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KC8GXW wrote:
I didn't take the free upgrade to general, There's no free upgrade to General. If someone earned a Technician back when that license used the same written as the General, they can get a no-additional test upgrade to General through the VE system. FCC recognizes old (pre-March 21, 1987) Element 3 as carrying credit for new Element 3. But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "KC8GXW" wrote in message ... Jim Hampton wrote: Hello, Dan A 1X2 call starting with "W" or "K"? How many of these folks do you think are around that are *not* in possession of a vanity call? C'mon! Give us a break! The original holders of 1X2 calls are mostly, if not entirely, sk. A dear friend of mine, W2ZS (almost the end of the 1X2 calls) has been sk for decades. Like about 3 decades. My original call, issued in 1962, was WN2CJV. That would have made me WB2CJV had I passed the 13 word per minute code test. Unfortunately, it took me another year to get to 13 and I obtained WB2OSP in 1964. With the issuance of vanity call signs, most of the 1X3 calls are gone - mostly vanity call signs. Depending upon the call district, some of the states were as far as a WD prefix. Since I doubt many folks would spend money to get a call sign beginning with WA, WB, etc., those are the folks that you can be certain have been licensed since the early 60s. I did obtain WA3RJX in 1970, however, when I moved to Pennsylvania. Still, had I kept that call, it would be 35 years old! Moving back then might also require a call sign change - along with a "newbie" type call sign. When the FCC allowed extra class licensees to choose their own call sign in the early 70s, I obtained N2JH. At that point, I'm not sure if they would allow you to grab an old expired call. Once the gates were opened for vanity call signs, all bets are off as to how long an amateur has been licensed. My bet would be that the WA and WB type prefixes would be the only ones that would *almost* guarantee the individual has been licensed long enough to qualify for the quarter century club. It won't be long (and may have already happened) that there are some 5 word per minute folks with a 1X2 call (which means fairly new hams). I know a few with N8*** that are/were 5 wpm and were licensed in 1983 or earlier, I don't think that would make them fairly new hams. A few more years and they will qualify for the quarter century club. I have to ask what the heck you were thinking with your response that a 1X2 or 1X3 call indicates an old timer? ??? :) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA This is true; I had the call N2JH back in the 70s. The N prefix was made available to amateurs sometime in the late 60s, but I'm not sure exactly when. My point, however, is that a WA or WB prefix pretty well indicates someone who has been licensed for 40 years or so (depending upon district). My WB2OSP license was issued in 1964, so figure the WA2 calls were a few years earlier (WB2CJV would have been in May, 1962). My point was that no one, I suspect, would apply for a WA or WB prefix under the vanity callsign rules. This would, to me, certify that individual as an old-timer. As to the 1X3 calls with a prefix of "W" or "K", my point is that most of them have probably been issued as a vanity call after the FCC started that sometime in the 1990s. I knew Dwight Hill, K2BRE and he has been an sk for quite a while. Were he still alive, he would be close to 90 years old. Certainly, there are some still around with us with a 1X3 issued back in the 50s or earlier (Wayne, W2NSD comes to mind), but I suspect *most* current 1X3 or 1X2 holders are holders due to having a vanity call. They did not run out of sequentially issued 1x3 calls until sometime in 1993 (varying slightly by call area). Sequentially issued 1x2 calls were still available in come call areas into the early 1990s. The 1x2s really went fast in late 1980s and the very early 1990s. I knew a great many hams who had finally chosen to upgrade to Extra so that they could contribute to amateur radio by becoming VEs and got their 1x2s. Although you didn't have to be an Extra to be a VE, you were limited on who you could administer tests to if you were not. I received my call (N8UZE) in 1992 and my daughter received her call (N8ZNW) in 1993. Dan's point of a 1X3 being an indicator of an old timer does not hold water. Definitely not. Many holders of 1x3 calls got their licenses in the 1990s and many new licenses today are getting 1x3 calls through the vanity system since there are none available for sequential issue. However if one looks only at the sequentially issued calls, the Ws are older than the Ks which in turn are older than the Ns. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
From: "bb" on Sat 4 Jun 2005 09:02
K4YZ wrote: wrote: KC8GXW wrote: VIPPY! Your're back! Hello Vipul. The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention of the word "ham" in the definition. Oh crap....same old rhetoric...I see you haven't changed! He see's that you haven't either. Stebie likes to crap...on everyone he no like. "Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system. What "belief systems", Vipul...?!?! "Belief systems" is a catch-phrase you usurped from Lennie Anderson. Lennie is NOT a good role model to scam lines from. People don't have belief systems? Tsk, tsk, Stebie have orgasm of crapping on folks not in this thread. :-) Stebie be role model. Stebie not model but he be playing role of Gonad the Librarian in action films. [seven hostile action films?] Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas). (Here we go again....) (There YOU go again...) It's "rerun season" again, Brian. :-) Who says so, Vipul...?!?! What organization, rule or entity made this "rule"...?!?! I've asked you this before and you've never explained yourself. Yet I see no mention of a "rule." Whatever are you talking about, Steve? Stebie forget that Stebieland "rules" not published in Reality. Stebie think He be "ruler." ["Give a man an inch and he thinks he's a ruler!" - tagline] They are often older, and male. So...Shall we implement euthansia and castration if a licensee dares to get older or have the wrong chromosomes...?!?! Shall you? Many in here wonder if Stebie is genus homo... They like to use the terminology. Uhhhhh...yyyeahhhh...It's called "communication"...In order to effectively express and exchange ideas there has to be some agreed upon language and terms relating to the intended topic, Vipul. QSL. Stebie is a card. Please name me ANY sport, science, avocation, passtime or other human pursuit that DOESN'T have 'terminology', Vipul. So amateurs have terminology and -don't- like to use it? Are you agreeing with Vipul or disagreeing with Vipul??? Brian, the Rand Corporation cryptology department has been working all night on that...still hasn't figured it out. :-) They like to discuss ham politics. As opposed to roast beef politics...?!?! Chicken politics. Squawk, squawk. Like saying "Lessee....430" without explanation. Ham have beef? Sounds fishy. Most foul. Why did Stebie cross the road? To get to Brian's house for breakfast of stalking-over-easy, to crisp his toast and pee in his post toasties. Stebie think like that. There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list. Of course not. Of course. Stebie off course. Is it doing more then 5 wpm code? Yes, this is absolutely required to be accepted as a ham. Who says? Where is this stated? In what FCC rule or ARRL by-law is it established? Is it in invisible ink on my FCC Form 660? I disagree with Vipul on this one. Five WPM wasn't enough to be accepted as a full ham by many practioners of the ancient art. Right you are, Brian! WPM GREATER than 60!!! ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society) needs mighty macho morsemen heroes!!! "Faster than a speeding CQ, able to leap tall pile-ups in a single QSO!" Look, up in the sky...is it a bird? Is it a plane? No! It's SuperHAM! cut to tight shot of Stebie in tights, a big ass on his chest roll up heroic theme music Is it being accepted by certain other hams? Hams share certain beliefs and characteristics. Baptists share certain beliefs and characteristics. So do dentists. Police, Fire and EMS personnel have their own beliefs. So do Hindus, NASCAR drivers and cat lovers. What belief system do you share? Stebie belong Church of Stebiology? What was YOUR point? What was your point in saying, "Lessee....430?" "Steve and the Boys" were looking for "action." At least "seven" of them. :-) Lennie doesn't accept ANY of us... Not true. I think Stebie was speaking for HIS multiple personalities. Does that mean we don't exist? You exist in a negative way. "For every action there is a reaction." - Newton "I have seven hostile actions." - Stebie Once and for all, Vipul... There is no one person, group, organization, entity or "belief system" that dictates what makes a "good ham". Not according to Larry, Dick, or Kelly. The Three Stooges? Unfortunately, if only more amateur on here would come forward and condemn those who exhibit the characteristics of a "bad ham," such as yourself... Stebie will find out their house number and threaten them with it... :-) As for the class of licence they hold right now, Morse code is required above the Technician class. Those in the Technician class can still be hams, as long as they agree with ham beliefs. One of those beliefs, of course, is that they will eventually learn Morse code. You keep saying this but you never explain yourself. The have to profess the faith, and frequently claim that they are "studying the Morse Code." ...and admire, respect, worship Stebie. :-) To the best of my knowledge no one is "given" a license. Everyone is required to take one of several written exams. If they opt to operate on HF, they must take a Morse Code exam. Captain Obvious. [I think it may have just dawned on Stebie's mighty intellect] And despite the fact that the license IS markedly easier to get these days, people still manage to fail the exams. Ergo it's NOT a "giveaway"... Far more difficult... Nine-year-olds can pass it. Stebie's nine-year-old pass it? We not hear of that. Mebbe too difficult for her...? True definition: "Ham is the butchered meat of swine." Heh heh heh. Stebie gonna round up "his Boys" and post my house number, for sure... :-) |
