From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:35 pm

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From: on Mon,May 23 2005 3:57 am



"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-)

Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning"
a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-)

Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO!

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

"RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's
where the major international communications networks WERE in
the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a
volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters
for an Army station.

In Jim's circles, there is no "volunteering." You get bad grades and
your waiver goes away. Then the Draftsman comes knocking.

Tsk, the "knocking" stopped about 32 years ago. Jimmie has NO
worry. He could sit back in comfortable safety in PA and read
all about the military and international realpolitik without
once having participated in anything. He became a Virtual
military expert without once being IN any branch or working in
any office of the Department of Defense.

Getting to the heart of the matter, Jimmie feels TERRIBLY "insulted"
when one doesn't like what Jimmie likes. The slightest negativistic
opinion to his lofty views of What Should Be is considered a gaffe
of major proportions. He will carry that with him for years and
years, attempting to force a continuing confrontation over long-past
discussion threads...the most others have dropped long ago. :-)

[he is regularly bringing up old, faded postings from Google as
if to continue to "do battle" on those topics forever and ever]

But, staying with old things seems his forte' such as with homebuilt
vacuum tube transmitters "designed" and built in the 1990s...which
(according to him) amazes his neighbors when he can draw schematics
of it and describe details on it from memory. :-) In my career,
I've never encountered any design engineer who couldn't do that on
his/her designs! [Jimmie says he is an engineer...but the closest
he has come to details on that is (from a Comment at the ECFS) "in
the vehicle transportation industry."] [it might be "radio cars"
or something like that?]

Jimmie wants NUMBERS? He is regularly giving some sort of
tabulation
on the "valid licenses" of radio amateurs in the USA. However, he
has not described the sorting program used or which download of the
FCC database used as a base of that tabulation. [slightly over
three quarters of a million records to process] We are to accept
his NUMBERS as "correct" because Jimmie never makes mistakes. All
others, ESPECIALLY those challenging him, always "make mistakes."

Most folks would accept some website that regularly downloads the
huge FCC amateur database, sorts it, and presents gross totals.
Not Jimmie. He wants "massaged" NUMBERS, showing only the "valid"
licensees..."valid" in HIS viewpoint. Jimmie needs MASSAGING
of those NUMBERS in order to "show us" something...and thus we get
the INTERPRETATIONS of those "valid" numbers. It's sort of like
laying-on-of-hands devination, almost mystical, guruistic. No one
dare defy such radio gods...the Wrath of Jimmie will descend upon
the newsgroup years in the future, demanding "discussion" on that
so that Jimmie can "triumph" and be gloriously "correct." :-)

I especially like his "reason" for maintaining the code test for
all amateurs having below-30-MHz operating privileges: "Morse
code is the SECOND-most popular mode on HF, therefore the code
test 'deserves' to remain!" [I'll drop any comments on his plea
for the code test for a "universal language" for amateurs so that
all U.S. ham licensees "can talk to the 'underprivileged' hams
of the world via morse]

He IS persistent to a neurotic degree. Indefatigable although
he never wore "fatigues." Maybe he DOES have a Time Machine? :-)

From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:51 pm

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Was FEC Hq "in danger" from
its "rear-area location?" Depends on what you "4F" types
want to call "danger" from your safe locations in the states.

I was never classified "4F", Len. I still have my draft card, btw.

And your college deferment? marital? fatherhood?

Actually irrelevant...the "draft" ended on 27 January 1973. :-)

Jimmie isn't really old enough to be CONSIDERED for any "draft"
prior to the beginning of 1973, despite his self-portrayal as
a "seasoned old ham." [back to the smokehouse with that one...]

From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:56 pm

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
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Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.

That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors. But it must
stop Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost.

The Avenging Angle of Dearth is off on another tangent.

Gosh, do you think that "experience" is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY?

The FCC doesn't require ANY staff or commissioners to hold
amateur radio licenses in order to REGULATE U.S. amateur radio!

["Sunnuvagun!" as Hans might remark...]

