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Leo wrote:
With regard to your second point, though - 'obsessive' wouldn't refer to Jim's 'treatment' of Len - it is in the relentless pursuit of proving the individual wrong that we would find the true definition of the word. I disagree! I am simply persistent. I offer strong opposition to some of the errors of fact and reasoning presented here by Len and others. Len gets all upset by that, and attacks the messenger (me). Is it unacceptable behaviour for me to be persistent about getting some things right (such as whether or not Novices and Advanceds can renew and modify their licenses without retesting)? I can't control someone else's posting of information and reasoning that is in error. But I can refute it with facts and clear logic, and resources permit I do just that. Hardly obsessive, IMHO. You were quite persistent in coming up with proof that I was mistaken about the use of the word "feldwebel". It's clear that the person to whom that rank was attributed never held it. Was that "obsessive" on your part? I don't think so, just persistence in getting something right. 73 (to all hams) de Jim, N2EY |
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From: Leo on Jun 21, 6:54 pm
On 21 Jun 2005 09:13:41 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: With regard to your second point, though - 'obsessive' wouldn't refer to Jim's 'treatment' of Len - it is in the relentless pursuit of proving the individual wrong that we would find the true definition of the word. I disagree! There you go - you've finally got it! You've been disagreeing to no avail for eight years here, on and on and on - that's the problem! Just 11 more steps to go! Antabuse might be quicker...? :-) I am simply persistent. Or persistently simple. Time will tell! ![]() Obsessively persistent? :-) I offer strong opposition to some of the errors of fact and reasoning presented here by Len and others. Oh, that's nice. How's that working out for you? Changed anybody's mind lately? :-) [with all that "parenting" he implies he's had you'd think he changed SOMETHING at one time...] Len gets all upset by that, and attacks the messenger (me). You don't really believe that, do you? You're not the entertainer - you're the entertainment! He pokes and prods, and you sing and dance - been that way for 8 long years now. "Poke, poke, prod, prod, oh what a fun it is," sang Seltzer. Is it unacceptable behaviour for me to be persistent about getting some things right (such as whether or not Novices and Advanceds can renew and modify their licenses without retesting)? I submit that those who need to know the correct answer to those types of questions probably already do - if they are actually interested in the answer, then they would listen. The rest might just be pushing your buttons.....for fun.....y'think? Nahhhhhh..... :-) Let me guess - you opted out of Psych 101 at good ol' Dreidel U too, didn't you? ![]() ? I can't control someone else's posting of information and reasoning that is in error. But I can refute it with facts and clear logic, and resources permit I do just that. Hardly obsessive, IMHO. You can only control your own postings. You may also refute and argue points. That is not obsesssive. To do so fruitlessly for eight years, on a nearly weekly basis, is very likely just - weeeelll - a tad obsessive.....! LOL! Nahhhhhh..... :-) You were quite persistent in coming up with proof that I was mistaken about the use of the word "feldwebel". It's clear that the person to whom that rank was attributed never held it. Was that "obsessive" on your part? I don't think so, just persistence in getting something right. In a way, yes. I asked you several times if being correct was important to you. You replied that it was. I asked if being correct was very important to you. You replied that it was. I confirmed this again, and you agreed that it was very important to you. So, I spent about 20 minutes on Google and provided you with the correct info and a few references for you to read. That's what you said that you wanted - and that's what I provided. Obsessive? No. Persistent? Not really - it wasn't a lot of work - and I knew the correct answers before Googling the references - so I wouldn't say persistent exactly. However - If I kept doing it every week or so for eight years, with no success, over and over again - yup, that might be a problem - I'd be wondering if some parts fell off the ol' brainpan on a curve a ways back there or something..... I suspect it could be summed-up simply: "They are always right!" [that kind of says it all...maybe...] Or: "Leggo my ego!" [and I'm not 'waffling' around :-) ] Twenty years doing this kind of computer-modem communications and it is endlessly fascinating to watch the egos jumping up and down in high agitation! Everyone always "right" and everyone else always "wrong!" 73 (to all hams) de Jim, N2EY 73, Leo (is it just me, or is there a diss aimed at me again in ol' Jim's sig above? heh heh) Heh heh heh heh heh..... |
