wrote in message
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[snip]

Im convinced that events in the future will prove us right. Today we
have a "bloat the numbers at any cost" game which is doomed to backfire
eventually. The big question is how badly it will backfire and how much
damage will have been be done before it happens. The history of this
country over last couple decades is chock full of eamples of backing
away from failed giveaways. It's only a matter of time until ham radio
gets it's turn.


The "bloat the numbers at any cost" will backfire for the simple reason that
too many with no real interest will get in and then drop out. Then we will
see once again a decline in numbers that will panic people just as the
relatively small drop off from the peak is panicing people now.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee:

You miss a very important reality.

If the youngsters are not introduced to amateur radio--then most of
those interested in RF uses will go the Ghz freqs of lans/wans and setup
various neighborhood or city/town/county computer communication
networks, and when they look back at amateur radio and the code
requirement--they will laugh and become freebanders!!!

Much better to get 'em started right up front--although the oldsters
here act like radio is a big thing, the kids don't think so--they have
been chatting the world for a big percentage of their lifetimes on the
internet... they don't have to wait for conditions to improve, they
don't have to buy expensive equipment or set up large antennas or run
linears--they chat 24/7 with total and complete reliability...

they don't have to find someone with a license to chat with, anyone able
to obtain a computer they can and do chat with... there are NO
BARRIERS, compare that to amateur radio...

.... then there is the data throughput capabilities of the net which the
narrow rf spectrum amateur radio provides will never allow for...

The lack of them here proves there is some REAL problem, and that is
what I have been saying--AMATEUR RADIO WILL HAVE TO CHANGE AND COME OUT
OF THE PAST AND JOIN THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES WITH DYNAMIC MINDS TO MEET
THESE CHALLENGES OR DIE...

.... one or the other is inevitable, surely a blind person can see
that... I would think you might be free of the DINOSAUR SIZED EGOS of
the males here and able to grasp this immediately...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...

[snip]

Im convinced that events in the future will prove us right. Today we
have a "bloat the numbers at any cost" game which is doomed to
backfire
eventually. The big question is how badly it will backfire and how
much
damage will have been be done before it happens. The history of this
country over last couple decades is chock full of eamples of backing
away from failed giveaways. It's only a matter of time until ham
radio
gets it's turn.


The "bloat the numbers at any cost" will backfire for the simple
reason that too many with no real interest will get in and then drop
out. Then we will see once again a decline in numbers that will panic
people just as the relatively small drop off from the peak is panicing
people now.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee:

If you download mirc, study it and how to use it, hook to the dalnet
server and pick a room like #australia - #40+friends #30-60friends -
#California - #Sweden - etc - etc -etc...

.... you will get lost for hours chatting, you can instantly send and
receive pictures and documents with other room members, the chat happens
in real time--you can go voice-to-net with another free application and
chat to the other countries for free in speech... after you have seen
and experienced all this--tell me amateur radio doesn't have to "GET
REAL!" I doubt if these old buggers here could even get Mirc installed
on their machines, learn to use it and find out what they are
missing--these old boy are just too plum SLOW!!!
grin

download mirc for free here == http://www.mirc.com

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

You miss a very important reality.

If the youngsters are not introduced to amateur radio--then most of
those interested in RF uses will go the Ghz freqs of lans/wans and
setup various neighborhood or city/town/county computer communication
networks, and when they look back at amateur radio and the code
requirement--they will laugh and become freebanders!!!

Much better to get 'em started right up front--although the oldsters
here act like radio is a big thing, the kids don't think so--they have
been chatting the world for a big percentage of their lifetimes on the
internet... they don't have to wait for conditions to improve, they
don't have to buy expensive equipment or set up large antennas or run
linears--they chat 24/7 with total and complete reliability...

they don't have to find someone with a license to chat with, anyone
able to obtain a computer they can and do chat with... there are NO
BARRIERS, compare that to amateur radio...

... then there is the data throughput capabilities of the net which
the narrow rf spectrum amateur radio provides will never allow for...

The lack of them here proves there is some REAL problem, and that is
what I have been saying--AMATEUR RADIO WILL HAVE TO CHANGE AND COME
OUT OF THE PAST AND JOIN THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES WITH DYNAMIC MINDS TO
MEET THESE CHALLENGES OR DIE...

... one or the other is inevitable, surely a blind person can see
that... I would think you might be free of the DINOSAUR SIZED EGOS of
the males here and able to grasp this immediately...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...

[snip]

Im convinced that events in the future will prove us right. Today we
have a "bloat the numbers at any cost" game which is doomed to
backfire
eventually. The big question is how badly it will backfire and how
much
damage will have been be done before it happens. The history of this
country over last couple decades is chock full of eamples of backing
away from failed giveaways. It's only a matter of time until ham
radio
gets it's turn.


The "bloat the numbers at any cost" will backfire for the simple
reason that too many with no real interest will get in and then drop
out. Then we will see once again a decline in numbers that will
panic people just as the relatively small drop off from the peak is
panicing people now.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

If you download mirc, study it and how to use it, hook to the dalnet
server and pick a room like #australia - #40+friends #30-60friends -
#California - #Sweden - etc - etc -etc...

