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Old May 27th 05, 02:12 AM
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Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.

That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors.

"Mike Powell (and his) predecessors" staff out assignmentss who
ARE informed on the various issues.

Like they were informed about refarming the 220 band to UPS? BPL?


"UPS" was not the only entity involved in that "deal" Brain, and
Amateur Radio operators are as responsible for that folly as anyone.


Well, that's one opinion....

We had more than andequate opportunity to get that band "loaded
up" like 2 meters ('Use It Or Lose It") but didn't.


That happened for a bunch of reasons.

First off, 220 is not a ham band by international treaty. It's
primarily land mobile - we get it as a secondary allocation here in
Region 2 because the FCC lets us. Most parts of the world have never
had a band there. That's why it's not used for satellite comms.

And because of the relatively small market, the selection of
manufactured rigs for 220 was and is less than for 2 meters or 440.

All of which means FCC could reallocate some or all of 220 without
waiting for treaty changes.

BTW...remember the FIRST 'threat' to the 1.25m band and for what
purpose?


Yup. It was stopped by two factors: Opposition by hams (including
ARRL), and
disinterest by the users who would supposedly migrate there.

The first threat was from the EIA, who saw an opportunity to sell lots
of new
radios, antennas and accessories, while relieving the congestion on the
existing
allocation. The users didn't like the fact that almost all of their
existing equipment would become useless.

In both cases, the original threat was to the entire band, then part of
it.

Perhaps more amateur activity would have saved 220-222.

But it must Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost.


Fun fact: I haven't seen anyone here tell Len to shut up (as in "shut
the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel") or to go away. But he has done
so several times.

Who is trying to stop who?

I may or may not like the politics of Mr Powell, but whether he
has said or done anyhing I didn't like, I can't say he was lying or
obviously being deceitful in his dealings with Amateur Radio.


C'mon, Steve, anyone who knows a little about radio knows that BPL is a
real
threat to every radio service that uses the same frequencies. Anyone
who
knows a little about the whole theory of why FCC exists knows that one
of its
fundamental purposes is to protect licensed radio services from
avoidable
interference - either from other radio services, or from other
electrical
devices and systems.

All Mr. Powell had to do was look at the measurements and observations
made
by any number of observers - including but not limited to ARRL - and it
was
obvious what would happen. Or look at the experiences in other
countries. Or
declare that *any* interference complaints would result in immediate
BPL system shutdown until the problem was fixed. Instead, the business
model overrode the engineering model.

Perhaps all the outcry from hams and the ARRL may yet carry the day
against
BPL. Note how few systems are actually in operation, and how many have

shut down. Note also how many that were under consideration have not
gone
forward due to the interference issue. Meanwhile, DSL, cable and WiFi
expand
daily.

73 de Jim, N2EY


So in the end, Jim confirms that Steve's "assertion of fact," i.e.,
"Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from" doesn't stop anyone else from
making uninformed decision which changes all of ham radio. So if Mike
Powell can have an uninformed opinion, why can't anyone else?

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"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-)

Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning"
a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-)

Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO!

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

"RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's
where the major international communications networks WERE in
the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a
volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters
for an Army station.

In Jim's circles, there is no "volunteering." You get bad grades and
your waiver goes away. Then the Draftsman comes knocking.

Tsk, the "knocking" stopped about 32 years ago. Jimmie has NO
worry. He could sit back in comfortable safety in PA and read
all about the military and international realpolitik without
once having participated in anything.


How many Soviet aircraft did you see when you were in Japan in the
1950s, Len?


Only one, but at a distance, couldn't get close enough to read
any manufacturer's tags on the airframe of the MiG. From a
North Korean defector who flew it to South Korea, was in display
at a USAF base on Honshu.

I've seen Soviet aircraft without being overseas. I've seen them on
RADAR penetrating CONUS airspace.

So where were you when you saw Soviet aircraft? How did you serve?


Jimmie did proofreading on the Brit series "Janes All The World
Aircraft." Did that at the local public library.

He became a Virtual
military expert without once being IN any branch or working in
any office of the Department of Defense.


I don't claim to be an expert in anything.


That would probably be for the best.


Ah, but he comes ON like the CEO of the newsgroup. :-)

You've never been "IN" amateur radio, yet you want to tell us How It
Should Be.


When you merely want to exclude people??? I've no problem with him
anything he might say to you with your kind of attitude.


Jimmie needs to be newsgroup CEO.

Getting to the heart of the matter, Jimmie feels TERRIBLY "insulted"
when one doesn't like what Jimmie likes.


Not true. You're the one who calls people names, and tells them to shut up
if they don't agree with you.


Jim calls them jackasses.


PCTA Extra Double Standard. QED.

[he is regularly bringing up old, faded postings from Google as
if to continue to "do battle" on those topics forever and ever]


Gee, Len, you bring up even older and more faded stuff about


Highly respected...

defunct
ham radio magazines and your experiences of a half-century ago.


Every issue of QST has excerpts from half a century ago. I've never,
ever, ever seen you complain. Ever.


Brian, careful, you know how painful it is to remind Jimmie
of the obvious. Pastor Jimmie might write another Sermon on
the Antenna Mount!

