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wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: . . . On the other hand, I believe that we should have a good mix of ages. Sure - but how much is enough? If, say, 10% of the US amateur population were under the age of 21, would that be enough? What "dire fate" would befall ham radio if there wasn't a single licensee under 21? What do they actaully bring to hobby which is so important?? Sorry, makes no sense, I just don't get it. Whole bunch of things: 1) Youth is the future Old thought pattern. Not at all, Dan. It's still true. Amateur Radio has turned into a hobby for the "older crowd". When I was a teenager, it seemed like almost all other hams were ancient. Not my dad's age but my granddad's age. The youth of today are too busy getting daddy and mommy to buy them a new cell phone and/or laptop. Maybe where you are. 2) One of the Basis and Purposes of the ARS is education - which includes things like educating youth. Even if a young ham does not become an engineer or technical type, the technical background of ham radio is a good thing to have. So who is going to educate them? The same sort of folks who educated me. Most of what I learned about ham radio in my teens came from books and personal experience. Now we have the internet too. How many ham stations have you seen at a school lately? More than existed when I was in grade and high school. For that matter....when is your club going to put on a school demo? Perhaps in the fall. But that's not the point, is it? 3) The ARS has the image of an "old white guy's hobby" in some circles. While that's not an accurate picture, losing younger hams isn't going to help things 4) Young folks have a lot to offer the ARS. Sure they do.....so go recruit them. Stop jacking your jaws and do something. I have, Dan. If it's a numbers game why not shift gears and recruit retirees instead of chasing kids? There you go....were zero beat now. That's been going on for a couple decades now. Look at the folks we did FD with a few years ago - most of the older folks in that crowd were licensed after age 55. The thing to do is what Dee says - recruit anyone with an interest. Correct. The retirees are far more independent than kids, Very true. they're more mature, And they got the money to buy a rig, antenna, house and lot to put it on...etc. HAH! Look at the FCC enforcement letters - you don't see many young people being cited for serious operating violations. Of course not. They have a signal to be heard. FCC can't hear anything below 20/9. Sure they can, but first they need complaints from hams. There was a guy in Florida named Flippo or some such, and now Gerritsen in LA. They have no counterparts in the younger crowd. Oh really? How about that computer geek in California that hacked all the computer systems????? He was a ham....forgot his call. You mean Kevin Mitnik (sp?) Yes, he was a ham - but he did not violate Part 97, nor any other radio service (that I know of). His crimes were all about hacking into computer systems. Which cost him his ham license (just like the KV fella) because FCC considers all violations, particularly those of the Communications Act, when granting licenses. Flippo and Gerritsen were convicted of *radio* violations. They're both a long way from being teenagers. Or you can look at the behavior of one "retired from regular hours" frequent poster here....Maturity? on average they don't care about nonsense like instant gratification and peer pressure and they have the time the kids don't have. And in most cases they also have the money the kids don't have. Those I'll agree with. There are pro/con on all the above. IMHO the basic thing....recruit all those you can and let the chips fall where they will. Agreed. You have to love Ham Radio to come and join us. If you don't.......(this will tick em off) WE DON'T NEED YA. The trick is that if they don't love it, they won't stay anyway. That's what I mean by "a means to an end". If someone got into ham radio as a means to local "honeydew" communication, they're likely to have replaced their ham rig with a cell phone. But if they got into ham radio because of interest in "radio for its own sake"...the cell phone won't change their interest any more than a wired phone. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
From: Dan/Diana on May 30, 9:08 pm
You have to love Ham Radio to come and join us. If you don't.......(this will tick em off) WE DON'T NEED YA. Ooooooohhhh! :-) Sounds like the usual HATE group sloganeering. Do you have that mighty macho morseman slogan on the white sheets you wear at your "clubhouse?" Printed on old confederate flags? Talk to the ARRL marketing folks...maybe they can make those sheets (and presumably T-shirts for informal wear) available by mail-order (shipping charges extra)? Does your "ham club" have a regulation ring or do you have your regular fight nights on bare dirt? Sounds like "lots of fun" for a radio hobby... |
From: "K4YZ" on Mon 30 May 2005 01:44
wrote: From: Mike Coslo on May 29, 9:57 pm NOT EVEN CLOSE. Having been IN the "space business" since 1964 and working for the manufacturer of the Space Shuttle Main Engine...(SNIP) Even aerospace industries have to hire janitors, Lennie...I am sure you were very enthusiastic in your duties. IN aerospace industry doing specific space related work: Electro-Optical Systems, Pasadena, CA (then a Division of Xerox, now a Division of Loral) as spacecraft fabrication engineer. Clean room environment, strict QC, microwelding of "cordwood" and all soldering/inspection under 10x stereo microscopes. Unmanned spacecraft packages included Mars Mariner 67, Quadrupole Spectrometer, ALSEP (Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Pacakage) SWS (Solar Wind Spectrometer). 1960s. Rocketdyne Division of Rockwell International, Canoga Park, CA MTS II (Member of the Technical Staff), Instrumentation Engineering Group, doing instrumentation design for laser deformable mirror program (an initial part of the "Star Wars" program under President Reagan), LOX flowmeter replacement on the SSME (Space Shuttle Main Engine - there are three on each Shuttle), classified work for Atomics International (a spin-off of Rocketdyne, also owned by Rockwell then). 1980s. Boeing Aircraft Company bought Rocketdyne a few years ago and sales are pending for Rocketdyne to be sold to another corporation. Rocketdyne was originally a Division of North American Aviation; Rockwell bought that with the Division being part of the package. Shuttle was designed and built by the main aviation group. NO custodial services performed for any employer, any time. I was enthused by nearly ALL projects. So, what did Stebie do after being fired as a Purchasing Agent of a small company after less than a half year of employment? Go back into custodial services or continue cleaning bed pans? :-) Temper fry. |
