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June 14th 05, 10:39 PM

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From: "Dee Flint" on Sun 12 Jun 2005 18:10

"bb" wrote in message
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Has the code exam been dropped yet? Might as well be all black or all
white because at the end of the day there are still people who support
the wall.

There is no wall but what people create in their own minds.

There is no wall the deaf cannot hear through.

Deaf people have passed the code test.

There is no wall that the blind cannot see through.

Blind people have passed the code test.

There is no wall that the paraplegic cannot walk through.

Paraplegic people have passed the code test.

There is no wall that bars the physical being from doing
anything they dream of...

...in their DREAMS.

All purposeful action starts with an idea - a dream, as it were.
First the idea, then the actions to make the idea become
a reality.

The person who will not allow him/herself to believe they can do
something is already defeated.

---

The current Morse Code test in the USA requires the correct
recognition of 25 consecutive Morse Code symbols, or correct
answers to 7 out of 10 fill-in-the-blank questions based on
5 minutes of Morse Code text. The entire text used for the
test consists of no more than 125 Morse Code symbols
transmitted in no less than 5 minutes.

This test has been compared to learning to recognize 41 words
of a foreign language, which is a fair analogy.

It seems incredible that such a simple test of such a basic
radio communication skill would be the cause of so much
controversy and acrimony from those opposed to it.

June 15th 05, 01:41 AM

From: on Tues 14 Jun 2005 14:39

wrote:
From: "Dee Flint" on Sun 12 Jun 2005 18:10

"bb" wrote in message
roups.com...

Has the code exam been dropped yet? Might as well be all black or all
white because at the end of the day there are still people who support
the wall.

All purposeful action starts with an idea - a dream, as it were.
First the idea, then the actions to make the idea become
a reality.

Sort of like showing one's REAL patriotism by volunteering for
milirary service?

The FCC is NOT a regulator of "dreams." All it does is mitigate
interference in the civil side of the EM spectrum by U.S.
citizens.

The FCC is NOT any "moral arbiter" of anything but its own
regulations and rulings in regards to U.S. law.

The person who will not allow him/herself to believe they can do
something is already defeated.

tries to sound like a Reverend on morse code,
preaching from some ivy-covered pulpit. [pulpit fiction
but without a Travolta] Is this a prelude to (roll drums)

...A Sermon On The Antenna Mount?

Can become an artist-illustrator, traveling from
place to place, painting portraits? Sam Morse did that. Sam
and his financial backer Al Vail invented morse code. ART
with minor success at it in any media REQUIRES a built-in
aptitutde for that (or an excellent PR/gallery person to sell
"great art").

I started out WORKING as an artist-illustrator because I did
have the built-in talent/aptitude for that. Not only that, my
completed works were BETTER in any media than Sam Morse's.

That reply has very little to do with "moral imperatives" or
the FCC or with other than totally refute the
specious (and irrelevant) supposition that a government agency
is a moral/motivational arbiter of what some do as a HOBBY.

---

The current Morse Code test in the USA requires the correct
recognition of 25 consecutive Morse Code symbols, or correct
answers to 7 out of 10 fill-in-the-blank questions based on
5 minutes of Morse Code text. The entire text used for the
test consists of no more than 125 Morse Code symbols
transmitted in no less than 5 minutes.

Duhhhhh...

This test has been compared to learning to recognize 41 words
of a foreign language, which is a fair analogy.

Ridiculous, specious "comparison."

Morse code is simply the arhythmic monotonic tone patterns to
represent the letters, numbers, and some punctuation in the
ENGLISH LANGUAGE. It was never intended to be anything else.

I already KNOW, have used, all without ANY license or "test,"
MORE than 41 words in each of three foreign languages. Your
"comparison" is preposterous.

It seems incredible that such a simple test of such a basic
radio communication skill would be the cause of so much
controversy and acrimony from those opposed to it.

Oh, my, incredulosity puzzles , possibly because of
his incredible stubborn attitude of maintaining the OLD STANDARDS
forever and ever...and his unmitigated gall and arrogance by
insisting that some long-ago morse test passing SHALL be passed
by newcomers. Forever.

The FCC uses "licensing" as a means of EM spectrum mitigation,
NOT to "control the moral/ethical behavior of hobbyist hams."

The FCC is NOT an academic institution whose "tests" are any
sort of equivalent to academic skill/knowledge "qualification."

That Test Element 1 remains IN the amateur radio regulations is
due primarily to the incredible acrimony of those olde-tyme
hammes who cannot bear to lose the one link to their personal
"fame" that set them "up above their fellows" (as hobbyists).

Now, , study hard, devote yourself to the Morse art
of painting, but you won't be in anything but small-bore in
the caliber of Morse art. APTITUDE lack cannot be overcome by
DREAMS.

June 16th 05, 12:37 PM

wrote:
From: on Tues 14 Jun 2005 14:39

wrote:
From: "Dee Flint" on Sun 12 Jun 2005 18:10

"bb" wrote in message
roups.com...