"Civil discourse" by Sevie (or Stebie, depending on which alter ego
is gabbling) consists of his wanting to crucify me on charges of
something like Treason or Sedition for honoring the members of my
Signal Battalion, continually calling me a "penis head" using a
Yiddish pejorative, and denouncing my knowledge of radio by not
"knowing the truth" about helicopters! :-)

Tsk. The PCTA Extra Double Standard *MUST* prevail to those
"civil discoursairs" ranging the high seas and destroying all
vestiges of discontent in their HOBBY.

I especially like Jimmie's "reason" for retention of the code test:
it is the SECOND most popular mode on ham HF bands, therefore the
test MUST remain!" Sevie (or Stebie) would probably require all
examinees to tap out the words to the Marines Him in morse as well.

"Civility" = total and absolute agreement with whatever the ARRL
publishes, anytime and anywhere.

1984 came and is still with us.

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From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:51 pm

wrote:
wrote:
Was FEC Hq "in danger" from
its "rear-area location?" Depends on what you "4F"
types
want to call "danger" from your safe locations in the
states.

I was never classified "4F", Len. I still have my draft
card, btw.

And your college deferment? marital? fatherhood?

Actually irrelevant...the "draft" ended on 27 January
1973. :-)

The last man to be drafted in the USA entered the Army
on June 30, 1973.

Jimmie isn't really old enough to be CONSIDERED for
any "draft"
prior to the beginning of 1973,

I was 18 in April of 1972, Len. I registered and got my
card. Still have it as a reminder of those times.

Marital and parental deferments ended in the 1960s IIRC.
I never had any sort of deferment or exemption from the
draft.

despite his self-portrayal as
a "seasoned old ham."

I've been an active radio amateur for 37-1/2 years. I've
never described myself as a "seasoned old ham".

You aren't even a beginner in ham radio, Len. A grade
schooler with a brand new Technician license is more
qualified as a radio amateur than you are.

From: on Thurs,May 26 2005 4:35 am

K4YZ wrote:
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K4YZ wrote:
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Whether the discussion is "informed" or not isn't the issue,
Steve. My point was about Len's ability to have *civil*
(as in well-mannered) discussion with those who disagree
with him.

Point taken. You're quite right.

I've tried many times, but Len insists on responding to
my disagreement with direct insults, even though I didn't
insult him. Apparently he sees my disagreement as an insult.

Obviously.

Of course his insistance on using diminutives when you clearly
address him with at least the accepted social civility
demonstrates what we've been saying all along.

Think about why Len does all that.

Heh heh heh. It couldn't be because of Robeson calling me
penis head in Yiddish or now trying to level a charge of
"shame" on my military service record? :-)

But if I just call him Len, or Mr.
Anderson, his attempt to misdirect fails.

Sir James, you need not bow but you can quit trying to give
me the finger...! :-)

This does not mean letting his mistakes go unchallenged. Nor does
it mean not calling his bull**** what it is.

Ah...there it is...ANY disagreement with Sir James of Miccolis
is "bull****!" :-)

No one doubts his "inside the black box" knowledge,

I do, Steve. Len talks a lot of nomenclature and buzzwords
but when it comes to actually solving practical radio problems
we don't see anything. His articles for ham radio (22 years
ago) were all basic theory, not practical projects.

That's "simply untrue," your most esteemed noble highness
Sir James of Miccolis. Tsk, tsk, tsk, you haven't read
beyond your ham publications! :-)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....Good point. And when I think back on
it, Lennie fought tooth-and-nail to get involved in a meaningful
discussion on microwave technology.

Tsk, tsk. Stebie has been told a MILLION times not to
exaggerate! :-)

Anybody can "discuss" with a little point-and-click research. I'm
talking about actually *doing* something, such as an actual project.

Tsk. Jimmie is invited to the Long Beach, CA, International
Microwave Symposium during the entire second week of June this
year. "Actual projects!" :-)

Len will tell you all about some piece of gear he worked on at some job
years ago. But ask him what he has recently built at home, on his own
time, with his own resources, and he's got nothing to show you.

WHY must Sir James "be shown?" Does that have anything to do
with unexpected ungratuitous compliments not received for his
"state of the art" amateur radio transmitter using vacuum
tubes and done in the 1990s? The one where his neighbors
were amazed at his knowledge and description of that "project?"
:-)

He'll go on and on about "some Extras" at the radio store who didn't
know much about the triple loop PLL system in his R-70 - 22+ years ago.
But in fact he didn't design or build the thing.