From: "bb" on Sat 4 Jun 2005 09:02
K4YZ wrote: wrote: KC8GXW wrote: VIPPY! Your're back! Hello Vipul. The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention of the word "ham" in the definition. Oh crap....same old rhetoric...I see you haven't changed! He see's that you haven't either. Stebie likes to crap...on everyone he no like. "Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system. What "belief systems", Vipul...?!?! "Belief systems" is a catch-phrase you usurped from Lennie Anderson. Lennie is NOT a good role model to scam lines from. People don't have belief systems? Tsk, tsk, Stebie have orgasm of crapping on folks not in this thread. :-) Stebie be role model. Stebie not model but he be playing role of Gonad the Librarian in action films. [seven hostile action films?] Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas). (Here we go again....) (There YOU go again...) It's "rerun season" again, Brian. :-) Who says so, Vipul...?!?! What organization, rule or entity made this "rule"...?!?! I've asked you this before and you've never explained yourself. Yet I see no mention of a "rule." Whatever are you talking about, Steve? Stebie forget that Stebieland "rules" not published in Reality. Stebie think He be "ruler." ["Give a man an inch and he thinks he's a ruler!" - tagline] They are often older, and male. So...Shall we implement euthansia and castration if a licensee dares to get older or have the wrong chromosomes...?!?! Shall you? Many in here wonder if Stebie is genus homo... They like to use the terminology. Uhhhhh...yyyeahhhh...It's called "communication"...In order to effectively express and exchange ideas there has to be some agreed upon language and terms relating to the intended topic, Vipul. QSL. Stebie is a card. Please name me ANY sport, science, avocation, passtime or other human pursuit that DOESN'T have 'terminology', Vipul. So amateurs have terminology and -don't- like to use it? Are you agreeing with Vipul or disagreeing with Vipul??? Brian, the Rand Corporation cryptology department has been working all night on that...still hasn't figured it out. :-) They like to discuss ham politics. As opposed to roast beef politics...?!?! Chicken politics. Squawk, squawk. Like saying "Lessee....430" without explanation. Ham have beef? Sounds fishy. Most foul. Why did Stebie cross the road? To get to Brian's house for breakfast of stalking-over-easy, to crisp his toast and pee in his post toasties. Stebie think like that. There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list. Of course not. Of course. Stebie off course. Is it doing more then 5 wpm code? Yes, this is absolutely required to be accepted as a ham. Who says? Where is this stated? In what FCC rule or ARRL by-law is it established? Is it in invisible ink on my FCC Form 660? I disagree with Vipul on this one. Five WPM wasn't enough to be accepted as a full ham by many practioners of the ancient art. Right you are, Brian! WPM GREATER than 60!!! ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society) needs mighty macho morsemen heroes!!! "Faster than a speeding CQ, able to leap tall pile-ups in a single QSO!" Look, up in the sky...is it a bird? Is it a plane? No! It's SuperHAM! cut to tight shot of Stebie in tights, a big ass on his chest roll up heroic theme music Is it being accepted by certain other hams? Hams share certain beliefs and characteristics. Baptists share certain beliefs and characteristics. So do dentists. Police, Fire and EMS personnel have their own beliefs. So do Hindus, NASCAR drivers and cat lovers. What belief system do you share? Stebie belong Church of Stebiology? What was YOUR point? What was your point in saying, "Lessee....430?" "Steve and the Boys" were looking for "action." At least "seven" of them. :-) Lennie doesn't accept ANY of us... Not true. I think Stebie was speaking for HIS multiple personalities. Does that mean we don't exist? You exist in a negative way. "For every action there is a reaction." - Newton "I have seven hostile actions." - Stebie Once and for all, Vipul... There is no one person, group, organization, entity or "belief system" that dictates what makes a "good ham". Not according to Larry, Dick, or Kelly. The Three Stooges? Unfortunately, if only more amateur on here would come forward and condemn those who exhibit the characteristics of a "bad ham," such as yourself... Stebie will find out their house number and threaten them with it... :-) As for the class of licence they hold right now, Morse code is required above the Technician class. Those in the Technician class can still be hams, as long as they agree with ham beliefs. One of those beliefs, of course, is that they will eventually learn Morse code. You keep saying this but you never explain yourself. The have to profess the faith, and frequently claim that they are "studying the Morse Code." ...and admire, respect, worship Stebie. :-) To the best of my knowledge no one is "given" a license. Everyone is required to take one of several written exams. If they opt to operate on HF, they must take a Morse Code exam. Captain Obvious. [I think it may have just dawned on Stebie's mighty intellect] And despite the fact that the license IS markedly easier to get these days, people still manage to fail the exams. Ergo it's NOT a "giveaway"... Far more difficult... Nine-year-olds can pass it. Stebie's nine-year-old pass it? We not hear of that. Mebbe too difficult for her...? True definition: "Ham is the butchered meat of swine." Heh heh heh. Stebie gonna round up "his Boys" and post my house number, for sure... :-) |
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "KC8GXW" wrote in message ... Jim Hampton wrote: Hello, Dan A 1X2 call starting with "W" or "K"? How many of these folks do you think are around that are *not* in possession of a vanity call? C'mon! Give us a break! The original holders of 1X2 calls are mostly, if not entirely, sk. A dear friend of mine, W2ZS (almost the end of the 1X2 calls) has been sk for decades. Like about 3 decades. My original call, issued in 1962, was WN2CJV. That would have made me WB2CJV had I passed the 13 word per minute code test. Unfortunately, it took me another year to get to 13 and I obtained WB2OSP in 1964. With the issuance of vanity call signs, most of the 1X3 calls are gone - mostly vanity call signs. Depending upon the call district, some of the states were as far as a WD prefix. Since I doubt many folks would spend money to get a call sign beginning with WA, WB, etc., those are the folks that you can be certain have been licensed since the early 60s. I did obtain WA3RJX in 1970, however, when I moved to Pennsylvania. Still, had I kept that call, it would be 35 years old! Moving back then might also require a call sign change - along with a "newbie" type call sign. When the FCC allowed extra class licensees to choose their own call sign in the early 70s, I obtained N2JH. At that point, I'm not sure if they would allow you to grab an old expired call. Once the gates were opened for vanity call signs, all bets are off as to how long an amateur has been licensed. My bet would be that the WA and WB type prefixes would be the only ones that would *almost* guarantee the individual has been licensed long enough to qualify for the quarter century club. It won't be long (and may have already happened) that there are some 5 word per minute folks with a 1X2 call (which means fairly new hams). I know a few with N8*** that are/were 5 wpm and were licensed in 1983 or earlier, I don't think that would make them fairly new hams. A few more years and they will qualify for the quarter century club. I have to ask what the heck you were thinking with your response that a 1X2 or 1X3 call indicates an old timer? ??? :) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA This is true; I had the call N2JH back in the 70s. The N prefix was made available to amateurs sometime in the late 60s, but I'm not sure exactly when. My point, however, is that a WA or WB prefix pretty well indicates someone who has been licensed for 40 years or so (depending upon district). My WB2OSP license was issued in 1964, so figure the WA2 calls were a few years earlier (WB2CJV would have been in May, 1962). My point was that no one, I suspect, would apply for a WA or WB prefix under