Has the code exam been dropped yet? Might as well be all black or all
white because at the end of the day there are still people who support
the wall.

All purposeful action starts with an idea - a dream, as it were.
First the idea, then the actions to make the idea become
a reality.

Sort of like showing one's REAL patriotism by volunteering for
milirary service?

Milirary service is not a requirement nor a qualfication for an
FCC-issued amateur radio license.

Military service is not a requirement nor a qualfication for an
FCC-issued amateur radio license.

The FCC is NOT a regulator of "dreams." All it does is
mitigate
interference in the civil side of the EM spectrum by U.S.
citizens.

There's much more to the regulation of radio than interference
mitigation.

The FCC is NOT any "moral arbiter" of anything but its own
regulations and rulings in regards to U.S. law.

That claim is incorrect. The FCC determines "moral", "character"
and "content" standards in all the radio services it regulates.

The person who will not allow him/herself to believe they can do something is already defeated.

tries to sound like a Reverend on morse code,
preaching from some ivy-covered pulpit. [pulpit fiction
but without a Travolta] Is this a prelude to (roll drums)

...A Sermon On The Antenna Mount?

Can become an artist-illustrator, traveling from
place to place, painting portraits?

Artistic ability is not a requirement nor a qualfication for an
FCC-issued amateur radio license.

Sam Morse did that. Sam
and his financial backer Al Vail invented morse code. ART
with minor success at it in any media REQUIRES a built-in
aptitutde for that (or an excellent PR/gallery person to sell
"great art").

Artistic ability is not a requirement nor a qualfication for an
FCC-issued amateur radio license.

The level of skill in Morse Code required to pass Element 1
is about equal to the artistic skill required to do simple
pencil drawings, not "great art".

I started out WORKING as an artist-illustrator because I did
have the built-in talent/aptitude for that.

But you did not succeed at it, did you? You left that career at
an early stage.

Could *you* become an artist-illustrator, traveling from place to
place, painting portraits?

Not only that, my
completed works were BETTER in any media than Sam Morse's.

Yet he made a living at it, and you could not. Besides, you are
hardly an independent judge of whose work is "better"...

That reply has very little to do with "moral imperatives" or
the FCC or with other than totally refute the
specious (and irrelevant) supposition that a government
agency
is a moral/motivational arbiter of what some do as a HOBBY.

You're presuming your conclusion.

---

The current Morse Code test in the USA requires the correct
recognition of 25 consecutive Morse Code symbols, or correct
answers to 7 out of 10 fill-in-the-blank questions based on
5 minutes of Morse Code text. The entire text used for the
test consists of no more than 125 Morse Code symbols
transmitted in no less than 5 minutes.

Duhhhhh...

Is that your professional response?

This test has been compared to learning to recognize 41 words
of a foreign language, which is a fair analogy.

Ridiculous, specious "comparison."

Not at all. If anything, learning to recognize 41 words of a foreign
language requires more learning (depends on the language).

Morse code is simply the arhythmic monotonic tone patterns to
represent the letters, numbers, and some punctuation in the
ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

And many other languages - there are code characters for letters and
punctuation not used in English. But to pass Element 1, the code
characters used are the 26 letters A to Z, the ten numerals 0 through
9, and five punctuation symbols. No umlauts, breves, accent marks, etc.

It was never intended to be anything else.

That claim is incorrect. Morse Code characters for letters and
punctuation not used in English exist. They're just not part of the
Element 1 test.

I already KNOW, have used, all without ANY license or "test,"
MORE than 41 words in each of three foreign languages.

So it should be easy for you to learn Morse Code - if you want to. You
don't want to.

Your "comparison" is preposterous.

Not at all! There's no real difference between learning that "benjo"
means "bathroom" and learning that a sound similar to "dahdididit"
means the letter "B".

It seems incredible that such a simple test of such a basic
radio communication skill would be the cause of so much
controversy and acrimony from those opposed to it.

Oh, my, incredulosity puzzles , possibly because of
his incredible stubborn attitude of maintaining the OLD
STANDARDS
forever and ever...and his unmitigated gall and arrogance by
insisting that some long-ago morse test passing SHALL be
passed by newcomers. Forever.

Let's see:

"incredible stubborn attitude"
"OLD STANDARDS"
"unmitigated gall and arrogance"

Yep - acrimony on your part, Len. Not mine.

The FCC uses "licensing" as a means of EM spectrum
mitigation,
NOT to "control the moral/ethical behavior of hobbyist hams."

That claim is incorrect. There's much more to radio regulation than "EM
spectrum mitigation" - whatever that phrase is supposed to mean.

For example, a few amateurs convicted of felonies have lost their
amateur radio licenses even though they were never accused or
convicted of any violations of FCC rules for the amateur radio service.

