YOU wouldn't want her to see...???

Keeping a watch out for any black helicopters or unmarked vans
prowling the neighborhood?

You need a break, Brain...Or quit chasing Lennie's tail in public
like that...Maybe the methane has you delirious.

Steve, K4YZ


Stinque May 29th 05 07:44 PM


"bb" wrote in message
oups.com...


K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Fri 27 May 2005 17:39


I read 1984 during the 1983 holidays. There's a lot of Steve in there.


He be "little brother." Big Brother be in Newington.


Is it just me, or do these two resemble two dogs chasing
each-others tail...?!?!

steve, K4YZ


Yeh, it's just you.

Now explain why you posted my street number in this forum.


I wish he'd post it again.

And why should anybody explain anything to you? You don't count.





Stinque May 29th 05 07:54 PM


"Tarapia Tapioco" wrote in message

We already know that, Nursie.
You keep proving it over and over and over again, can't provide
documentation BOY.

/\

Curtains Boy has been a busy little social misfit this day. Wow! Not one,
but THREE anonymous email sources.

His meds must have finally kicked him into Happy Happy Land.





bb May 29th 05 07:59 PM



Tarapia Tapioco wrote:
In article
.com
"K4YZ" wrote:

I don't think...


We already know that, Nursie.
You keep proving it over and over and over again, can't provide
documentation BOY.

There's two day's worth of you and Lennie glad-handing

each other.

Then there's years of you and Secret Nazi High-el giving each
other the reach around on here.

What number is your street?


The number you posted, "Lessee....430." There was absolutely no
"context" for that kind of post. Completely out of left field, with
the intention of intimidation.

Most streets have names,
although my
street IS a number..."(12th Avenue)"


I could care less what your street is.

Are you stalking him, Nursie?


Steve posted my county in here, then my street number just before the
Dayton Hamfest. I live in Ohio and am probably on a circuitous route
that a crazy man would take to get to Dayton.

He works hard at intimidation, but he just doesn't have that big of a
presence to deliver any "pucker factor" as he calls it. The only one
he's fooling is himself.

And as of yet, Steve has absolutely NO explanation on why he
posted, "Lessee....430" out of left field. I wonder what kind of
weasely words he'll come up with on how that got injected into a RRAP
posting of his.

A bit paranoid, Brain?


A bit psycho, Nursie??????


I'd give that a thumbs up.

Been keeping a close eye on the mail box, UPS and Fedex

guys to see
if Mrs Brain might get a package YOU wouldn't want her to

see...???

Yep, looks like Nursie is stalking "Brian." Poor Nursie, he's
got that low self-esteem.


Looks that way to me on both accounts.

Keeping a watch out for any black helicopters or unmarked

vans
prowling the neighborhood?


Oh, do tell us you were involved in that sort of activity while
in the service, Nursie.


He was probably at Whacko under secret orders. Hi!

Just like you say you don't wear a
girdle to keep that gut in.


You mean he's got a girdle on in that pudgy picture? Hi! Wonder it
wasn't a straight jacket.

You need a break, Brain...Or quit chasing Lennie's tail in

public
like that...Maybe the methane has you delirious.


Steven J. Robeson, K4YZ, you need to stop trying to intimidate and
scare people who disagree with you. It makes you look like you've got
a screw loose. Hmmmm?


bb May 29th 05 08:02 PM



Stinque wrote:
"bb" wrote in message
oups.com...


K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Fri 27 May 2005 17:39


I read 1984 during the 1983 holidays. There's a lot of Steve in there.

He be "little brother." Big Brother be in Newington.


Is it just me, or do these two resemble two dogs chasing
each-others tail...?!?!

steve, K4YZ


Yeh, it's just you.

Now explain why you posted my street number in this forum.


I wish he'd post it again.

And why should anybody explain anything to you? You don't count.


If anything or anyone shows up at my house, they'll be explaining to
the authorities.


K4YZ May 29th 05 11:59 PM



bb wrote:
Stinque wrote:


And why should anybody explain anything to you? You don't count.


If anything or anyone shows up at my house, they'll be explaining to
the authorities.


Explain what?

Copies of YOUR own posts?

I'd be interested in your suggestions as to what Postal Service
regulations might be violated there, Brain...

