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"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message ups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI Is there really any need for much technical knowledge to obtain a ham license anymore? Why a need for technical knowlege when setting up and operating a station today is simply plug-an-play? How many hams constuct any equipment they use on the air any more? The most tech knowledge that might be required is maybe how to build and put up and adjust an antenna. Perhaps the test should focus more on rules, regulations and proper operating procedures. The most technical that hams get today is knowing how many frequencies they can store in the radios memory. As you say Dan, with the joke they use for testing today, no technical knowledge is required anyway, just memorize the answers to the questions and off you go. So maybe if the tests were geared more to regs and operating procedures, then even with the memoriziation some of it might soak in and maybe there would less cb type operating on the ham bands. It is pretty bad when as I heard not long ago on a 2 meter reperter, "I just got my license, can someone tell me what frequencies I can operate?" Cheeese. Even wogie wussman passed the test, that in itself speaks volumns about how easy the they are. Hi, gang Well, I am at a loss to reply to one post. The gentleman asked about the necessity of needing an rf bridge to measure the impedance of his antenna. He asked if he could simply use an ohm meter. He is a general. I think. Maybe an extra ... :( My honest belief is that folks should understand reactance and resistance to obtain a general class license. We aren't talking brain surgery here. My concern is not over cw as it is really an old mode of transmission; however, that should not excuse folks from learning at least the basics of theory. I'm still contemplating a further post on a Hammond Organ site. One guy wants to replace an impedance transformer and a tube amp with a solid state amp. He seems concerned with "reflected power". My guess is that he is a newly minted general or extra class licensee. I did reply that I'd suggest only replacing the pre-amp and leave the impedance matching transformer. It will be easier. I just don't know how to explain about emitter followers or igfets (or mosfets, whatever). If he is licensed, it should be a no-brainer at audio frequencies (only to around 6 kHz at that!), but his concern about "reflected power" really leaves me brain-boggled. Of course, he might have several miles of feedline between the transformer and pre-amp, but I sort of doubt that. As to frequencies, anyone can transmit on any frequency. As to what frequencies the *may* legally operate on, that is another question - and one that individual should know. Or, at least have the reference materials around so he/she doesn't have to ask. It would be like going into an operating room for an operation and hearing the doctor ask "what is a scalpel?". Gaaaaaah! Which way to the exit? 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
Hello, John
You've seen technical knowledge amongst the new folks? Glad you've seen some. As to me, I like to rag-chew. Like I did with that professor from the U of R concerning theoretical physics. Of course, he's an old guy too .... My neighbor called me again last week. Make that week before last. Seems her computer is on the fritz. The last time she had taken it to a "tech" who simply ran the restore disk. No more partitions - and he didn't even put the antivirus nor firewall back in! It took me two trips and probably 3 hours to fix the bloody thing. Not to mention putting a second partition on the drive and trying to organize it a bit. She got a "copy" of XP (notice the quotes - take it any way you wish). This was perhaps 4 months ago. Well, she called (it will be two weeks this coming Thursday) and her compooter is all bogged down. I told her I was busy, but I'd call. Well, I'd plead Alzheimer's, but obviously I remember telling her that. Maybe I'm too busy. In any case, I think she should take that thing back to the young buck that "fixes" 'em and chargers her for his time (which I did *not*). Tell ya what, the old coots can and do learn. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA (first licensed in 1962 and had 1st radiotelephone in 1966 along with a commercial telegraph license - but don't know anything, obviously LOL) ps - there is no respect for technically oriented folks in this country. This is slowly being reflected by the drop folks opting for engineering degrees. Everyone wants to be a lawyer or engineer. "John Smith" wrote in message ... ... absolutely not, that is why ham radio has failed, the old guys keep trying to turn it into a darn religion with a bunch of traditions (or is that an A.A. meeting?)... We need some young active technical people to bring some technology to the focus in this hobby and breathe some life back into it... Warmest regards, John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message link.net... wrote in message ups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI |
Jim:
I think you can "know all the answers" to the exam, and yet be a total loss of how to apply it all, and how it all "really works"... Years ago when I was a teenager, it was at clubs and activities I picked up the "hands on", plus--even in the small town I lived in there were 3 hams! Now-a-days they are few and far between... And, now with everyone hiding from terrorists, afraid your neighbor is a child-molester, and too busy having to make a buck (wife too these days) the new comers miss a whole lot--in the city I live in, can walk-about all day long and not have one other citizen speak a greeting--if I don't speak first... things have changed, I am afraid it is "adapt-or-die" frown Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message ups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI Is there really any need for much technical knowledge to obtain a ham license anymore? Why a need for technical knowlege when setting up and operating a station today is simply plug-an-play? How many hams constuct any equipment they use on the air any more? The