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Mike Coslo wrote: snippage Way too many people seem to think that you plunk down the money, and you are an instant contester. Way too many people? I didn't think contestors were that numerous. We have many hundreds every QSO party. And since much less than half submit logs, the total participation is much higher. Some people are just in the thing for fun. And no, I don't know why they don't. In similar fashion, cost is relative. A $5000 station is small change to some and beyond others' wildest dreams. Same for many other spending levels. Just a few years back, having a dedicated computer in the shack was a major expense. Not any more! I believe there are two general groups of contesters: 1. People who like the head-to-head competition on a personal level and are not motivated by having large amounts of expensive hardware. These people focus on operating skill, knowledge and strategy instead of equipment. -and- 2. People who will do anything legal to maximize their score, including spending huge amounts of money on rigs, antennas and any other hardware which gives them an advantage. I disagree strongly! I think there are many more basic groups, from the casual types just putting in a few hours and maybe picking up a new state or country, to the all-out multi-multis, to the middle-of-the- pack folks, to the special-interest ones (like the QRP types with incredible antenna farms). On top of this is the fact that the superstations require operating skill, knowledge and strategy just like the 100 W and dipole folks. Both groups have good points and neither is superior to the other. Agreed! In fact the superstations need the little guys in order to make super scores. And the little guys need the superstations. What is wrong with contesting today is both groups are combined into one when it comes to competing, and that is hurting contesting. Well, there's division by power level, by multiop vs. single, and packet spotting. I propose that there be two basic classes of competition: 1. A Limited Class which clearly spells out maximum hardware, i.e. one radio, one antenna per band, no receiving while transmitting, and perhaps some others, -and- 2. An Unlimited Class which allows anything legal. Within those two classes there could be subclasses for power level and number of operators, but the basic hardware definitions would remain the same. This would allow an operator to choose his class and know he is competing against others who are equipped similarly. The trouble is where the lines are drawn. What does "one radio" mean? Is a second receiver allowed? How about if the second receiver is built into the rig? One antenna per band could work a hardship on even some modest stations. At my previous location I had an inverted V for 80/40 that could be made to work on 20. Also had a 20 meter vertical with elevated radials. 100 W homebrew transceiver. Hardly a superstation but I did pretty well. On 20 the vertical was usually better, but sometimes the inverted V would do the trick. "One antenna per band" would eliminate that. The whole concept is way way way to complicated. Also unenforceable. Will the contest committee send out Hamcops to ensure compliance? Who enforces the present rules? Power level, packet spotting, etc.? Good question. The answer is it is a gentleman's agreement, and you trust the person to abide by the rules. So you make the rules as rock-bottom simple as possible. Rules like no receiving while transmitting, are simply not enforceable. Ideas such as monoband antennas are going to knock a lot of people right out of the contest - unless of course they decide to cheat, as is the one receiver idea. But, but, but... If the ARRL DX desk don't approve it ain't ham radio. They approved the Frenchmen's excursion outside of France's 6M band!!! Cmon Brian. I don't have an idae of how that is germane to this topic. I mean all topics drift and such, but this seemed to be a good one without your feud with Dave about that subject. Finally, the idea of separating the contesters by limited and unlimited classes is incredibly counterproductive. So these small number of superoperaters are just going to work among themselves and then sign off, I suppose. It is common knowledge that many small contestors are ther to snag DX and nothing else. Whenever I hear rules change suggestions, I ask how this is going to affect the person suggesting the changes. Funny how it is always to give this person a big advantage, even when they claim they are just trying to level the playing field. At the end of the day, the big $$$ stations win. Everyone else supplies contacts. When wasn't it so? This is just a punitive plan toward the big stations. So you think the big $$$ stations won't