... you will get lost for hours chatting, you can instantly send and
receive pictures and documents with other room members, the chat happens
in real time--you can go voice-to-net with another free application and
chat to the other countries for free in speech... after you have seen and
experienced all this--tell me amateur radio doesn't have to "GET REAL!" I
doubt if these old buggers here could even get Mirc installed on their
machines, learn to use it and find out what they are missing--these old
boy are just too plum SLOW!!!
grin

download mirc for free here == http://www.mirc.com

Warmest regards,
John

Not interested in internet chat. Tried it and it's dull. Too much
infrastructure and not enough independence to make it a fun hobby.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee:

Well, at least you prove my point, the world moves on--some stay... but
as it has always been-it will wait for no man or woman... new mindsets
will now have to move us up-to-date, which has been my argument all
along... it will be a pleasure to see this happen in my lifetime...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

If you download mirc, study it and how to use it, hook to the dalnet
server and pick a room like #australia - #40+friends #30-60friends -
#California - #Sweden - etc - etc -etc...

... you will get lost for hours chatting, you can instantly send and
receive pictures and documents with other room members, the chat
happens in real time--you can go voice-to-net with another free
application and chat to the other countries for free in speech...
after you have seen and experienced all this--tell me amateur radio
doesn't have to "GET REAL!" I doubt if these old buggers here could
even get Mirc installed on their machines, learn to use it and find
out what they are missing--these old boy are just too plum SLOW!!!
grin

download mirc for free here == http://www.mirc.com

Warmest regards,
John

Not interested in internet chat. Tried it and it's dull. Too much
infrastructure and not enough independence to make it a fun hobby.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

[snip]

Im convinced that events in the future will prove us right. Today we
have a "bloat the numbers at any cost" game which is doomed to backfire
eventually. The big question is how badly it will backfire and how much
damage will have been be done before it happens. The history of this
country over last couple decades is chock full of eamples of backing
away from failed giveaways. It's only a matter of time until ham radio
gets it's turn.



The "bloat the numbers at any cost" will backfire for the simple reason that
too many with no real interest will get in and then drop out.

Easy one Dee, cuz I think that is just what happened recently!


Then we will
see once again a decline in numbers that will panic people just as the
relatively small drop off from the peak is panicing people now.

The ability of middle aged and older men to become incredibly agitated
and angry about trivial things.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike:

Yanno, back in the horse and buggy days--when the horse was king--same
thing--some waited with their horses for other to come to their senses
and get rid of their autos... it never happened...

I think this is very much the same where those so religiously and
historically tied to the past and what has always been will remain blind
to the fact that change is inevitable...

I know the question is not "if it will happen?" but rather, "how long is
this going to take?"

I feel like I am back at Kitty Hawk saying, "Now it is only a matter of
time, men WILL FLY THE EARTH AS EAGLES!" grin

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

[snip]

Im convinced that events in the future will prove us right. Today we
have a "bloat the numbers at any cost" game which is doomed to
backfire
eventually. The big question is how badly it will backfire and how
much
damage will have been be done before it happens. The history of this
country over last couple decades is chock full of eamples of backing
away from failed giveaways. It's only a matter of time until ham
radio
gets it's turn.



The "bloat the numbers at any cost" will backfire for the simple
reason that too many with no real interest will get in and then drop
out.

Easy one Dee, cuz I think that is just what happened recently!


Then we will see once again a decline in numbers that will panic
people just as the relatively small drop off from the peak is
panicing people now.

The ability of middle aged and older men to become incredibly agitated
and angry about trivial things.

- Mike KB3EIA -

John Smith wrote:

Mike:

Yanno, back in the horse and buggy days--when the horse was king--same
thing--some waited with their horses for other to come to their senses
and get rid of their autos... it never happened...

I think this is very much the same where those so religiously and
historically tied to the past and what has always been will remain blind
to the fact that change is inevitable...

I know the question is not "if it will happen?" but rather, "how long is
this going to take?"

I feel like I am back at Kitty Hawk saying, "Now it is only a matter of
time, men WILL FLY THE EARTH AS EAGLES!" grin


Remember though, that there is no rule that disallows enjoyment of
heritage technology *and* more recent technology. (I hesitate to call
things like the internet, and digital modes as cutting edge - they are not)

I spend a lot of my hobby time doing psk31, using antenna design
programs, and I am starting to fool around with tube equipment as a lark
too. It's all good, man! 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

Michael:

Exactly... nothing is a "whole world onto itself."

There are just different points of views and interests/goals. How one
discusses the subjects eventually draws a picture of the authors
minds--some have only self-serving interests and goals in mind and are
not interested in anything else--some are willing to look at the bigger
picture, plan for the future and try to encompass everyone in the future
plans and goals...

Hey, it is a free country...

John

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:

Mike:

Yanno, back in the horse and buggy days--when the horse was
king--same thing--some waited with their horses for other to come to
their senses and get rid of their autos... it never happened...

I think this is very much the same where those so religiously and
historically tied to the past and what has always been will remain
blind to the fact that change is inevitable...

I know the question is not "if it will happen?" but rather, "how long
is this going to take?"

I feel like I am back at Kitty Hawk saying, "Now it is only a matter
of time, men WILL FLY THE EARTH AS EAGLES!" grin


Remember though, that there is no rule that disallows enjoyment of
heritage technology *and* more recent technology. (I hesitate to call
things like the internet, and digital modes as cutting edge - they are
not)

I spend a lot of my hobby time doing psk31, using antenna design
programs, and I am starting to fool around with tube equipment as a
lark too. It's all good, man! 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -