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May 25th 05, 11:56 PM
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: wrote: Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military and international socio-political politics are another group. Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here. In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy, Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make informed opinions or suggestions from. That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. But it must stop Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost. |
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May 26th 05, 05:33 AM
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bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: wrote: Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military and international socio-political politics are another group. Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here. In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy, Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make informed opinions or suggestions from. That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. "Mike Powell (and his) predecessors" staff out assignmentss who ARE informed on the various issues. But it must Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost. I may or may not like the politics of Mr Powell, but whether he has said or done anyhing I didn't like, I can't say he was lying or obviously being deceitful in his dealings with Amateur Radio. The same does NOT hold true for Lennie. Or you. Steve, K4YZ |
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May 26th 05, 10:38 AM
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K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: wrote: Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military and international socio-political politics are another group. Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here. In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy, Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make informed opinions or suggestions from. That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. "Mike Powell (and his) predecessors" staff out assignmentss who ARE informed on the various issues. Like they were informed about refarming the 220 band to UPS? BPL? But it must Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost. I may or may not like the politics of Mr Powell, but whether he has said or done anyhing I didn't like, I can't say he was lying or obviously being deceitful in his dealings with Amateur Radio. The same does NOT hold true for Lennie. Or you. Steve, K4YZ Definitely not you. |
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May 26th 05, 12:46 PM
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bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: wrote: Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military and international socio-political politics are another group. Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here. In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy, Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make informed opinions or suggestions from. That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. "Mike Powell (and his) predecessors" staff out assignmentss who ARE informed on the various issues. Like they were informed about refarming the 220 band to UPS? BPL? "UPS" was not the only entity involved in that "deal" Brain, and Amateur Radio operators are as responsible for that folly as anyone. We had more than andequate opportunity to get that band "loaded up" like 2 meters ('Use It Or Lose It") but didn't. BTW...remember the FIRST 'threat' to the 1.25m band and for what purpose? But it must Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost. I may or may not like the politics of Mr Powell, but whether he has said or done anyhing I didn't like, I can't say he was lying or obviously being deceitful in his dealings with Amateur Radio. The same does NOT hold true for Lennie. Or you. Definitely not you. I've neither lied nor been deceitful in any discussion on Amateur Radio, Brain. The same canNOT be said for you and Lennie. Shame on you both. Steve, K4YZ |
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May 26th 05, 05:49 PM
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K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: wrote: Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military and international socio-political politics are another group. Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here. In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy, Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make informed opinions or suggestions from. That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. "Mike Powell (and his) predecessors" staff out assignmentss who ARE informed on the various issues. Like they were informed about refarming the 220 band to UPS? BPL? "UPS" was not the only entity involved in that "deal" Brain, and Amateur Radio operators are as responsible for that folly as anyone. Well, that's one opinion.... We had more than andequate opportunity to get that band "loaded up" like 2 meters ('Use It Or Lose It") but didn't. That happened for a bunch of reasons. First off, 220 is not a ham band by international treaty. It's primarily land mobile - we get it as a secondary allocation here in Region 2 because the FCC lets us. Most parts of the world have never had a band there. That's why it's not used for satellite comms. And because of the relatively small market, the selection of manufactured rigs for 220 was and is less than for 2 meters or 440. All of which means FCC could reallocate some or all of 220 without waiting for treaty changes. BTW...remember the FIRST 'threat' to the 1.25m band and for what purpose? Yup. It was stopped by two factors: Opposition by hams (including ARRL), and disinterest by the users who would supposedly migrate there. The first threat was from the EIA, who saw an opportunity to sell lots of new radios, antennas and accessories, while relieving the congestion on the existing allocation. The users didn't like the fact that almost all of their existing equipment would become useless. In both cases, the original threat was to the entire band, then part of it. Perhaps more amateur activity would have saved 220-222. But it must Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost. Fun fact: I haven't seen anyone here tell Len to shut up (as in "shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel") or