go for it? One time I listened to one of the high-powered, high scoring stations noting how *they* should get extra points for listening to all those low power stations with the weak signals! Yep. Recall the many, many, many times you've had to say to the qrp station, "Say again all after xxx." The present hardware situation reminds me of a boxer who has acquired a set of brass knuckles but who still wants to fight those not so equipped. That's not right and neither is contesting in its present form. I don't see it that way at all. I think we need an "iron" class for a very different reason. One thing that makes a contest fun (for me) is the competition. It's radiosport, pure and simple. I think the message that needs to be emphasized more is that you don't need a superstation to have a good time. No you don't. But it takes more than the average station to win. Define average? I've got an IC-745 and used a ladder line fed dipole (96 feet long @50 feet high) to work the NEQP from Pennsylvania. Used a MFJ-949E tuner on it. Didja win? I didn't take top, but I finished high enough to get some wallpaper (3rd in my class to be specific) Total outlay was around 350 dollars, and this has got to be a below average station setup if there ever was one, especially by these "contest standards". Far, far, far below. Revisit the notion when you've got that 746 and a tri-bander at 60'. That is the bottom of "average." I'm kinda drooling over the new 756 pro III at the moment.... But I put in a big booming signal to New England, and was definitely limited by my own skills, (still working on 'em) and not my below average station setup. Got a certificate one year. Ahem. Scan it and post it in place of Steve's photo. Please. Somebody... I know too many hams with "100W and dipole" stations who think contesting with such a setup isn't practical. 100 watts and a dipole is only about 90 percent of contesters! And they don't win. Sometimes. Depends on the class and their skills. What? What kind of contesting are you thinking about? I prefer the State QSO parties. We have a number of classes, High power, medium power, QRP. We have a CW class with QRP and medium/high power. We have classes for rover and mobile. Now that I am the chairman of ours, we'll be adding digital modes. We encourage the development of operating skills by giving multipliers for the more difficult modes, such as mobile and QRP. This encourages people to work those more difficult operations. People have a tendency to operate with the stations that they have, save for portable operations. Sounds like a "Well Duh!" statement, but it is what most of us have to offer. People have a tendency to improve their stations.... It has been my experience from being on the air, and among those I know personally that most hams have a fairly modest setup. 100 watts, maybe a g5rv, and a competent but not spectacular rig. Obviously that isn't everyone, but it seems do describe teh great majority. Of course, mayber the really big stations won't descend to talk to me! ;^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
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"Michael Coslo" wrote The unskilled operators don't do very well even with an excellent setup, and the skilled operators do well with a more mundane setup that the new or less experienced have a lot of trouble with. This assertion is different from your original question which implied that 100W/dipole stations are manned by better operators than "knob twiddlers" found at better equipped stations. My assertion is that competition-grade STATIONS ("competition grade" does not mean "most expensive") are built and operated by competition-grade radiomen. Witness K1TTT, KC1XX, W3LPL, W0AIH, N0AT, K0KX, K3LR, W7RM, etc., etc. dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Michael Coslo" wrote The unskilled operators don't do very well even with an excellent setup, and the skilled operators do well with a more mundane setup that the new or less experienced have a lot of trouble with. This assertion is different from your original question which implied that 100W/dipole stations are manned by better operators than "knob twiddlers" found at better equipped stations. My assertion is that competition-grade STATIONS ("competition grade" does not mean "most expensive") are built and operated by competition-grade radiomen. Witness K1TTT, KC1XX, W3LPL, W0AIH, N0AT, K0KX, K3LR, W7RM, etc., etc. dit dit de Hans, K0HB wow, first in the list! now you are going to make my head swell. |
