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I have a "use for CW". I use it to communicate with others using the same
mode. I use it to participate in Amateur Radio. If you or your ilk don't care to do so. Stay the hell off my frequency. Have a good day idiot. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when dropping code would have saved ham radio--I fear that time has come and gone... cw has no real use to anyone, anymore... it is like having to learn to type to use the internet... no such requirement... however, because typing DOES have a use--you will find many learning to type after they realize the need... ... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging... they have been made even simplier still... yet amateur radio declined and continues to do so-- ... now "critical mass" has been reached, so many other forms of communication exist that amateur radio is on its' death march... radios are so far and few between... and so little demand... they are too expensive with most to bother with... you could give ham licences away in the streets and not improve that... ... no, the OMs' alzheimers and lack of ability to see the future has killed ham radio--you'd think the old guys must have hated it--to have stood by and watched it die--if what you say is correct--and they DID have all their mental facilities about them and still allowed it... Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Nice try, John In the original post I stated "just for grins". As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day when the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out what my change was. She had to call a manager! I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for a week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains. Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains! I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to high power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away. What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there. As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license as well .... Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but the underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for *everyone*. This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a repeater which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more. Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally, there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the world, total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed, there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300 gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed many times since. At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way. Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning. Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share should this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the mp3 cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I hope they enjoy my tunes: 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "John Smith" wrote in message ... It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just so others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are gone to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return... however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead... Regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: ... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging I think you need to go back and look at the early exams. There was a time when an applicant was required to actually draw a schematic of various circuits and explaine how they worked. Is that supposed to be hard? And even after the exams became multiple choice type, one had to know the material to get the correct answer as the answers to the acutal questions were not available. Yeah. You'll find that question pool bugaboo in a lot of fields these days, including fields where if a person makes a mistake because of not knowing the material, lives may be lost. There were study guides with sample questions, but no questions pools with the exact answer available for memorization. Now if you want *really* hard, make it no study guide, no question pool, and the applicant has to do all the learning research with NO idea of what is on the test! 8^) If you did not know the theory, then you probably weren't going to pass. Again john smith knows not of what he speaks. I took the tests from the question pools. For me, they were all pretty easy. They were not easy because of the question pools. They were easy because they were fairly basic material. What I have seen of the earlier test is that they too were pretty basic. Any difference is not so great that those who came before need not feel any superiority. I aced the Technician test with the only study being the safety questions. I did study a bit for the General. For the Extra, I spent a week taking the on-line tests. Questions that I knew the answer to, I got right of course. Those that I got wrong earned me a trip to the books or online to find out why I got it wrong. By the time I was finished, I aced the test just about every time on line, and then in the actual test. And I knew the material. Elapsed time, one week. Now the Morse code was another thing entirely. That was hard. But then I'm just a dum nickel extra! ;^) - Mike KB3EIA - Mike, I believe what the gentleman was trying to convey is that the present day tests are a total farce. The answer is readly available and it is just a "formality" to even pass it. You said you compaired some of the older tests. Just how far back did you go? The commenter was obviously refering to those tests given in the 50 and 60. I like to call it the error of "BB" . You know....before Bash. If you don't know what I am refering to, then you had no right to comment the way you did. Have a nice day. Dan/W4NTI |
"KØHB" wrote in message ups.com... Jim Hampton wrote: I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can vertical :) Ah yes, a vertical 'beverage' antenna! Our FD group had one for 20M, but we had to quit using it when our FD QTH changed to the football field of a local High School. Anyhow, Happy Birthday! 73, de Hans, K0HB Happy B-day guy. Our club group built a 3 element 160 meter yagi out of steel beer cans for a Field Day one year. Dan/W4NTI |