Steve, K4YZ


K4YZ May 30th 05 12:04 AM



bb wrote:

You need a break, Brain...Or quit chasing Lennie's tail in

public
like that...Maybe the methane has you delirious.


Steven J. Robeson, K4YZ, you need to stop trying to intimidate and
scare people who disagree with you. It makes you look like you've got
a screw loose. Hmmmm?


The loose screw here, Brain, belongs to you and Lennie.

The two of you load up this NG with tons of mistruthful and
blatantly dishonest and deceitful rhetoric, and then when faced with
even the IDEA that your behaviour might be exposed to those wo DO know
you personally, you go into a tailspin.

Your reactions here pretty much prove to me that your conduct here
does not mirror how you are in "real life", and the idea that your
conduct here might be exposed to family or friends scares the hell out
of you.

So...Why behave one way in here and an other for your family and
friends?

Steve, K4YZ


Stinque May 30th 05 12:13 AM


"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...


bb wrote:

You need a break, Brain...Or quit chasing Lennie's tail in

public
like that...Maybe the methane has you delirious.


Steven J. Robeson, K4YZ, you need to stop trying to intimidate and
scare people who disagree with you. It makes you look like you've got
a screw loose. Hmmmm?


The loose screw here, Brain, belongs to you and Lennie.

The two of you load up this NG with tons of mistruthful and
blatantly dishonest and deceitful rhetoric, and then when faced with
even the IDEA that your behaviour might be exposed to those wo DO know
you personally, you go into a tailspin.

Your reactions here pretty much prove to me that your conduct here
does not mirror how you are in "real life", and the idea that your
conduct here might be exposed to family or friends scares the hell out
of you.

So...Why behave one way in here and an other for your family and
friends?

Steve, K4YZ





Aw, go ahead. Post his address again.
Maybe someone will send him a get well card.



[email protected] May 30th 05 12:50 AM

From: "bb" on Sun 29 May 2005 11:59

Tarapia Tapioco wrote:
In article
.com
"K4YZ" wrote:

I don't think...


We already know that, Nursie.
You keep proving it over and over and over again, can't provide
documentation BOY.

There's two day's worth of you and Lennie glad-handing
each other.


Then there's years of you and Secret Nazi High-el giving each
other the reach around on here.

What number is your street?


The number you posted, "Lessee....430." There was absolutely no
"context" for that kind of post. Completely out of left field, with
the intention of intimidation.


Intimidation is the Last Action Hero's best "weapon."

He's tried that on me, too. Didn't work. :-)


Most streets have names,
although my
street IS a number..."(12th Avenue)"


I could care less what your street is.

Are you stalking him, Nursie?


Steve posted my county in here, then my street number just before the
Dayton Hamfest. I live in Ohio and am probably on a circuitous route
that a crazy man would take to get to Dayton.


His raging, trembling fingers (needed two to send morse)
probably poked the wrong buttons on his Garmin.

He works hard at intimidation, but he just doesn't have that big of a
presence to deliver any "pucker factor" as he calls it. The only one
he's fooling is himself.


It makes him feel BIG and STRONG in front of his alter
egos...the "leader" of "Steve and the Boys." :-)

Maybe that's what he thinks is the ethics of a modern U.S.
amateur extra licensee? Threats and intimidations?

And as of yet, Steve has absolutely NO explanation on why he
posted, "Lessee....430" out of left field. I wonder what kind of
weasely words he'll come up with on how that got injected into a RRAP
posting of his.


I got everyone topped. Some weird multiple-personality
type wanted to "stalk" me a few years ago, even left a
couple messages on my answering machine. No problem to me.
Before my wife and I left on a trip up north, I made a
copy of the pertinent messages from the newsgroup and gave
it to a Los Angeles Police Department detective, along
with a request to have the telephone security people
monitor my telephone line. The MPD didn't know that.
The LAPD have a "stalker" unit here and follow-up on such
things after a couple of stalking deaths in this city.

I don't know what the police and security people did,
but the "stalker" on here hasn't been visible since.

A bit paranoid, Brain?


A bit psycho, Nursie??????


I'd give that a thumbs up.