"Dave" wrote wow, first in the list! now you are going to make my head swell. If you want to stay in that position, just don't snuggle up too close to my run QRG. BSEG 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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KØHB wrote: "Michael Coslo" wrote The unskilled operators don't do very well even with an excellent setup, and the skilled operators do well with a more mundane setup that the new or less experienced have a lot of trouble with. This assertion is different from your original question which implied that 100W/dipole stations are manned by better operators than "knob twiddlers" found at better equipped stations. It was a question, Hans. Not an implication. It isn't an either or proposition either. I'd be purdy dum to think that those who have more mundane setups have better ops than those at the better stations. And I would still want to have that good op with a 100 watt station than the not so good op at the "contest station". Obviously the best setup is the good op at the good station. My assertion is that competition-grade STATIONS ("competition grade" does not mean "most expensive") are built and operated by competition-grade radiomen. Witness K1TTT, KC1XX, W3LPL, W0AIH, N0AT, K0KX, K3LR, W7RM, etc., etc. Of course. But this whole tangent of the thread was based on my assertion that between the good operator and the good equipment, your best to side with the good operator. Kinda like buying that huge Craftsman (or Snap-On or whatever) tool set and cabinet doesn't make you a master mechanic. However, many master mechanics have that same tool set. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Michael Coslo" wrote But this whole tangent of the thread was based on my assertion that between the good operator and the good equipment, your best to side with the good operator. Presuming all else is nominally equal, that's true. But "all else" is seldom "equal". Which is why a world-class op like K0SR with his black-hole city-lot QTH is never invited to WRTC, passed over in favor of regional-class ops from more propagationally favored locales. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
From: "bb" on Wed 22 Jun 2005 15:48
wrote: From: "bb" on Tues 21 Jun 2005 03:15 wrote: From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Sun 19 Jun 2005 22:46 "Jim Hampton" wrote in message The twoers and sixers were rock-bound. Anyway, he said that he wasn't familiar with VHF. "Familiarity with VHF" wasn't needed. ALL that counted was getting the morse code speed UP...that yielded absolute knowledge of all theory thus guaranteeing rank-status-privilege. We're trying to change that, all in vain. Only the actuarial tables bring about change in the ARS. Well, that's how it goes... :-) I designed and built an external VFO for a few Sixers. Worked fine. One of the recipients was showing an olde-fahrt extra how it operated and olde-fahrt said "Nice, did you build it?" "No," said my friend and, pointing to me, "He did." "THAT'S ILLEGAL!" shouted the olde-fahrt. Heh heh heh...the same anal attitudes existed four decades ago as they do now. In RRAP, we have the uniformed, and the uninformed! The "uniformed and the uninformed!" I LIKE that phrase. Apt. :-) You forgot to mention the changes in elevation over changes in distance!!! Heh heh heh. In northern Illinois the elevation changes amount to +/- a yard. Not even close to bragging rights... :-) Darnit!!! We're supposed to hear about how it was uphill both ways juss like the real hammes claim. That was for a COMMERCIAL license, Brian. No braggin' rights allowed in here on that. :-) However, to kill time waiting for the return train, I saw a matinee of "Oklahoma." Sat in the balcony, undisturbed. That was good for a change of a couple stories in height! :-) Did you try a "balcony" antenna while there? Nobody to communicate with. Was a slow day for matinees, I guess. Too bad it was a sunny day in Chicago. No snow to brag to anyone ("uphill both ways through"). Passed no problem, even with the interruption of a fire drill in the Federal Building halfway through the test. No real hamme could have survived that. You're probably right. [a lot of the anony-mousies won't know what we're talking about on this subject...they weren't here to see some of the astounding bragging going on by the late Dick Carroll and others in here] Dick was not unique unto himself. There are plenty of Dick imposters in the ARS. You mean the beepers are all just dildoes?!? Good grief! Maybe Dr. Ruth Westheimer needs to be informed of this!?! Brrrr...what a group! |
From: "bb" on Wed 22 Jun 2005 17:03