most tech knowledge that might be required is maybe how to build and put up and adjust an antenna. Perhaps the test should focus more on rules, regulations and proper operating procedures. The most technical that hams get today is knowing how many frequencies they can store in the radios memory. As you say Dan, with the joke they use for testing today, no technical knowledge is required anyway, just memorize the answers to the questions and off you go. So maybe if the tests were geared more to regs and operating procedures, then even with the memoriziation some of it might soak in and maybe there would less cb type operating on the ham bands. It is pretty bad when as I heard not long ago on a 2 meter reperter, "I just got my license, can someone tell me what frequencies I can operate?" Cheeese. Even wogie wussman passed the test, that in itself speaks volumns about how easy the they are. Hi, gang Well, I am at a loss to reply to one post. The gentleman asked about the necessity of needing an rf bridge to measure the impedance of his antenna. He asked if he could simply use an ohm meter. He is a general. I think. Maybe an extra ... :( My honest belief is that folks should understand reactance and resistance to obtain a general class license. We aren't talking brain surgery here. My concern is not over cw as it is really an old mode of transmission; however, that should not excuse folks from learning at least the basics of theory. I'm still contemplating a further post on a Hammond Organ site. One guy wants to replace an impedance transformer and a tube amp with a solid state amp. He seems concerned with "reflected power". My guess is that he is a newly minted general or extra class licensee. I did reply that I'd suggest only replacing the pre-amp and leave the impedance matching transformer. It will be easier. I just don't know how to explain about emitter followers or igfets (or mosfets, whatever). If he is licensed, it should be a no-brainer at audio frequencies (only to around 6 kHz at that!), but his concern about "reflected power" really leaves me brain-boggled. Of course, he might have several miles of feedline between the transformer and pre-amp, but I sort of doubt that. As to frequencies, anyone can transmit on any frequency. As to what frequencies the *may* legally operate on, that is another question - and one that individual should know. Or, at least have the reference materials around so he/she doesn't have to ask. It would be like going into an operating room for an operation and hearing the doctor ask "what is a scalpel?". Gaaaaaah! Which way to the exit? 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Jim: I think you can "know all the answers" to the exam, and yet be a total loss of how to apply it all, and how it all "really works"... Years ago when I was a teenager, it was at clubs and activities I picked up the "hands on", plus--even in the small town I lived in there were 3 hams! Now-a-days they are few and far between... And, now with everyone hiding from terrorists, afraid your neighbor is a child-molester, and too busy having to make a buck (wife too these days) the new comers miss a whole lot--in the city I live in, can walk-about all day long and not have one other citizen speak a greeting--if I don't speak first... things have changed, I am afraid it is "adapt-or-die" frown Warmest regards, John Likely true, John Unfortunately, our dear administration has been pointing the finger at a few things (weapons of mass destruction, terrorists, and the gay issue) to avoid the things that should likely concern us most (at least in my mind). The stupid deficit is beyond comprehension. Not that long ago, we wanted a weaker dollar so we could export more. Now, in the paper, Wall Street responds positively to a *stronger* dollar. Could we be praying that folks don't figure out that the dollar isn't worth the paper it is printed on? What is going on? We are turning into a nation of "turn in thy neighbor if you think they aren't exactly 'right'". Sounds like Russia, China, or pre-WWII Germany. Meanwhile, as you have discovered, both parents have to work today. Minimum wage isn't increasing. Income tax for the 6 figure plus folks has been decreasing, but how about your property tax? I must admit that I am in danger of becoming a curmudgeon. Wages are terrible. I was making less than 1/3 of what I made in 1989 (not counting inflation!) and all of us were let go that were hired the first of February. I have a small pension; I think I can live on somewhat over $300 per week take-home. It would not be smart to take a $10.00 per hour job as the tax will be "off the top" and I'd be lucky to take home $300 of the $400. Meanwhile, I have to pay for gas to get to work? BTW, I had taken a $13.00 per hour tech job. Engineers (contract, anyhow) aren't paid much more. Meanwhile, the city has a job for $11.85 as a parking attendant. The tough requirement is that you have to be able to make change without the use of a calculator or computer. Is something wrong with this picture. So, I've been resting on my backside. I'm waiting for some small signs of intelligence so that I will feel safe that there will be a *big* change in the coming elections. Then, and only then, will I go back to work. Meanwhile, the FBI is getting a substation less than a mile away from me. The police have moved back to a block from me. Somehow, however, I don't feel a whole lot safer. Two shootings in the past 4 months within 6 blocks of me. Dang! Ain't Bush doing a heck of a job? Don'tcha just feel so safe? :)) Meanwhile, I'd just like a few women to molest me. It has been so many years .... :)) It is tough getting old, but it beats the alternative ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA ps - this background may be why you see some old timers getting their panties in a knot. I don't care about cw (although I've enjoyed it), but feel folks should have some *minimal* background for their ticket. pps - it isn't about applying the knowledge; it is the fact that knowing the answers to certain questions does *not* mean you even understand the material. |
Heck, John, he was pushing the Art Bell show for a while :))
73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA ps - ya got it right! "John Smith" wrote in message ... Jim: The Wayne Green? The one who was even thrown off the Art Bell show for being such a shill con-artist? Wow, you live-ya learn... John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message link.net... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... Dan's point of a 1X3 being an indicator of an old timer does not hold water. Definitely not. Many holders of 1x3 calls got their licenses in the 1990s and many new licenses today are getting 1x3 calls through the vanity system since there are none available for sequential issue. However if one looks only at the sequentially issued calls, the Ws are older than the Ks which in turn are older than the Ns. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I think you are trying to be a devils advocate here Dee. You should know I was refering to the time before incentive licensing. If you don't...you do now. So my comments are valid and correct. Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan That you may also have mis-read what I was saying. Before vanity calls (incentive licensing was in the 1960s), you could be certain of an old timer by the callsign. You could not be positive of a newer type call because if you changed radio districts, you were issued a new sequentially assigned call. This is why Wayne Greene operated as W2NSD/1 for years. I don't know if he owned or licensed real estate in New York to keep the W2NSD call, but finally was able to keep it for his new QTH. W2NSD is quite some time after a 1X2 call and Wayne goes back a *lot* of years. He got his 50th (or was it more than 50?) year membership pin from the ARRL back quite some time ago. I subscribed to 73 about 10 years ago, so it may have been in that time frame. Assuming he did not get his license at the age of two or three, plus quite a few years between the 1X2s and W2NSD, I would suspect most of the original 1X1s are long SK. I suspect a fair number of the original 1X3s are also gone. Perhaps not the majority, but a fair number. I make this statement only by personally knowing some of them and having an idea of their age. The ones I knew are all SK. Ooops. I do know a 1X2. He was WA2SEY and obtained a 1X2 via the vanity call system. The only one I know is through the vanity call system. Ooops, wait. I've heard a couple on the air locally. All vanity call signs. Going through posts in one group, I've seen a lot of folks grabbing the 1X3s via the vanity call system. Due to personal experience, I suspect that a fair number of 1X3s are vanity issue and am convinced that most, if not all, of the 1X2s are vanity issues. Certainly, there are still a large number of 1X3s still around with a non-vanity issued call. However, I suspect that in the 2nd district, these would have run out sometime around 1959 or 1960. This sets a lower limit on age of around 50. This would be for a child who obtained his or her ticket just before they started with the WA prefixes here. Someone obtaining their ticket then as a teenager should be around 60. You don't have to go too far back through the K2XXX to approach W2XXX and now you're likely looking at someone 80 years old or more. There were fewer amateurs then and callsigns weren't issued at the machine-gun rate they were some decades later. I mentioned K2BRE. Were he still alive, he would be in his mid to upper 80s. And that is still after the W2XXX calls. You expect me to believe most of the 1X3s are 80 years old and older? How many hams are around that are 90 years old? This is why I suspect a fair number of the 1X3s are vanity calls. Of course, other radio districts may not need go back nearly as many years to achieve the 1X3s. My first post was to point out that the WA and WB prefixes indicate folks that are approaching 60 years old. I doubt any were obtained via vanity calls. So, I suspect these folks have been licensed well over 40 years. I cannot assume that with a 1X2 or 1X3. Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but other lids have jumped right in to fill the gap. |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message hlink.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but other lids have jumped right in to fill the gap. I remember his well. In fact I was insulted by him several times on 75 when he slapped me around for having a K8 call.....hi. Didn't a club pick up his call? Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan Yes, it is a club call now. OY jumped on my frequency once on 75 when I was chatting with a station in Ohio. Guess what? The Ohio station was a good cw op and we changed to cw. At first, I tried signing 73 with him at about 20 words per minute. He came back stating cw was fine with him. Inside of 30 seconds we kept asking each other "qrq?" and rapidly cranked up to about 40 words per minute. With the q-multiplier cranked up, I couldn't even hear W2OY. I briefly turned it down to hear him moaning and groaning for us to "take those toys down into the cw band!". LOL. He didn't bither us a bot! 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA And this after the goof jumped on top of your qso, my oh my a two letter suffix LID... hi. Dan/W4NTI |
"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message ups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI Is there really any need for much technical knowledge to obtain a ham license anymore? Why a need for technical knowlege when setting up and operating a station today is simply plug-an-play? How many hams constuct any equipment they use on the air any more? The most tech knowledge that might be required is maybe how to build and put up and adjust an antenna. Perhaps the test should focus more on rules, regulations and proper operating procedures. The most technical that hams get today is knowing how many frequencies they can store in the radios memory. I am not all that concerned about the "technical knowledge" side of the test. I think basic technical knowledge is all that is really necessary. Like being able to cut a simple dipole, understand the terminology, have a working knowledge in block diagram format, for what is happening inside that radio. And I totally agree that the test should be heavy on rules, regs, and PROPER OPERATING PROCEDURES....like don't talk CB Crap on HF SSB. \ As you say Dan, with the joke they use for testing today, no technical knowledge is required anyway, just memorize the answers to the questions and off you go. So maybe if the tests were geared more to regs and operating procedures, then even with the memoriziation some of it might soak in and maybe there would less cb type operating on the ham bands. We agree it lots here, eh? It is pretty bad when as I heard not long ago on a 2 meter reperter, "I just got my license, can someone tell me what frequencies I can operate?" Cheeese. Or what I heard on the 75meter EKTRA band......I wanna cut a new dipole for 80m phone (First off what is 80 meter phone?)