"Steveo" wrote in message ... "Jim Hampton" wrote: I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can vertical :) Fortunately, the better half didn't get upset ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Happy belated B-day, Jim. Many more returns! 160 meter half wave, is that anything like enough beer to float a battleship? g Only if it tied to a blivit. Dan/W4NTI |
Dan,
I must ask ... did you rotate the whole county to turn the beam? :) 73, Jim AA2QA "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... "KØHB" wrote in message ups.com... Jim Hampton wrote: I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can vertical :) Ah yes, a vertical 'beverage' antenna! Our FD group had one for 20M, but we had to quit using it when our FD QTH changed to the football field of a local High School. Anyhow, Happy Birthday! 73, de Hans, K0HB Happy B-day guy. Our club group built a 3 element 160 meter yagi out of steel beer cans for a Field Day one year. Dan/W4NTI |
wrote in message ups.com... Jim Hampton wrote: "KØHB" wrote in message nk.net... One interesting thing of note - text messaging I'd consider similar to cw in one thing - it may be fun, but not highly useful. I disagree! They're both highly useful. Just in different ways. If one needs to send a lot of text, a computer and the Internet just might be considerably faster (assuming one can touch type at a reasonable rate). Of course! But then you need a readout device. Usefulness depends on the application. Via radio, there are digital modes, of course, and text can be reliably sent much faster with many of the digital modes (even the very dated RTTY). Sure - if someone has the equipment handy. But the whole digital-mode-faster thing is kind of bogus in my view. It's like saying that since we have cars, there's no reason to have competitions where people run anymore. Heck, why doesn't everyone in the Olympic marathon use rollerblades? The times would drop dramatically. I have to chuckle at the length of this thread; I thought it an interesting link and figured there would be a couple of cw detractors that would answer, but the thread turned out a bit longer than I figured. I keep forgetting how heated the cw vs no cw arguement can get. The telling part is that the anticode folks call the test "rigged" and other nonsense in an attempt to discredit what happened. But the plain simple fact is that a couple of good Morse Code operators, going about 1/3 the world-record speed, were faster than the *world record holders* in text messaging. What they missed is that the whole point of the segment was to show that "newer" isn't always "faster/better/easier" and that "older" doesn't equal "useless". The outfits on the two teams were a visual way of adding to that. One member of the Morse Code team was reportedly at Dayton in his telegrapher outfit. I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can vertical :) Hope it was happy. Trouble is they put beer in aluminum cans now... Hello, Hans Well, when I was really fairly good at Morse, I copied 40 words per minute with no errors in Bainbridge, MD in "A" school. Many folks forget that digital modes (and lets include cw for this one) are relatively errorless despite numbers and spellings that are difficult. There are a number of folks that would have problems typing 30 words per minute, let alone 50 for a really good CW op. A teletype or even the modern modes aren't going to help (even the Internet) if you can't type well. Some people think that because they can "cut and paste" or forward a message that makes them some kind of superior communicator. The name of the game is to have fun - and, if you are intelligent, be prepared. What kind of tuner did you use for that fence (read "antenna") on Saipan? Man, you were pounding in. Too bad the folks at the receiver site didn't understand about reducing rf/if gain LOL. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Steveo" wrote in message ... "Jim Hampton" wrote: I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can vertical :) Fortunately, the better half didn't get upset ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Happy belated B-day, Jim. Many more returns! 160 meter half wave, is that anything like enough beer to float a battleship? g Hello, Mopar No, but my head would have believe do the next day :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
On Sun, 22 May 2005 17:08:37 -0700, John Smith wrote:
: You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio : dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when Difficult premise, coupled with a fuzzy definition. What does "dying" mean to you? If you're going to assert that amateur radio is dying, then you need to come up with a working definition of "dying" so that others can decide if you're right. My problem is that, when I review the statistics, there isn't any such process which can be clearly identified. True, over the very recent past the total number of licenses has declined, but that decline is on the order of 2% since April, 2004. If the baseline is made longer, and totals going back to 1995 are examined, a 2% change in the total amateur population is seen to lie well within the noise (two year variance). It is therefore difficult to decide if it is significant without resorting to a detailed statistical analysis. My sense is that it isn't significant (yet). It looks as though the trend line (least-squares, linear fit) is horizontal, and only additional time will tell if it really has a negative slope. To reiterate, those who run around claiming that "amateur radio is dying" can't seem to either articulate what "dying" means or to prove their case. And as the old Shania Twain song says, "That don't impress me much." |