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Len:
Don't know about you, but this bunch is driving me to drink... let's go have a beer! evil-grin John wrote in message ups.com... From: Leo on Jun 21, 6:54 pm On 21 Jun 2005 09:13:41 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: With regard to your second point, though - 'obsessive' wouldn't refer to Jim's 'treatment' of Len - it is in the relentless pursuit of proving the individual wrong that we would find the true definition of the word. I disagree! There you go - you've finally got it! You've been disagreeing to no avail for eight years here, on and on and on - that's the problem! Just 11 more steps to go! Antabuse might be quicker...? :-) I am simply persistent. Or persistently simple. Time will tell! ![]() Obsessively persistent? :-) I offer strong opposition to some of the errors of fact and reasoning presented here by Len and others. Oh, that's nice. How's that working out for you? Changed anybody's mind lately? :-) [with all that "parenting" he implies he's had you'd think he changed SOMETHING at one time...] Len gets all upset by that, and attacks the messenger (me). You don't really believe that, do you? You're not the entertainer - you're the entertainment! He pokes and prods, and you sing and dance - been that way for 8 long years now. "Poke, poke, prod, prod, oh what a fun it is," sang Seltzer. Is it unacceptable behaviour for me to be persistent about getting some things right (such as whether or not Novices and Advanceds can renew and modify their licenses without retesting)? I submit that those who need to know the correct answer to those types of questions probably already do - if they are actually interested in the answer, then they would listen. The rest might just be pushing your buttons.....for fun.....y'think? Nahhhhhh..... :-) Let me guess - you opted out of Psych 101 at good ol' Dreidel U too, didn't you? ![]() ? I can't control someone else's posting of information and reasoning that is in error. But I can refute it with facts and clear logic, and resources permit I do just that. Hardly obsessive, IMHO. You can only control your own postings. You may also refute and argue points. That is not obsesssive. To do so fruitlessly for eight years, on a nearly weekly basis, is very likely just - weeeelll - a tad obsessive.....! LOL! Nahhhhhh..... :-) You were quite persistent in coming up with proof that I was mistaken about the use of the word "feldwebel". It's clear that the person to whom that rank was attributed never held it. Was that "obsessive" on your part? I don't think so, just persistence in getting something right. In a way, yes. I asked you several times if being correct was important to you. You replied that it was. I asked if being correct was very important to you. You replied that it was. I confirmed this again, and you agreed that it was very important to you. So, I spent about 20 minutes on Google and provided you with the correct info and a few references for you to read. That's what you said that you wanted - and that's what I provided. Obsessive? No. Persistent? Not really - it wasn't a lot of work - and I knew the correct answers before Googling the references - so I wouldn't say persistent exactly. However - If I kept doing it every week or so for eight years, with no success, over and over again - yup, that might be a problem - I'd be wondering if some parts fell off the ol' brainpan on a curve a ways back there or something..... I suspect it could be summed-up simply: "They are always right!" [that kind of says it all...maybe...] Or: "Leggo my ego!" [and I'm not 'waffling' around :-) ] Twenty years doing this kind of computer-modem communications and it is endlessly fascinating to watch the egos jumping up and down in high agitation! Everyone always "right" and everyone else always "wrong!" 73 (to all hams) de Jim, N2EY 73, Leo (is it just me, or is there a diss aimed at me again in ol' Jim's sig above? heh heh) Heh heh heh heh heh..... |
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From: John Smith on Jun 21, 10:08 pm
Len: Don't know about you, but this bunch is driving me to drink... let's go have a beer! evil-grin John wrote in message oups.com... Thanks for the invite, John, but I already have a date with a gal from East McKeesport to go out to the junkyard and watch the cars rust...gonna be an exciting evening! :-) Well, it's either than or watch my hard disk defrag. Either one is more exciting than this "discussion" about late leaders of a national socialist partei or the Pennsylvanians are always right, no matter what! Epoxy is curing in the workshop. Maybe I'll go in there and watch it set up instead... |
