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June 4th 05, 07:13 PM
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K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: KC8GXW wrote: VIPPY! Your're back! Hello Vipul. The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention of the word "ham" in the definition. Oh crap....same old rhetoric...I see you haven't changed! He see's that you haven't either. How do you know? Mental telepathy? (Or are you just "mental", which is more likely) Backchannel. "Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system. What "belief systems", Vipul...?!?! "Belief systems" is a catch-phrase you usurped from Lennie Anderson. Lennie is NOT a good role model to scam lines from. People don't have belief systems? Sure they do. But your mentor uses the term "belief system" as if it were dirty. I see no evidence of that. He has "belief systems" too, but they don't seem to include honesty, trustworthiness or strength of character. Some people who claim to have all of the above are creeps. "Lessee....430." Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas). (Here we go again....) (There YOU go again...) Who says so, Vipul...?!?! What organization, rule or entity made this "rule"...?!?! I've asked you this before and you've never explained yourself. Yet I see no mention of a "rule." Whatever are you talking about, Steve? Gee, Brain...You got the point but didn't even knoiw it... There's no "rule"...Yet Vippy seems to think there is. Good for you. I see no evidence that Vipul thinks there's a rule. I only see evidence of you thinking there is. They are often older, and male. So...Shall we implement euthansia and castration if a licensee dares to get older or have the wrong chromosomes...?!?! Shall you? Care to be number 1? I can help you either way you care to go... Is that a threat? They like to use the terminology. Uhhhhh...yyyeahhhh...It's called "communication"...In order to effectively express and exchange ideas there has to be some agreed upon language and terms relating to the intended topic, Vipul. QSL. Please name me ANY sport, science, avocation, passtime or other human pursuit that DOESN'T have 'terminology', Vipul. So amateurs have terminology and -don't- like to use it? Are you agreeing with Vipul or disagreeing with Vipul??? I am humiliating Vipul. You da man! HE seems to think that there's some black undertones to Amateurs using subject-specific terminology. Amateurs are encouraged to use plain language in every emergency management manual or training course that I've ever seen. Maybe Vipul is on to something. Maybe you're not. I have pointed out to him, repeatedly, that there is NO human endeavor that doesn't ahve it's own "lingo". Sleeping? They like to discuss ham politics. As opposed to roast beef politics...?!?! Chicken politics. Squawk, squawk. Like saying "Lessee....430" without explanation. No expalnation is necessary. More "lingo?" Quit using big words that you don't know what they mean. Just like no explanation for illegal operating from Somalia. Or for what "major role" unlicensed devices play in "emergency comms". And don't forget those overblown ARES folks who won't respond to a callout... Still waiting on those, Brain... More dodges. Creep. There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list. Of course not. Of course. Is it doing more then 5 wpm code? Yes, this is absolutely required to be accepted as a ham. Who says? Where is this stated? In what FCC rule or ARRL by-law is it established? Is it in invisible ink on my FCC Form 660? I disagree with Vipul on this one. Five WPM wasn't enough to be accepted as a full ham by many practioners of the ancient art. "Many"...?!?! I would interpret "many" as to be a significant percentage. What's YOUR call, Brain? 10%? 35%? 50%..?!?! From what demographic do you get your data? Why did you drop "Lessee....430" in one of your posting right before the Dayton Hamvention? Were you planning on stopping by my home while you were travelling in Ohio? Is it being accepted by certain other hams? Hams share certain beliefs and characteristics. Baptists share certain beliefs and characteristics. So do dentists. Police, Fire and EMS personnel have their own beliefs. So do Hindus, NASCAR drivers and cat lovers. What belief system do you share? Hmmmmm? Which one? Steve, right? I am basically conservative in my politics. I am a former Paramedic and and presently an ACLS Nurse. I am a licensed aviator. Not to mention a 30+ year licensed Amateur. Paramedic and Nurse is a belief system? Aviation is a belief system? What was YOUR point? What was your point in saying, "Lessee....430?" What was your point in "Somalia", "unlicensed devices", "ARES", etc etc etc? Why can't you answer a question about you dropping my house number into one of your posts prior to the Dayton Hamvention? Without acceptance, one cannot be a "true" ham. Sure you can. I agree with Steve on this one. You just have to ignore the knuckle-heads that would put you down for not attaining ever higher Morse Code speeds. Then I can assume you now publically acknowledge that I have stated, now and in the past, that being a 20+WPM code deamon is not a prerequisite to being a good Amateur? I publically acknowledge that Steven J Robeson, 20WPM Extra is not a good Amateur. Lennie doesn't accept ANY of us... Not true. He doesn't. He talks nice to you because of your public expression of "admration" fro him in the face of copious evidence that he's a chronic liar. You're a chronic liar. Does that mean we don't exist? You exist in a negative way. No more or less than you, Brain. We'll just have to disagree on that one. Once and for all, Vipul... There is no one person, group, organization, entity or "belief system" that dictates what makes a "good ham". Not according to Larry, Dick, or Kelly. Oh? Where? I've enver seen one of them state that one and only one person, group organization, entity or belief system is the only true one. Quotes, please. Dick quit being a VE because he didn't """believe""" that the new people were worthy of his time. Larry is on record numerous times telling everyone who tripped over his postings that he was better than everyone else. Kelly, well, he Kelly. Unfortunately, if only more amateur on here would come forward and condemn those who exhibit the characteristics of a "bad ham," such as yourself... But what transpires in here is NOT "Amateur Radio". An amateur is balanced. You can discuss my on-air operating with K0HB, K8MN and N2EY if you care to. N0IMD is not in my log, on ANY mode. And you are not in any of my logs. Not in my KA0ZFY, N0iMD, HL9ACT, N0iMD/KH2, N0iMD/9, N0iMD/T5, N0iMD/9 logs. Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of license they hold now? Sorry, I do not know or understand the question. Did you need it in another language? Seemed pretty straight forward to me. Bruce has his Extra. Seems like most of the trouble-makers are Extras. Every bag of potatoes has one spoiled in it. At least. Bruce is Amateur Radio's spoiled potatoe. Hi! You'll please note that no one here with an Extra, other than Bruce, LIKES Bruce. I don't care who likes whom. I merely stated that most of the trouble-makers are Extra licensed amateurs, and I stand by my statement. As for the class of licence they hold right now, Morse code is required above the Technician class. Those in the Technician class can still be hams, as long as they agree with ham beliefs. One of those beliefs, of course, is that they will eventually learn Morse code. You keep saying this but you never explain yourself. The have to profess the faith, and frequently claim that they are "studying the Morse Code." Who are "the", Brain? (I know you meant "they")...??? Those who feel they have to agree with ham beliefs, or at least play lip service to it or else feel the scorn of the hard-boiled hams. Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away license" ever be considered a real ham? The license is a "give away" - no disputing that. Sure there is. Todays entry level license exam contains far more breadth and depth of radio communications knowledge than any entry level license in the history of amateur radio. Yep. Since 1991. Lennie's never availed himself of it. Nor have most Americans, even those who are highly skilled in radio communications and engineering. To the best of my knowledge no one is "given" a license. Everyone is required to take one of several written exams. If they opt to operate on HF, they must take a Morse Code exam. Captain Obvious. Obviously not. Jim (GXW) called it a "give away" and Vipul agreed. I agree that it's almost childishly simple to get, however folks still manage to fail it at a regular basis. It's still not a "give away". Agreed. And despite the fact that the license IS markedly easier to get these days, people still manage to fail the exams. Ergo it's NOT a "giveaway"... Far more difficult... How did you know about the vanity license? Uhhhhhhhhhhhh...read about it? K4CAP...? And K4YZ. And I read about the program, just like I suggest above. Your point? You did more than read about it. Maybe it was in some of that "terminology" you seem to think is so bad... Steve, K4YZ Terminology like, "Lessee....430?" Like "unlicensed devices", "overblown ARES", etc etc etc... No. Very much unlike those. Exactly like my house number. Steve, K4YZ I just can't understand why you would post my house number prior to the Dayton Hamvention unless you planned on stopping by while you were in Ohio. Were you planning on stopping by? Didn't you have something to "teach" me? |
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