"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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I was referring to the fact that W/K prefix followed by a number then two
or three letters is considered an old timer callsign.

The fact that the FCC has totally screwed that up is not relevant.

Dan/W4NTI

Nice spin, loser. What you think is not relevant.

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"KC8GXW" wrote in message
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What makes a person a real ham?
Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?

A "Real Ham" is proficient in all forms and modes of communications. One of
the primary purposes of Amateur Radio is to provide a pool of qualified
radio operators in the event of emergency. Thus being able to use Morse
Code at anything but training wheel speed is a big plus.



Is it being accepted by certain other hams?


No, not entirely. But being able to assimilate with minimum friction is a
big help. In otherwords don't show up with a "I know it all attitude" and
have a bit of respect for those that have been there before you.

Would that be the "give away license" that you made reference to in
another post? You do realize that there are still Tech's out there that
took the old Novice and then upgraded to Tech by doing the general theory!

Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?


That does have a bearing on things. Don't come on with the above attitute
holding a Technician ticket for 6 months, and expect to be treating with
respect. Respect is earned me boy.


Can a person climb to Extra with today's test and be considered a real
ham?


No, not really. Must I elaborate on the obvious?

If one does that wonderous dead and then EARNS the respect of those other
hams. A lot of what I said above is bypassed. Respect, Earned those are
the key words here.


Is yodoc aka K3LT a real ham, or the one to determine who is a real ham?


Don't know the man.


Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?


Sure...see above.


Does getting a vanity license that is an older call such as K8*** or
WD8*** make you a real ham?


A WD8? a joke right? Try W or K ...one by two or three, non vanity of
course. Thats an old timer.

But there are too many no code tech's that get a vanity call now adays.

As a matter of fact the FCC once considered the W/K prefix "prefered calls".
And at one time the FCC required you to change your call if you permanetly
moved to another district. And in deference to the W/K....if you had one
they would issue another from the prefered block.

Which is how I got my present call (W4NTI) because I used to have K8BHH.
Course that all went to crap with the alphabet soup system of today.

There's an Extra near here that still has his K8*** call, he was a tech
until the early nineties and upgraded to Extra when it was still 20 wpm.


I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a cb'er
or no coder as the toad says?


No, just a no coder. Unless of course you did pass a 5wpm test. Then you
would be a Technician. Hi hi.

I took the 5wpm when I did my novice.


I'm not being a troll, I would really like to know the answers to this!



Hope that helps a bit.

Dan/W4NTI

"KC8GXW" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"KC8GXW" wrote in message
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What makes a person a real ham?
Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?

A "Real Ham" is proficient in all forms and modes of communications. One
of the primary purposes of Amateur Radio is to provide a pool of
qualified radio operators in the event of emergency. Thus being able to
use Morse Code at anything but training wheel speed is a big plus.



Is it being accepted by certain other hams?


No, not entirely. But being able to assimilate with minimum friction is
a big help. In otherwords don't show up with a "I know it all attitude"
and have a bit of respect for those that have been there before you.

Would that be the "give away license" that you made reference to in
another post? You do realize that there are still Tech's out there that
took the old Novice and then upgraded to Tech by doing the general theory!

Yes it is, and yes I am. So what? The general theory was mainly concerned
with freqs used by Generals and HF stuff. At that time in history the Tech
test was centered around V/Uhf stuff.

Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?


That does have a bearing on things. Don't come on with the above
attitute holding a Technician ticket for 6 months, and expect to be
treating with respect. Respect is earned me boy.


Can a person climb to Extra with today's test and be considered a real
ham?


No, not really. Must I elaborate on the obvious?

If one does that wonderous dead and then EARNS the respect of those other
hams. A lot of what I said above is bypassed. Respect, Earned those
are the key words here.


Is yodoc aka K3LT a real ham, or the one to determine who is a real ham?


Don't know the man.


Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?


Sure...see above.


Does getting a vanity license that is an older call such as K8*** or
WD8*** make you a real ham?


A WD8? a joke right? Try W or K ...one by two or three, non vanity of
course. Thats an old timer.

But there are too many no code tech's that get a vanity call now adays.

Which totally sucks. The FCC at ONE TIME wanted distintive callsigns for
class of license. Now it is too much work to bother with. What a joke they
are.


As a matter of fact the FCC once considered the W/K prefix "prefered
calls". And at one time the FCC required you to change your call if you
permanetly moved to another district. And in deference to the W/K....if
you had one they would issue another from the prefered block.

Which is how I got my present call (W4NTI) because I used to have K8BHH.
Course that all went to crap with the alphabet soup system of today.

There's an Extra near here that still has his K8*** call, he was a tech
until the early nineties and upgraded to Extra when it was still 20 wpm.