(I always thought it was 75meter phone). Out of the 5 people in the group, one had it right. Amazing. Even wogie wussman passed the test, that in itself speaks volumns about how easy the they are. He should have done real good the second time around...yuk yuk. Dan/W4NTI |
We have plenty of hi-tech stuff going on in Amateur Radio. Just not all
that much at HF or on the two meter CB band of FM machines. Just off the top of my head.....ever hear of AMSAT? You know those satellite thingy's? Or how about digital voice on HF? Digital SlowScan? Or for that matter digital fast scan TV? Then of course the utter glut of new and experimental digital modes....too many to even talk about here. Then don't forget the EME (moonbounce) with WSJT program that allows you to do what it took a KW and 4 / 16 element phased yagis to do just a decade ago, with only 150 watts OR LESS? So lets not talk about hams not doing anything technical. Next BS line. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... ... absolutely not, that is why ham radio has failed, the old guys keep trying to turn it into a darn religion with a bunch of traditions (or is that an A.A. meeting?)... We need some young active technical people to bring some technology to the focus in this hobby and breathe some life back into it... Warmest regards, John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message link.net... wrote in message ups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI |
From: "K4YZ" on Mon 6 Jun 2005 04:24
wrote: From: "bb" on 4 Jun 2005 11:13:35 -0700 I can't "insult" anyone who doesn't present the opportunity to BE insulted, Lennie. You lie. You deceive. You attempt to humiliate other's sincerity and accomplishments for your own demeaning reasons. You ARE your own worst enemy. ...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air, interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair. Temper fry. |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message hlink.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but other lids have jumped right in to fill the gap. I remember his well. In fact I was insulted by him several times on 75 when he slapped me around for having a K8 call.....hi. Didn't a club pick up his call? Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan Yes, it is a club call now. OY jumped on my frequency once on 75 when I was chatting with a station in Ohio. Guess what? The Ohio station was a good cw op and we changed to cw. At first, I tried signing 73 with him at about 20 words per minute. He came back stating cw was fine with him. Inside of 30 seconds we kept asking each other "qrq?" and rapidly cranked up to about 40 words per minute. With the q-multiplier cranked up, I couldn't even hear W2OY. I briefly turned it down to hear him moaning and groaning for us to "take those toys down into the cw band!". LOL. He didn't bither us a bot! 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA And this after the goof jumped on top of your qso, my oh my a two letter suffix LID... hi. Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan Since you have been licensed since 1961, I shouldn't have to point out that there has never been a sanity test for an amateur radio license :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message ups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI Is there really any need for much technical knowledge to obtain a ham license anymore? Why a need for technical knowlege when setting up and operating a station today is simply plug-an-play? How many hams constuct any equipment they use on the air any more? The most tech knowledge that might be required is maybe how to build and put up and adjust an antenna. Perhaps the test should focus more on rules, regulations and proper operating procedures. The most technical that hams get today is knowing how many frequencies they can store in the radios memory. I am not all that concerned about the "technical knowledge" side of the test. I think basic technical knowledge is all that is really necessary. Like being able to cut a simple dipole, understand the terminology, have a working knowledge in block diagram format, for what is happening inside that radio. And I totally agree that the test should be heavy on rules, regs, and PROPER OPERATING PROCEDURES....like don't talk CB Crap on HF SSB. \ As you say Dan, with the joke they use for testing today, no technical knowledge is required anyway, just memorize the answers to the questions and off you go. So maybe if the tests were geared more to regs and operating procedures, then even with the memoriziation some of it might soak in and maybe there would less cb type operating on the ham bands. We agree it lots here, eh? It is pretty bad when as I heard not long ago on a 2 meter reperter, "I just got my license, can someone tell me what frequencies I can operate?" Cheeese. Or what I heard on the 75meter EKTRA band......I wanna cut a new dipole for 80m phone (First off what is 80 meter phone?)(I always thought it was 75meter phone). Out of the 5 people in the group, one had it right. Amazing. Even wogie wussman passed the test, that in itself speaks volumns about how easy the they are. He should have done real good the second time around...yuk yuk. Dan/W4NTI Hello, again, Dan Yep, 75 is phone, 80 is CW. At least that was the reference back in the days. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
Hello, Dan