wrote: bb Jun 19, 10:51 pm show options Dan/W4NTI wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... It's nice to see Miss Manners finally noticing something amiss n the ARS. "bb" is just full of all sorts of assumptions, ain't he boys and girls? Using his logic then all us "higher" class operators need to get out of EMCOM, eh? I'll be sure to tell the Extra class Emergency Net Control operator next time I see her. Dan/W4NTI Dan, you're welcome to tell her anything you want. She's probably already aware that you usually get it wrong anyway. Do you have trouble chewing gum and walking Bryan? I don't chew gum. I don't smoke, either. Did you have a point? Probably on his head... He should have it biopsied. Save him an early date with the actuarial tables. Sounds like a plan! Ol' Danny is getting worse. Now he thinks I am claiming "combat action." Maybe I'll claim SEVEN of them just to keep him happy? It works for another. :-) The Vietnam War ended 30 years ago. I guess this post-traumatic stress stuff really gets to some...and lasts a long time... More and more I'm thinking the PCTA extras are going bonkers from too much beeping. |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Mike Coslo" wrote Who do ya want - a impatient knob twiddler with a FTDX 9000 and an antenna farm of (insert your favorite antenna here), or a good capable contester with say a dipole and an IC-746. Your example is specious, Mike. Generally the contester who builds a competition grade station has also invested in building the skills and techniques to take advantage of the capabilities they have sought in their station design. 73, de Hans, K0HB It takes two things to communicate, an operator at both ends. Dan/W4NTI |
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K=D8HB wrote: "Michael Coslo" wrote The unskilled operators don't do very well even with an excellent setup= , and the skilled operators do well with a more mundane setup that the new or= less experienced have a lot of trouble with. This assertion is different from your original question which implied t= hat 100W/dipole stations are manned by better operators than "knob twiddler= s" found at better equipped stations. It was a question, Hans. Not an implication. It isn't an either or proposition either. I'd be purdy dum to think that those who have more mundane setups have better ops than those at the better stations. And I would still want to have that good op with a 100 watt station than the not so good op at the "contest station". Obviously the best setup is the good op at the good station. My assertion is that competition-grade STATIONS ("competition grade" does not mean "most expensive") are built and oper= ated by competition-grade radiomen. Witness K1TTT, KC1XX, W3LPL, W0AIH, N0AT, = K0KX, K3LR, W7RM, etc., etc. Of course. But this whole tangent of the thread was based on my assertion that between the good operator and the good equipment, your best to side with the good operator. Kinda like buying that huge Craftsman (or Snap-On or whatever) tool set and cabinet doesn't make you a master mechanic. However, many master mechanics have that same tool set. I look at it another way... The basic evaluation factor in contesting is "what are the limitations" - IOW, what limited/limits your score? Put up the classic "100W midrange HF transceiver and G5RV at 40 feet" station. Paper logs. If you sit an unskilled op in front of it during a major contest, the score will be mostly limited by the operator's skill, not the setup. Put a skilled op in the same seat, and the score will be mostly limited by the setup. The key to improvements is to identify what the limiting factors are, and how to deal with them. That's where SO2R came from in the first place. The top ops found that their scores were being limited by the choice between running contacts and grabbing multipliers. SO2R permits doing both at almost the same time. For an op capable of using such a setup well, it removes a limitation. To an op who is not so skilled, it won't make much difference. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dave Heil wrote: KØHB wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote Who do ya want - a impatient knob twiddler with a FTDX 9000 and an antenna farm of (insert your favorite antenna here), or a good capable contester with say a dipole and an IC-746. Your example is specious, Mike. Generally the contester who builds a competition grade station has also invested in building the skills and techniques to take advantage of the capabilities they have sought in their station design. 