to go away. But he has done so several times. Who is trying to stop who? I may or may not like the politics of Mr Powell, but whether he has said or done anyhing I didn't like, I can't say he was lying or obviously being deceitful in his dealings with Amateur Radio. C'mon, Steve, anyone who knows a little about radio knows that BPL is a real threat to every radio service that uses the same frequencies. Anyone who knows a little about the whole theory of why FCC exists knows that one of its fundamental purposes is to protect licensed radio services from avoidable interference - either from other radio services, or from other electrical devices and systems. All Mr. Powell had to do was look at the measurements and observations made by any number of observers - including but not limited to ARRL - and it was obvious what would happen. Or look at the experiences in other countries. Or declare that *any* interference complaints would result in immediate BPL system shutdown until the problem was fixed. Instead, the business model overrode the engineering model. Perhaps all the outcry from hams and the ARRL may yet carry the day against BPL. Note how few systems are actually in operation, and how many have shut down. Note also how many that were under consideration have not gone forward due to the interference issue. Meanwhile, DSL, cable and WiFi expand daily. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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May 27th 05, 02:12 AM
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wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: wrote: Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military and international socio-political politics are another group. Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here. In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy, Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make informed opinions or suggestions from. That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. "Mike Powell (and his) predecessors" staff out assignmentss who ARE informed on the various issues. Like they were informed about refarming the 220 band to UPS? BPL? "UPS" was not the only entity involved in that "deal" Brain, and Amateur Radio operators are as responsible for that folly as anyone. Well, that's one opinion.... We had more than andequate opportunity to get that band "loaded up" like 2 meters ('Use It Or Lose It") but didn't. That happened for a bunch of reasons. First off, 220 is not a ham band by international treaty. It's primarily land mobile - we get it as a secondary allocation here in Region 2 because the FCC lets us. Most parts of the world have never had a band there. That's why it's not used for satellite comms. And because of the relatively small market, the selection of manufactured rigs for 220 was and is less than for 2 meters or 440. All of which means FCC could reallocate some or all of 220 without waiting for treaty changes. BTW...remember the FIRST 'threat' to the 1.25m band and for what purpose? Yup. It was stopped by two factors: Opposition by hams (including ARRL), and disinterest by the users who would supposedly migrate there. The first threat was from the EIA, who saw an opportunity to sell lots of new radios, antennas and accessories, while relieving the congestion on the existing allocation. The users didn't like the fact that almost all of their existing equipment would become useless. In both cases, the original threat was to the entire band, then part of it. Perhaps more amateur activity would have saved 220-222. But it must Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost. Fun fact: I haven't seen anyone here tell Len to shut up (as in "shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel") or to go away. But he has done so several times. Who is trying to stop who? I may or may not like the politics of Mr Powell, but whether he has said or done anyhing I didn't like, I can't say he was lying or obviously being deceitful in his dealings with Amateur Radio. C'mon, Steve, anyone who knows a little about radio knows that BPL is a real threat to every radio service that uses the same frequencies. Anyone who knows a little about the whole theory of why FCC exists knows that one of its fundamental purposes is to protect licensed radio services from avoidable interference - either from other radio services, or from other electrical devices and systems. All Mr. Powell had to do was look at the measurements and observations made by any number of observers - including but not limited to ARRL - and it was obvious what would happen. Or look at the experiences in other countries. Or declare that *any* interference complaints would result in immediate BPL system shutdown until the problem was fixed. Instead, the business model overrode the engineering model. Perhaps all the outcry from hams and the ARRL may yet carry the day against BPL. Note how few systems are actually in operation, and how many have shut down. Note also how many that were under consideration have not gone forward due to the interference issue. Meanwhile, DSL, cable and WiFi expand daily. 73 de Jim, N2EY So in the end, Jim confirms that Steve's "assertion of fact," i.e., "Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make informed opinions or suggestions from" doesn't stop anyone else from making uninformed decision which changes all of ham radio. So if Mike Powell can have an uninformed opinion, why can't anyone else? |
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May 26th 05, 10:40 PM
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From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:56 pm
K4YZ wrote: wrote: wrote: Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military and international socio-political politics are another group. Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here. In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy, Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make informed opinions or suggestions from. That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. But it must stop Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost. The Avenging Angle of Dearth is off on another tangent. Gosh, do you think that "experience" is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY? The FCC doesn't require ANY staff or commissioners to hold amateur radio licenses in order to REGULATE U.S. amateur radio! ["Sunnuvagun!" as Hans might remark...] "Civil discourse" by Sevie (or Stebie, depending on which alter ego is gabbling) consists of his wanting to crucify me on charges of something like Treason or Sedition for honoring the members of my Signal Battalion, continually calling me a "penis head" using a Yiddish pejorative, and denouncing my knowledge of radio by not "knowing the truth" about helicopters! :-) Tsk. The PCTA Extra Double Standard *MUST* prevail to those "civil discoursairs" ranging the high seas and destroying all vestiges of discontent in their HOBBY. I especially like Jimmie's "reason" for retention of the code test: it is the SECOND most popular mode on ham HF bands, therefore the test MUST remain!" Sevie (or Stebie) would probably require all examinees to tap out the words to the Marines Him in morse as well. "Civility" = total and absolute agreement with whatever the ARRL publishes, anytime and anywhere. 1984 came and is still with us. |