How about 85 watts on 24 GHz? Naw, nothing technical going on in amateur radio. Just plug the mic thingy in here and stick the antenna thingy in there. :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... We have plenty of hi-tech stuff going on in Amateur Radio. Just not all that much at HF or on the two meter CB band of FM machines. Just off the top of my head.....ever hear of AMSAT? You know those satellite thingy's? Or how about digital voice on HF? Digital SlowScan? Or for that matter digital fast scan TV? Then of course the utter glut of new and experimental digital modes....too many to even talk about here. Then don't forget the EME (moonbounce) with WSJT program that allows you to do what it took a KW and 4 / 16 element phased yagis to do just a decade ago, with only 150 watts OR LESS? So lets not talk about hams not doing anything technical. Next BS line. Dan/W4NTI |
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Jim:
Sanity test? Be careful what you suggest. If they began checking for sanity the bands would be empty!!! Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message hlink.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but other lids have jumped right in to fill the gap. I remember his well. In fact I was insulted by him several times on 75 when he slapped me around for having a K8 call.....hi. Didn't a club pick up his call? Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan Yes, it is a club call now. OY jumped on my frequency once on 75 when I was chatting with a station in Ohio. Guess what? The Ohio station was a good cw op and we changed to cw. At first, I tried signing 73 with him at about 20 words per minute. He came back stating cw was fine with him. Inside of 30 seconds we kept asking each other "qrq?" and rapidly cranked up to about 40 words per minute. With the q-multiplier cranked up, I couldn't even hear W2OY. I briefly turned it down to hear him moaning and groaning for us to "take those toys down into the cw band!". LOL. He didn't bither us a bot! 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA And this after the goof jumped on top of your qso, my oh my a two letter suffix LID... hi. Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan Since you have been licensed since 1961, I shouldn't have to point out that there has never been a sanity test for an amateur radio license :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
From: "K4YZ" on Tues 7 Jun 2005 01:56
And once again you prove the REST of us right when we call you a self-serving blight on ALL Veterans. A liar for the ages. What you ARE, is a disgrace to the uniform you wore and a footprint on the graves of men who DID serve their country unselfishly. Scumbag. ...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air, interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair. Temper fry. |
"John Smith" wrote in message
... Jim: Sanity test? Be careful what you suggest. If they began checking for sanity the bands would be empty!!! Warmest regards, John Hello, John Heaven help us if they had a sanity test for this group! Talk about empty! :)) Best regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message hlink.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but other lids have jumped right in to fill the gap. I remember his well. In fact I was insulted by him several times on 75 when he slapped me around for having a K8 call.....hi. Didn't a club pick up his call? Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan Yes, it is a club call now. OY jumped on my frequency once on 75 when I was chatting with a station in Ohio. Guess what? The Ohio station was a good cw op and we changed to cw. At first, I tried signing 73 with him at about 20 words per minute. He came back stating cw was fine with him. Inside of 30 seconds we kept asking each other "qrq?" and rapidly cranked up to about 40 words per minute. With the q-multiplier cranked up, I couldn't even hear W2OY. I briefly turned it down to hear him moaning and groaning for us to "take those toys down into the cw band!". LOL. He didn't bither us a bot! 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA And this after the goof jumped on top of your qso, my oh my a two letter suffix LID... hi. Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan Since you have been licensed since 1961, I shouldn't have to point out that there has never been a sanity test for an amateur radio license :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Ur right there Jim...hi....perhaps we need one? Nah.....no one would be allowed on then. Ya gotta be a lil bit crazy to like this radio stuff. Dan/W4NTI |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message ups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI Is there really any need for much technical knowledge to obtain a ham license anymore? Why a need for technical knowlege when setting up and operating a station today is simply plug-an-play? How many hams constuct any equipment they use on the air any more? The most tech knowledge that might be required is maybe how to build and put up and adjust an antenna. Perhaps the test should focus more on rules, regulations and proper operating procedures. The most technical that hams get today is knowing how many frequencies they can store in the radios memory. I am not all that concerned about the "technical knowledge" side of the test. I think basic technical knowledge is all that is really necessary. Like being able to cut a simple dipole, understand the terminology, have a working knowledge in block diagram format, for what is happening inside that radio. And I totally agree that the test should be heavy on rules, regs, and PROPER OPERATING PROCEDURES....like don't talk CB Crap on HF SSB. \ As you say Dan, with the joke they use for testing today, no technical knowledge is required anyway, just memorize the answers to the questions and off you go. So maybe if the tests were geared more to regs and operating procedures, then even with the memoriziation some of it might soak in and maybe there would less cb type operating on the ham bands. We agree it lots here, eh? It is pretty bad when as I heard not long ago on a 2 meter reperter, "I just got my license, can someone tell me what frequencies I can operate?" Cheeese. Or what I heard on the 75meter EKTRA band......I wanna cut a new dipole for 80m phone (First off what is 80 meter phone?)