73, de Hans, K0HB Generally but not always, Hans. Here's an example: Joe Moneybags has always admired the photos which Hans Brakob takes. He notes that Hans always uses a top of the line Nikon. Joe sells his Canon and buys the expensive Nikon. His photos are still not up to the Brakob standard. Joe fails to realize that the skill of the photographer is more important than the price or model of the camera. You have to have seen something similar a dozen times in DXing or contesting. And that is my basic point. If people want to claim it is specious, then I guess they mean that the equipment is much more important than the operators skills. All you have to do is pump money into the contest station, and assuming you pump the most money into it, you will win. Sounds ridiculous to me. Perhaps my with my setup, I should just give up. I don't stand a chance of even doing well, much less winning, eh? Or perhaps a person can hone their skills using a modest setup, then move on to a hot station and start doing very well. I wonder how many Ops have started at the top? I think I'll buy an Indy car. If I buy the mostest expensivist one, I'll surely win all the races, eh? - Mike KB3EIA - Your on the right track Mike. Work on your skills. Best way to do that is to operate at a, shall we say, less than competitive setup. Makes you appreciate the improvements as they come. That is why the loss of the Novice license is such a disaster to Amateur Radio. We used to have to dig em out of the noise, hand on rx and follow them up/down the band. Not much for filters, just your ears and brain. But that's another subject. Dan/W4NTI |
wrote in message ups.com... I've had similar experiences on FD. Some folks think they're doing well to make QSOs on SSB at a certain rate with a beam and 100 W transceiver, with an op and a logger. Exhausted after an hour or two, they wander over to the CW tent and find me working them at 2, 3 or more times their rate, with a dipole, "old" transceiver, and no logger. The reactions when presented with a manual transmatch were priceless, too. 73 de Jim, N2EY Yeah it is. I was at a FD a few years back and I fired up the "bug". You should have seen their looks of amazement. Had em standing in line to ask me questions afterwards. Dan/W4nti |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Dave" wrote wow, first in the list! now you are going to make my head swell. If you want to stay in that position, just don't snuggle up too close to my run QRG. BSEG 73, de Hans, K0HB Yeah....ole Hans likes the "slip and slide" technique. If he hears anyone getting too close for some reason his VFO tracks that way. Must be running a Kenwood. Just kidding Hans. Dan/W4NTI |
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... wrote: [snip] Mike Coslo wrote: KØHB wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote That's why it might be a good idea - next year - to run all ~100 W setups. We did last year, and I liked it. Made almost as many points too. - mike KB3EIA - Our club always runs all stations at 100W. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee Flint" wrote Our club always runs all stations at 100W. Power-mongers! |
That is why the loss of the Novice license is such a disaster to Amateur Radio. All in the name of pushing a mike button there Dan ....pure and simple .... We used to have to dig em out of the noise, hand on rx and follow them up/down the band. Not much for filters, just your ears and brain. But that's another subject. Dan/W4NTI Boy Dan that is right ..... did that with the old HA-230 ..... like I said before ....it drifted more than my uncle coming out of the Legion on a Saturday night ..... Take care Dan . et al see you on the air for FD ...W3CSL Monessen ARC ..... |
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That is why the loss of the Novice license is such a disaster to Amateur Radio. All in the name of pushing a mike button there Dan ....pure and simple .... We used to have to dig em out of the noise, hand on rx and follow them up/down the band. Not much for filters, just your ears and brain. But that's another subject. Dan/W4NTI Boy Dan that is right ..... did that with the old HA-230 ..... like I said before ....it drifted more than my uncle coming out of the Legion on a Saturday night ..... Take care Dan . et al see you on the air for FD ...W3CSL Monessen ARC .... And Novices were required to be crystal controlled, which meant that a Novice might own 1 or 2 crystals, or maybe a rich kid would own 3 crystals. So you first checked to see if the frequency of your crystal was in use, if not then call CQ, three by three, CQ three times, your call three times, and that repeated three times. Then you scanned the band because chances are some other novice answering you would not have the same crystal frequency you did. As Dan says, one learned to dig em' out, and the drifty receivers made it even more challenging. |