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Len:
That girl you are taking out, does she have a sister with most of her teeth still? If so, I got a bottle of vodka and some orange juice--we could make it four-some!!! Gawd, been awhile since I have seen cars rust up close! Any still have some backseats in 'em? grin John wrote in message oups.com... From: John Smith on Jun 21, 10:08 pm Len: Don't know about you, but this bunch is driving me to drink... let's go have a beer! evil-grin John wrote in message roups.com... Thanks for the invite, John, but I already have a date with a gal from East McKeesport to go out to the junkyard and watch the cars rust...gonna be an exciting evening! :-) Well, it's either than or watch my hard disk defrag. Either one is more exciting than this "discussion" about late leaders of a national socialist partei or the Pennsylvanians are always right, no matter what! Epoxy is curing in the workshop. Maybe I'll go in there and watch it set up instead... |
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From: "John Smith" on Tues 21 Jun 2005 23:20
Len: That girl you are taking out, does she have a sister with most of her teeth still? If so, I got a bottle of vodka and some orange juice--we could make it four-some!!! Gawd, been awhile since I have seen cars rust up close! Any still have some backseats in 'em? grin Heh heh heh...I'm just waiting around to see who takes my message and yours seriously. :-) Some WILL and they will want to word-fight at the drop of a keystroke! :-) A few others will become quietly enraged and demand SERIOUSNESS in responses...which are those wonderful irregulars in here who take themselves wayyyyy too seriously. :-) |
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From: Leo on Jun 21, 11:51 pm
On 21 Jun 2005 17:02:04 -0700, wrote: From: Leo on Jun 21, 6:54 pm On 21 Jun 2005 09:13:41 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: There you go - you've finally got it! You've been disagreeing to no avail for eight years here, on and on and on - that's the problem! Just 11 more steps to go! Antabuse might be quicker...? :-) Hmmm - I wonder if there's a Usenet version of that! ![]() Hardly, ARPA's original USENET was the start of it all! I saw it begin, clickety-clacking on a Model 33 wasting lots of paper (that a corporation bought). Pages of sound and fury signifying nothing much. Incurable mental disease infecting all terminals! I am simply persistent. Or persistently simple. Time will tell! ![]() Obsessively persistent? :-) That works too! OK. "Poke, poke, prod, prod, oh what a fun it is," sang Seltzer. Heh - I remember those commercials - good rewrite! Alka-Seltzer would cure one headache, then induce millions to have more with that commercial! It should still be in the collection of famous commercials over at the Television Academy on Lankershim Blvd in North Hollywood. Haven't been there for a while... I submit that those who need to know the correct answer to those types of questions probably already do - if they are actually interested in the answer, then they would listen. The rest might just be pushing your buttons.....for fun.....y'think? Nahhhhhh..... :-) Nahhhh - you're right. I didn't think so either! ![]() nodding in agreement Nudge, nudge, wink, wink... Let me guess - you opted out of Psych 101 at good ol' Dreidel U too, didn't you? ![]() ? It's from another reply in this thread - made more sense back there, I reckon! Got it! :-) Didn't see the previous post until this download arrived in my mail box from Google. [Oy veh, I wasn't wearing my yarmulke...] To do so fruitlessly for eight years, on a nearly weekly basis, is very likely just - weeeelll - a tad obsessive.....! LOL! Nahhhhhh..... :-) Not even a teensy bit? ![]() Not for a boneheadedly stubborn true morse Believer fedayin! I liken it to an excrutiatingly slow "suicide bomber" act. Only thing is, only the "bomber" will destruct. It's like that Opel (?) TV ad that was circulating around the net, the one demonstrating the "great German engineering!" Funny! However - If I kept doing it every week or so for eight years, with no success, over and over again - yup, that might be a problem - I'd be wondering if some parts fell off the ol' brainpan on a curve a ways back there or something..... I suspect it could be summed-up simply: "They are always right!" [that kind of says it all...maybe...] Something pretty compelling drives this sort of behaviour - that's probably the seed, all right! "R U Siriusly" speaking (I'm a fan of Brewster Rockit, Space Guy), it's the time-space insulation of the simplex communications via computer-modem medium. Nearly everyone beginning that sort of comms takes every word on the screen at face value...at first. Some figure out that they can actually say ANYTHING they want in a message (especially with no moderator there to censor