Two thumbs. I'll bet Ebert and Roeper would add two more
thumbs to his science-fiction comedy capers. ["on a planet
faaaaaarrrr, faaaaaaarrr away..."]

Been keeping a close eye on the mail box, UPS and Fedex guys to see
if Mrs Brain might get a package YOU wouldn't want her to see...???


Yep, looks like Nursie is stalking "Brian." Poor Nursie, he's
got that low self-esteem.


Looks that way to me on both accounts.


Welp, with Stebie allatime mentioning other folks' wives,
that's kind of telling on HIS life with the second wife.
["Amelia" he's said]

Keeping a watch out for any black helicopters or unmarked vans
prowling the neighborhood?


Oh, do tell us you were involved in that sort of activity while
in the service, Nursie.


He was probably at Whacko under secret orders. Hi!


"Whacko MAS?" Maybe that's where he got his unauthorized
"stick time" in helos? Where is that? Area 51?

Just like you say you don't wear a
girdle to keep that gut in.


You mean he's got a girdle on in that pudgy picture? Hi! Wonder it
wasn't a straight jacket.


Tsk. Stebie isn't very "straight" with us.

You need a break, Brain...Or quit chasing Lennie's tail in public
like that...Maybe the methane has you delirious.


Steven J. Robeson, K4YZ, you need to stop trying to intimidate and
scare people who disagree with you. It makes you look like you've got
a screw loose. Hmmmm?


Let's all take up a collection and buy Stebie a battery-
powered screwdriver. It will make his screw tight, the
best he's had in a long time...




[email protected] May 30th 05 07:20 AM

From: "bb" on May 29, 8:24 pm

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sat 28 May 2005 19:30
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:



In only takes two fingers to send Morse Code on a keyer.


It only takes one finger to send you a message.


Seems that's the only method of "digital" communications you and
Lennie seem to know...Why am I not surprised?


A straight key requires only one finger. I thought a Mighty Macho
Morseman such as yourself would know that.


The Last Action Hero may not have figured out WHICH finger
to use. He is confronted with a choice of one out of ten.
That may present a difficulty.


He could always "Dial" for advice from interesting people in Fairfield
County..


Yup. That takes just ONE finger. :-)

Tsk, then he gets all disturbed about getting another finger
in return... :-)


Mighty Stebie doesn't NEED fingers.


Doesn't need a brain either. Just two synapses firing like the
simplest organism.


I say FOUR synapses. Extra Class paramecium level. :-)

...better than lowly bacteria.

He only has to IMAGINE
sending morse and, lo!, it happens...and he will spend a few
years bragging about his marvelous ability...as an Extra
amateur radio operator...who hasn't shown any knowledge of
maintenance or theory of operation, not even a familiarity
with simple Ohm's Law of Resistance...so then he can chide
and bully all others who don't need morsemanship about
"OPERATING (using morse code)."


He is Extra. He has reached the pinnacle of Radiodom.


Yup. The very TOP level of amateurism. As an OPERATOR
who once said he was "deserving" of that because of the
"way he could tune in a signal!" :-)

Doesn't know feces from shoe polish on what's behind the
front panels or how it works, but he can "operate" and tune
that dial!!! :-)




K4YZ May 30th 05 09:20 AM



Stinque wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...


bb wrote:

You need a break, Brain...Or quit chasing Lennie's tail in
public
like that...Maybe the methane has you delirious.


Steven J. Robeson, K4YZ, you need to stop trying to intimidate and
scare people who disagree with you. It makes you look like you've got
a screw loose. Hmmmm?


The loose screw here, Brain, belongs to you and Lennie.

The two of you load up this NG with tons of mistruthful and
blatantly dishonest and deceitful rhetoric, and then when faced with
even the IDEA that your behaviour might be exposed to those wo DO know
you personally, you go into a tailspin.

Your reactions here pretty much prove to me that your conduct here
does not mirror how you are in "real life", and the idea that your
conduct here might be exposed to family or friends scares the hell out
of you.

So...Why behave one way in here and an other for your family and
friends?

Aw, go ahead. Post his address again.
Maybe someone will send him a get well card.


Naaaaaw....N0IMD will just threaten me with "the authorities"
again...And I didn't publish his address...Of course his Amatuer Radio
license is public information as is the address thereon...

