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It was never about anyone stopping you from sending cw was it...
It is about stopping you from forcing others to learn cw when they would never use it... Always when one is being forced to do something they do not wish to, they should question everything in sight... just as you began when you thought someone was going to force you to quit... .... let's at least keep my comment about the drums straight... Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... ... that almost makes me miss the ancient drums my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-etc. ancestors used to use to communicate with in the primordial jungles... I wonder if we could bring those back to? ... perhaps require the new licensees to beat out a fancy tempo on one of those turkeys before we gave 'em a license! evil-grin Warmest regards, John Perhaps, John But consider that some of us can send and receive cw faster than most folks can type. I know you may be good at "cut and paste", but that doesn't necessarily cut it LOL. Sure, voice appears faster, but when you get names and addresses that are hard to pronounce .... Not saying that CW is the best, but some folks better come up with something superior to AM and FM. There are a number of modes, but most folks want to "talk". That won't cut it for 85 watt moonbounce on 24 GHz. ![]() 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA ps - when I talk send and receive cw faster than some folks type, I'm not talking a nice, leisurely chat at 30 or 35 words per minute ... |
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![]() John Smith wrote: It was never about anyone stopping you from sending cw was it... It is about stopping you from forcing others to learn cw when they would never use it... Always when one is being forced to do something they do not wish to, they should question everything in sight... just as you began when you thought someone was going to force you to quit... ... let's at least keep my comment about the drums straight... By the very nature of "testing" we are "forced" to do something we generally don't want to do. When I took my General, I had no intent on doing any RTTY operation yet had to know RTTY theory and practice. Good news is that now you don't HAVE to "learn" anything...Just memorize those quesitons and answers...Whish is what gives me a good laugh with the more arrogant NCT types (read that Lennie...) They are "OK" with open pools and memorized tests, but they hate memorized sounds...what's up with that? Sheesh...the FCC even delete the requirement to demonstrate SENDING the Code. There's no more work to memorizing the Code than there is to memorizing the written questions...Unless you have a VALID medical decicit. Steve, K4YZ |
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John Smith wrote:
It was never about anyone stopping you from sending cw was it... A few anticode folks have stated they want Morse Code *use* by hams to end, not just the test. They are a small minority, but they do exist. It is about stopping you from forcing others to learn cw when they would never use it... Who is "forced" to learn Morse Code? It's a requirement if someone wants an FCC-issued amateur license with HF privileges, that's all. Always when one is being forced to do something they do not wish to, they should question everything in sight... just as you began when you thought someone was going to force you to quit... The argument you present boils down to this: If someone doesn't want to use Morse Code in ham radio, they shouldn't be required to learn it just to pass a test (even a simple, basic test) to get a ham radio license. Those who choose to use it can learn it on their own. Is that about right? The problem is that the same argument can be made against almost everything in the written tests. For example, if someone doesn't intend to use certain bands, why are they forced to learn the band edges of every band their license allows? If someone doesn't intend to use more than a few watts of transmitted power, why must they learn all that RF exposure stuff? Indeed, if someone doesn't intend to homebrew, why are they *forced* to learn all that theory stuff? Sure, the written tests look easy to someone with a background in radio, electronics, computers or other related fields. But to someone from an unrelated field, they're not easy. Suppose you met a retired gentleman who had been a radioman in the military 50+ years ago. He'd always wanted to be a ham but never had the time or resources. Now he finds that ham radio still exists, and he wants in. The gent can still do code well, and remembers the basics of theory as it was 50+ years ago. He gets an HF receiver and listens to the lovely Morse Code signals on the low ends of the HF bands. But in order to join the folks on 7010 or 3520, he needs an Extra. And the written test is full of stuff he's never seen before, and that he will never use. Why must he learn all that stuff he will never use just to pass the tests? Sure, the stuff is easy for *you*, but not for *him*. ... let's at least keep my comment about the drums straight... Let's see... Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... ... that almost makes me miss the ancient drums my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-etc. ancestors used to use to communicate with in the primordial jungles... I wonder if we could bring those back to? Invalid analogy. Drums for communication aren't in wide use. Morse Code for communication is in wide use in ham radio. Doesn't need to be brought back because it's right here. ... perhaps require the new licensees to beat out a fancy tempo on one of those turkeys before we gave 'em a license! evil-grin Warmest regards, John Perhaps, John But consider that some of us can send and receive cw faster than most folks can type. Yup. I know you may be good at "cut and paste", but that doesn't necessarily cut it LOL. Sure, voice appears faster, but when you get names and addresses that are hard to pronounce .... Bingo. For any message that needs to be written down, the speed limitation is usually the writing speed of the receiving op. The fact that someone can theoretically talks 150 wpm doesn't mean anything if the person on the receiving end can only write legibly at 15 wpm. Text modes are great if you have the hardware for them and if you are in a situation where you can look at a screen to read them. Not saying that CW is the best, but some folks better come up with something superior to AM and FM. There are a number of modes, but most folks want to "talk". That won't cut it for 85 watt moonbounce on 24 GHz. ![]() 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA ps - when I talk send and receive cw faster than some folks type, I'm not talking a nice, leisurely chat at 30 or 35 words per minute ... Yup. Good Morse ops can chat at speeds approaching those of voice ops because they use abbreviations and eliminate redundancies. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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John Smith wrote:
It was never about anyone stopping you from sending cw was it... It is about stopping you from forcing others to learn cw when they would never use it... So I guess you should never have to answer questions on the test about RTTY, Packet, Amtor, SSTV, ect., ect., if you think you will never use those modes. Or you shouldn't have to answer questions on theory such as ohms law, if you never plan to build anything. So how do you know that you will never want to operate those modes? Do you want to take another test if you someday decide to operate another mode? Should we have hams building and putting equipment on the air who don't even know ohms law? The fact is, all that is available to any licensed ham by virtue of their license, so they should have some knowledge in these areas should they ever want to persue them. Always when one is being forced to do something they do not wish to, they should question everything in sight... just as you began when you thought someone was going to force you to quit... No one is forceing you to do any of them, if fact, no one forced you to get a license. |
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![]() "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hello, Hans You should have seen the RM1s on Guam when they wanted to find out results as to who made chief. Grab the orderwire to Hono. Ask for a patch to San Diego. Ask for a patch to Washington .... Had the results in 15 minutes LOL ![]() 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA I was so far out in the boonies on one or more TDY I had to use my KWM2-A HF transciever for a Shortwave receiver to keep the "troops" entertained. (sure liked those big crystal packs).. hi Dan/W4NTI |
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![]() K=D8HB wrote: by Bob 'Dex' Armstrong And so it went. Bluejackets phoning in after six months in the Med... Gre= at entertainment. "Darlin' can't wait... Just you and me and a can of Crisco!" .. . . a can of CRISCO??! No wonder the Navy keeps these guys underwater . .=20 w3rv |
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![]() "KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... Great guys, all of them. Excellent Hans, In the Army those in the know knew you had to know; A. Supply Sgt. B. Chief Cook. C. Commo Sgt. Not necessarily in that order. Dan/W4NTI |
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K=D8HB wrote:
by Bob 'Dex' Armstrong (great story snipped) Great guys, all of them. Thanks, Hans. Keep 'em coming! 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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![]() From sweetie to the marine operator was private and confidential... From the marine operator to Barnicle Bill, it was up for grabs... Great evening entertainment. "Poopsie, is that you?" "Yes ducky doo, it's me." I'd add: "and everyone aboard the sub. Not much privacy aboard a crowded sub; they all can hear this". Thus warning her not to give too much detail on private matters..." People on a sub would have to know, at least after the first call to someone's sweetie was placed.... |
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