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Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: . . . On the other hand, I believe that we should have a good mix of ages. Sure - but how much is enough? If, say, 10% of the US amateur population were under the age of 21, would that be enough? What "dire fate" would befall ham radio if there wasn't a single licensee under 21? What do they actaully bring to hobby which is so important?? Sorry, makes no sense, I just don't get it. If it's a numbers game why not shift gears and recruit retirees instead of chasing kids? The retirees are far more independent than kids, they're more mature, on average they don't care about nonsense like instant gratification and peer pressure and they have the time the kids don't have. And in most cases they also have the money the kids don't have. w3rv I've often suggested recruiting people in the 40 to 50 year old range. Their kids are grown or nearly so. They have a better income than when they were younger and a little more free time than when they were younger. And they are still young enough to have energy and enthusiasm for new activities. Absolutely, the 40 and up sector is where I expect most new hams will come from. By a wide margin. There's another factor out there to consider. The Boomers are coming up fast on their late 50s/early 60s and this bunch is a whole *lot* more tech-savvy than my generation is and I'm only a few years older than they are. They're some serious candidates for recruiting into ham radio. Personally I try to encourage everyone of all ages who shows even a hint of interest. I believe we all have some responsibility to Elmer newbies into the hobby wherever they pop up. Which I call "passive recruiting". I'd like to see some "aggressive recruiting" aimed this time at the "over the hill gang". I don't think it's ever been tried before. Which is another good reason to take a whack at it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE w3rv |
Your right Jim. I see no chance for the USA to stay on top. IMHO it is due to the liberal mindset that started in the 60s and has taken over our public schools and Universities. And I see no help for it. Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan Cutting aid to eduation, the V.A., and other programs is a function of the liberal mindset? That is not what I said, nor meant. And you know it. However I'll follow your trend..... No, it is a result of idiots that happen to be Republicans. Meanwhile, a ton of cuts for the rich. BTW, they want to eliminate the deposit (5 cents) per can of soda (and other stuff such as beer) in NYS. They wish to replace it with a similar *tax*! Have you noticed that they wish to eliminate (or have they already) a deduction for energy efficient vehicles - yet retain a deduction for SUVs weighing over .... what is it, 3 tons? The so-called liberals wanted the deposit to encourage folks to return the cans and not leave them all over the place. Pataki (our governor) and his gang (republicans) want to replace the deposit with a *tax*! They can't stand to see the money returned to the people. The reality is that the Republicans want to kill the poor to save the rich. Nice try. Oh come on now Jim. That is idiotic and you know it. The Republicans don't want to kill the poor. They want them to keep voting for Republicans. Hey...sorta like the Democrats, eh? Given a few years of our troups being killed in Iraq, I'll be interested in seeing how they will replace them. Duty *forever* in Iraq is not likely to work. Ah.....the VN syndrom is still alive and well amongst the Liberals amongst us. Hey Jim...didn't work then....won't work now. The Liberals EXTENDED the VIETNAM WAR.....don't ya know? I had no problems with attacking Afganistan. Iraq, however, with its' weapons of mass destruction .... well, sooner or later the folks with the modest double-digit I.Q.s will wake up. That's because you and apparantly a large proportion of the US public have no concept at all of why we are in IRAQ. It's called divide and conquor, it's called setting up a Democracy (or something close) right smack in the middle of the Middle East. It's called ending this endless BS coming out of the Jihad morons. I would rather fight them there then here. Wake up....or would you prefere a bunch of ragheads in the streets of NJ killing and raping your women and kids? Far fetched? Burn a Quaron and see what the enlightened ones do. Oh, sorry. We already saw a touch of that one. How many weapons of mass destruction have they found? They all went to Syria. They are next you know. England is really upset with Tony Blair. They want him out. I offered to trade Bush for him, but, unfortunately, no one wants Bush. Oh come on now....Chiaraq is history, Tony Blair will be vindicated. The dumb ass Britts threw out Churchill after he defeated Hitler (with our help of course). You can't expect clear thinking folks to consider Great Brittain as a bastion of common sense now can you? Of course, the Democrats that get elected because of this will be blamed when they have to make changes. Changes will have to be made, whether we like it or not. BTW, I didn't inhale :)) Sure you did. It's ok the statute has ended by now. Best regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA 73 old boy. Dan/W4NTI |
Here Lennie, take this quarter....and call some one that cares.
You are in serious need of a rubber room. Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ups.com... From: Dan/Diana on May 30, 9:08 pm You have to love Ham Radio to come and join us. If you don't.......(this will tick em off) WE DON'T NEED YA. Ooooooohhhh! :-) Sounds like the usual HATE group sloganeering. Do you have that mighty macho morseman slogan on the white sheets you wear at your "clubhouse?" Printed on old confederate flags? Talk to the ARRL marketing folks...maybe they can make those sheets (and presumably T-shirts for informal wear) available by mail-order (shipping charges extra)? Does your "ham club" have a regulation ring or do you have your regular fight nights on bare dirt? Sounds like "lots of fun" for a radio hobby... |
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