(I always thought it was 75meter phone). Out of the 5 people in the group, one had it right. Amazing. Even wogie wussman passed the test, that in itself speaks volumns about how easy the they are. He should have done real good the second time around...yuk yuk. Dan/W4NTI Hello, again, Dan Yep, 75 is phone, 80 is CW. At least that was the reference back in the days. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA And for all those that are "confused".....here it is; 300/Fmhz = length in meters. thus......300/4.0Mhz = 75meters. 300/3.75Mhz= 80meters. and........300/3.5Mhz = 85.7meters. see? Dan/W4NTI |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: And for all those that are "confused".....here it is; 300/Fmhz = length in meters. thus......300/4.0Mhz = 75meters. 300/3.75Mhz= 80meters. and........300/3.5Mhz = 85.7meters. see? Dan/W4NTI But you should know what the 300 stands for, not it just being a number! I'll bet I'm wrong, being a no code cb'er, but the 300 is the speed of light in meters! to be more percise 299792458 meters per second. |
KC8GXW wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: And for all those that are "confused".....here it is; 300/Fmhz = length in meters. thus......300/4.0Mhz = 75meters. 300/3.75Mhz= 80meters. and........300/3.5Mhz = 85.7meters. see? Dan/W4NTI But you should know what the 300 stands for, not it just being a number! I'll bet I'm wrong, being a no code cb'er, but the 300 is the speed of light in meters! to be more percise 299792458 meters per second. OOps see I told ya, the word is precise, now if only I could do 13 or more words a minute and go back in time and get a W or K 1x3 call, I wouldn't have made that mistake! :) |
Userbeam Remailer wrote:
"Wogie Wussman" "volumns" - Butt Cornholer makes good spells! Get lost wogie, nobody is listening to you, two-test fatboy. |
From: "K4YZ" on Tues 7 Jun 2005 01:56
And once again you prove the REST of us right when we call you a self-serving blight on ALL Veterans. A liar for the ages. What you ARE, is a disgrace to the uniform you wore and a footprint on the graves of men who DID serve their country unselfishly. Scumbag. ...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air, interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair. Temper fry. |
John Smith wrote:
Quit corn-holing young boys, you are worse than a catholic priest with his frock up, or a female school teacher at lunchtime in the back seat of her car!!! I will ask again, are you a ham? |
Quit corn-holing young boys, you are worse than a catholic priest with
his frock up, or a female school teacher at lunchtime in the back seat of her car!!! John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Userbeam Remailer wrote: "Wogie Wussman" "volumns" - Butt Cornholer makes good spells! Get lost wogie, nobody is listening to you, two-test fatboy. |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message ups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI Is there really any need for much technical knowledge to obtain a ham license anymore? Why a need for technical knowlege when setting up and operating a station today is simply plug-an-play? How many hams constuct any equipment they use on the air any more? The most tech knowledge that might be required is maybe how to build and put up and adjust an antenna. Perhaps the test should focus more on rules, regulations and proper operating procedures. The most technical that hams get today is knowing how many frequencies they can store in the radios memory. I am not all that concerned about the "technical knowledge" side of the test. I think basic technical knowledge is all that is really necessary. Like being able to cut a simple dipole, understand the terminology, have a working knowledge in block diagram format, for what is happening inside that radio. And I totally agree that the test should be heavy on rules, regs, and PROPER OPERATING PROCEDURES....like don't talk CB Crap on HF SSB. \ As you say Dan, with the joke they use for testing today, no technical knowledge is required anyway, just memorize the answers to the questions and off you go. So maybe if the tests were geared more to regs and operating procedures, then even with the memoriziation some of it might soak in and maybe there would less cb type operating on the ham bands. We agree it lots here, eh? It is pretty bad when as I heard not long ago on a 2 meter reperter, "I just got my license, can someone tell me what frequencies I can operate?" Cheeese. Or what I heard on the 75meter EKTRA band......I wanna cut a new dipole for 80m phone (First off what is 80 meter phone?)(I always thought it was 75meter phone). Out of the 5 people in the group, one had it right. Amazing. Even wogie wussman passed the test, that in itself speaks volumns about how easy the they are. He should have done real good the second time around...yuk yuk. Dan/W4NTI Hello, again, Dan Yep, 75 is phone, 80 is CW. At least that was the reference back in the days. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA And for all those that are "confused".....here it is; 300/Fmhz = length in meters. thus......300/4.0Mhz = 75meters. 300/3.75Mhz= 80meters. and........300/3.5Mhz = 85.7meters. see? Dan/W4NTI Hello, Dan The numbers are only approximate and some of the "bands" don't fall where you'd expect them to ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"KC8GXW" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: And for all those that are "confused".....here it is; 300/Fmhz = length in meters. thus......300/4.0Mhz = 75meters. 300/3.75Mhz= 80meters. and........300/3.5Mhz = 85.7meters. see? Dan/W4NTI But you should know what the 300 stands for, not it just being a number! I'll bet I'm wrong, being a no code cb'er, but the 300 is the speed of light in meters! to be more percise 299792458 meters per second. Golly, gee whiz, so you would be happier if it is written as: 299792458 / FMhz ? Fine by me Dan/W4NTI |
