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June 3rd 05, 12:21 PM

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KC8GXW wrote:

VIPPY! Your're back!

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention
of the word "ham" in the definition.

Oh crap....same old rhetoric...I see you haven't changed!

"Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system.

What "belief systems", Vipul...?!?!

"Belief systems" is a catch-phrase you usurped from Lennie
Anderson. Lennie is NOT a good role model to scam lines from.

Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the
technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas).

(Here we go again....)

Who says so, Vipul...?!?! What organization, rule or entity made
this "rule"...?!?! I've asked you this before and you've never
explained yourself.

They are often older, and male.

So...Shall we implement euthansia and castration if a licensee
dares to get older or have the wrong chromosomes...?!?!

They like to use the terminology.

Uhhhhh...yyyeahhhh...It's called "communication"...In order to
effectively express and exchange ideas there has to be some agreed upon
language and terms relating to the intended topic, Vipul.

Please name me ANY sport, science, avocation, passtime or other
human pursuit that DOESN'T have 'terminology', Vipul.

They like to discuss ham politics.

As opposed to roast beef politics...?!?!

There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list.

Of course not.

Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?

Yes, this is absolutely required to be accepted as a ham.

Who says? Where is this stated? In what FCC rule or ARRL by-law
is it established? Is it in invisible ink on my FCC Form 660?

Is it being accepted by certain other hams?

Hams share certain beliefs and characteristics.

Baptists share certain beliefs and characteristics. So do
dentists. Police, Fire and EMS personnel have their own beliefs. So
do Hindus, NASCAR drivers and cat lovers.

What was YOUR point?

Without acceptance, one cannot be a "true" ham.

Sure you can.

Lennie doesn't accept ANY of us...Does that mean we don't exist?

Once and for all, Vipul...

There is no one person, group, organization, entity or "belief
system" that dictates what makes a "good ham".

Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?

Sorry, I do not know or understand the question.

Did you need it in another language? Seemed pretty straight
forward to me.

As for the class of
licence they hold right now, Morse code is required above the
Technician class. Those in the Technician class can still be hams, as
long as they agree with ham beliefs. One of those beliefs, of course,
is that they will eventually learn Morse code.

You keep saying this but you never explain yourself.

Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?

The license is a "give away" - no disputing that.

Sure there is.

To the best of my knowledge no one is "given" a license. Everyone
is required to take one of several written exams. If they opt to
operate on HF, they must take a Morse Code exam.

And despite the fact that the license IS markedly easier to get
these days, people still manage to fail the exams. Ergo it's NOT a
"giveaway"...

How did you know about the vanity license?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh...read about it?

Maybe it was in some of that "terminology" you seem to think is so
bad...

Steve, K4YZ

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