Tsk. Mention something just twice in here and Sir Jimmie puts
the label of "going on and on about it!" :-)

So, how many "projects" has Jimmie designed and built using
PLLs? Or DDSs?

How many "radios" has Jimmie designed/built at his work?
Especially those NOT done from kits...?



Nothing wrong with any of that but it sure was surreal.

Tsk. ANYTHING not done in the "accepted traditional" way is
"surreal" to Sir James of the Nobel Houses of PA.

Of couse ALL he has offered Amateur Radio are arguments, name
calling and the aforementioned articles in said defunct magazine.

That's "simply untrue," Pilot In Command Stebie...[search Google]

If Len were really interested in microwaves and amateur radio, he'd
have gotten a license years ago. The Tech only required 5 wpm code,
when it had a code test.

Tsk, tsk, tsk! Jimmie gonna have a fit now, I did it differently.
Was a supervisor of microwave radio relay terminals in 1954-1956
while in the Army, terminals operating at 1.8 GHz. Then I got a
First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Operator License (only
one exam) in 1956, entered the California aerospace industry first
working at Hughes Aircraft Company in El Segundo, CA, worked some
more at microwaves (up in X-Band region) as well as from DC on up
to microwaves. So far, there wasn't any need to learn morse code
or "pass any morse code test" to transmit. Not even in 1960 when
I was working on Ka-Band microwave equipment (as well as UHF high
power sources). Class D CB was authorized in 1958 and that rather
ended any need for a "ham license" to use a voice transceiver.
Tsk. I've since transmitted from VLF on up to microwaves, in LF,
MF, HF, VHF, UHF on land, in the air, on the water, all without
having to pass any amateur radio license or pass any morse
code test! ["Sunnuvagun!"] All very LEGAL. [I won't go "on and
on" about actually being the co-owner of a business radio on high
VHF because Judge James doesn't approve of non-amateur things]

Well, Judge Sir James of the Noble Houses of CW decrees that I
shall NOT ever set foot in here without expressing some personal
desire of obtaining an amateur radio license! [he ate too many
torts, I think, either that or his legal briefs are too tight]

Tsk, tsk, Tsk, TSK...all I'm trying to do is argue against the
retention of the morse code test in federal regulations on U.S.
amateur radio. Instead, I am called names (in Yiddish by non-
Yiddish speakers), accused of Sedition and Treason Against The
State, and told that my opinions are "simply not true!"


Not THOSE I doubt were his...

however he
knows almost "diddly squat" about Amatuer Radio practice or
policy.

Not the point.

How about the Avenging Angle of Dearth's continual typos of
"amatuer" for 'amateur?' :-)


It is when he's humiliating himself by making assinine assertions
that are obviously not rooted in fact.

So? Correct his mistakes without behaving the way he does. Or just
ignore him.

Tsk, tsk. Stebie CANNOT ignore anyone. He is emotionally
volatile and triggers off faster than a vial of nitroglycerine
in a blender. Stebie shouts and hollers and insults and even
speaks in tongues, defaming ANYONE disagreeing with him! :-)

Ah, but there is now Love and Harmony in the PCTA Extra Double
Standard bearers. Jimmie now condones Stebie's actions. Of
course all of those PCTA Extras are examples of U.S. "Amatuer"
Radio, defending tradition and their tree house as if they had
all taken an Oath to Defend the Constitution (of the ARRL)
against ALL "enemies," with their Lives if necessary! :-)

Judge Sir James, Night of the Noble Houses of CW, keep
defending the NEED for the morse code test because it is the
SECOND-most-popular mode on HF ham bands! Be sure and spit on
any U.S. military veterans who don't love and cherish morse
code on Memorial Day. That's a good Night. Goodnight.

From: K4YZ on May 24, 2:42 am


Your vileness in the face of the looming Memorial Day is even more
emphatic than usual...even for you.


...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary
figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely
path
of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron in the
other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air,
interspersed
with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet extinct. The
Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep in the valley of
neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single sentinel counts
cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux you" between the slow
steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do bottle but only sipping a
cup of unkindness. It is sad but the sentinel at the Tomb of the
Unknown Solder keeps going. He does not know why and that is the
tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder
leaving only the red light of fire in the eyes of the muttering
sentinel. Those glow in the dark like LED pilot lights. Hatred
lives on in his twilight of despair.