Steve, K4YZ


bb May 30th 05 03:12 PM



K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

You need a break, Brain...Or quit chasing Lennie's tail in
public
like that...Maybe the methane has you delirious.


Steven J. Robeson, K4YZ, you need to stop trying to intimidate and
scare people who disagree with you. It makes you look like you've got
a screw loose. Hmmmm?


The loose screw here, Brain, belongs to you and Lennie.

The two of you load up this NG with tons of mistruthful and
blatantly dishonest and deceitful rhetoric,


Steve, I have modeled my recent on-line behavio[u]r after you. You
don't like it? I just can't imagine why.

and then when faced with
even the IDEA that your behaviour might be exposed to those wo DO know
you personally, you go into a tailspin.


No one here is asking for "equal time" with your children, your wife.

Your reactions here pretty much prove to me that your conduct here
does not mirror how you are in "real life", and the idea that your
conduct here might be exposed to family or friends scares the hell out
of you.


Assess your own life. Get yourself fixed, repaired, healed. I'll give
you the 800 number to the VA for you if you would only call them.
Check-in and stay awhile.

So why have you posted my streed number on RRAP? What explanation
could be beleived other than a lame attempt at intimidation?

And your MARS documentation....

Got any?


bb May 30th 05 03:24 PM



K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
Stinque wrote:


And why should anybody explain anything to you? You don't count.


If anything or anyone shows up at my house, they'll be explaining to
the authorities.


Explain what?

Copies of YOUR own posts?


Copies of your posts, and the unnatural desire to have "equal time"
with my son, my wife.

I'd be interested in your suggestions as to what Postal Service
regulations might be violated there, Brain...


Stalking.

Steve, K4YZ


You've been told not to send me e-mail, US mail, FEDEX or UPS.
Nothing. Stay away, creep.


K4YZ May 30th 05 03:27 PM

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

You need a break, Brain...Or quit chasing Lennie's tail in
public
like that...Maybe the methane has you delirious.

Steven J. Robeson, K4YZ, you need to stop trying to intimidate and
scare people who disagree with you. It makes you look like you've got
a screw loose. Hmmmm?


The loose screw here, Brain, belongs to you and Lennie.

The two of you load up this NG with tons of mistruthful and
blatantly dishonest and deceitful rhetoric,


Steve, I have modeled my recent on-line behavio[u]r after you. You
don't like it? I just can't imagine why.


You've done nothing of the sort, Brain.

You continue to lie.

You continue to be deceitful.

Nothing's changed.

and then when faced with
even the IDEA that your behaviour might be exposed to those wo DO know
you personally, you go into a tailspin.


No one here is asking for "equal time" with your children, your wife.


But be my guest, Brain.

I assume you know my wife's callsign, ergo you know her name and
the address, which is of course the same.

Go ahead...drop her a line.

See what happens.

Your reactions here pretty much prove to me that your conduct here
does not mirror how you are in "real life", and the idea that your
conduct here might be exposed to family or friends scares the hell out
of you.


Assess your own life. Get yourself fixed, repaired, healed. I'll give
you the 800 number to the VA for you if you would only call them.
Check-in and stay awhile.


There's nothing to be fixed.

I think my patience and persistence in dealing with your incessant
lying and deceit has been adequate and appropriate.

So why have you posted my streed number on RRAP? What explanation
could be beleived other than a lame attempt at intimidation?


Waht 'intimidation', Brain...???

Oh...you mean the idea that your family might find out what a
deciteful little troll you are in public is "intimidat(ing)"...?!?!

THEN STOP DOING IT!

And your MARS documentation....

Got any?


Gave you the information. Got the guts to ask the right people the
right questions?

Thought not.....

Steve, K4YZ


K4YZ May 30th 05 03:34 PM



bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
Stinque wrote:


And why should anybody explain anything to you? You don't count.

If anything or anyone shows up at my house, they'll be explaining to
the authorities.


Explain what?

Copies of YOUR own posts?


Copies of your posts, and the unnatural desire to have "equal time"
with my son, my wife.


What's "unnatural"...???

You claimed you were telling your son "what a creep" I was. I
have the right to rebut that.