the vanity callsign rules. This would, to me, certify that individual as an old-timer. As to the 1X3 calls with a prefix of "W" or "K", my point is that most of them have probably been issued as a vanity call after the FCC started that sometime in the 1990s. I knew Dwight Hill, K2BRE and he has been an sk for quite a while. Were he still alive, he would be close to 90 years old. Certainly, there are some still around with us with a 1X3 issued back in the 50s or earlier (Wayne, W2NSD comes to mind), but I suspect *most* current 1X3 or 1X2 holders are holders due to having a vanity call. They did not run out of sequentially issued 1x3 calls until sometime in 1993 (varying slightly by call area). Sequentially issued 1x2 calls were still available in come call areas into the early 1990s. The 1x2s really went fast in late 1980s and the very early 1990s. I knew a great many hams who had finally chosen to upgrade to Extra so that they could contribute to amateur radio by becoming VEs and got their 1x2s. Although you didn't have to be an Extra to be a VE, you were limited on who you could administer tests to if you were not. I received my call (N8UZE) in 1992 and my daughter received her call (N8ZNW) in 1993. Dan's point of a 1X3 being an indicator of an old timer does not hold water. Definitely not. Many holders of 1x3 calls got their licenses in the 1990s and many new licenses today are getting 1x3 calls through the vanity system since there are none available for sequential issue. However if one looks only at the sequentially issued calls, the Ws are older than the Ks which in turn are older than the Ns. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Hello, Dee I am pretty sure you are correct. I also believe that WV2 was the novice prefix which would turn into WA2 when the tech or general was obtained (no quick routes to the extra back then; you had to have some time with a license before you could even take the test). WN2 turned into WB2. Not sure about the K prefix. The novice goes back into the 50s, I believe. You are right, when the Ws were exhausted, they ran through the Ks. Then they started with WA and so on. The N prefix became available in the very late 60s or very early 70s. WA and WB predate the N prefix. Still haven't heard from Dan. Perhaps we could sked for a nice chat - as long as he can put up with a "newbie". Better keep it slow, say 30 words per minute cw with no automated copy devices. I suppose if he pushes me, I might consider 40. Not much more, however; I'm not up to that stuff anymore. Of course, if push came to shove .... I might be willing to give the high-speed stuff a crack, but don't expect much from a former WN prefix. If he *really* wants to push the envelope, I'd be willing to take a week and meet him using American Land-Line Morse. Should be good for a hoot. No more than 16, however, as I'd be using a mental look-up table. Not enough call for land-line Morse to make it worthwhile to get good at it. I only used it once in 1968. Of course, I hadn't copied Morse since 1969 when I retook the extra in 1993 .... at 20 words per minute .... ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA, newbie extrodinaire ps - the new guys and gals deserve respect too. I guess I just didn't care for his implication on the prefix. |
John Smith wrote: Sounds to me that many here have confused the idea of "a decent human being" with a "ham"... I have no such illusions. true, the best type of ham is both a "hobbist radio operator" and "a decent human being"... however, I am not so sure the FCC is into regulating that one trait... John John, you'll catch hell on here for describing amateur radio as a "hobby." |
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Really? What else I am supposed to be doing, listening for ET?
tongue-in-cheek Warmest regards, John "bb" wrote in message ups.com... John Smith wrote: Sounds to me that many here have confused the idea of "a decent human being" with a "ham"... I have no such illusions. true, the best type of ham is both a "hobbist radio operator" and "a decent human being"... however, I am not so sure the FCC is into regulating that one trait... John John, you'll catch hell on here for describing amateur radio as a "hobby." |
Jim Hampton wrote:
I am pretty sure you are correct. I also believe that WV2 was the novice prefix which would turn into WA2 when the tech or general was obtained (no quick routes to the extra back then; you had to have some time with a license before you could even take the test). WN2 turned into WB2. Not sure about the K prefix. The novice goes back into the 50s, I believe. Novices who got K calls were KN, the N being dropped with upgrade. When I got my Novice I recieved a K call, friends who were licensed at the same time got WN calls which became WA on upgrade. The WA lasted until they ran out of A's then they started issuing WB's. |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... You are right, when the Ws were exhausted, they ran through the Ks. Then they started with WA and so on. The N prefix became available in the very late 60s or very early 70s. WA and WB predate the N prefix. I don't know about all area's but I can say this, for the 8th district...circa summer of 1961 they did indeed re-issue K calls. Same in 5 land, my K call was a re-issue. |
John Smith wrote: Really? What else I am supposed to be doing, listening for ET? tongue-in-cheek Warmest regards, John It's OK. Really. Balanced hams don't worry about what the fringe think. ;^) |
"KC8GXW" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "KC8GXW" wrote in message ... What makes a person a real ham? Is it doing more then 5 wpm code? A "Real Ham" is proficient in all forms and modes of communications. One of the primary purposes of Amateur Radio is to provide a pool of qualified radio operators in the event of emergency. Thus being able to use Morse Code at anything but training wheel speed is a big plus. Is it being accepted by certain other hams? No, not entirely. But being able to assimilate with minimum friction is a big help. In otherwords don't show up with a "I know it all attitude" and have a bit of respect for those that have been there before you. Would that be the "give away license" that you made reference to in another post? You do realize that there are still Tech's out there that took the old Novice and then upgraded to Tech by doing the general theory! Yes it is, and yes I am. So what? The general theory was mainly concerned with freqs used by Generals and HF stuff. At that time in history the Tech test was centered around V/Uhf stuff. Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of license they hold now? That does have a bearing on things. Don't come on with the above attitute holding a Technician ticket for 6 months, and expect to be treating with respect. Respect is earned me boy. Can a person climb to Extra with today's test and be considered a real ham? No, not really. Must I elaborate on the obvious? If one does that wonderous dead and then EARNS the respect of those other hams. A lot of what I said above is bypassed. Respect, Earned those are the key words here. Is yodoc aka K3LT a real ham, or the one to determine who is a real ham? Don't know the man. Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away license" ever be considered a real ham? Sure...see above. Does getting a vanity license that is an older call such as K8*** or WD8*** make you a real ham? A WD8? a joke right? Try W or K ...one by two or three, non vanity of course. Thats an old timer. But there are too many no code tech's that get a vanity call now adays. Which totally sucks. The FCC at ONE TIME wanted distintive callsigns for class of license. Now it is too much work to bother with. What a joke they are. As a matter of fact the FCC once considered the W/K prefix "prefered calls". And at one time the FCC required you to change your call if you permanetly moved to another district. And in deference to the W/K....if you had one they would issue another from the prefered block. Which is how I got my present call (W4NTI) because I used to have K8BHH. Course that all went to crap with the alphabet soup system of today. There's an Extra near here that still has his K8*** call, he was a tech until the early nineties and upgraded to Extra when it was still 20 wpm. So what? having a old K8 means he has a original issue K8 call. You don't seem to comprehend that what was this and what is now ain't no where near the same. All there was back then was W and K calls, followed by WA, WB, WD, then a re-issue for a while, then the alphabet soup we have today. I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a cb'er or no coder as the toad says? No, just a no coder. Unless of course you did pass a 5wpm test. Then you would be a Technician. Hi hi. I took the 5wpm when I did my novice. Congrats....so did I. Then I jumped over the Tech and took my General at 13wpm, then my Advanced then my Extra at 20wpm. Your point is? I'm not being a troll, I would really like to know the answers to this! Hope that helps a bit. Dan/W4NTI Dan/W4NTI |