"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... garigue wrote: That is why the loss of the Novice license is such a disaster to Amateur Radio. All in the name of pushing a mike button there Dan ....pure and simple .... We used to have to dig em out of the noise, hand on rx and follow them up/down the band. Not much for filters, just your ears and brain. But that's another subject. Dan/W4NTI Boy Dan that is right ..... did that with the old HA-230 ..... like I said before ....it drifted more than my uncle coming out of the Legion on a Saturday night ..... Take care Dan . et al see you on the air for FD ...W3CSL Monessen ARC .... And Novices were required to be crystal controlled, which meant that a Novice might own 1 or 2 crystals, or maybe a rich kid would own 3 crystals. So you first checked to see if the frequency of your crystal was in use, if not then call CQ, three by three, CQ three times, your call three times, and that repeated three times. Then you scanned the band because chances are some other novice answering you would not have the same crystal frequency you did. As Dan says, one learned to dig em' out, and the drifty receivers made it even more challenging. Oh yes indeed......remember how you could change the frequency of those FT-243 rocks? Carefully take them apart and apply a thin layer of pencil lead. Don't remember....did that raise or lower the freq? Another technique was to drilll a hole in the face of the rock. Put a metal screw in it and adjust the tension on the quartz via the spring that was inside. Ah the good ole days. Yeah right. Dan/W4NTI |
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Oh yes indeed......remember how you could change the frequency of those FT-243 rocks? Carefully take them apart and apply a thin layer of pencil lead. Don't remember....did that raise or lower the freq? Another technique was to drilll a hole in the face of the rock. Put a metal screw in it and adjust the tension on the quartz via the spring that was inside. Ah the good ole days. Yeah right. Dan/W4NTI Remember Meshna surplus had I think 4 Xtals for a buck at 7.150 which, by using some window glass and some toothpaste, one could knock off a few microns and shift the freq up ....only problem is that only 2 of the 4 worked after the grind ....... and that one I think was out of band .... Definitely a second on the yeah right ..... 73 Tom KI3R |
"bb" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: From: "bb" on Wed 22 Jun 2005 15:48 In RRAP, we have the uniformed, and the uninformed! The "uniformed and the uninformed!" I LIKE that phrase. Apt. :-) A single person comes to mind. BTW, Dee and Dan both just informed me that "dip****" wasn't profanity, so I think the phrase, "Gunny Dip****" will be met with overwhelming approval, unless K8MN corrects me and says it should be "Dip**** Gunny." However it is vulgar and vulgarity is also unacceptable. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Oh yes indeed......remember how you could change the frequency of those FT-243 rocks? Carefully take them apart and apply a thin layer of pencil lead. Don't remember....did that raise or lower the freq? Another technique was to drilll a hole in the face of the rock. Put a metal screw in it and adjust the tension on the quartz via the spring that was inside. Ah the good ole days. Yeah right. But I'll bet you had a blast, didn't ya? - Mike KB3EIA - |
garigue wrote: Oh yes indeed......remember how you could change the frequency of those FT-243 rocks? Carefully take them apart and apply a thin layer of pencil lead. Don't remember....did that raise or lower the freq? All "suspended" masses have natural frequencies and harmonics thereof. Add mass and the freq goes down. Remove mass and the freq goes up. Another technique was to drilll a hole in the face of the rock. Put a metal screw in it and adjust the tension on the quartz via the spring that was inside. Ah the good ole days. Yeah right. Dan/W4NTI Remember Meshna surplus had I think 4 Xtals for a buck at 7.150 which, by using some window glass and some toothpaste, one could knock off a few microns and shift the freq up In these parts us N-Band crawlers lapped our xtal freqs up with Bon-Ami and lowered 'em by rubbing 'em with sodder. Had pretty good success rates both ways. ....only problem is that only 2 of the 4 worked after the grind ....... and that one I think was out of band .... Definitely a second on the yeah right ..... Yeah, but it was an awful lotta fun. 73 Tom KI3R w3rv |
Dee Flint wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: From: "bb" on Wed 22 Jun 2005 15:48 In RRAP, we have the uniformed, and the uninformed! The "uniformed and the uninformed!" I LIKE that phrase. Apt. :-) A single person comes to mind. BTW, Dee and Dan both just informed me that "dip****" wasn't profanity, so I think the phrase, "Gunny Dip****" will be met with overwhelming approval, unless K8MN corrects me and says it should be "Dip**** Gunny." However it is vulgar and vulgarity is also unacceptable. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Great! NOW you tell me it's unacceptable!!! ;^) Are the things that Steve says to people acceptable? |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I've had similar experiences on FD. Some folks think they're doing well to make QSOs on SSB at a certain rate with a beam and 100 W transceiver, with an op and a logger. Exhausted after an hour or two, they wander over to the CW tent and find me working them at 2, 3 or more times their rate, with a dipole, "old" transceiver, and no logger. The reactions when presented with a manual transmatch were priceless, too. 73 de Jim, N2EY Yeah it is. I was at a FD a few years back and I fired up the "bug". You should have seen their looks of amazement. Had em standing in line to ask me questions afterwards. Dan/W4nti The older you'se guys gets, the better you'se was... |
From: "bb" on Fri 24 Jun 2005 16:33
wrote: From: "bb" on Wed 22 Jun 2005 15:48 In RRAP, we have the uniformed, and the uninformed! The "uniformed and the uninformed!" I LIKE that phrase. Apt. :-) A single person comes to mind. I wonder who that would be...? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! BTW, Dee and Dan both just informed me that "dip****" wasn't profanity, so I think the phrase, "Gunny Dip****" will be met with overwhelming approval, unless K8MN corrects me and says it should be "Dip**** Gunny." I'm sure the SS schoolmaster will say something...:-) If you act real nice, he will explain all his knowledge of Hunnish. Especially on the proper English spelling of "Attila!" He must be fluent in many languages. Especially "f." [that makes him an "effluent."] bit, bit |
wrote: From: "bb" on Fri 24 Jun 2005 16:33 wrote: From: "bb" on Wed 22 Jun 2005 15:48 In RRAP, we have the uniformed, and the uninformed! The "uniformed and the uninformed!" I LIKE that phrase. Apt. :-) A single person comes to mind. I wonder who that would be...? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! BTW, Dee and Dan both just informed me that "dip****" wasn't profanity, so I think the phrase, "Gunny Dip****" will be met with overwhelming approval, unless K8MN corrects me and says it should be "Dip**** Gunny." I'm sure the SS schoolmaster will say something...:-) If you act real nice, he will explain all his knowledge of Hunnish. Especially on the proper English spelling of "Attila!" He must be fluent in many languages. Especially "f." [that makes him an "effluent."] bit, bit Whatta bunch of misfits. No wonder we're attracted to amateur radio. |
From: bb on Jun 26, 9:02 am
wrote: From: "bb" on Fri 24 Jun 2005 16:33 wrote: From: "bb" on Wed 22 Jun 2005 15:48 In RRAP, we have the uniformed, and the uninformed! The "uniformed and the uninformed!" I LIKE that phrase. Apt. :-) A single person comes to mind. I wonder who that would be...? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH?AHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! Whatta bunch of misfits. No wonder we're attracted to amateur radio. Brian, I'm interested in ALL radio, not just the amateur stuff. I didn't join the "church" to Believe solely what some new englanders were preaching about many years ago (and still doing today). Neither did I NEED some "callsign" to show some "dedication" or "committment" to the "community." Apparently the actuarial tables ARE starting to manifest themselves, as witness some numbers at www.hamdata.com of 26 June 2005: In the last 12 months, there have been 16,125 new licenses granted in U.S. amateur radio. In that same time period, 19,332 have dropped out ("no longer licensed"). That's roughly a 0.4 percent DECLINE per year (-3,207 licensees in one year) and agrees with the previous year's DECLINE of 6,969 licensees as of the same date two years ago. The percentage of total Technician and Technician Plus individual licensees is 48.43 percent of ALL individual licenses (less the "club" calls). Technician class individual license percentage is 40.72 percent of ALL individual licensees. Technicians are restricted to amateur bands above 30 MHz. For this national Field Day CONTEST, they won't be making any big scores via VHF and above. Field Day is primarily the same old HF CONTEST it always was. HF, with all the "skip" and ionospheric help on distance it always had. Nothing has really changed with Field Day in a half century. That includes the hypocrisy of stating that Field Day is "primarily about emergency communications" (by the league) when the blatant truth has it all concerned with CONTESTING. Old paradigm. Old hypocrisy. Perpetuated delusion. Field Day is a CONTEST. Always was. Why not SAY SO up front? Nothing wrong with fun, a weekend in the park, etc. It's another example of the delusional fantasies perpetuated by the olde-fahrts...which lots more newcomers are NOT going along with...any more than the fantasy that radiotelegraphy "is a 'basic skill' that all 'must' learn." Nonsense. |