Temper fry.

wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military
and international socio-political politics are another group.

Then why do you go off on so many tangents, Len? You seem to be afraid
to have a civil discussion about amateur radio policy here.

In order to have a "civil discussion" on Amateur Radio policy,
Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from.

That never stopped Mike Powell or any of his predecessors.

"Mike Powell (and his) predecessors" staff out assignmentss who
ARE informed on the various issues.

Like they were informed about refarming the 220 band to UPS? BPL?

"UPS" was not the only entity involved in that "deal" Brain, and
Amateur Radio operators are as responsible for that folly as anyone.

Well, that's one opinion....

We had more than andequate opportunity to get that band "loaded
up" like 2 meters ('Use It Or Lose It") but didn't.

That happened for a bunch of reasons.

First off, 220 is not a ham band by international treaty. It's
primarily land mobile - we get it as a secondary allocation here in
Region 2 because the FCC lets us. Most parts of the world have never
had a band there. That's why it's not used for satellite comms.

And because of the relatively small market, the selection of
manufactured rigs for 220 was and is less than for 2 meters or 440.

All of which means FCC could reallocate some or all of 220 without
waiting for treaty changes.

BTW...remember the FIRST 'threat' to the 1.25m band and for what
purpose?

Yup. It was stopped by two factors: Opposition by hams (including
ARRL), and
disinterest by the users who would supposedly migrate there.

The first threat was from the EIA, who saw an opportunity to sell lots
of new
radios, antennas and accessories, while relieving the congestion on the
existing
allocation. The users didn't like the fact that almost all of their
existing equipment would become useless.

In both cases, the original threat was to the entire band, then part of
it.

Perhaps more amateur activity would have saved 220-222.

But it must Len. Len must be stopped "SOMEhow!" At any cost.

Fun fact: I haven't seen anyone here tell Len to shut up (as in "shut
the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel") or to go away. But he has done
so several times.

Who is trying to stop who?

I may or may not like the politics of Mr Powell, but whether he
has said or done anyhing I didn't like, I can't say he was lying or
obviously being deceitful in his dealings with Amateur Radio.

C'mon, Steve, anyone who knows a little about radio knows that BPL is a
real
threat to every radio service that uses the same frequencies. Anyone
who
knows a little about the whole theory of why FCC exists knows that one
of its
fundamental purposes is to protect licensed radio services from
avoidable
interference - either from other radio services, or from other
electrical
devices and systems.

All Mr. Powell had to do was look at the measurements and observations
made
by any number of observers - including but not limited to ARRL - and it
was
obvious what would happen. Or look at the experiences in other
countries. Or
declare that *any* interference complaints would result in immediate
BPL system shutdown until the problem was fixed. Instead, the business
model overrode the engineering model.

Perhaps all the outcry from hams and the ARRL may yet carry the day
against
BPL. Note how few systems are actually in operation, and how many have

shut down. Note also how many that were under consideration have not
gone
forward due to the interference issue. Meanwhile, DSL, cable and WiFi
expand
daily.

73 de Jim, N2EY

So in the end, Jim confirms that Steve's "assertion of fact," i.e.,
"Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from" doesn't stop anyone else from
making uninformed decision which changes all of ham radio. So if Mike
Powell can have an uninformed opinion, why can't anyone else?

wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 25 2005 3:51 pm

wrote:
wrote:
Was FEC Hq "in danger" from
its "rear-area location?" Depends on what you "4F" types
want to call "danger" from your safe locations in the states.

I was never classified "4F", Len. I still have my draft card, btw.

And your college deferment? marital? fatherhood?

Actually irrelevant...the "draft" ended on 27 January 1973. :-)

Jimmie isn't really old enough to be CONSIDERED for any "draft"
prior to the beginning of 1973, despite his self-portrayal as
a "seasoned old ham." [back to the smokehouse with that one...]



He has a "draft card." I guess if he gets it punched five times, the
sixth beer is free?