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... Dan's point of a 1X3 being an indicator of an old timer does not hold water. Definitely not. Many holders of 1x3 calls got their licenses in the 1990s and many new licenses today are getting 1x3 calls through the vanity system since there are none available for sequential issue. However if one looks only at the sequentially issued calls, the Ws are older than the Ks which in turn are older than the Ns. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I think you are trying to be a devils advocate here Dee. You should know I was refering to the time before incentive licensing. If you don't...you do now. So my comments are valid and correct. Dan/W4NTI |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... You are right, when the Ws were exhausted, they ran through the Ks. Then they started with WA and so on. The N prefix became available in the very late 60s or very early 70s. WA and WB predate the N prefix. I don't know about all area's but I can say this, for the 8th district...circa summer of 1961 they did indeed re-issue K calls. I received KN8BHH, my friend received KN8BBL, another friend received KN8DEN, etc. however just a month or so later another group of buds received WN8 which turned into WA8 calls. Go figure. Still haven't heard from Dan. Perhaps we could sked for a nice chat - as long as he can put up with a "newbie". Better keep it slow, say 30 words per minute cw with no automated copy devices. I suppose if he pushes me, I might consider 40. Not much more, however; I'm not up to that stuff anymore. Of course, if push came to shove .... I might be willing to give the high-speed stuff a crack, but don't expect much from a former WN prefix. If he *really* wants to push the envelope, I'd be willing to take a week and meet him using American Land-Line Morse. Should be good for a hoot. No more than 16, however, as I'd be using a mental look-up table. Not enough call for land-line Morse to make it worthwhile to get good at it. I only used it once in 1968. Of course, I hadn't copied Morse since 1969 when I retook the extra in 1993 .... at 20 words per minute .... ;) Haven't heard from me? This is the first time I saw this. Sure I'll sked ya. I'm on 3.575 every evening at 1900CST, that would be 2000Z. On Sundays I am net control (local time). I have not used the railroad code in 40 years, so I'll pass on that one. The only thing that is automatic in my cw is my ability to copy. Should still do well at 50 or so. If not we qrs. Send me a e-mail and follow my SPAM catchers instructions. I don't give a rip who believe me here. Dan/W4NTI |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: snip Yes it is, and yes I am. So what? The general theory was mainly concerned with freqs used by Generals and HF stuff. At that time in history the Tech test was centered around V/Uhf stuff. So that would also make most of the generals in the last 15 years also a give away license? Seeing as the only difference was 13wpm. snip No, just a no coder. Unless of course you did pass a 5wpm test. Then you would be a Technician. Hi hi. I took the 5wpm when I did my novice. Congrats....so did I. Then I jumped over the Tech and took my General at 13wpm, then my Advanced then my Extra at 20wpm. Your point is? Dan/W4NTI My point was in answer to your statement! |
KC8GXW wrote:
But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... "KC8GXW" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "KC8GXW" wrote in message ... [snip] But there are too many no code tech's that get a vanity call now adays. Which totally sucks. The FCC at ONE TIME wanted distintive callsigns for class of license. Now it is too much work to bother with. What a joke they are. They are still limited to getting a call that is limited by their license class. Technicians were assigned 1x3 calls until the sequentially available 1x3 calls ran out. That some now choose to get a 1x3 vanity only means that they are getting a call that they are entitled to by license class. As a matter of fact the FCC once considered the W/K prefix "prefered calls". And at one time the FCC required you to change your call if you permanetly moved to another district. And in deference to the W/K....if you had one they would issue another from the prefered block. Which is how I got my present call (W4NTI) because I used to have K8BHH. Course that all went to crap with the alphabet soup system of today. There's an Extra near here that still has his K8*** call, he was a tech until the early nineties and upgraded to Extra when it was still 20 wpm. So what? having a old K8 means he has a original issue K8 call. You don't seem to comprehend that what was this and what is now ain't no where near the same. All there was back then was W and K calls, followed by WA, WB, WD, then a re-issue for a while, then the alphabet soup we have today. The FCC could have issued N calls back then if they had wanted to. The block was assigned to the US. There's no "alphabet soup" crap today. The call sign eligibility is the same as it has been since they initiated the 5 level license class decades ago. We have the same call sign eligibility today as then. The problem is that a lot of call signs have been "used" and so they went to the next available block. Ws were used first, then Ks, and then Ns and then As. Today no call district has 1x3s available for sequential issue (except perhaps for some of the special territories). In addition 1x2s and 2x1s are no long available for sequential issue. Why? They have all been issued. The only available ones are those that have been returned to the pool by lack of renewal by the licensee for whatever reason. It will not be long now before the last block of Extra class call signs (2x2 beginning with AA - AL) is used up in the sequential system. The only reason it hasn't is that a lot of people are keeping their old call signs instead of getting new ones when they upgrade. If someone comes into a license session today with no license and passes the code, Tech written and General written all in one sitting, he/she will receive a 2x3 call. Yes even a General will receive a 2x3 if it is a new issue. To get a call "reflecting his class", means that the new General has to search for vacated calls and find one available and get it as a vanity. I kept my original call sign when I upgraded to advanced and then extra as there were no 1x2s left in my call district. I didn't like the 2x1s or the 2x2s. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Balanced hams, is that like a "ham and swiss?" a balanced meal? grin
John "bb" wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: Really? What else I am supposed to be doing, listening for ET? tongue-in-cheek Warmest regards, John It's OK. Really. Balanced hams don't worry about what the fringe think. ;^) |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message hlink.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... You are right, when the Ws were exhausted, they ran through the Ks. Then they started with WA and so on. The N prefix became available in the very late 60s or very early 70s. WA and WB predate the N prefix. I don't know about all area's but I can say this, for the 8th district...circa summer of 1961 they did indeed re-issue K calls. I received KN8BHH, my friend received KN8BBL, another friend received KN8DEN, etc. however just a month or so later another group of buds received WN8 which turned into WA8 calls. Go figure. Still haven't heard from Dan. Perhaps we could sked for a nice chat - as long as he can put up with a "newbie". Better keep it slow, say 30 words per minute cw with no automated copy devices. I suppose if he pushes me, I might consider 40. Not much more, however; I'm not up to that stuff anymore. Of course, if push came to shove .... I might be willing to give the high-speed stuff a crack, but don't expect much from a former WN prefix. If he *really* wants to push the envelope, I'd be willing to take a week and meet him using American Land-Line Morse. Should be good for a hoot. No more than 16, however, as I'd be using a mental look-up table. Not enough call for land-line Morse to make it worthwhile to get good at it. I only used it once in 1968. Of course, I hadn't copied Morse since 1969 when I retook the extra in 1993 .... at 20 words per minute .... ;) Haven't heard from me? This is the first time I saw this. Sure I'll sked ya. I'm on 3.575 every evening at 1900CST, that would be 2000Z. On Sundays I am net control (local time). I have not used the railroad code in 40 years, so I'll pass on that one. The only thing that is automatic in my cw is my ability to copy. Should still do well at 50 or so. If not we qrs. Send me a e-mail and follow my SPAM catchers instructions. I don't give a rip who believe me here. Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan Should be fun. I could well loose, who knows? But I'll tell you what, I hope both of us learn a bit of respect for each other. I honestly don't know how well I'll do much past 40 as it has been quite a few years - but I'm willing to give it a try. I will get your addy minus the spam catcher and explain further. Hang on to your shorts, it might be a bumpy ride LOL Seriously, Dan, I hope we can end this one on a friendly note. I get upset sometimes with some of the threads. I bear no ill will against newcomers nor old timers. I do hope you read what I stated concerning the 1X3 and 1X2 call signs. I was being honest there. In any case, I'll be in touch. Wanna bet that we'll hear from Len on this one? A beer? LOL BTW, you are right about the KN prefixes. Those became the KX3 calls. At the time, however, New York was the most populus state and the 2 district was into the WB2 calls. I've still got my original novice license issued in 1962 as WN2CJV which would have become a WB2 call. I'm willing to try and take a digital photo of it and send it to you if you wish. There are differences between districts. And I still abide by my thoughts that the average WA or WB has been licensed longer than the average 1X2 or 1X3 call simply because of the FCC and its' vanity call sign program. All other stuff aside, when did you use land-line? How long have you been licensed? I am not trying to say I'm a real old-timer; I'm not. I am simply making the argument that due to the vanity call sign program, a lot, if not most, of the 1X2 and 1X3 calls are vanity calls. I also was WA3RJX some 6 years *after* being WB2OSP. It is a matter of the call district. If you move, you loose (at least back in the days). I was N2JH in the early 70s, given the time to renew one's license, that was some 10 years and more after the WN2CJV (or even the WB2OSP) ticket. Heck, maybe after we get a time and frequency (and the 4 call district might be tough except for 40 meters), perhaps we can get a few others on the frequency. I'd almost bet that Hans could wipe us both out ... but we can see .... :) Tell ya what, if Lennie comes up on frequency on CW, I'm gonna quit right then and there! Let's give it a go. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... [snip] I am simply making the argument that due to the vanity call sign program, a lot, if not most, of the 1X2 and 1X3 calls are vanity calls. I disagree. Most of the 1x2 and 1x3 calls seem to be "original issue" not vanity calls. I know only a handful of people that have gotten vanity calls and they have had a tough time finding a call that they liked as there just aren't (and haven't been) that many of the calls available. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
From: "bb" on 4 Jun 2005 11:13:35 -0700
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: KC8GXW wrote: "Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system. What "belief systems", Vipul...?!?! "Belief systems" is a catch-phrase you usurped from Lennie Anderson. Lennie is NOT a good role model to scam lines from. People don't have belief systems? Sure they do. But your mentor uses the term "belief system" as if it were dirty. I see no evidence of that. There are many, many, many forms of belief systems. Few of them are "dirty." But that isn't what Robeson is trying to convey here. Robeson simply wants to insult me anywhichway he can. That's nothing new since he's been trying and trying and trying to do that for years. [he's become very trying] He fails in all attempts. He has "belief systems" too, but they don't seem to include honesty, trustworthiness or strength of character. Some people who claim to have all of the above are creeps. "Lessee....430." Brian, the word "creep" is far too much an understatement to describe Robeson's behavior in here. :-) Gee, Brain...You got the point but didn't even knoiw it... There's no "rule"...Yet Vippy seems to think there is. Good for you. I see no evidence that Vipul thinks there's a rule. I only see evidence of you thinking there is. NONE of us can see into Stebie's thinking processes. I doubt anyone would want to! :-) It must be a strange, twisted place. They are often older, and male. So...Shall we implement euthansia and castration if a licensee dares to get older or have the wrong chromosomes...?!?! Shall you? Care to be number 1? I can help you either way you care to go... Is that a threat? Tsk, tsk. Gonad the Librarian flexes his mighty muscle and pretends to be ruff and tuff. :-) If only his medical supervisors knew how he used implied PHYSICAL HARM and threats of mutilation against others. Tsk. That just adds to a series of hypocritical boastings he's done while claiming to be a helper/savior(?) and "saving lives." So amateurs have terminology and -don't- like to use it? Are you agreeing with Vipul or disagreeing with Vipul??? I am humiliating Vipul. You da man! That poor soul tries humiliation on everyone who disagrees with him. Somehow he never, ever learned about "the inherent good will of amateurs" as mentioned by the FCC. Tsk, tsk. :-( HE seems to think that there's some black undertones to Amateurs using subject-specific terminology. Amateurs are encouraged to use plain language in every emergency management manual or training course that I've ever seen. Maybe Vipul is on to something. Maybe you're not. Stebie is only "on" humiliation of those he disagrees with... I have pointed out to him, repeatedly, that there is NO human endeavor that doesn't ahve it's own "lingo". Sleeping? Heh heh. Captain Obvious has been napping on the job... :-) Chicken politics. Squawk, squawk. Like saying "Lessee....430" without explanation. No expalnation is necessary. More "lingo?" Quit using big words that you don't know what they mean. Maybe Stebie knows the call sign prefixes for the Expal nation? He might "ahve" that in his wallet... From what demographic do you get your data? Why did you drop "Lessee....430" in one of your posting right before the Dayton Hamvention? Were you planning on stopping by my home while you were travelling in Ohio? "Steve and the Boys" were looking for "action" and maybe found some in seven other places... I am basically conservative in my politics. I am a former Paramedic and and presently an ACLS Nurse. I am a licensed aviator. Not to mention a 30+ year licensed Amateur. Paramedic and Nurse is a belief system? Aviation is a belief system? Civilian Private Pilot...who thinks he is "Pilot In Command" when sitting right-seat in a two-place single-engine general aviation aircraft! Yup! That be BELIEF SYSTEM stretched right out past the breaking point. :-) Mebbe Stebie got "command pilot wings" to wear on his patch- adorned flight suit? He be "Pilot In COMMAND," very important! Tsk. Nursing and Piloting don't directly involve radio communications...and they certainly don't get into radio technology of same. What was YOUR point? What was your point in saying, "Lessee....430?" What was your point in "Somalia", "unlicensed devices", "ARES", etc etc etc? Why can't you answer a question about you dropping my house number into one of your posts prior to the Dayton Hamvention? Stebie got CAUGHT, can't bring himself to admit to making nastygram in here...tries misdirection through attempts at other personal insult. Tsk, tsk. I publically acknowledge that Steven J Robeson, 20WPM Extra is not a good Amateur. Brian, I disagree. I say Stebie is Good for nothing... Lennie doesn't accept ANY of us... Not true. He doesn't. He talks nice to you because of your public expression of "admration" fro him in the face of copious evidence that he's a chronic liar. You're a chronic liar. An' he no spell real good, either... Poor Stebie is only "speaking" for his many personalities. NOT for all of amateur radio. There is no one person, group, organization, entity or "belief system" that dictates what makes a "good ham". Not according to Larry, Dick, or Kelly. Oh? Where? I've enver seen one of them state that one and only one person, group organization, entity or belief system is the only true one. Quotes, please. Dick quit being a VE because he didn't """believe""" that the new people were worthy of his time. Larry is on record numerous times telling everyone who tripped over his postings that he was better than everyone else. Kelly, well, he Kelly. Stebie have both short and long-term memory loss. Tsk, tsk. Stebie wants to rehash old, old arguments? Not win first time, hoping to win this time? :-) Tsk, like Jimmie JAMES. Unfortunately, if only more amateur on here would come forward and condemn those who exhibit the characteristics of a "bad ham," such as yourself... But what transpires in here is NOT "Amateur Radio". An amateur is balanced. Stebie is human coax, very unbalanced. You can discuss my on-air operating with K0HB, K8MN and N2EY if you care to. N0IMD is not in my log, on ANY mode. Bruce is Amateur Radio's spoiled potatoe. Hi! Stebie run for vice president? He spell singular potato wrong! I don't care who likes whom. I merely stated that most of the trouble-makers are Extra licensed amateurs, and I stand by my statement. Truism. QED. Who are "the", Brain? (I know you meant "they")...??? Those who feel they have to agree with ham beliefs, or at least play lip service to it or else feel the scorn of the hard-boiled hams. More truisms. QED. Lennie's never availed himself of it. Nor have most Americans, even those who are highly skilled in radio communications and engineering. Poor PCTA Extras of the Double Standard, they very outnumbered. I just can't understand why you would post my house number prior to the Dayton Hamvention unless you planned on stopping by while you were in Ohio. Were you planning on stopping by? Didn't you have something to "teach" me? "Steve and the Boys" got their KKK costumes dirty, had to find a free laundromat to wash them. They tried washing in stream but EPA fined them for polluting the water. That's why "Steve and the Boys" couldn't get to your house in time. Ho hum. Another "hostile action" for the Kode Klucks' Klan. |
Yawn.