I'd be interested in your suggestions as to what Postal Service
regulations might be violated there, Brain...


Stalking.


No stalking involved, Brain.

You've been told not to send me e-mail, US mail, FEDEX or UPS.
Nothing. Stay away, creep.


Don't like the idea that some of YOUR posts in RRAP may show up on
the doorstep, Brain...?!?!

Then stop making stupid, deceitful and dishonest psots.

And if you want to avoid the confrontation altogehter, just excuse
yourself from any further participation in RRAP.

It's not "stalking" when YOU intentionally get in the alleged
'stalkers' face, "Brain"...

Sheeeeesh....

Well, Brain...Today being the day it is and your posts being what
they are, you've proven once and for all that "stupid" doesn't take
holidays.

Steve, K4YZ


bb May 30th 05 07:18 PM



K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

You need a break, Brain...Or quit chasing Lennie's tail in
public
like that...Maybe the methane has you delirious.

Steven J. Robeson, K4YZ, you need to stop trying to intimidate and
scare people who disagree with you. It makes you look like you've got
a screw loose. Hmmmm?

The loose screw here, Brain, belongs to you and Lennie.

The two of you load up this NG with tons of mistruthful and
blatantly dishonest and deceitful rhetoric,


Steve, I have modeled my recent on-line behavio[u]r after you. You
don't like it? I just can't imagine why.


You've done nothing of the sort, Brain.


But I have. And I can barely stand myself while I do it. Much like
you must not be able to stand yourself. Please get help.

You continue to lie.

You continue to be deceitful.

Nothing's changed.


You should see lots of yourself in my postings; lots of new thread
headings, lots of accusations of liar, demanding all sorts of things.
Your words, your rules, your logic. Hi!

But I won't stoop to calling you a gay man. That would insult gay men
everywhere. And I won't be demanding equal time with your children or
wife as you have done with mine. That's much too creepy for me.

and then when faced with
even the IDEA that your behaviour might be exposed to those wo DO know
you personally, you go into a tailspin.


No one here is asking for "equal time" with your children, your wife.


But be my guest, Brain.


I have no interest in your children or your wife. The problem is your
interest in other people's children and wives. Mine in particular, but
you have made the same comments about other's families.

I assume you know my wife's callsign, ergo you know her name and
the address, which is of course the same.

Go ahead...drop her a line.

See what happens.


Thanks, but I have my own family to look after.

Your reactions here pretty much prove to me that your conduct here
does not mirror how you are in "real life", and the idea that your
conduct here might be exposed to family or friends scares the hell out
of you.


Assess your own life. Get yourself fixed, repaired, healed. I'll give
you the 800 number to the VA for you if you would only call them.
Check-in and stay awhile.


There's nothing to be fixed.


Hi!

I think my patience and persistence in dealing with your incessant
lying and deceit has been adequate and appropriate.


Look inward, silly gunny.

So why have you posted my streed number on RRAP? What explanation
could be beleived other than a lame attempt at intimidation?


Waht 'intimidation', Brain...???


So why have you posted my street number on RRAP?

You have yet to explain your actions.

Oh...you mean the idea that your family might find out what a
deciteful little troll you are in public is "intimidat(ing)"...?!?!

THEN STOP DOING IT!


Do I intimidate you? It isn't my intention. I just want to know why
you have made frequent mention of needing to get to my family and have
posted my house number on RRAP. So, why?

In any event, I suggest that you stop.

And your MARS documentation....

Got any?


Gave you the information. Got the guts to ask the right people the
right questions?


Steve, you are the right person. You said in another post that Len was
lying when he said that you didn't have authentic documentation. The
flip-side of your accusation is that you actually do have the proper
documentation, so you really are the right person to ask. Post it if
you really do have it. Got papers?

Thought not.....


Thought not, indeed.

And your "drawn and quartered" remark, have you been playing with
sharps again?


bb May 30th 05 07:21 PM



K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
Stinque wrote:

And why should anybody explain anything to you? You don't count.

If anything or anyone shows up at my house, they'll be explaining to
the authorities.

Explain what?

Copies of YOUR own posts?


Copies of your posts, and the unnatural desire to have "equal time"
with my son, my wife.


What's "unnatural"...???

