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June 28th 05, 03:12 AM
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Leo wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? Then what do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? And your suggestion is? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? In a word: No. It's not rather obvious, Leo. Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be? It's not about simplification, Leo. It's about clarity. Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. You must decide. Why? What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. You're begging the question, Leo. This is your potential future reality. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Owned or free. That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! You must decide! Why? Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right?  Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. Good luck! Be seeing you. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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#3
June 28th 05, 06:48 PM
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From: on Mon 27 Jun 2005 19:12
Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? not to those who cannot see What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? billboard displays too small What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? we try for Mt. Rushmore size What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? maybe do some crop circles What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? two-page ads in QST? Then what do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? new reading glasses might help What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? we send obvious in morse? What do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? yawn What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz What do you suggest I do, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? ... What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? still at it? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? yup, drain is still clogged And your suggestion is? Isn't that rather obvious? call Roto-Rooter! What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? use Bangalore Torpedo? In a word: No. It's not rather obvious, Leo. excavate, dump in lye, cover... Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be? It's not about simplification, Leo. It's about clarity. Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. Give up eating those crackers, polly. You get repetitious. Makes your cage all crumby. You must decide. Why? Tsk, tsk, all you're doing in here is "busy work" writing many words (over and over again) without doing any deciding. :-) Decide, decide, that is not the question. - Ham-let What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Tsk. Only Jimmie speak "truth," "facts" from QTH on Mount Olympus...while he make babble, babble like motel proprietor in "Psycho." He parent too many children... Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. Tsk, be a MAN and admit defeat. You've LOST these rounds a few go-arounds ago. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. You're begging the question, Leo. Tsk, tsk. YOU were begging for solutions before, now you can't implement any? Not MANLY! NO decision! This is your potential future reality. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Decide for YOURSELF. If you cannot, quit. Simple. Owned or free. That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. No, just your opinion. Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? Grasshopper doesn't understand the world does not revolve around him. Tsk. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. You can't. You feel obsessed, compelled to continue deep denial of anything wrong. Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! You have a "condition," and that is true. :-) You must decide! Why? Only YOU can stop yourself before it is too late. Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? "Wise we are," said Yoda, "Know we will when comes the time." How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. They were all spelled out. In English. English English. What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. We are all AI constructs living in your computer, out to do you harm in public. All we are the same. Good luck! Be seeing you. "Worry not," said Yoda, "'Decisions for Dummies' mailed it will be to you, plain brown wrapper in." May the Farce be with you, grasshopper. |
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#4
June 29th 05, 03:24 AM
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On 28 Jun 2005 10:48:49 -0700, wrote:
From: on Mon 27 Jun 2005 19:12 Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? not to those who cannot see What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? billboard displays too small What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? we try for Mt. Rushmore size What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? maybe do some crop circles What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? two-page ads in QST? Then what do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? new reading glasses might help What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? we send obvious in morse? What do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? yawn What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz What do you suggest I do, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? ... What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? still at it? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? yup, drain is still clogged And your suggestion is? Isn't that rather obvious? call Roto-Rooter! What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? use Bangalore Torpedo? In a word: No. It's not rather obvious, Leo. excavate, dump in lye, cover... Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be? It's not about simplification, Leo. It's about clarity. Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. Give up eating those crackers, polly. You get repetitious. Makes your cage all crumby. You must decide. Why? Tsk, tsk, all you're doing in here is "busy work" writing many words (over and over again) without doing any deciding. :-) Decide, decide, that is not the question. - Ham-let What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Tsk. Only Jimmie speak "truth," "facts" from QTH on Mount Olympus...while he make babble, babble like motel proprietor in "Psycho." He parent too many children... Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. Tsk, be a MAN and admit defeat. You've LOST these rounds a few go-arounds ago. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. You're begging the question, Leo. Tsk, tsk. YOU were begging for solutions before, now you can't implement any? Not MANLY! NO decision! This is your potential future reality. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Decide for YOURSELF. If you cannot, quit. Simple. Owned or free. That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. No, just your opinion. Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? Grasshopper doesn't understand the world does not revolve around him. Tsk. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. You can't. You feel obsessed, compelled to continue deep denial of anything wrong. Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! You have a "condition," and that is true. :-) You must decide! Why? Only YOU can stop yourself before it is too late. Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? "Wise we are," said Yoda, "Know we will when comes the time." How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. They were all spelled out. In English. English English. What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. We are all AI constructs living in your computer, out to do you harm in public. All we are the same. Good luck! Be seeing you. "Worry not," said Yoda, "'Decisions for Dummies' mailed it will be to you, plain brown wrapper in." May the Farce be with you, grasshopper. He must decide. Owned - or free! 73, Leo |
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#5
June 29th 05, 09:37 PM
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From: Leo on Tues 28 Jun 2005 22:30
On 28 Jun 2005 10:50:28 -0700, wrote: From: Leo on Mon 27 Jun 2005 21:52 On 27 Jun 2005 15:37:43 -0700, "bb" wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Grasshopper, snatch this pebble from my hand. Ah - the journey of 1,000 miles begins with but a single step. He must decide. Why? :-) Et tu, Brute? No, just et one. I'm on a diet to avoid sharp foods... He must decide. Owned - or free. His is not to question why, his is to obey the league or die... In the words of the immortal Caine (in the spirit of the many Kung Fu references of late...) "If a man sees a wrong and does nothing, how can he still call himself a man?" Only if the show's sponsor is Viagra. :-) David Carradine lives in the horse country of Lake View Terrace somewhat close to my neighborhood. I'll ask him if I happen to see him in the barbershop getting his hair lengthened. :-) Actually, speaking of show biz, I think Jimmie is an LAPD Reservist equivalent, busy bee being a semi-pro Political Reservist out to maintain the status quo at all costs. It sure seems that way to me. His automobile probably has the ARRL diamond on it with the phrase "To protect and serve" printed under it. Anyone who doesn't defend the Standards and Practices HE bought into over three decades ago is a "bell ringer": WRRRONNNNGGGGG. WRRRRRONNNNNGGGGGG......WRRRONNNNNGGGGG......WRRRO NNNNGGGGGgggggg. "The hills are alive with the sound of wrrronnnggging..." England has Big Ben. This newsgroup has big jim. Every blessed day... |
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#6
June 28th 05, 09:15 PM
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You must decide! Why? You decide everytime you post, you can't avoid it Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? He may not, nor is it required that he does, How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. He has What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. He is not required to indeed he lacks the information you require only you have it within yourself Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. Good luck! Be seeing you. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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#7
June 29th 05, 03:56 AM
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On 27 Jun 2005 19:12:17 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: snip Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. Option 1 or Option 2. You must decide! You must decide. Why? You must. What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Not at all. Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. Not at all. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. You're begging the question, Leo. I am begging the answer. Decide! This is your potential future reality. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Um - decision is an action. Decide! Owned or free. That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. Owned or free - Decide! Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? You must. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. Hopefully I was incorrect. Decide! Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! Which only you can overcome. Decide! You must decide! Why? You must. Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? That is the simplest task of all. Should you choose Option 2, it will be immediately apparent to all. Should you continue down the current path, then you have chosen to remail with Option 1. Equally apparent to all. You must decide! How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. The options have been spelled out quite clearly above. Option 1. Status Quo. Owned. And Option 2. Change. Free. What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Decide! Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. Not at all! Good luck! Be seeing you. Um - shouldn't that be BCNU? 73 de Jim, N2EY 44, Leo |
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June 29th 05, 10:34 AM
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Leo wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 19:12:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: snip Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. Option 1 or Option 2. Those are not concrete actions. You must decide! You must decide. You must. You sound like the chimes of Big Ben. What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's called trolling. You're saying I should not respond to Len's trolls. In other words, you suggest that I shut up. But you can't bring yourself to write clearly and plainly, choosing to gussy up your words with psychobabble. What you fail to notice is that Len dances at the ends of others' strings far more. And that while I write the truth, he inserts mistakes (intentional or otherwise) to bait others into responding. Look at the number of posts I have made in this thread. Or other threads. Compare to the number made in response to me. There's also the organ grinder's red-hatted monkey who will do almost anything for attention. Including misquotes of others. Now you'll say that's not the point. And perhaps in your fantasy, it isn't. That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Not at all. I have decided that it is. Simple as A, B and C Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. Not at all. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. "resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right" = shut up. That's what you're telling me to do. You could just be clear about it. But that's not your way. You're begging the question, Leo. I am begging the answer. Decide! This is your potential future reality. Many Happy Returns So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Um - decision is an action. Decide! Owned or free. Yet you quote Caine and the stuff about a man not being silent. That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. Owned or free - Decide! Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? You must. Says who? The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. Hopefully I was incorrect. Decide! Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! Which only you can overcome. You want me to shut up. That is clear. You dress it up in fancy terms but that's what it comes down to. Decide! You must decide! Why? You must. No, I don't. Free For All. Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? That is the simplest task of all. Should you choose Option 2, it will be immediately apparent to all. Should you continue down the current path, then you have chosen to remail with Option 1. Equally apparent to all. You must decide! Option 1 - Speak out against incorrect information (even though it's probably a troll) Option 2 - Shut up How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. That would require Leo to be responsible.. The options have been spelled out quite clearly above. Option 1. Status Quo. Owned. = Speak out against incorrect information And Option 2. Change. Free. = Shut up What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Decide! Perhaps you are talking about yourself *and* Len. Suppose you are correct, and Len's purpose is to Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. Not at all! If you *were*, that's how you'd respond. If you *weren't*, that's how you'd respond. Good luck! Be seeing you. Um - shouldn't that be BCNU? No. You don't get the reference, I see. Pity. 73 de Jim, N2EY 44, Leo "I am not a number! I am a free man" |
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#9
June 29th 05, 11:32 PM
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On 29 Jun 2005 02:34:17 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 19:12:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: snip Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. Option 1 or Option 2. Those are not concrete actions. To, Sir, they are quite obviously not. They are choices! Decision is a concrete action. In this case, your decision. Your action. You must decide! You must decide. You must. You sound like the chimes of Big Ben. When text is displayed upon a monitor, or uopn a page, does it make a sound? Most assuredly not. Tinnitus, perhaps? What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's called trolling. You're saying I should not respond to Len's trolls. In other words, you suggest that I shut up. But you can't bring yourself to write clearly and plainly, choosing to gussy up your words with psychobabble. What you fail to notice is that Len dances at the ends of others' strings far more. And that while I write the truth, he inserts mistakes (intentional or otherwise) to bait others into responding. Look at the number of posts I have made in this thread. Or other threads. Compare to the number made in response to me. There's also the organ grinder's red-hatted monkey who will do almost anything for attention. Including misquotes of others. Now you'll say that's not the point. And perhaps in your fantasy, it isn't. Please try to stay focussed. Everything is not about Len. Does he possess you so completely that your world revolves around him? Break free. Decide. That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Not at all. I have decided that it is. Simple as A, B and C Not at all. Think harder. Use your education. And focus. There are only two choices available to you. A and B. Option 1 - or Option 2. There is no C. Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. Not at all. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. "resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right" = shut up. That is quite an oversimplification, Jim. Resisting the temptation to be suckered in to responding to a post designed with the intent of making you jump would require the discipline of refusing to respond, and the wisdom to recognize the need.. Do you have that discipline, Jim? The wisdom? Can you resist the temptation to respond? Do you possess the inner strength? Not so far. Not in the past - but perhaps in future. Perhaps today! Decide - Owned or Free. Polish - or Avoid. That's what you're telling me to do. You could just be clear about it. But that's not your way. It cannot be simplified any further, Jim. Owned - or Free. Decide. You're begging the question, Leo. I am begging the answer. Decide! This is your potential future reality. Many Happy Returns Focus, Jim. Option 1. Or Option 2. Continue - or Change. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Um - decision is an action. Decide! Owned or free. Yet you quote Caine and the stuff about a man not being silent. (Forgetting for a moment that Caine was a make-believe person in a TV show rife with pseudo-wise Eastern philosophical sayings...) That quote did not apply to your situation. It referenced 'wrong' in more of a human sense - i.e. someone doing 'wrong' to others. Intervening - i.e. 'correcting the wrong', was to stop the actions of the perpetrator of said wrong, thereby protecting the perpetrator (bu getting suckered every time) and the victim (of the resultant bashing). Caine could not help you - he would be too confused. Your current situation requires a different metaphor: "A man walking along discovers a turd in the middle of his path. What should he do? If he is wise, he would step around it and go along his way. But, if he should pick it up and begin polishing it, in the expectation that it would somehow gain value as a result of his effort, he would be quite foolish indeed." Polish - or Avoid. Option 1 - or Option 2. You must decide! That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. Owned or free - Decide! Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? You must. Says who? There is no option. If you continue on the current path, then you have chosen Option 1. Things continue as they are. You remain owned. If you elect to change, then you have chosen Option 2. You become free. You must decide! The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. Hopefully I was incorrect. Decide! Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! Which only you can overcome. You want me to shut up. That is clear. You dress it up in fancy terms but that's what it comes down to. Do you possess the discipline which you will require in order to avoid responding to each and every taunt and tease posted to annoy you? Do you possess the wisdom to see things as they are, and recognize a need for change? I see little evidence so far - but there is hope. Look within. Think. And Decide! Decide! You must decide! Why? You must. No, I don't. There is no choice. Continue - or Change. You must decide! Free For All. Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? That is the simplest task of all. Should you choose Option 2, it will be immediately apparent to all. Should you continue down the current path, then you have chosen to remail with Option 1. Equally apparent to all. You must decide! Option 1 - Speak out against incorrect information (even though it's probably a troll) Correct. Option 2 - Shut up Oversimplification, as discussed above. How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. That would require Leo to be responsible.. That would relieve you of your requirement to think. The options have been spelled out quite clearly above. Option 1. Status Quo. Owned. = Speak out against incorrect information Correct. And Option 2. Change. Free. = Shut up Oversimplification, as discussed above. What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Decide! Perhaps you are talking about yourself *and* Len. Focus. Everything is not about Len. Suppose you are correct, and Len's purpose is to Focus. Everything is not about Len. And try to start what you finish. Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. Not at all! If you *were*, that's how you'd respond. If you *weren't*, that's how you'd respond. Hmmm - now that's a Masters - level analysis of the issue. Thanks for narrowing this one down for us, Jim! Good luck! Be seeing you. Um - shouldn't that be BCNU? No. You don't get the reference, I see. Pity. I ignored it. This is a serious matter. Not TV. And hold on to that pity - you may well be in need of it. When you decide. 73 de Jim, N2EY 44, Leo "I am not a number! I am a free man" Well, no. At the moment, you are at a crossroads. To be free, you must decide. Status quo - or change. 44, Leo |
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Leo wrote:
On 29 Jun 2005 02:34:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 19:12:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: snip Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. Option 1 or Option 2. Those are not concrete actions. To, Sir, they are quite obviously not. They are choices! Decision is a concrete action. In this case, your decision. Your action. You must decide! You must decide. You must. You sound like the chimes of Big Ben. When text is displayed upon a monitor, or uopn a page, does it make a sound? Most assuredly not. Tinnitus, perhaps? You missed the reference completely, then. What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's called trolling. You're saying I should not respond to Len's trolls. In other words, you suggest that I shut up. But you can't bring yourself to write clearly and plainly, choosing to gussy up your words with psychobabble. What you fail to notice is that Len dances at the ends of others' strings far more. And that while I write the truth, he inserts mistakes (intentional or otherwise) to bait others into responding. Look at the number of posts I have made in this thread. Or other threads. Compare to the number made in response to me. There's also the organ grinder's red-hatted monkey who will do almost anything for attention. Including misquotes of others. Now you'll say that's not the point. And perhaps in your fantasy, it isn't. Please try to stay focussed. The word is spelled "focused". Everything is not about Len. That is correct! Does he possess you so completely that your world revolves around him? No one "possesses" me, Leo. Break free. Decide. Why? That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Not at all. I have decided that it is. Simple as A, B and C Not at all. Think harder. Use your education. And focus. There are only two choices available to you. Says who? A and B. Option 1 - or Option 2. There is no C. There's always a C. Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. Not at all. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. "resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right" = shut up. That is quite an oversimplification, Jim. How, Leo? If I respond to Len in any way, you say I have taken Option 1. Therefore the only way to take Option 2 is for me to shut up. All your blathering psychobabble comes down to your trying to tell me to shut up without using those words. Resisting the temptation to be suckered in to responding to a post designed with the intent of making you jump would require the discipline of refusing to respond, and the wisdom to recognize the need.. Which is what I do, most of the time. Just not all of the time. To satisfy your criteria for Option 2, I'd have to pretty much stop posting here. In fact, it seems to me that perhaps *you* are posting here with the intent of making me "jump".... Do you have that discipline, Jim? The wisdom? Sure. Do you? Can you resist the temptation to respond? Do you possess the inner strength? Not so far. Not in the past - but perhaps in future. Perhaps today! Decide - Owned or Free. Polish - or Avoid. I'm not Polish. That's what you're telling me to do. You could just be clear about it. But that's not your way. It cannot be simplified any further, Jim. Sure it can: the two words "shut up" Owned - or Free. Speak out - or Shut Up. That's what it means. Decide. You're begging the question, Leo. I am begging the answer. Decide! This is your potential future reality. Many Happy Returns Focus, Jim. You really should get out more, Leo. Option 1. Or Option 2. Continue - or Change. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Um - decision is an action. Decide! Owned or free. Yet you quote Caine and the stuff about a man not being silent. (Forgetting for a moment that Caine was a make-believe person in a TV show rife with pseudo-wise Eastern philosophical sayings...) That quote did not apply to your situation. Why not? It referenced 'wrong' in more of a human sense - i.e. someone doing 'wrong' to others. Intentional misstatement does wrong to others. Intervening - i.e. 'correcting the wrong', was to stop the actions of the perpetrator of said wrong, thereby protecting the perpetrator (bu getting suckered every time) and the victim (of the resultant bashing). Caine could not help you - he would be too confused. What was Caine's callsign? Your current situation requires a different metaphor: "A man walking along discovers a turd in the middle of his path. What should he do? If he is wise, he would step around it and go along his way. But, if he should pick it up and begin polishing it, in the expectation that it would somehow gain value as a result of his effort, he would be quite foolish indeed." So you're saying that the posts of Len and some others here are turds. I think you have a point there! Polish - or Avoid. Option 1 - or Option 2. You must decide! That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. Owned or free - Decide! Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? You must. