Dee:

I really can't believe some are so devoted to arguing as this while
amateur radio declines...

First, I DO believe there is a problem with the numbers of licenses...

Second, there have been things tried, and there are just echos here of
RE-TRYING failed ideas here--they didn't work then, they won't work now!

Third, I don't think anyone here is into any real want to do anything
better--most are locked in a state of firm and heavy denial and the
numbers must drop much more before this will improve...

Fourth, I DO believe time and Jim Haynie will provide real
fixes--eventually...

Fifth, my opinion is that almost everyone here, to the last man/woman,
is going to let things go to hell for their own self-interests--and that
to me is as disgusting as someone masturbating in public--NO ONE ELSE
ENJOYS IT!

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

[snip]

The idea of "recruiting" people into the ARS is likely never going to
work - at least as far as snagging people that are thinking about a
hobby, but don't know what to pick up.

If you wanna be a Ham - you *know* it.


I must disagree to some extent with this, Mike. There are people who
would love being hams if only they knew about it and knew what it was
like. I never knew I wanted to be a ham until after I became one. My
ex dragged me to a ham class as something we could do together and I
have to admit that it did not sound interesting at the time. I found
that it was something I liked and now I would fight tooth and nail to
keep my license.

If we are going to "recruit," we need to find those who would like it
but haven't had the opportunity to know about it or to know enough
about it.

[snip]

A local oldster was inquiring as to when his license expired, because
he couldn't find his F.C.C. Wallpaper. We help him figure it out. We
need to keep the geezers on the air. I love talking to them. I hope
someone is looking out for me when I'm 91!


I hope so too. I had the great pleasure and honor of speaking with
W5BQU (Big, Quick, and Ugly) a year or two before he passed away. He
was over 100 at the time and still in pretty good control of his
faculties and still with a zest for life, enjoying those things he
still could do.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:


There certainly are women in Ham radio, and although a minority, they are
probably no more of a minority than women's representation in other
technical fields. This would mean that any problem is shared with those
other technical fields, and not a Ham radio specific problem.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Actually I know more women in ham radio than women in engineering.

.. . . and I might add FWIW that with the exception of W3CUL who had
been a professional CW op none of the woman hams I've met personally
were technologists of any flavor. One is a lifetime housewife, one is a
public school elemantary teacher and the other is a grants manager for
a philanthropic trust fund.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv

Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
...

Dee:

Michael's own words:
"There certainly are women in Ham radio, and although a minority, ..."

What does that mean--they are being held out by the old farts? The women
too want no-code?


He is not claiming anything of the sort. Once again you see what isn't
there.


Just what is the reason he was claiming?



He is not claiming any reason but simply stating that the same factors that
cause women not to choose technical careers also cause them not to choose
technical hobbies. He has made no statement about what those factors may
be.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Wonder how many organizations that are mostly joined by women does
Johnny Smith belong to? Hey Johnnyboy, why don't you join the Red Hat
Society? You might just look good in a purple dress and red hat.

John Smith wrote:
Dee:

cw is like the tying I do
here, neither requiring thought, strength or a particular skill.

So you should have no trouble copying 30-40 wpm then.

John Smith wrote:
"special interest group"... what next, "Lesbian hams?"

The women are NOT there on the bands--you claim they are "hiding", well
great--they still ain't there in any REAL sense!

So what is this hang-up you have about women, why do you think the bands
should be populated with lots of women hams? As a whole, women aren't
attracted to a technical hobby like ham radio. Ever go out to the model
airplane radio control field? See lots of women there flying toy
airplanes? How many women get their pilots license as compared to men?
Ever go to a quilting meeting? How many men did you see there?
Ever go to an antique radio swap meet? You will find a lot more men
collecting and fixing old radios than women. Do you collect dolls, tea
sets, china dishes? No? Lots of women do.

When I taught Novice classis some years ago, there were always several
women in the class and they ejoyed learning the code as much as anyone.

There are things that interest men as a hobby and things that interest
women as a hobby, and most often they are different things.
If all you can see is doom and gloom for ham radio, I suggest you go
back to the 'freeband' where you seem to think radio life is great.

John Smith wrote:
I'd say those figures are certainly pressing the envelope... either way,
you don't see 'em on the bands in those numbers... your 1-in-20 seems
more like a 1-in-a-hundred-or-better to me!