Len can say in 12 kb what others can better say in 1. You talk a lot, Len. Yet you manage to say so little. |
The above fraud, calling himself "John Smith" and sending from the
falsified address of "From: "John Smith" nospam@anon" Is not I... There is only one John Smith and I am him--all others are only a cheap imitation... Warmest regards, John "John Smith" nospam@anon wrote in message ... Yawn. Len can say in 12 kb what others can better say in 1. You talk a lot, Len. Yet you manage to say so little. |
From: "Jim Hampton" on Sun 5 Jun 2005 06:01
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message thlink.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Tell ya what, if Lennie comes up on frequency on CW, I'm gonna quit right then and there! Start packing. Pick up last check in Accounting Department. Fort Monmouth, NJ, a June afternoon in 1952, basic radio skills for Microwave Radio Relay MOS at the Signal School in a general purpose school building: Small 6AG7-6L6 MOPA transmitter on about 7.5 MHz, crystal controlled, CW only with a "straight key." Measure RF power into "dummy load" (light bulb), then connect to wire antenna and "load up," see difference in meter readings, hear keying from instructor's simple five-tube receiver. Hear instructor cuss out one for "sending nasty words on-air" with morse key. Sent "CQ" for "keying," nice easy pattern to beat of characters already memorized before service. Maybe 20 Watts RF output. Measure frequency with BC-221. Adjust crystal oscillator for exact frequency and see range of adjustment possible (not much). Satisfaction on getting very close to "on frequency." [not on ham band frequency but still legal for Signal School] 53 years later the boat anchor afficionados are still "peaking the grid, dipping the plate" on their glow-in-the-dark PAs. Ho hum. No big change. Improvement: Modern luggage much, much better. Easy handling, better packing. Let's give it a go. Good luck on your new whatever. :-) |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message link.net... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... Dan's point of a 1X3 being an indicator of an old timer does not hold water. Definitely not. Many holders of 1x3 calls got their licenses in the 1990s and many new licenses today are getting 1x3 calls through the vanity system since there are none available for sequential issue. However if one looks only at the sequentially issued calls, the Ws are older than the Ks which in turn are older than the Ns. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I think you are trying to be a devils advocate here Dee. You should know I was refering to the time before incentive licensing. If you don't...you do now. So my comments are valid and correct. Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan That you may also have mis-read what I was saying. Before vanity calls (incentive licensing was in the 1960s), you could be certain of an old timer by the callsign. You could not be positive of a newer type call because if you changed radio districts, you were issued a new sequentially assigned call. This is why Wayne Greene operated as W2NSD/1 for years. I don't know if he owned or licensed real estate in New York to keep the W2NSD call, but finally was able to keep it for his new QTH. W2NSD is quite some time after a 1X2 call and Wayne goes back a *lot* of years. He got his 50th (or was it more than 50?) year membership pin from the ARRL back quite some time ago. I subscribed to 73 about 10 years ago, so it may have been in that time frame. Assuming he did not get his license at the age of two or three, plus quite a few years between the 1X2s and W2NSD, I would suspect most of the original 1X1s are long SK. I suspect a fair number of the original 1X3s are also gone. Perhaps not the majority, but a fair number. I make this statement only by personally knowing some of them and having an idea of their age. The ones I knew are all SK. Ooops. I do know a 1X2. He was WA2SEY and obtained a 1X2 via the vanity call system. The only one I know is through the vanity call system. Ooops, wait. I've heard a couple on the air locally. All vanity call signs. Going through posts in one group, I've seen a lot of folks grabbing the 1X3s via the vanity call system. Due to personal experience, I suspect that a fair number of 1X3s are vanity issue and am convinced that most, if not all, of the 1X2s are vanity issues. Certainly, there are still a large number of 1X3s still around with a non-vanity issued call. However, I suspect that in the 2nd district, these would have run out sometime around 1959 or 1960. This sets a lower limit on age of around 50. This would be for a child who obtained his or her ticket just before they started with the WA prefixes here. Someone obtaining their ticket then as a teenager should be around 60. You don't have to go too far back through the K2XXX to approach W2XXX and now you're likely looking at someone 80 years old or more. There were fewer amateurs then and callsigns weren't issued at the machine-gun rate they were some decades later. I mentioned K2BRE. Were he still alive, he would be in his mid to upper 80s. And that is still after the W2XXX calls. You expect me to believe most of the 1X3s are 80 years old and older? How many hams are around that are 90 years old? This is why I suspect a fair number of the 1X3s are vanity calls. Of course, other radio districts may not need go back nearly as many years to achieve the 1X3s. My first post was to point out that the WA and WB prefixes indicate folks that are approaching 60 years old. I doubt any were obtained via vanity calls. So, I suspect these folks have been licensed well over 40 years. I cannot assume that with a 1X2 or 1X3. Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but other lids have jumped right in to fill the gap. |
Jim:
The Wayne Green? The one who was even thrown off the Art Bell show for being such a shill con-artist? Wow, you live-ya learn... John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message link.net... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... Dan's point of a 1X3 being an indicator of an old timer does not hold water. Definitely not. Many holders of 1x3 calls got their licenses in the 1990s and many new licenses today are getting 1x3 calls through the vanity system since there are none available for sequential issue. However if one looks only at the sequentially issued calls, the Ws are older than the Ks which in turn are older than the Ns. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I think you are trying to be a devils advocate here Dee. You should know I was refering to the time before incentive licensing. If you don't...you do now. So my comments are valid and correct. Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan That you may also have mis-read what I was saying. Before vanity calls (incentive licensing was in the 1960s), you could be certain of an old timer by the callsign. You could not be positive of a newer type call because if you changed radio districts, you were issued a new sequentially assigned call. This is why Wayne Greene operated as W2NSD/1 for years. I don't know if he owned or licensed real estate in New York to keep the W2NSD call, but finally was able to keep it for his new QTH. W2NSD is quite some time after a 1X2 call and Wayne goes back a *lot* of years. He got his 50th (or was it more than 50?) year membership pin from the ARRL back quite some time ago. I subscribed to 73 about 10 years ago, so it may have been in that time frame. Assuming he did not get his license at the age of two or three, plus quite a few years between the 1X2s and W2NSD, I would suspect most of the original 1X1s are long SK. I suspect a fair number of the original 1X3s are also gone. Perhaps not the majority, but a fair number. I make this statement only by personally knowing some of them and having an idea of their age. The ones I knew are all SK. Ooops. I do know a 1X2. He was WA2SEY and obtained a 1X2 via the vanity call system. The only one I know is through the vanity call system. Ooops, wait. I've heard a couple on the air locally. All vanity call signs. Going through posts in one group, I've seen a lot of folks grabbing the 1X3s via the vanity call system. Due to personal experience, I suspect that a fair number of 1X3s are vanity issue and am convinced that most, if not all, of the 1X2s are vanity issues. Certainly, there are still a large number of 1X3s still around with a non-vanity issued call. However, I suspect that in the 2nd district, these would have run out sometime around 1959 or 1960. This sets a lower limit on age of around 50. This would be for a child who obtained his or her ticket just before they started with the WA prefixes here. Someone obtaining their ticket then as a teenager should be around 60. You don't have to go too far back through the K2XXX to approach W2XXX and now you're likely looking at someone 80 years old or more. There were fewer amateurs then and callsigns weren't issued at the machine-gun rate they were some decades later. I mentioned K2BRE. Were he still alive, he would be in his mid to upper 80s. And that is still after the W2XXX calls. You expect me to believe most of the 1X3s are 80 years old and older? How many hams are around that are 90 years old? This is why I suspect a fair number of the 1X3s are vanity calls. Of course, other radio districts may not need go back nearly as many years to achieve the 1X3s. My first post was to point out that the WA and WB prefixes indicate folks that are approaching 60 years old. I doubt any were obtained via vanity calls. So, I suspect these folks have been licensed well over 40 years. I cannot assume that with a 1X2 or 1X3. Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but other lids have jumped right in to fill the gap. |