Why
is it OK for you to rehash events of 20, 30, 50 years ago, but not
OK for others to remind you of the events of 2 or 3 years past?


Because you say it isn't OK for Len to remind you of events of 50 years
ago, but never comment when the ARRL does it.


Jimmie wants to rehash what I was "supposed to do" in Japan,
but Jimmie has NEVER served in any military anywhere anytime.
That's "okay."

Jimmie wants Total Agreement with his OPINIONS. If there is
no Total Agreement, then dissention is "wrong," must be
BANNED, shouted down, tarred and feathered, etc., etc.

Seems like a double standard on your part.


Double-standard, indeed. That could be your middle name.


I think it should be just "H" (for hypocrite).

Jimmie wants NUMBERS? He is regularly giving some sort of
tabulation
on the "valid licenses" of radio amateurs in the USA.


No, I'm not. You're mistaken, Len. Wrong again.


Are you absolutely, positively sure?


Jimmie is never wrong. Other people are wrong...when they
disagree with Jimmie.

The numbers I post here twice a month are those of current, unexpired
FCC amateur licenses held by individuals. That's stated in each post.
The word valid is not used to describe them.


They are invalid numbers? They are invalid licenses?


Jimmie loves wordplay, spending long hours at his old, faded
computer, exercising his imaginary powers of CEO of the
newsgroup. He's wasting lots of folks' time.



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"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-)

Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning"
a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-)

Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO!

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

"RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's
where the major international communications networks WERE in
the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a
volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters
for an Army station.

In Jim's circles, there is no "volunteering." You get bad grades and
your waiver goes away. Then the Draftsman comes knocking.

Tsk, the "knocking" stopped about 32 years ago. Jimmie has NO
worry. He could sit back in comfortable safety in PA and read
all about the military and international realpolitik without
once having participated in anything.

How many Soviet aircraft did you see when you were in Japan in the
1950s, Len?


Only one, but at a distance, couldn't get close enough to
read
any manufacturer's tags on the airframe of the MiG. From a
North Korean defector who flew it to South Korea, was in
display at a USAF base on Honshu.


So in fact W3RV has seen more Soviet military aircraft than
you..and he saw them in flight, crewed by non-defectors.

I've seen Soviet aircraft without being overseas. I've seen

them on RADAR penetrating CONUS airspace.


Aeroflot?

You've never been "IN" amateur radio, yet you want to
tell us How It Should Be.


When you merely want to exclude people??? I've no
problem with him
anything he might say to you with your kind of attitude.


Jimmie needs to be newsgroup CEO.


Not me, Len. I'm not the one telling people to shut up
or go away.

Getting to the heart of the matter, Jimmie feels
TERRIBLY "insulted"
when one doesn't like what Jimmie likes.

Not true. You're the one who calls people names, and
tells them to shut up
if they don't agree with you.


Jim calls them jackasses.


I've never called anyone here a jackass.

What I have done is describe some of their *behavior* as
"jackass behavior".

[he is regularly bringing up old, faded postings
from Google as
if to continue to "do battle" on those topics
forever and ever]

Gee, Len, you bring up even older and more faded stuff about


Highly respected...


defunct
ham radio magazines and your experiences of a half-century
ago.


Every issue of QST has excerpts from half a century ago. I've
never,
ever, ever seen you complain. Ever.


Half a page devoted to past issues of 25, 50, 75 years ago. Out of
a magazine of well over 100 pages.

And each month the information is different. Len tells the same
tired stories over and over again.

Why
is it OK for you to rehash events of 20, 30, 50 years ago,
but not
OK for others to remind you of the events of 2 or 3 years
past?


Because you say it isn't OK for Len to remind you of events
of 50 years
ago, but never comment when the ARRL does it.


Jimmie wants to rehash what I was "supposed to do" in Japan,


Where do you get that. Len? Where did I ever say what you
were supposed to do in Japan?

Jimmie wants Total Agreement with his OPINIONS. If there is
no Total Agreement, then dissention is "wrong," must be
BANNED, shouted down, tarred and feathered, etc., etc.


You just can't take strong opposition to your opinions, Len.

Seems like a double standard on your part.


Double-standard, indeed. That could be your middle name.


I think it should be just "H" (for hypocrite).


Len - *your* middle initial is "H". Mine isn't.

Jimmie wants NUMBERS? He is regularly giving
some sort of
tabulation
on the "valid licenses" of radio amateurs in the USA.

No, I'm not. You're mistaken, Len. Wrong again.


Are you absolutely, positively sure?


On that point, yes.

The numbers I post here twice a month are those of
current, unexpired
FCC amateur licenses held by individuals.
That's stated in each post.
The word valid is not used to describe them.


They are invalid numbers? They are invalid licenses?


They are current licenses - as opposed to expired licenses,
cancelled licenses, revoked licenses.

Jimmie loves wordplay, spending long hours at his old, faded
computer,


Gee, Len, your verbiage output here far exceeds mine. You seem
to be describing yourself!

exercising his imaginary powers of CEO of the
newsgroup. He's wasting lots of folks' time.


Do you want me to shut up, Len?

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