So what? having a old K8 means he has a original issue K8 call. You don't
seem to comprehend that what was this and what is now ain't no where near
the same. All there was back then was W and K calls, followed by WA, WB,
WD, then a re-issue for a while, then the alphabet soup we have today.



I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a cb'er
or no coder as the toad says?


No, just a no coder. Unless of course you did pass a 5wpm test. Then
you would be a Technician. Hi hi.

I took the 5wpm when I did my novice.

Congrats....so did I. Then I jumped over the Tech and took my General at
13wpm, then my Advanced then my Extra at 20wpm. Your point is?



I'm not being a troll, I would really like to know the answers to this!



Hope that helps a bit.

Dan/W4NTI



Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
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Yes it is, and yes I am. So what? The general theory was mainly
concerned
with freqs used by Generals and HF stuff. At that time in history the
Tech
test was centered around V/Uhf stuff.

So that would also make most of the generals in the last 15 years also a
give away license? Seeing as the only difference was 13wpm.

snip

No, just a no coder. Unless of course you did pass a 5wpm test. Then
you would be a Technician. Hi hi.

I took the 5wpm when I did my novice.


Congrats....so did I. Then I jumped over the Tech and took my General at
13wpm, then my Advanced then my Extra at 20wpm. Your point is?

Dan/W4NTI


My point was in answer to your statement!

"KC8GXW" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
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Yes it is, and yes I am. So what? The general theory was mainly
concerned
with freqs used by Generals and HF stuff. At that time in history the
Tech
test was centered around V/Uhf stuff.

So that would also make most of the generals in the last 15 years also a
give away license? Seeing as the only difference was 13wpm.


No it wouldn't. It takes a large amount of time and effort to achieve 13
wpm.
That certainly does not qualify as a give away.

snip

No, just a no coder. Unless of course you did pass a 5wpm test. Then
you would be a Technician. Hi hi.

I took the 5wpm when I did my novice.


Congrats....so did I. Then I jumped over the Tech and took my General at
13wpm, then my Advanced then my Extra at 20wpm. Your point is?

Dan/W4NTI
My point was in answer to your statement!

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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"KC8GXW" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"KC8GXW" wrote in message
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But there are too many no code tech's that get a vanity call now adays.

Which totally sucks. The FCC at ONE TIME wanted distintive callsigns for
class of license. Now it is too much work to bother with. What a joke
they are.


They are still limited to getting a call that is limited by their license
class. Technicians were assigned 1x3 calls until the sequentially available
1x3 calls ran out. That some now choose to get a 1x3 vanity only means that
they are getting a call that they are entitled to by license class.


As a matter of fact the FCC once considered the W/K prefix "prefered
calls". And at one time the FCC required you to change your call if you
permanetly moved to another district. And in deference to the W/K....if
you had one they would issue another from the prefered block.

Which is how I got my present call (W4NTI) because I used to have K8BHH.
Course that all went to crap with the alphabet soup system of today.

There's an Extra near here that still has his K8*** call, he was a tech
until the early nineties and upgraded to Extra when it was still 20 wpm.

So what? having a old K8 means he has a original issue K8 call. You
don't seem to comprehend that what was this and what is now ain't no where
near the same. All there was back then was W and K calls, followed by
WA, WB, WD, then a re-issue for a while, then the alphabet soup we have
today.


The FCC could have issued N calls back then if they had wanted to. The
block was assigned to the US.

There's no "alphabet soup" crap today. The call sign eligibility is the
same as it has been since they initiated the 5 level license class decades
ago. We have the same call sign eligibility today as then. The problem is
that a lot of call signs have been "used" and so they went to the next
available block. Ws were used first, then Ks, and then Ns and then As.

Today no call district has 1x3s available for sequential issue (except
perhaps for some of the special territories). In addition 1x2s and 2x1s are
no long available for sequential issue. Why? They have all been issued.
The only available ones are those that have been returned to the pool by
lack of renewal by the licensee for whatever reason. It will not be long
now before the last block of Extra class call signs (2x2 beginning with AA -
AL) is used up in the sequential system. The only reason it hasn't is that
a lot of people are keeping their old call signs instead of getting new ones
when they upgrade.

If someone comes into a license session today with no license and passes the
code, Tech written and General written all in one sitting, he/she will
receive a 2x3 call. Yes even a General will receive a 2x3 if it is a new
issue. To get a call "reflecting his class", means that the new General has
to search for vacated calls and find one available and get it as a vanity.

I kept my original call sign when I upgraded to advanced and then extra as
there were no 1x2s left in my call district. I didn't like the 2x1s or the
2x2s.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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"KC8GXW" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"KC8GXW" wrote in message
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[snip]


But there are too many no code tech's that get a vanity call now adays.

Which totally sucks. The FCC at ONE TIME wanted distintive callsigns
for
class of license. Now it is too much work to bother with. What a joke
they are.


They are still limited to getting a call that is limited by their license
class. Technicians were assigned 1x3 calls until the sequentially
available
1x3 calls ran out. That some now choose to get a 1x3 vanity only means
that
they are getting a call that they are entitled to by license class.


As a matter of fact the FCC once considered the W/K prefix "prefered
calls". And at one time the FCC required you to change your call if
you
permanetly moved to another district. And in deference to the
W/K....if
you had one they would issue another from the prefered block.

Which is how I got my present call (W4NTI) because I used to have
K8BHH.
Course that all went to crap with the alphabet soup system of today.

There's an Extra near here that still has his K8*** call, he was a tech
until the early nineties and upgraded to Extra when it was still 20
wpm.

So what? having a old K8 means he has a original issue K8 call. You
don't seem to comprehend that what was this and what is now ain't no
where
near the same. All there was back then was W and K calls, followed by
WA, WB, WD, then a re-issue for a while, then the alphabet soup we
have
today.


The FCC could have issued N calls back then if they had wanted to. The
block was assigned to the US.

There's no "alphabet soup" crap today. The call sign eligibility is the
same as it has been since they initiated the 5 level license class decades
ago. We have the same call sign eligibility today as then. The problem
is
that a lot of call signs have been "used" and so they went to the next
available block. Ws were used first, then Ks, and then Ns and then As.

Today no call district has 1x3s available for sequential issue (except
perhaps for some of the special territories). In addition 1x2s and 2x1s
are
no long available for sequential issue. Why? They have all been issued.
The only available ones are those that have been returned to the pool by
lack of renewal by the licensee for whatever reason. It will not be long
now before the last block of Extra class call signs (2x2 beginning with
AA -
AL) is used up in the sequential system. The only reason it hasn't is
that
a lot of people are keeping their old call signs instead of getting new
ones
when they upgrade.

If someone comes into a license session today with no license and passes
the
code, Tech written and General written all in one sitting, he/she will
receive a 2x3 call. Yes even a General will receive a 2x3 if it is a new
issue. To get a call "reflecting his class", means that the new General
has
to search for vacated calls and find one available and get it as a vanity.

I kept my original call sign when I upgraded to advanced and then extra as
there were no 1x2s left in my call district. I didn't like the 2x1s or
the
2x2s.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Hello, Dee

I agree; I don't care for the 2X1s nor the 2X2s. That said, I wasn't going
to pay money to get the WB2 call back and the N2JH was taken via the vanity
system. There was a brief period when extras were allowed to select a call
in the N series and I took that after leaving Pennsylvania as WA3RJX.

My point continues to be that you can only make assumptions on the WA and WB
prefixes. New calls will likely be a 2X3, but after WA and WB. No one
would pay for them and they are likely all licensed over 40 years.

Which came first, WA2SEY or W2AV? Well, WA2SEY took advantage of the vanity
system and is now W2AV. So that one is a push, except that WA2SEY has been
vacated.

Dontcha just love the alphabet soup? Perhaps we could all get a w, k, n, or
a prefix depending upon class licensed followed by the numbers indicating
the first license issue date, followed by three letters. Since I doubt
enough folks would get their license on the same day in the same radio
district to overflow the last 3 letters, it would leave room for vanity by
choosing your initials.

I can see it now - de W050262JRH K

LOL.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a cb'er
or no coder as the toad says?

Study the extra written test, bring your oldest license, and
(if you pass it) get your extra. Then you'd be the same
as me.

As for being a "real" ham, do one or more of the following:
Elmering, contesting, building equipment and experimenting,
public service, and such. And NOT QRMing, repeater kerchunking
excessively, ignoring accepted formal or informal band plans,
tuning up on top of other QSOs, bad language, and such.

robert casey wrote:

I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a
cb'er or no coder as the toad says?


Study the extra written test, bring your oldest license, and
(if you pass it) get your extra. Then you'd be the same
as me.

As for being a "real" ham, do one or more of the following:
Elmering, contesting, building equipment and experimenting,
public service, and such. And NOT QRMing, repeater kerchunking
excessively, ignoring accepted formal or informal band plans,
tuning up on top of other QSOs, bad language, and such.

Best answer yet, Robert!

- Mike KB3EIA -

robert:

You just described a "decent human being", been so long since I seen
one--I forgot what they look like--thanks for reminding me...

Warmest regards,
John

"robert casey" wrote in message
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I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a
cb'er or no coder as the toad says?

Study the extra written test, bring your oldest license, and
(if you pass it) get your extra. Then you'd be the same
as me.

As for being a "real" ham, do one or more of the following:
Elmering, contesting, building equipment and experimenting,
public service, and such. And NOT QRMing, repeater kerchunking
excessively, ignoring accepted formal or informal band plans,
tuning up on top of other QSOs, bad language, and such.