The content of amateur radio transmissions is regulated by FCC
rules. For example, amateurs cannot transmit music except in
certain specific circumstances.

The FCC is NOT an academic institution whose "tests" are any
sort of equivalent to academic
skill/knowledge "qualification."

That Test Element 1 remains IN the amateur radio regulations is
due primarily to the incredible acrimony of those olde-tyme
hammes who cannot bear to lose the one link to their personal
"fame" that set them "up above their fellows" (as hobbyists).

That claim is incorrect.

Element 1 remains a requirement because FCC has not yet decided to
remove it. Previous to July, 2003, the provisions of ITU-R treaty
section S25.5 required some form of Morse Code testing, and FCC
cited that treaty requirement as its basis for Element 1.

Although that treaty requirement was removed almost 2 years ago,
FCC has not changed the rules - yet. "Incredible acrimony" does not
cause FCC to change its rules, nor to keep them as they are.

Now, , study hard, devote yourself to the Morse art
of painting, but you won't be in anything but small-bore in
the caliber of Morse art.

How do you know what my painting abilities are, Len? They could be much
better than yours...

APTITUDE lack cannot be overcome by DREAMS.

Aptitude alone accomplishes nothing. Those who succeed are often
not those of the greatest aptitude or talent, but those who simply
tried, and exerted the necessary effort.

I think you are really bothered by the "Great Equalizer" effect of
learning the Morse Code, Len.

Perhaps you were/are one of those folks for whom most things you
try come easily, with little effort. The kind of student who can
read the book once and get an A on the test - in some subjects, anyway.
Big fish in a small pond.

Some people who have that sort of aptitude also become good at
avoiding things they don't learn easily. You seem to be that
way, Len.

It seems that when you are confronted by something that you don't learn
easily, you get angry, frustrated, and abusive. You don't want to
accept that others may be better at something than you are, so you
attack the something as meaningless or useless. And
you attack those who are good at the something you find difficult,
rather than exerting a bit more effort.

June 16th 05, 11:23 PM

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wrote:
From: on Tues 14 Jun 2005 14:39

wrote:
From: "Dee Flint" on Sun 12 Jun 2005 18:10

"bb" wrote in message
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[snip]

The level of skill in Morse Code required to pass Element 1
is about equal to the artistic skill required to do simple
pencil drawings, not "great art".

Actually about equal to drawing the stick figures that children create.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

June 17th 05, 01:59 AM

Dee Flint wrote:
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From: on Tues 14 Jun 2005 14:39

wrote:

From: "Dee Flint" on Sun 12 Jun 2005 18:10

"bb" wrote in message
oglegroups.com...

[snip]

The level of skill in Morse Code required to pass Element 1
is about equal to the artistic skill required to do simple
pencil drawings, not "great art".

Actually about equal to drawing the stick figures that children create.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Funny, I can make proficient art, but I had a lot more trouble learning
Morse! ;^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

June 18th 05, 01:14 AM

wrote:
From: on Tues 14 Jun 2005 14:39

wrote:

From: "Dee Flint" on Sun 12 Jun 2005 18:10

"bb" wrote in message
legroups.com...

Has the code exam been dropped yet? Might as well be all black or all
white because at the end of the day there are still people who support
the wall.

All purposeful action starts with an idea - a dream, as it were.
First the idea, then the actions to make the idea become
a reality.

Sort of like showing one's REAL patriotism by volunteering for
milirary service?

Let's see if we have your thinking down, Leonard. Someone who doesn't
volunteer for military service, especially in time of peace, isn't a
patriot? Is that what you're saying?

The person who will not allow him/herself to believe they can do
something is already defeated.

tries to sound like a Reverend on morse code,
preaching from some ivy-covered pulpit. [pulpit fiction
but without a Travolta] Is this a prelude to (roll drums)

...A Sermon On The Antenna Mount?

Can become an artist-illustrator, traveling from
place to place, painting portraits? Sam Morse did that. Sam
and his financial backer Al Vail invented morse code. ART
with minor success at it in any media REQUIRES a built-in
aptitutde for that (or an excellent PR/gallery person to sell
"great art").

Aptitutde, dutde?

I started out WORKING as an artist-illustrator because I did
have the built-in talent/aptitude for that. Not only that, my
completed works were BETTER in any media than Sam Morse's.

If you DO say so yourself...

That Test Element 1 remains IN the amateur radio regulations is
due primarily to the incredible acrimony of those olde-tyme
hammes who cannot bear to lose the one link to their personal
"fame" that set them "up above their fellows" (as hobbyists).

You have incredible acrimony over the issue of morse testing, yet the
test remains. Go figure.

Dave K8MN

June 15th 05, 02:10 AM

wrote:

The current Morse Code test in the USA requires the correct
recognition of 25 consecutive Morse Code symbols, or correct
answers to 7 out of 10 fill-in-the-blank questions based on
5 minutes of Morse Code text.

Please cite the USA definition of Morse Code. Thank you.

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