"KC8GXW" wrote in message ... KC8GXW wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: And for all those that are "confused".....here it is; 300/Fmhz = length in meters. thus......300/4.0Mhz = 75meters. 300/3.75Mhz= 80meters. and........300/3.5Mhz = 85.7meters. see? Dan/W4NTI But you should know what the 300 stands for, not it just being a number! I'll bet I'm wrong, being a no code cb'er, but the 300 is the speed of light in meters! to be more percise 299792458 meters per second. OOps see I told ya, the word is precise, now if only I could do 13 or more words a minute and go back in time and get a W or K 1x3 call, I wouldn't have made that mistake! :) I try and stay on subject and not correct senders typos. That is a job for professors like Churchill that thinks he is a Indian. To comment however.....if you could do 13wpm and had a real W or K callsign we wouldn't be having this discussion...because you would understand how it is. However you don't. Your loss. Dan/W4NTI |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hello, Dan The numbers are only approximate and some of the "bands" don't fall where you'd expect them to ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA So is any formula for antenna workings. You can't have a absolute formula if the results are varied by external elements out of ones control. Such as heigth above ground, nearby objects, length of grass. IQ of operator. etc. Dan/W4NTI |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "KC8GXW" wrote in message ... KC8GXW wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: And for all those that are "confused".....here it is; 300/Fmhz = length in meters. thus......300/4.0Mhz = 75meters. 300/3.75Mhz= 80meters. and........300/3.5Mhz = 85.7meters. see? Dan/W4NTI But you should know what the 300 stands for, not it just being a number! I'll bet I'm wrong, being a no code cb'er, but the 300 is the speed of light in meters! to be more percise 299792458 meters per second. OOps see I told ya, the word is precise, now if only I could do 13 or more words a minute and go back in time and get a W or K 1x3 call, I wouldn't have made that mistake! :) I try and stay on subject and not correct senders typos. That is a job for professors like Churchill that thinks he is a Indian. To comment however.....if you could do 13wpm and had a real W or K callsign we wouldn't be having this discussion...because you would understand how it is. However you don't. Your loss. Dan/W4NTI But I did understand how it works, I don't just know the numbers! |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "KC8GXW" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: And for all those that are "confused".....here it is; 300/Fmhz = length in meters. thus......300/4.0Mhz = 75meters. 300/3.75Mhz= 80meters. and........300/3.5Mhz = 85.7meters. see? Dan/W4NTI But you should know what the 300 stands for, not it just being a number! I'll bet I'm wrong, being a no code cb'er, but the 300 is the speed of light in meters! to be more percise 299792458 meters per second. Golly, gee whiz, so you would be happier if it is written as: 299792458 / FMhz ? Fine by me Dan/W4NTI I would use 300, I just put the correct number in so you'd have something to complain about! :) |
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Dan/W4NTI wrote: "KC8GXW" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: And for all those that are "confused".....here it is; 300/Fmhz = length in meters. thus......300/4.0Mhz = 75meters. 300/3.75Mhz= 80meters. and........300/3.5Mhz = 85.7meters. see? Dan/W4NTI But you should know what the 300 stands for, not it just being a number! I'll bet I'm wrong, being a no code cb'er, but the 300 is the speed of light in meters! to be more percise 299792458 meters per second. Golly, gee whiz, so you would be happier if it is written as: 299792458 / FMhz ? Fine by me Dan/W4NTI Maybe I don't understand. What is "299792458 / FMhz" ? |
Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:
In article Cmd Butt Cornholer wrote: Userbeam Remailer wrote: "Wogie Wussman" "volumns" - Butt Cornholer makes good spells! Get los(whines) Go **** yourself, you incontinent, senile imaginary "pilot's license" boy, nobody wants to see your frequent misspellings, you illiterate son of a bitch. Hi wogie, retaken any ham exams lately? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
A.Melon AKA the fatboy two-test wogie wrote:
Hi, baby raper Butt Cornholer, flew any model airplanes and thought you had a "pilot's license" as well as lying about having a commercial license lately, obsolete license boy? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA! Still got the pilot's certificate wogie boy. Still have the First Class Phone although it is now expired. So what happened to that Second Class ticket you claimed to have? Seems it morphed into a *Restricted* Radio Operator *Permit*, you know, the one that required no testing, just fill out an FCC form. Wahhhh whooooo, musta been real proud of all the work you put into it to get that one, huh wogie? Worked any DX with that *Permit* lately wogie? Caused any malicious interference lately wogie? Riley would probably like to correspond with you again, maybe ask you retake the ham exam again wogie, so you can be a shinning example of just how easy it is to get a ham license. If wogie can do it, then *anyone* can. You know what they say, 'third time's a charm'. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA! By the way, my Commercial Phone ticket was issued on July 13, 1960, Dallas, Texas...Date of Expiration July 13, 1965 at three o'clock A.M. Eastern Standard Time, signed by the following FCC officials...Marion E. Apple, Issuing Officer and Ben F. Waple (Acting) Secretary. Now how about some data on that Second Class you claim wogie? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA! |
Jim Hampton wrote:
