You just dismissed the fact that Haynie is seeing a real problem here,
he is beginning to tell hams to stop acting like such immature jerks and
get with the program--you take these words are turn them into him giving
you an "Atta Boy!"
If you are fool enough to believe that you will have to... such denial,
avoidance and BS has stagnated us to the point where all there are, are
a bunch of guys out there too old to be of interest to QSO with--the
young guys know that and you can tell them different till the cows come
home--it will not change one thing...
I am 52 and most are too old for me... long winded rants about
yesteryear and such is a real turn off to this guy... I cringe when I
see the expressions on the young mens face who hear it on my demos of
radio...
You sit there thinking all is well--I can tell you are past anything but
an argument for maintaining status quo...
You really mean to tell me you feel the bands out there are "congested?"
Tell someone without a radio--they just might believe you...
We both hear Haynies words you think he is saying, "Good Job Guys!" I
challenge that all right, I hear him saying, "Get with it old fools!!!"

John

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John Smith wrote:
Haynie said:

1) "It's not that Amateur Radio is dumbed down," he said. "People
like
me have failed to keep up, and if you look in your heart, you're
going
to say the same thing."

He's right on the money. But many hams are *not* like him, yes?

2) "...if you want people to come out of that examination room in
here
to be able to design circuits--you're in the wrong hobby."

Of course, that's been obvious to everybody else around here since
somebody first started selling spark rigs out of a catalog. Is it
somehow imperative that hams must be able to design current-tech
circuits or the sky will fall on the hobby? What's your point?

3) "I said, if we come down on the side of code, we're going to make
the no-code people mad, and if we come down on the side of the
no-code,
we're going to make the code people mad..."

Ah, but then he continued ". . so the best thing for us to do is be
evenhanded, and make everybody mad," Haynie said, tongue-in-cheek.
"And
I think we're doing a good job of it." "

In other words the League has ducked out of the code teat war this
time
and put in the hands of the FCC.

Do you have a problem with that?? I sure don't.

Your "selective snippages" are as a bare minimum a bit of comic
relief.


4) "...he predicted that the Commission will never reinstate higher
code
speed requirements as some have requested."

OBVIOUSLY . . wtf . . ?!

5) "The FCC is not going to go back to 13 and 20 words per minute,
and
you can take that to the bank," he predicted. "It's not going to
happen." The Commission went with the single 5 WPM requirement
because
it was "sick and tired" of dealing with medical waivers, he said.

This is astounding new info or what??

Although he has become a pretty smart "politician" and "diplomat"--it
is
obvious code is given very little if any importance. Now you can
argue
his words anyway you like--but you can't find one word of his which
places ANY importance on it... He HAS said old amateurs have lost
sense
of reality, that is right there in no. 1) ... argue that anyway you
like--into looking like a fool...

Smitty I'm about 99% in agreement with what Haynie stated, I'm not
arguing his words at all, I'm arguing YOUR words. Which are goofy,
naive attempts to twist reality around which we all see thru. You're
quite terrible at this game you're trying to play John but hang around
here awhile and watch how the real pros harpoon reality in this group
.
. maybe you'll get better at the game.

. . speaking of reality . . in the end when all the dust settles CW is
everywhere on the bands today and it's gonna still be on the bands
long
after you and I have both expired. Get comfortable with it my good man
because neither of us can do a bloody thing about it one way or
another. THAT's the real reality.

And by the way what's your callsign?

Good night.

John

w3v