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... "KC8GXW" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "KC8GXW" wrote in message ... [snip] But there are too many no code tech's that get a vanity call now adays. Which totally sucks. The FCC at ONE TIME wanted distintive callsigns for class of license. Now it is too much work to bother with. What a joke they are. They are still limited to getting a call that is limited by their license class. Technicians were assigned 1x3 calls until the sequentially available 1x3 calls ran out. That some now choose to get a 1x3 vanity only means that they are getting a call that they are entitled to by license class. As a matter of fact the FCC once considered the W/K prefix "prefered calls". And at one time the FCC required you to change your call if you permanetly moved to another district. And in deference to the W/K....if you had one they would issue another from the prefered block. Which is how I got my present call (W4NTI) because I used to have K8BHH. Course that all went to crap with the alphabet soup system of today. There's an Extra near here that still has his K8*** call, he was a tech until the early nineties and upgraded to Extra when it was still 20 wpm. So what? having a old K8 means he has a original issue K8 call. You don't seem to comprehend that what was this and what is now ain't no where near the same. All there was back then was W and K calls, followed by WA, WB, WD, then a re-issue for a while, then the alphabet soup we have today. The FCC could have issued N calls back then if they had wanted to. The block was assigned to the US. There's no "alphabet soup" crap today. The call sign eligibility is the same as it has been since they initiated the 5 level license class decades ago. We have the same call sign eligibility today as then. The problem is that a lot of call signs have been "used" and so they went to the next available block. Ws were used first, then Ks, and then Ns and then As. Today no call district has 1x3s available for sequential issue (except perhaps for some of the special territories). In addition 1x2s and 2x1s are no long available for sequential issue. Why? They have all been issued. The only available ones are those that have been returned to the pool by lack of renewal by the licensee for whatever reason. It will not be long now before the last block of Extra class call signs (2x2 beginning with AA - AL) is used up in the sequential system. The only reason it hasn't is that a lot of people are keeping their old call signs instead of getting new ones when they upgrade. If someone comes into a license session today with no license and passes the code, Tech written and General written all in one sitting, he/she will receive a 2x3 call. Yes even a General will receive a 2x3 if it is a new issue. To get a call "reflecting his class", means that the new General has to search for vacated calls and find one available and get it as a vanity. I kept my original call sign when I upgraded to advanced and then extra as there were no 1x2s left in my call district. I didn't like the 2x1s or the 2x2s. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Hello, Dee I agree; I don't care for the 2X1s nor the 2X2s. That said, I wasn't going to pay money to get the WB2 call back and the N2JH was taken via the vanity system. There was a brief period when extras were allowed to select a call in the N series and I took that after leaving Pennsylvania as WA3RJX. My point continues to be that you can only make assumptions on the WA and WB prefixes. New calls will likely be a 2X3, but after WA and WB. No one would pay for them and they are likely all licensed over 40 years. Which came first, WA2SEY or W2AV? Well, WA2SEY took advantage of the vanity system and is now W2AV. So that one is a push, except that WA2SEY has been vacated. Dontcha just love the alphabet soup? Perhaps we could all get a w, k, n, or a prefix depending upon class licensed followed by the numbers indicating the first license issue date, followed by three letters. Since I doubt enough folks would get their license on the same day in the same radio district to overflow the last 3 letters, it would leave room for vanity by choosing your initials. I can see it now - de W050262JRH K LOL. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message hlink.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... You are right, when the Ws were exhausted, they ran through the Ks. Then they started with WA and so on. The N prefix became available in the very late 60s or very early 70s. WA and WB predate the N prefix. I don't know about all area's but I can say this, for the 8th district...circa summer of 1961 they did indeed re-issue K calls. I received KN8BHH, my friend received KN8BBL, another friend received KN8DEN, etc. however just a month or so later another group of buds received WN8 which turned into WA8 calls. Go figure. Still haven't heard from Dan. Perhaps we could sked for a nice chat - as long as he can put up with a "newbie". Better keep it slow, say 30 words per minute cw with no automated copy devices. I suppose if he pushes me, I might consider 40. Not much more, however; I'm not up to that stuff anymore. Of course, if push came to shove .... I might be willing to give the high-speed stuff a crack, but don't expect much from a former WN prefix. If he *really* wants to push the envelope, I'd be willing to take a week and meet him using American Land-Line Morse. Should be good for a hoot. No more than 16, however, as I'd be using a mental look-up table. Not enough call for land-line Morse to make it worthwhile to get good at it. I only used it once in 1968. Of course, I hadn't copied Morse since 1969 when I retook the extra in 1993 .... at 20 words per minute .... ;) Haven't heard from me? This is the first time I saw this. Sure I'll sked ya. I'm on 3.575 every evening at 1900CST, that would be 2000Z. On Sundays I am net control (local time). I have not used the railroad code in 40 years, so I'll pass on that one. The only thing that is automatic in my cw is my ability to copy. Should still do well at 50 or so. If not we qrs. Send me a e-mail and follow my SPAM catchers instructions. I don't give a rip who believe me here. Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan Should be fun. I could well loose, who knows? But I'll tell you what, I hope both of us learn a bit of respect for each other. I honestly don't know how well I'll do much past 40 as it has been quite a few years - but I'm willing to give it a try. I will get your addy minus the spam catcher and explain further. Hang on to your shorts, it might be a bumpy ride LOL Seriously, Dan, I hope we can end this one on a friendly note. I get upset sometimes with some of the threads. I bear no ill will against newcomers nor old timers. I do hope you read what I stated concerning the 1X3 and 1X2 call signs. I was being honest there. Must have missed that. In any case, I'll be in touch. Wanna bet that we'll hear from Len on this one? A beer? LOL Only if he has a code reader on his computer and sound card interface... hi. BTW, you are right about the KN prefixes. Those became the KX3 calls. At the time, however, New York was the most populus state and the 2 district was into the WB2 calls. I've still got my original novice license issued in 1962 as WN2CJV which would have become a WB2 call. I'm willing to try and take a digital photo of it and send it to you if you wish. No need....I have my very first license in a file. KN8BHH, issued summer of 1961. In fact this month (June). There are differences between districts. And I still abide by my thoughts that the average WA or WB has been licensed longer than the average 1X2 or 1X3 call simply because of the FCC and its' vanity call sign program. Your probably right Jim, now a days having a pre vanity 1X2 or 1X3 means nothing because every one assumes you paid for it. All other stuff aside, when did you use land-line? Just before I went off to the military in 64. Was just getting into it, and dropped out for many years. Haven't done it since. How long have you been licensed? As stated above, got my first ticket in summer of 61, got the general 3 months later. Went off to the military and after traveling around Asia and Europe. I operated from Thailand and not quite legally from Vietnam, and of course out of Europe in the 70s. I took my Advanced test in mid 70s while stationed at Ft. McClellan, got that in Atlanta. Then went back to Germany and took my Extra there at Ramstein Air Base. This was when the FCC was sending teams out to do that. Amazing. I am not trying to say I'm a real old-timer; I'm not. I am simply making the argument that due to the vanity call sign program, a lot, if not most, of the 1X2 and 1X3 calls are vanity calls. You were licensed 43 years ago. Thats a old timer. Most of those older are dead. Boy thats a cheery thought. I agree about the call sign situation. W4XYZ licensed in 2001? What a deal. I also was WA3RJX some 6 years *after* being WB2OSP. It is a matter of the call district. If you move, you loose (at least back in the days). I was N2JH in the early 70s, given the time to renew one's license, that was some 10 years and more after the WN2CJV (or even the WB2OSP) ticket. As a Novice and new General I worked so many WN, WA,WB2's I thought that is all there was on 40cw. I dropped my K8 call in the mid 70s. When I decided I was going to stay here in Bama after I got out in 79. So I had to change my callsign due to the move. Heck, maybe after we get a time and frequency (and the 4 call district might be tough except for 40 meters), perhaps we can get a few others on the frequency. Fine by me. I'd almost bet that Hans could wipe us both out ... but we can see .... :) I don't know....I know I have worked him several times on SSB in a contest. Don't remember if I did in CW or not. Tell ya what, if Lennie comes up on frequency on CW, I'm gonna quit right then and there! Let's give it a go. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Dan/W4NTI |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but other lids have jumped right in to fill the gap. I remember his well. In fact I was insulted by him several times on 75 when he slapped me around for having a K8 call.....hi. Didn't a club pick up his call? Dan/W4NTI |