them) and they go bananas. They can say anything without fear of reprisal. It's amazing the false courage these mighty message warriors display! :-) Or: "Leggo my ego!" [and I'm not 'waffling' around :-) ] Ouch! ![]() The pun is mightier than the sword? :-) "When puns are outlawed, only outlaws will have puns!" etc. Twenty years doing this kind of computer-modem communications and it is endlessly fascinating to watch the egos jumping up and down in high agitation! Everyone always "right" and everyone else always "wrong!" That pretty much sums up my experience over the last twenty years online as well - unlike in real life arguements - things are very black-or-white in the newsgroups.....with little compromise. Didn't seem quite as bad on the BBS systems, though - Usenet really seems to bring out the big egos. YMMV, of course! No moderator present. All can drop their social conventions and BE "all that they can (imagine) be." War heroes, sex kittens, "doctors" (with PhDs from a correspondence "college"), all kinds of better-than-everyone-else! :-) As a co-sysop on a "social" BBS, actually a couple of them, there was a chance to meet the real person in-person and find out some were really what they said they were while others were totally unlike their screen personna or just total flake faux pas-sers. Lots of stories on that subject in this ultimate geographical collection of really-real hams (in entertainment industry). :-) I find it continually amazing what people will argue over - or how passionate they'll get over the most simple and unimportant issue. I'm sure that there's a group somewhere on Usenet where death threats are exchanged over whether rotary dial phones are superior to TouchTone phones... ![]() Can you imagine if real-life arguements played out like some of the ones in this little alternate reality? Somebody would end up doing some time for assault...or worse... Actually I was once quite close to a real-life argument going on live. Was along one side of a mini-mall in Burbank, CA, that had the local HRO outlet (now moved to the other side). Two hams (apparently) were into the finger-in-the-chest sort of fight foreplay when I passed close to them with some finished dry-cleaning (neatly wrapped). Not wanting to go through the dry-clean cycle again, I avoided the heating-up situation. A third (ham?) guy came out and spoke to both and I drove off to home without seeing any fracas. Something about "sub-bands" and individual license classes seemed to be the main thesis of the testosterone-adrenaline-pumping exchange. Once, on a social BBS, a group of "avenger" males decided to "change the mind" of a womanizing schmuck. They did and said schmuck later departed for other sites of conquest. Younger type males, one a reservist (military) helo driver. Heard from him what went down. Not pretty. But here, in Fantasyland (not the one near you - this one...heh heh), everyone feels safe and secure, so the inhibitions drop. Look at the folks wrassling with some tool in another thread here for the last few days, for example - if that 'discussion' took place in a bar, he'd probably be waking up in Emergency somewhere early tomorrow morning. But, because it's here, and that possibility doesn't exist, it's no holds barred. Even the most bookish guy is Tyson when he's on here.....ding ding! It's like a real macho tuffy sauntering into a bar and announcing "he'll lick any man in the joint!" All the patrons smile in his direction. Doesn't realize he walked into a gay bar... Funny thing is - people are trying to convince the guy that he's wrong, or heartless, or insensitive, or cruel - duh, it's obviously intentional trolling, but somehow, that got missed by several otherwise savvy folks..... Guess some peoples' radar doesn't work when the face-to-face interpersonal aspect is isolated from the conversation. I liken it to morse code mode communications. Monotonic arrhythmic tone bursts representing words and phrases. NO tone of voice clues, no real emotion, no body language clue, just the beeping. The beeper could be male, female, or some unknown species...no way to tell for sure. Some hams say they "make lifelong friends this way." OK for them, but that's a bit like buying a used car sight unseen. I will probably never fully understand the psychology of this..... Ah, but the field observation can be totally fascinating! :-) But, I suppose, as Barnum said..."There's a sucker born every minute." Er, you weren't IN that bar I mentioned, were you? He's doing it - I know he is..... and he knows that I know he's doing it too ![]() Tsk, tsk. :-) Oh well - that's enough bashing at this for now....have a great evening, Len! Thank you and you too. Re-runs on the tube now that summer ist a cumin' in, and HBO hasn't got anything tonight that we haven't seen. :-( |
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