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May 28th 05, 01:39 AM
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wrote: From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:56 pm K4YZ wrote: wrote: wrote: Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military and international socio-political politics are another group. Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here. In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy, Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make informed opinions or suggestions from. That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. But it must stop Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost. The Avenging Angle of Dearth is off on another tangent. The Tangential Gunny. Smokey Bear hat is tilted. Gosh, do you think that "experience" is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY? If it is, then Steve can no longer speak of MARS. The FCC doesn't require ANY staff or commissioners to hold amateur radio licenses in order to REGULATE U.S. amateur radio! ["Sunnuvagun!" as Hans might remark...] Steven J. Robeson is free to petition his government. "Civil discourse" by Sevie (or Stebie, depending on which alter ego is gabbling) consists of his wanting to crucify me on charges of something like Treason or Sedition for honoring the members of my Signal Battalion, continually calling me a "penis head" using a Yiddish pejorative, and denouncing my knowledge of radio by not "knowing the truth" about helicopters! :-) Steven J. Robeson will disqualify you under every circumstance. He's the original mean mistreater. Tsk. The PCTA Extra Double Standard *MUST* prevail to those "civil discoursairs" ranging the high seas and the low seas. and destroying all vestiges of discontent in their HOBBY. CW gets through when everything else will. I especially like Jimmie's "reason" for retention of the code test: it is the SECOND most popular mode on ham HF bands, therefore the test MUST remain!" Way back when amateurs had tails, and the Morse Code was the ONLY mode, there was no morse code test. Sevie (or Stebie) would probably require all examinees to tap out the words to the Marines Him in morse as well. If they miss a beat, they will forever be known as a LIAR and a Gay Man (standard Steve way of dealing with discontinuity in his personal life). "Civility" = total and absolute agreement with whatever the ARRL publishes, anytime and anywhere. 1984 came and is still with us. I read 1984 during the 1983 holidays. There's a lot of Steve in there. |
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#10
May 28th 05, 09:15 PM
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From: "bb" on Fri 27 May 2005 17:39
wrote: From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:56 pm K4YZ wrote: wrote: wrote: Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military and international socio-political politics are another group. Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here. In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy, Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make informed opinions or suggestions from. That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. But it must stop Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost. The Avenging Angle of Dearth is off on another tangent. The Tangential Gunny. Smokey Bear hat is tilted. Poor guy, HAS to be in uniform all the time, shouting orders, demanding obediance! He must be a real delight at the Legion Hall bar these days. Gosh, do you think that "experience" is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY? If it is, then Steve can no longer speak of MARS. I thought Steve IS MARS! :-) The FCC doesn't require ANY staff or commissioners to hold amateur radio licenses in order to REGULATE U.S. amateur radio! ["Sunnuvagun!" as Hans might remark...] Steven J. Robeson is free to petition his government. Ah, but he doesn't feel that his "opponents" should! "Civil discourse" by Sevie (or Stebie, depending on which alter ego is gabbling) consists of his wanting to crucify me on charges of something like Treason or Sedition for honoring the members of my Signal Battalion, continually calling me a "penis head" using a Yiddish pejorative, and denouncing my knowledge of radio by not "knowing the truth" about helicopters! :-) Steven J. Robeson will disqualify you under every circumstance. He's the original mean mistreater. Textbook egotistic sociopath. Tsk. The PCTA Extra Double Standard *MUST* prevail to those "civil discoursairs" ranging the high seas and the low seas. Very low... and destroying all vestiges of discontent in their HOBBY. CW gets through when everything else will. That's engraved above the entrance to the Church of St. Hiram. I especially like Jimmie's "reason" for retention of the code test: it is the SECOND most popular mode on ham HF bands, therefore the test MUST remain!" Way back when amateurs had tails, and the Morse Code was the ONLY mode, there was no morse code test. Right...and the only way to generate RF inexpensively was by SPARK technology! Spark is banned. Sevie (or Stebie) would probably require all examinees to tap out the words to the Marines Him in morse as well. If they miss a beat, they will forever be known as a LIAR and a Gay Man (standard Steve way of dealing with discontinuity in his personal life). Gotta love the sociopath's version of "civility!" "Civility" = total and absolute agreement with whatever the ARRL publishes, anytime and anywhere. 1984 came and is still with us. I read 1984 during the 1983 holidays. There's a lot of Steve in there. He be "little brother." Big Brother be in Newington. Little brother get brain washed, still not clean. |
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