You claimed you were telling your son "what a creep" I was. I
have the right to rebut that.


No, you don't.

I'd be interested in your suggestions as to what Postal Service
regulations might be violated there, Brain...


Stalking.


No stalking involved, Brain.


Others will judge, not you.

You've been told not to send me e-mail, US mail, FEDEX or UPS.
Nothing. Stay away, creep.


Don't like the idea that some of YOUR posts in RRAP may show up on
the doorstep, Brain...?!?!

Then stop making stupid, deceitful and dishonest psots.

And if you want to avoid the confrontation altogehter, just excuse
yourself from any further participation in RRAP.

It's not "stalking" when YOU intentionally get in the alleged
'stalkers' face, "Brain"...

Sheeeeesh....


You've been warned.

Well, Brain...Today being the day it is and your posts being what
they are, you've proven once and for all that "stupid" doesn't take
holidays.

Steve, K4YZ


Indeed. You should know enough to stay away.


K4YZ May 31st 05 09:56 AM

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
Stinque wrote:

And why should anybody explain anything to you? You don't count.

If anything or anyone shows up at my house, they'll be explaining to
the authorities.

Explain what?

Copies of YOUR own posts?

Copies of your posts, and the unnatural desire to have "equal time"
with my son, my wife.


What's "unnatural"...???

You claimed you were telling your son "what a creep" I was. I
have the right to rebut that.


No, you don't.


Yes, I do. And if I choose to do so, I WILL be heard by my
intended audience, whether YOU want them to hear it or not in a forum
that you'll no longer be able to "control" from their eyes.

I'd be interested in your suggestions as to what Postal Service
regulations might be violated there, Brain...

Stalking.


No stalking involved, Brain.


Others will judge, not you.


It's still not stalking, Brain, regardless of how emotional you get
about it...And if I were you, I'd not be so quick to make assertions
about being "judged".

You've been told not to send me e-mail, US mail, FEDEX or UPS.
Nothing. Stay away, creep.


Don't like the idea that some of YOUR posts in RRAP may show up on
the doorstep, Brain...?!?!

Then stop making stupid, deceitful and dishonest psots.

And if you want to avoid the confrontation altogehter, just excuse
yourself from any further participation in RRAP.

It's not "stalking" when YOU intentionally get in the alleged
'stalkers' face, "Brain"...

Sheeeeesh....


You've been warned.


You've been warned too. You seem to think that your inane
"threats" and "warnings" in this forum cause me some ceoncern.

They don't.

Well, Brain...Today being the day it is and your posts being what
they are, you've proven once and for all that "stupid" doesn't take
holidays.

Steve, K4YZ


Indeed. You should know enough to stay away.


No...YOU should know enough to stop making assinine posts that are
so transparently stupid that they wil be challenged for their
stupidity.

And as for "warnings", here's one for you...You've called me a
liar about my MARS participation and some of my former USMC duties.
You've been given more than an adequate amount of details to validate
my claims. You continue to call me a liar and other similar
adjectives.

Your margin for maneuvering is narrowing rapidly, Brian. I
strongly suggest that you reconsider your present conduct and claims,
lest you care to discuss them in ANOTHER forum. And once they move to
that forum, your behaviour in THIS forum will be beyond your capacity
to hide from your family.

Pooh-pooh that away if you care to...But you do so at your
peril...

Steve, K4YZ


KØHB May 31st 05 04:37 PM


"K4YZ" wrote


Pooh-pooh that away if you care to...But you do so at your
peril...


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Pooh-pooh-pooh-pooh!






KØHB May 31st 05 05:55 PM


"K4YZ" wrote

I strongly suggest that you reconsider your present conduct and claims,
lest you care to discuss them in ANOTHER forum.



G R E A T idea Steve.

Let's petition the powers-that-be for "ANOTHER forum" called
"rec.radio.steve.and.brian.and.todd.and.len.snip.a nd.snipe.among.themselves".

Then we could return rrap to its regular programming.

dit dit
de Hans, K0HB




[email protected] May 31st 05 08:18 PM

From: "bb" on Mon 30 May 2005 11:30


K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun 29 May 2005 12:29

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Independently verifiable information...which you are too cowardly
to verify.

All you need is authentic documentation. Got any?