Len:
Well spoken, accurate and "right on." Now the delusional get their turns... John wrote in message oups.com... From: bb on Jun 26, 9:02 am wrote: From: "bb" on Fri 24 Jun 2005 16:33 wrote: From: "bb" on Wed 22 Jun 2005 15:48 In RRAP, we have the uniformed, and the uninformed! The "uniformed and the uninformed!" I LIKE that phrase. Apt. :-) A single person comes to mind. I wonder who that would be...? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH?AHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! Whatta bunch of misfits. No wonder we're attracted to amateur radio. Brian, I'm interested in ALL radio, not just the amateur stuff. I didn't join the "church" to Believe solely what some new englanders were preaching about many years ago (and still doing today). Neither did I NEED some "callsign" to show some "dedication" or "committment" to the "community." Apparently the actuarial tables ARE starting to manifest themselves, as witness some numbers at www.hamdata.com of 26 June 2005: In the last 12 months, there have been 16,125 new licenses granted in U.S. amateur radio. In that same time period, 19,332 have dropped out ("no longer licensed"). That's roughly a 0.4 percent DECLINE per year (-3,207 licensees in one year) and agrees with the previous year's DECLINE of 6,969 licensees as of the same date two years ago. The percentage of total Technician and Technician Plus individual licensees is 48.43 percent of ALL individual licenses (less the "club" calls). Technician class individual license percentage is 40.72 percent of ALL individual licensees. Technicians are restricted to amateur bands above 30 MHz. For this national Field Day CONTEST, they won't be making any big scores via VHF and above. Field Day is primarily the same old HF CONTEST it always was. HF, with all the "skip" and ionospheric help on distance it always had. Nothing has really changed with Field Day in a half century. That includes the hypocrisy of stating that Field Day is "primarily about emergency communications" (by the league) when the blatant truth has it all concerned with CONTESTING. Old paradigm. Old hypocrisy. Perpetuated delusion. Field Day is a CONTEST. Always was. Why not SAY SO up front? Nothing wrong with fun, a weekend in the park, etc. It's another example of the delusional fantasies perpetuated by the olde-fahrts...which lots more newcomers are NOT going along with...any more than the fantasy that radiotelegraphy "is a 'basic skill' that all 'must' learn." Nonsense. |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: Oh yes indeed......remember how you could change the frequency of those FT-243 rocks? Carefully take them apart and apply a thin layer of pencil lead. Don't remember....did that raise or lower the freq? Another technique was to drilll a hole in the face of the rock. Put a metal screw in it and adjust the tension on the quartz via the spring that was inside. Ah the good ole days. Yeah right. But I'll bet you had a blast, didn't ya? - Mike KB3EIA - Yeah I did. Dan/W4NTI |
"bb" wrote in message ups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I've had similar experiences on FD. Some folks think they're doing well to make QSOs on SSB at a certain rate with a beam and 100 W transceiver, with an op and a logger. Exhausted after an hour or two, they wander over to the CW tent and find me working them at 2, 3 or more times their rate, with a dipole, "old" transceiver, and no logger. The reactions when presented with a manual transmatch were priceless, too. 73 de Jim, N2EY Yeah it is. I was at a FD a few years back and I fired up the "bug". You should have seen their looks of amazement. Had em standing in line to ask me questions afterwards. Dan/W4nti The older you'se guys gets, the better you'se was... Thats right...and don't you forget it. Dan/W4NTI |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: Yeah it is. I was at a FD a few years back and I fired up the "bug". You should have seen their looks of amazement. Had em standing in line to ask me questions afterwards. Dan/W4nti The older you'se guys gets, the better you'se was... Thats right...and don't you forget it. Remembering is not a problem for me, it is you that is approaching the forgetful years. Dan/W4NTI |
"bb" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: Yeah it is. I was at a FD a few years back and I fired up the "bug". You should have seen their looks of amazement. Had em standing in line to ask me questions afterwards. Dan/W4nti The older you'se guys gets, the better you'se was... Thats right...and don't you forget it. Remembering is not a problem for me, it is you that is approaching the forgetful years. Dan/W4NTI Approaching is the key word here. Dan/W4NTI |
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