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message egroups.com... KC8GXW wrote: But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade. 73 de Jim, N2EY I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give away tech license! :) Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes. 73 de Jim, N2EY I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A give away. And lets not even talk about the CW situation. It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't want to use to to order a pizza. Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time. Dan/W4NTI Is there really any need for much technical knowledge to obtain a ham license anymore? Why a need for technical knowlege when setting up and operating a station today is simply plug-an-play? How many hams constuct any equipment they use on the air any more? The most tech knowledge that might be required is maybe how to build and put up and adjust an antenna. Perhaps the test should focus more on rules, regulations and proper operating procedures. The most technical that hams get today is knowing how many frequencies they can store in the radios memory. I am not all that concerned about the "technical knowledge" side of the test. I think basic technical knowledge is all that is really necessary. Like being able to cut a simple dipole, understand the terminology, have a working knowledge in block diagram format, for what is happening inside that radio. And I totally agree that the test should be heavy on rules, regs, and PROPER OPERATING PROCEDURES....like don't talk CB Crap on HF SSB. \ As you say Dan, with the joke they use for testing today, no technical knowledge is required anyway, just memorize the answers to the questions and off you go. So maybe if the tests were geared more to regs and operating procedures, then even with the memoriziation some of it might soak in and maybe there would less cb type operating on the ham bands. We agree it lots here, eh? It is pretty bad when as I heard not long ago on a 2 meter reperter, "I just got my license, can someone tell me what frequencies I can operate?" Cheeese. Or what I heard on the 75meter EKTRA band......I wanna cut a new dipole for 80m phone (First off what is 80 meter phone?)(I always thought it was 75meter phone). Out of the 5 people in the group, one had it right. Amazing. Even wogie wussman passed the test, that in itself speaks volumns about how easy the they are. He should have done real good the second time around...yuk yuk. Dan/W4NTI Hello, again, Dan Yep, 75 is phone, 80 is CW. At least that was the reference back in the days. I've never been able to figure out why people get their chops busted for referring to "80 meter phone". Shall we set up a sked on 41 meters, 29 meters, 21 meters, 14 meters, 12 meters, (hey that one is right) or the 10.7 to 10.09 meter bands? My ARRL frequency chart doesn't show a 75 meter band either. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote:
I've never been able to figure out why people get their chops busted for referring to "80 meter phone". Because 80 is CW/data and 75 is phone/image. Look at FCC rules 97.301. They actually list 80 and 75 as different bands, like 40 and 20. I'm not making this up. Shall we set up a sked on 41 meters, 29 meters, 21 meters, 14 meters, 12 meters, (hey that one is right) or the 10.7 to 10.09 meter bands? 41 meters is actually SWBC, even though it's the top of "our" 40 meter band ;-) 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Mike Coslo" wrote I've never been able to figure out why people get their chops busted for referring to "80 meter phone". The wavelength of 80 meters translates to a frequency of 3.750 Mhz, which (for right now) just happens to be the precise dividing point between CW/Data and CW/Phone bands. If the phone band-edge drops down to say 3.700, then 80 meters will be a phone frequency. I wonder if WWV will mind if I stroke up my AL-1200 on 15 meters, 20 meters or 30 meters? dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
Bet the freebanders don't know that... else they sure are acting like
they don't... John wrote in message oups.com... Mike Coslo wrote: I've never been able to figure out why people get their chops busted for referring to "80 meter phone". Because 80 is CW/data and 75 is phone/image. Look at FCC rules 97.301. They actually list 80 and 75 as different bands, like 40 and 20. I'm not making this up. Shall we set up a sked on 41 meters, 29 meters, 21 meters, 14 meters, 12 meters, (hey that one is right) or the 10.7 to 10.09 meter bands? 41 meters is actually SWBC, even though it's the top of "our" 40 meter band ;-) 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Mike Coslo wrote:
wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I've never been able to figure out why people get their chops busted for referring to "80 meter phone". Because 80 is CW/data and 75 is phone/image. Look at FCC rules 97.301. They actually list 80 and 75 as different bands, like 40 and 20. I'm not making this up. I don't doubt you. But it seems a little odd to decide that phone is 75 and CW and data is 80. Oddly enough, in the "old days" the frequencies were simply listed - no mention of wavelength at all. Using the old designators, 3500 to 4000 kc. was A1, 3500 to 3800 kc. was F1, 3800 to 4000 kc. was A3, etc. If you are at the bottom of the band you are at 85 meters. Same difference. (actually more, percentage-wise) So why would hams who insist on the precision of 75 phone and 80 CW not also insist on 85 meter CW? Precision has nothing to do with it. They're just simple shorthand names that go way back. Shall we set up a sked on 41 meters, 29 meters, 21 meters, 14 meters, 12 meters, (hey that one is right) or the 10.7 to 10.09 meter bands? 41 meters is actually SWBC, even though it's the top of "our" 40 meter band ;-) I get 42.8 meters at 7.0 MHz, and 41.067 meters at 7.3 MHz. Yeah, were in the mix there.... As the SWBC moves away, things get better on 40. --- OK, here's one to toss around: Right now we have 9 HF/MF bands, plus some spot frequencies in the "60 meter" region. Suppose that at some point we hams had the choice of either: 1) New, very narrow bands elsewhere in the HF/MF spectrum (say, 2.5 to 2.6 MHz, 6.0 to 6.1 MHz, etc.. or 2) Widening of existing bands and/or change to worldwide amateur. Such as 7.0-7.4 becomes worldwide exclusive amateur, 10.1 to 10.2 does the same, 14.0 to 14.4 (which the band used to be), etc. Which would be preferable, if we wound up with the same number of kHz overall? 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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