It's a "no use" request, Brian. He doesn't have any.

Gee, Lennie....

Only one line into your diatribe and we find you factless again.

You're making this way too easy, but thanks...

Factless???


Yep. Factless.

Prove Len and me wrong for once. Post your authentic documentation.


You've already been given authentic facts, Brian.


We've only seen your baseless assertions and claims. Post Docs.


Hmmmm...this can go on for years... :-)

1. Stebie has NO documentation so he can't post it.

2. Everyone is supposed to "take Stebie's 'word' for it."

3. Stebie will substitute Personal Insults for actual proof.

4. Stebie will then be asked (again) to show documentation.

5. Continue iteration by looping to (1)...ad nauseum.





[email protected] May 31st 05 08:20 PM

From: "K=D8=88B" on Tues 31 May 2005 15:37


"K4YZ" wrote


Pooh-pooh that away if you care to...But you do so at your
peril...



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Pooh-pooh-pooh-pooh!


Good imitation of the sounds Stebie makes! [the human
whoopee cushion]

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!





K4YZ May 31st 05 10:39 PM



K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote


Pooh-pooh that away if you care to...But you do so at your
peril...


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Pooh-pooh-pooh-pooh!


Careful, Hans...Your "Depends" are loose around the legs.

Steve, K4YZ


K4YZ May 31st 05 10:46 PM



wrote:
From: "bb" on Mon 30 May 2005 11:30


You've already been given authentic facts, Brian.


We've only seen your baseless assertions and claims. Post Docs.


Hmmmm...this can go on for years...


As has your baseless accusations of "dishonesty" at the ARRL,
rumors of conspiracy by "mighty morsemen", etc etc etc...

1. Stebie has NO documentation so he can't post it.


However verifiable details WERE given.

2. Everyone is supposed to "take Stebie's 'word' for it."


Nope. Details were given. Go ask the authorities that were
cited.

3. Stebie will substitute Personal Insults for actual proof.


The "personal insults" are of cowardice for those who claim no
details were given when in fact they were...

4. Stebie will then be asked (again) to show documentation.


That's your bluff, Lennie...

5. Continue iteration by looping to (1)...ad nauseum.


The nausea is problably Mrs Lennie trying to stave off your
drooling advances...But the "looping" comes from those who refuse to
verify the facts already given...That would be you and Brainless.



Putz.

Steve, K4YZ


bb May 31st 05 11:22 PM



K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Mon 30 May 2005 11:30


You've already been given authentic facts, Brian.

We've only seen your baseless assertions and claims. Post Docs.


Hmmmm...this can go on for years...


As has your baseless accusations of "dishonesty" at the ARRL,
rumors of conspiracy by "mighty morsemen", etc etc etc...


Not all conspiracy theories are false.

1. Stebie has NO documentation so he can't post it.


However verifiable details WERE given.


I think Steve just admitted to no documentation.

2. Everyone is supposed to "take Stebie's 'word' for it."


Nope. Details were given. Go ask the authorities that were
cited.


You know what "no documentation" means? You said it means you didn't
do it, i.e., a lie.

3. Stebie will substitute Personal Insults for actual proof.


The "personal insults" are of cowardice for those who claim no
details were given when in fact they were...


The cowardice is for claims of having documentation, yet being somehow
unable to post it.

4. Stebie will then be asked (again) to show documentation.


That's your bluff, Lennie...


I'm the one asking.

5. Continue iteration by looping to (1)...ad nauseum.


The nausea is problably Mrs Lennie trying to stave off your
drooling advances...


Huh? How did you dream that one up?

Why don't you leave people's families out of your insults?

But the "looping" comes from those who refuse to
verify the facts already given...That would be you and Brainless.


It is in your best interest to verify your own claims. After all, you
said that if you can't provide documentation it means that you didn't
do it, i.e., a lie.



Putz.

Steve, K4YZ


Ah, more penis talk.


[email protected] June 1st 05 01:09 AM

From: "K4YZ" on Tues 31 May 2005 14:46


Putz.



...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary
figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely
path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron
in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air,
interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet
extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep
in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single
sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux
you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do
bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the
sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does
not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the
Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in
the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like
LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair.

Temper fry.



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