From: "bb" on Thurs,May 26 2005 6:12 pm

wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
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73 de Jim, N2EY

So in the end, Jim confirms that Steve's "assertion of fact," i.e.,
"Lennie would have to have some sort of experience from which to make
informed opinions or suggestions from" doesn't stop anyone else from
making uninformed decision which changes all of ham radio. So if Mike
Powell can have an uninformed opinion, why can't anyone else?

Nobody can unless they've taken a code test. Mikey Powell
didn't so Judge Sir James of Morsemanhall forced him to
resign... :-)

beep, beep

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From: on Thurs,May 26 2005 4:35 am

No one doubts his "inside the black box" knowledge,

I do, Steve. Len talks a lot of nomenclature and buzzwords
but when it comes to actually solving practical radio problems
we don't see anything. His articles for ham radio (22 years
ago) were all basic theory, not practical projects.

That's "simply untrue," your most esteemed noble highness
Sir James of Miccolis. Tsk, tsk, tsk, you haven't read
beyond your ham publications!

Ahhhhhh....But Lennie, as YOU have been pointing out, THIS forum
is about AMATEUR RADIO...

And at least three of us have been challenging you to present some
sort of reference to something you've done RECENTLY for "radio"...

I'd call anything in the last 5 years "recent".

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....Good point. And when I think back on
it, Lennie fought tooth-and-nail to get involved in a meaningful
discussion on microwave technology.

Tsk, tsk. Stebie has been told a MILLION times not to
exaggerate!

No exaggeration.

You made the claim that all your engineering bretheren could offer
so much to Amatuer Radio. Then we asked YOU to ante up on some of
that.

You balked.

Anybody can "discuss" with a little point-and-click research. I'm
talking about actually *doing* something, such as an actual project.

Tsk. Jimmie is invited to the Long Beach, CA, International
Microwave Symposium during the entire second week of June this
year. "Actual projects!"

But none by Leonard H. Anderson and certainly none by Leonard H.
Anderson related to Amateur Radio.

Not a one.

Of couse ALL he has offered Amateur Radio are arguments, name
calling and the aforementioned articles in said defunct magazine.

That's "simply untrue," Pilot In Command Stebie...[search Google]

All you have offered Amateur Radio is argument and insult.

If Len were really interested in microwaves and amateur radio, he'd
have gotten a license years ago. The Tech only required 5 wpm code,
when it had a code test.

Tsk, tsk, tsk! Jimmie gonna have a fit now, I did it differently.
Was a supervisor of microwave radio relay terminals in 1954-1956
while in the Army, terminals operating at 1.8 GHz...(SNIP)

Usual "...back in 1954..." story line.

Not a single Amateur Radio relevent item.

So? Correct his mistakes without behaving the way he does. Or just
ignore him.

Tsk, tsk. Stebie CANNOT ignore anyone. He is emotionally
volatile and triggers off faster than a vial of nitroglycerine
in a blender. Stebie shouts and hollers and insults and even
speaks in tongues, defaming ANYONE disagreeing with him!

What defamation, Lennie?

You're a liar. Been caught dozens of times.

You're not an Amateur Radio licensee. Siad you'd GET an Amateur
license, but never did.

Your SOLE purpose here is as combative-antagonist.

You're the RRAP version of Iraqui "insurgents"....Most are not
even Iraqui, and just come in form other places to get into a fight.

Ah, but there is now Love and Harmony in the PCTA Extra Double
Standard bearers. Jimmie now condones Stebie's actions.

What "actions"...?!?! Calling a liar a liar? What's wrong with
that?

Be sure and spit on
any U.S. military veterans who don't love and cherish morse
code on Memorial Day.

I've restrained myself on a lot of my adjectives of choice,
Lennie, but that comment warrants the re-issuance of the title
"scumbag" upon your shouders.

You brazenly wordsmith yourself into familiarity with Soldiers who
died in combat before you were ever in the service, then claim victim
status as a "veteran" when it suits you for your own emotional
handwringing.

FYI, Lennie...Since your offering of a middle finger salute the
other day I've started collecting caffinated drinks...I'll have a very
special 'salute' for YOUR funeral...(Hint to Mrs Lennie...wear
Scotchguarded footwear that day...)

Steve, K4YZ