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John "Stagger Lee" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 May 2005 17:08:37 -0700, John Smith wrote: : You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio : dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when Difficult premise, coupled with a fuzzy definition. What does "dying" mean to you? If you're going to assert that amateur radio is dying, then you need to come up with a working definition of "dying" so that others can decide if you're right. My problem is that, when I review the statistics, there isn't any such process which can be clearly identified. True, over the very recent past the total number of licenses has declined, but that decline is on the order of 2% since April, 2004. If the baseline is made longer, and totals going back to 1995 are examined, a 2% change in the total amateur population is seen to lie well within the noise (two year variance). It is therefore difficult to decide if it is significant without resorting to a detailed statistical analysis. My sense is that it isn't significant (yet). It looks as though the trend line (least-squares, linear fit) is horizontal, and only additional time will tell if it really has a negative slope. To reiterate, those who run around claiming that "amateur radio is dying" can't seem to either articulate what "dying" means or to prove their case. And as the old Shania Twain song says, "That don't impress me much." |
Dan:
You will never find me using cw... you will never finding me talking to anyone of your ilk... fear not... John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... I have a "use for CW". I use it to communicate with others using the same mode. I use it to participate in Amateur Radio. If you or your ilk don't care to do so. Stay the hell off my frequency. Have a good day idiot. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when dropping code would have saved ham radio--I fear that time has come and gone... cw has no real use to anyone, anymore... it is like having to learn to type to use the internet... no such requirement... however, because typing DOES have a use--you will find many learning to type after they realize the need... ... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging... they have been made even simplier still... yet amateur radio declined and continues to do so-- ... now "critical mass" has been reached, so many other forms of communication exist that amateur radio is on its' death march... radios are so far and few between... and so little demand... they are too expensive with most to bother with... you could give ham licences away in the streets and not improve that... ... no, the OMs' alzheimers and lack of ability to see the future has killed ham radio--you'd think the old guys must have hated it--to have stood by and watched it die--if what you say is correct--and they DID have all their mental facilities about them and still allowed it... Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Nice try, John In the original post I stated "just for grins". As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day when the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out what my change was. She had to call a manager! I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for a week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains. Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains! I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to high power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away. What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there. As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license as well .... Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but the underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for *everyone*. This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a repeater which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more. Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally, there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the world, total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed, there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300 gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed many times since. At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way. Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning. Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share should this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the mp3 cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I hope they enjoy my tunes: 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "John Smith" wrote in message ... It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just so others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are gone to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return... however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead... Regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote Our club group built a 3 element 160 meter yagi out of steel beer cans for a Field Day one year. Hey Dan, Do you know how to tell the difference between a fairy-tale and a sea-story? Scroll down A fairy-tale starts out --- "Once upon a time....." A sea-story starts out --- "Now this is no ****....." dit dit 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Naaa, it is true--I was the one who drank all the beer so they'd have those
cans to use... grin Warmest regards, John "KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote Our club group built a 3 element 160 meter yagi out of steel beer cans for a Field Day one year. Hey Dan, Do you know how to tell the difference between a fairy-tale and a sea-story? Scroll down A fairy-tale starts out --- "Once upon a time....." A sea-story starts out --- "Now this is no ****....." dit dit 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when dropping code would have saved ham radio--I fear that time has come and gone... cw has no real use to anyone, anymore... it is like having to learn to type to use the internet... no such requirement... however, because typing DOES have a use--you will find many learning to type after they realize the need... ... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging... they have been made even simplier still... yet amateur radio declined and continues to do so-- ... now "critical mass" has been reached, so many other forms of communication exist that amateur radio is on its' death march... radios are so far and few between... and so little demand... they are too expensive with most to bother with... you could give ham licences away in the streets and not improve that... ... no, the OMs' alzheimers and lack of ability to see the future has killed ham radio--you'd think the old guys must have hated it--to have stood by and watched it die--if what you say is correct--and they DID have all their mental facilities about them and still allowed it... Warmest regards, John Hello, John I suspect that Morse testing will be dropped. When, I'm not sure, but some countries have done so already. I honestly believe (but could be wrong) that most of the older amateurs (say the 20 wpm extra gang of which I am one) do not believe that Morse should be required. Hopefully, that will end some of the contention amongst some of us. The reality is that amateur radio does need some infusion of young blood. Having just celebrated my 58th birthday, I can appreciate that LOL. There are a lot of different forms of communication. I suspect that some people will be attracted to amateur radio simply because of the vast amount of experimentation that can be done at reasonable powers (you don't need kilowatts, but a few milliwatts may not suffice). I've been moderating one Yahoo group (and now co-own it) which is devoted to helping folks get their tickets. The biggest thing is not to have the hams flame the cbers or scanner enthusiasts. We are all interested in radio (or television - or other modes, for that matter) and the flame wars are the biggest deterrent (not Morse code), at least in my mind. Flame wars do *not* happen. Moderation until folks calm down and removal or even banning if they continue. There are too many good folks in cb and amateur radio (not to mention scanner and sw folks) to let the flamers wreck everything. As far as mental ability, I tried like heck to kill mine when I celebrated my birthday. The only result was a big headache LOL. You and I might have a minor disagreement, but it appears you are willing to discuss it. So am I. As to typing, I had an interview some number of years ago and when it was mentioned that the individual that was to be replaced was producing their newsletter, I mentioned that I could type over 65 words per minute on a bad day into a headwind. When they said "we don't type anymore, we use computers", I stated that I believed it was time to call a halt to the interview. Certainly keyboards have changed a bit (I remember close to 50 years ago, my father had an old typewriter with a "cents" figure on it), but the keys (alpha and numerics) are laid out the same. Yes, the computer keyboard has an extra set of keys with numbers (use the numbers lock) on it. Still, I have no problem with 65 words per minute. I admit I'm down a bit from the time I had to fight a 100 word per minute teletype to get burst of 92 words per minute out, but I still have no real problem either typing or programming. Some of us are trying to pass the torch to younger folks. The plain fact is that amateur radio need younger folks (not to mention more women). If you might be interested in joining, please e-mail me off group. The address is 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
wrote in message ups.com... Jim Hampton wrote: "KØHB" wrote in message nk.net... One interesting thing of note - text messaging I'd consider similar to cw in one thing - it may be fun, but not highly useful. I disagree! They're both highly useful. Just in different ways. If one needs to send a lot of text, a computer and the Internet just might be considerably faster (assuming one can touch type at a reasonable rate). Of course! But then you need a readout device. Usefulness depends on the application. Via radio, there are digital modes, of course, and text can be reliably sent much faster with many of the digital modes (even the very dated RTTY). Sure - if someone has the equipment handy. But the whole digital-mode-faster thing is kind of bogus in my view. It's like saying that since we have cars, there's no reason to have competitions where people run anymore. Heck, why doesn't everyone in the Olympic marathon use rollerblades? The times would drop dramatically. I have to chuckle at the length of this thread; I thought it an interesting link and figured there would be a couple of cw detractors that would answer, but the thread turned out a bit longer than I figured. I keep forgetting how heated the cw vs no cw arguement can get. The telling part is that the anticode folks call the test "rigged" and other nonsense in an attempt to discredit what happened. But the plain simple fact is that a couple of good Morse Code operators, going about 1/3 the world-record speed, were faster than the *world record holders* in text messaging. What they missed is that the whole point of the segment was to show that "newer" isn't always "faster/better/easier" and that "older" doesn't equal "useless". The outfits on the two teams were a visual way of adding to that. One member of the Morse Code team was reportedly at Dayton in his telegrapher outfit. ================================================= Yup. I saw him walking around the show. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Landshark" wrote in message .. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hampton" Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.cb Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Just for grins - CW Nice try, John In the original post I stated "just for grins". As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day when the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out what my change was. She had to call a manager! OMG, she couldn't count backwards? This is what the future has to look forward too. I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for a week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains. Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains! I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to high power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away. No test for people in life, you & I both know that :) What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there. As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license as well .... Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but the underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for *everyone*. This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a repeater which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more. Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally, there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the world, total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed, there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300 gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed many times since. At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way. Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning. Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share should this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the mp3 cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I hope they enjoy my tunes: LOL!!!, the 60's 70 are over big guy ;) 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Oh Yeah................ Go to hear from You Jim. Landshark Hello, Sharkie My bad. I meant 700 watt system - not something from the 70s LOL. All Bose speakers. A couple hundred watts on the bass alone (and it does shake, although I keep the volume down). Good to hear from you too. I'm not really mad, just disappointed that folks don't understand the need for regulation. I have a dog and she stays in the house for the most part. When I have her out, if she barks more than a few times, I bring her in. The neighbors don't need to hear a dog barking for 20 minutes or more. Same thing with the stereo system. Heck, I've made a mistake in the past. Had a party with the Hammond turned up pretty well (as well as the Leslies) and the cops showed up. I apologized and shut it off. Never done that since (and that was 25 years ago). No biggie; anyone can make a mistake. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
Michael Coslo wrote:
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: ... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging I think you need to go back and look at the early exams. There was a time when an applicant was required to actually draw a schematic of various circuits and explaine how they worked. Is that supposed to be hard? Can you draw the schematic for a push-pull RF amplifier using link coupling and explain how it works? Can you draw an AM transmitter using Heising modulation and explain how it works? |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
I believe what the gentleman was trying to convey is that the present day tests are a total farce. The answer is readly available and it is just a "formality" to even pass it. Absolutely, otherwise there are a lot of hams that wouldn't be hams. People like toddieboy, wogie and lot of others who would not be hams if they really had to have technical knowledge to pass a test instead of just memorizing answers. |
John Smith wrote:
Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. |
Stagger Lee wrote:
To reiterate, those who run around claiming that "amateur radio is dying" can't seem to either articulate what "dying" means or to prove their case. And as the old Shania Twain song says, "That don't impress me much." Those who are too dumb or lazy to get a license like to parrot the old standard, 'ham radio is dying". They can't make the grade so they like to think ham radio will someday go away then they won't feel so inferior. |
Michael Coslo wrote:
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: ... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging I think you need to go back and look at the early exams. There was a time when an applicant was required to actually draw a schematic of various circuits and explaine how they worked. Is that supposed to be hard? Depends on the person. For someone who knows a little radio theory and the regulations of the amateur radio service, none of the tests were very hard. Heck, I passed the old General and Advanced class tests in 1968 - at the age of 14. That was the summer between 8th and 9th grade for me. No big deal, there were younger hams than me with Extras back then. The difference between then and now is the test *method* more than the content. And even after the exams became multiple choice type, (about 1960 for the General) one had to know the material to get the correct answer as the answers to the acutal questions were not available. Yeah. You'll find that question pool bugaboo in a lot of fields these days, including fields where if a person makes a mistake because of not knowing the material, lives may be lost. Good or bad, I don't think FCC will go back to the old way. There were study guides with sample questions, but no questions pools with the exact answer available for memorization. Now if you want *really* hard, make it no study guide, no question pool, and the applicant has to do all the learning research with NO idea of what is on the test! 8^) The old study guides were essay-type Q&A that outlined the general area of knowledge. One question could cover a *lot* of ground. The old Extra study guide was as much as 279 questions at one point. If you did not know the theory, then you probably weren't going to pass. Again john smith knows not of what he speaks. I took the tests from the question pools. For me, they were all pretty easy. They were not easy because of the question pools. They were easy because they were fairly basic material. But you had seen the exact Q&A before, right? What I have seen of the earlier test is that they too were pretty basic. Any difference is not so great that those who came before need not feel any superiority. Not a question of superiority, but of test validity. The difference between then and now is the test *method* more than the content. I aced the Technician test with the only study being the safety questions. I did study a bit for the General. For the Extra, I spent a week taking the on-line tests. Questions that I knew the answer to, I got right of course. Those that I got wrong earned me a trip to the books or online to find out why I got it wrong. By the time I was finished, I aced the test just about every time on line, and then in the actual test. And I knew the material. Elapsed time, one week. For you. But I bet you had more than a little electrical/radio knowledge before you ever looked at a ham radio study guide. Now the Morse code was another thing entirely. That was hard. But then I'm just a dum nickel extra! ;^) I bet it says the same thing on your license as it does on mine. With no mention of dumb or nickles, Mike. Each of us met the requirements in force at the time of being licensed. That the requirements changed over time isn't usually due to the people taking the new tests. Looking down on somebody today because they didn't take the same tests you took years ago is kind of like getting mad at someone who paid less for a VCR last week than you paid 20 years ago.... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Don't need it anywhere... well, the amateur exam... then one can move on...