"Seems like" is not knowledge of the facts and you obviously don't know
the difference. Which is a well-known trait amongst mindless trolls.

John

Kelly:

Ahhh, that explains it, being the "women magnet" you are, they are all
busy chatting in secret to you--and that is why I never catch
them--well, except for a few of the aussie girls...

John

wrote in message
oups.com...

John Smith wrote:
I'd say those figures are certainly pressing the envelope... either
way,
you don't see 'em on the bands in those numbers... your 1-in-20
seems
more like a 1-in-a-hundred-or-better to me!

"Seems like" is not knowledge of the facts and you obviously don't
know
the difference. Which is a well-known trait amongst mindless trolls.

John

John Smith wrote:
Buzzard Bozo:

What thoughtful responses.

John Smith wrote:
Dee:

I really can't believe some are so devoted to arguing
as this while amateur radio declines...

You're arguing more than anyone here at the moment, John.

First, I DO believe there is a problem with the numbers
of licenses...

OK, fine. How much are the numbers down, percentagewise, from
the peak? How about the ratio of hams to the overall population?

Show us some solid numbers.

Second, there have been things tried,
and there are just echos here of
RE-TRYING failed ideas here--they didn't work then,
they won't work now!

I agree!

In 1987, 1990, 1991, and 2000, the test requirements for an FCC-issued
amateur license were successively reduced. The greatest
reduction came in 2000, when the code tests were reduced from
three speeds to one, and the written tests reduced from 5 tests
totalling 190 questions to three tests totalling 120 questions.

And yet the numbers are now declining.

Third, I don't think anyone here is into any real want to do
anything
better--most are locked in a state of firm and heavy denial and the
numbers must drop much more before this will improve...

I'm for doing something better. But what I think of as better, you
dismiss.

Fourth, I DO believe time and Jim Haynie will provide real
fixes--eventually...

The FCC makes the rules...

Fifth, my opinion is that almost everyone here, to the last
man/woman,
is going to let things go to hell for their own
self-interests--

That includes you, John.

Which of your own self-interests are you willing to sacrifice?

and that
to me is as disgusting as someone masturbating in public--NO
ONE ELSE ENJOYS IT!

Somehow I don't think you're the ideal person to present amateur radio
to young people...

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

[snip]

The idea of "recruiting" people into the ARS is likely never going to
work - at least as far as snagging people that are thinking about a
hobby, but don't know what to pick up.

If you wanna be a Ham - you *know* it.


I must disagree to some extent with this, Mike. There are people who
would love being hams if only they knew about it and knew what it was
like. I never knew I wanted to be a ham until after I became one. My
ex dragged me to a ham class as something we could do together and I
have to admit that it did not sound interesting at the time. I found
that it was something I liked and now I would fight tooth and nail to
keep my license.

So what you really needed was exposure - publicity - examples - demos.

Were you attracted to amateur radio because it was like the internet,
or because it was something very different?

If we are going to "recruit," we need to find those who would like it
but haven't had the opportunity to know about it or to know enough
about it.

I say you toss it out there for everyone.

[snip]

A local oldster was inquiring as to when his license expired, because
he couldn't find his F.C.C. Wallpaper. We help him figure it out. We
need to keep the geezers on the air. I love talking to them. I hope
someone is looking out for me when I'm 91!


I hope so too. I had the great pleasure and honor of speaking with
W5BQU (Big, Quick, and Ugly) a year or two before he passed away. He
was over 100 at the time and still in pretty good control of his
faculties and still with a zest for life, enjoying those things he
still could do.

I've been a ham for 38 years now and I hope I'm not even halfway done
yet.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Buzzard Boy:

....

John

"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
...

Dee:

Michael's own words:
"There certainly are women in Ham radio, and although a minority,
..."

What does that mean--they are being held out by the old farts? The
women too want no-code?


He is not claiming anything of the sort. Once again you see what
isn't there.


Just what is the reason he was claiming?



He is not claiming any reason but simply stating that the same
factors that cause women not to choose technical careers also cause
them not to choose technical hobbies. He has made no statement about
what those factors may be.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Wonder how many organizations that are mostly joined by women does
Johnny Smith belong to? Hey Johnnyboy, why don't you join the Red Hat
Society? You might just look good in a purple dress and red hat.