"KC8GXW" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: snip Yes it is, and yes I am. So what? The general theory was mainly concerned with freqs used by Generals and HF stuff. At that time in history the Tech test was centered around V/Uhf stuff. So that would also make most of the generals in the last 15 years also a give away license? Seeing as the only difference was 13wpm. No it wouldn't. It takes a large amount of time and effort to achieve 13 wpm. That certainly does not qualify as a give away. snip No, just a no coder. Unless of course you did pass a 5wpm test. Then you would be a Technician. Hi hi. I took the 5wpm when I did my novice. Congrats....so did I. Then I jumped over the Tech and took my General at 13wpm, then my Advanced then my Extra at 20wpm. Your point is? Dan/W4NTI My point was in answer to your statement! |
wrote in message ups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message ups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI I can order pizza? I see what you mean now about me not knowing all the rules and regs off the top of my head. Look what I've been missing! |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI Is there really any need for much technical knowledge to obtain a ham license anymore? Why a need for technical knowlege when setting up and operating a station today is simply plug-an-play? How many hams constuct any equipment they use on the air any more? The most tech knowledge that might be required is maybe how to build and put up and adjust an antenna. Perhaps the test should focus more on rules, regulations and proper operating procedures. The most technical that hams get today is knowing how many frequencies they can store in the radios memory. As you say Dan, with the joke they use for testing today, no technical knowledge is required anyway, just memorize the answers to the questions and off you go. So maybe if the tests were geared more to regs and operating procedures, then even with the memoriziation some of it might soak in and maybe there would less cb type operating on the ham bands. It is pretty bad when as I heard not long ago on a 2 meter reperter, "I just got my license, can someone tell me what frequencies I can operate?" Cheeese. Even wogie wussman passed the test, that in itself speaks volumns about how easy the they are. |
John Smith wrote:
... absolutely not, that is why ham radio has failed, the old guys keep trying to turn it into a darn religion with a bunch of traditions (or is that an A.A. meeting?)... We need some young active technical people to bring some technology to the focus in this hobby and breathe some life back into it... So, are you a ham? |
.... absolutely not, that is why ham radio has failed, the old guys keep
trying to turn it into a darn religion with a bunch of traditions (or is that an A.A. meeting?)... We need some young active technical people to bring some technology to the focus in this hobby and breathe some life back into it... Warmest regards, John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message link.net... wrote in message ups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... [snip] Certainly, there are still a large number of 1X3s still around with a non-vanity issued call. However, I suspect that in the 2nd district, these would have run out sometime around 1959 or 1960. This sets a lower limit on age of around 50. This would be for a child who obtained his or her ticket just before they started with the WA prefixes here. Someone obtaining their ticket then as a teenager should be around 60. You don't have to go too far back through the K2XXX to approach W2XXX and now you're likely looking at someone 80 years old or more. There were fewer amateurs then and callsigns weren't issued at the machine-gun rate they were some decades later. You keep ignoring the 1x3s beginning with N. These started being issued in the 1970s and/or 1980s and finished being issued in the 1990s (for all call districts). So the 1x3s beginning with K would not have run out until sometime in that 1970-1980 timeframe. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message hlink.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but other lids have jumped right in to fill the gap. I remember his well. In fact I was insulted by him several times on 75 when he slapped me around for having a K8 call.....hi. Didn't a club pick up his call? Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan Yes, it is a club call now. OY jumped on my frequency once on 75 when I was chatting with a station in Ohio. Guess what? The Ohio station was a good cw op and we changed to cw. At first, I tried signing 73 with him at about 20 words per minute. He came back stating cw was fine with him. Inside of 30 seconds we kept asking each other "qrq?" and rapidly cranked up to about 40 words per minute. With the q-multiplier cranked up, I couldn't even hear W2OY. I briefly turned it down to hear him moaning and groaning for us to "take those toys down into the cw band!". LOL. He didn't bither us a bot! 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... [snip] Certainly, there are still a large number of 1X3s still around with a non-vanity issued call. However, I suspect that in the 2nd district, these would have run out sometime around 1959 or 1960. This sets a lower limit on age of around 50. This would be for a child who obtained his or her ticket just before they started with the WA prefixes here. Someone obtaining their ticket then as a teenager should be around 60. You don't have to go too far back through the K2XXX to approach W2XXX and now you're likely looking at someone 80 years old or more. There were fewer amateurs then and callsigns weren't issued at the machine-gun rate they were some decades later. You keep ignoring the 1x3s beginning with N. These started being issued in the 1970s and/or 1980s and finished being issued in the 1990s (for all call districts). So the 1x3s beginning with K would not have run out until sometime in that 1970-1980 timeframe. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Hello, Dee I thought I had mentioned that I had obtained N2JH under a vanity for extra class licensees in the very early 70s. I have been in touch with Dan and I think we both got a surprise. He obtained his ticket only 1 year before I did and didn't get the W4NTI until some years *later*. There was a big difference between call districts as we had exhaused the 1X3s in the very late 50s in the 2 district (or perhaps early 1960). WA was issued in 60/61 and WBs started in 1962 (at least so I believe as I obtained WN2CJV in May of 1962, which would have become a WB2 upon upgrade). I consider the N calls to be the first of the "recent" stuff, despite going back 30 to 35 years. It also turns out that we are both Vietnam vets. As far as 1X3s, it would depend upon the district; as I mentioned, the NY/NJ area was done with 1X3s sometime in the very late 50s or perhaps 1960. By May, 1962, we were up to WB2CJV. WAs were already exhausted. I did get to operate K2US at the Coca Cola pavillion during the World's Fair in 1964 LOL. So there are 3 1X2s that I was familiar with that have been re-issued (W2ZX, Russ, and W2OY, Mike are the other 2). All re-issued after the gates started opening. At least in NY/NY, I suspect the bulk of 1X3s are re-issued under the vanity call sign program. Hey, come to think of it, I remember Mike and Pam Kortz. They lived perhaps 1/4 mile away from me. I still had a crystal radio and had built a one-tube regenerative receiver. He had let his novice license expire more than one year before. He would have had a 1X3 if he had upgraded, but he dropped radio. I was in 7th grade; that meant it was 1959. I assume he was licensed in 1957 or so. He would have been very near the end of the 1X3s. He was 3 years older than I. Pam, his sister, was my age. That sets a minimum age, in my mind, of around 55 years old for an original 1X3 from the NY/NJ area. Any moves, and you loose it. I suspect that original 1X3s, although not rare, are likely not in the majority. Some folks drop out, others are killed. Some move. Original X2XXX calls are not likely in the majority. X2XX are as common as weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I knew a couple and they are long sk. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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