Warmest regards, John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. |
By the ARRL own statistics, ham radio is dying--don't you realize the
population is growing in leaps and bounds... and still hams dwindle (and inactive numbers are LARGE)--get some geriatric medication for that alzheimers man! Warmest regards, John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Stagger Lee wrote: To reiterate, those who run around claiming that "amateur radio is dying" can't seem to either articulate what "dying" means or to prove their case. And as the old Shania Twain song says, "That don't impress me much." Those who are too dumb or lazy to get a license like to parrot the old standard, 'ham radio is dying". They can't make the grade so they like to think ham radio will someday go away then they won't feel so inferior. |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Dan, I must ask ... did you rotate the whole county to turn the beam? :) 73, Jim AA2QA I don't remember....... Dan/W4NTI |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote Our club group built a 3 element 160 meter yagi out of steel beer cans for a Field Day one year. Hey Dan, Do you know how to tell the difference between a fairy-tale and a sea-story? Scroll down A fairy-tale starts out --- "Once upon a time....." A sea-story starts out --- "Now this is no ****....." dit dit 73, de Hans, K0HB Wow Hans, thats the same way in the Army and Air Force. The Marines believe anything.....just kidding. Dan/W4NTI |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... By the ARRL own statistics, ham radio is dying--don't you realize the population is growing in leaps and bounds... and still hams dwindle (and inactive numbers are LARGE)--get some geriatric medication for that alzheimers man! Warmest regards, John The general population is NOT growing by leaps and bounds. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Then explain to me what it is you just did?
Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dan: You will never find me using cw... you will never finding me talking to anyone of your ilk... fear not... John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... I have a "use for CW". I use it to communicate with others using the same mode. I use it to participate in Amateur Radio. If you or your ilk don't care to do so. Stay the hell off my frequency. Have a good day idiot. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when dropping code would have saved ham radio--I fear that time has come and gone... cw has no real use to anyone, anymore... it is like having to learn to type to use the internet... no such requirement... however, because typing DOES have a use--you will find many learning to type after they realize the need... ... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging... they have been made even simplier still... yet amateur radio declined and continues to do so-- ... now "critical mass" has been reached, so many other forms of communication exist that amateur radio is on its' death march... radios are so far and few between... and so little demand... they are too expensive with most to bother with... you could give ham licences away in the streets and not improve that... ... no, the OMs' alzheimers and lack of ability to see the future has killed ham radio--you'd think the old guys must have hated it--to have stood by and watched it die--if what you say is correct--and they DID have all their mental facilities about them and still allowed it... Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Nice try, John In the original post I stated "just for grins". As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day when the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out what my change was. She had to call a manager! I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for a week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains. Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains! I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to high power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away. What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there. As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license as well .... Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but the underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for *everyone*. This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a repeater which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more. Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally, there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the world, total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed, there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300 gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed many times since. At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way. Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning. Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share should this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the mp3 cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I hope they enjoy my tunes: 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "John Smith" wrote in message ... It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just so others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are gone to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return... however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead... Regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: I believe what the gentleman was trying to convey is that the present day tests are a total farce. The answer is readly available and it is just a "formality" to even pass it. Absolutely, otherwise there are a lot of hams that wouldn't be hams. People like toddieboy, wogie and lot of others who would not be hams if they really had to have technical knowledge to pass a test instead of just memorizing answers. Exactly, and it is quite tough to draw out a schematic of a AM transmitter using Heizing modulation. I remember having to keep straight a bridge, half wave and a full wave. I don't remember having to draw out a schematic, but I certainly remember having a print on the exam that I had to describe what was going on with it. Not quite as tough, but basically the same idea. Dan/W4NTI |
Just the increase in illegal aliens qualifies for "leaps and bounds"
status... Warmest regards, John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... By the ARRL own statistics, ham radio is dying--don't you realize the population is growing in leaps and bounds... and still hams dwindle (and inactive numbers are LARGE)--get some geriatric medication for that alzheimers man! Warmest regards, John The general population is NOT growing by leaps and bounds. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. |
Hmmm, I could record a long QSO on cw and play it for the truckers... give
'em something to appreciate... grin So the hams didn't feel left, could record the truckers and play that for them... evil'er grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote:
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote Our club group built a 3 element 160 meter yagi out of steel beer cans for a Field Day one year. Hey Dan, Do you know how to tell the difference between a fairy-tale and a sea-story? Scroll down A fairy-tale starts out --- "Once upon a time....." A sea-story starts out --- "Now this is no ****....." dit dit 73, de Hans, K0HB Wow Hans, thats the same way in the Army and Air Force. The Marines believe anything.....just kidding. Dan/W4NTI This looks like submarine duty down here. |
"John Smith" wrote:
Hmmm, I could record a long QSO on cw and play it for the truckers... give 'em something to appreciate... grin So the hams didn't feel left, could record the truckers and play that for them... evil'er grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. You can eat **** and die too for all I care, you top posting freak. |
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Steveo:
You name is almost as cute as a girls, you sound gay... there is nothing wrong with gay people yanno, but better if you stay with your own kind... grin Top posters bother gays yanno... Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote: Hmmm, I could record a long QSO on cw and play it for the truckers... give 'em something to appreciate... grin So the hams didn't feel left, could record the truckers and play that for them... evil'er grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. You can eat **** and die too for all I care, you top posting freak. |
Mike Coslo wrote:
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: Can you draw the schematic for a push-pull RF amplifier using link coupling and explain how it works? Can you draw an AM transmitter using Heising modulation and explain how it works? Given a little bit of studying, yes. Ah, there is the key, "studying", not just memorizing. Once you study it and know it, it isn't hard. |
"John Smith" wrote:
Steveo: You name is almost as cute as a girls, you sound gay... there is nothing wrong with gay people yanno, but better if you stay with your own kind... grin Top posters bother gays yanno... Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote: Hmmm, I could record a long QSO on cw and play it for the truckers... give 'em something to appreciate... grin So the hams didn't feel left, could record the truckers and play that for them... evil'er grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. You can eat **** and die too for all I care, you top posting freak. -top post corrected- You name is almost as cute as a girls, you sound gay... there is nothing wrong with gay people yanno, but better if you stay with your own kind... grin Top posters bother gays yanno... Warmest regards, John Oh calling CBer's gay is a new approach, ****stick. I'm done reading yore tripe. -buh bye- |
Hey, it is ok to be gay, you can't help it (true you did come into the world
defecating a size one, and now a size eleven--EWWWWWWWWWW!)... don't go away mad, just go away... grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote: Steveo: You name is almost as cute as a girls, you sound gay... there is nothing wrong with gay people yanno, but better if you stay with your own kind... grin Top posters bother gays yanno... Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote: Hmmm, I could record a long QSO on cw and play it for the truckers... give 'em something to appreciate... grin So the hams didn't feel left, could record the truckers and play that for them... evil'er grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. You can eat **** and die too for all I care, you top posting freak. -top post corrected- You name is almost as cute as a girls, you sound gay... there is nothing wrong with gay people yanno, but better if you stay with your own kind... grin Top posters bother gays yanno... Warmest regards, John Oh calling CBer's gay is a new approach, ****stick. I'm done reading yore tripe. -buh bye- |
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
Can you draw the schematic for a push-pull RF amplifier using link coupling and explain how it works? Can you draw an AM transmitter using Heising modulation and explain how it works? Given a little bit of studying, yes. Do you want B or AB for the pp amp? Heising is a plate modulation method for a type A amp. Buzz, it's just different, not harder. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote: I believe what the gentleman was trying to convey is that the present day tests are a total farce. The answer is readly available and it is just a "formality" to even pass it. Absolutely, otherwise there are a lot of hams that wouldn't be hams. People like toddieboy, wogie and lot of others who would not be hams if they really had to have technical knowledge to pass a test instead of just memorizing answers. Look Buzz, I'll readily admit that you are 100's of times a better ham than I can ever hope to be, all because of the harder test you had to take. Please put up with me! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... I hope they enjoy my tunes: LOL!!!, the 60's 70 are over big guy ;) 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Oh Yeah................ Go to hear from You Jim. Landshark Hello, Sharkie My bad. I meant 700 watt system - not something from the 70s LOL. All Bose speakers. A couple hundred watts on the bass alone (and it does shake, although I keep the volume down). Good to hear from you too. I'm not really mad, just disappointed that folks don't understand the need for regulation. I have a dog and she stays in the house for the most part. When I have her out, if she barks more than a few times, I bring her in. The neighbors don't need to hear a dog barking for 20 minutes or more. I know the feeling. I also know, neighbors should work things out rather than call the police over such trivial things. Same thing with the stereo system. Heck, I've made a mistake in the past. Had a party with the Hammond turned up pretty well (as well as the Leslies) and the cops showed up. I apologized and shut it off. Never done that since (and that was 25 years ago). No biggie; anyone can make a mistake. Know the feeling :) I had my cousins out last year, Thursday night and was out in my backyard 2 minutes past 10, started heading into the house and they came a running out and said the music was keeping their kid awake. Went over the next morning, Six pack & bottle of wine in hand as an apology, the wife says "oh you were keeping me awake". I mean, it's not like I do this but once every 3 years, show a little patience., I do when they start firing off fireworks into the air, midweek after 10pm. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Landshark -- Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. |
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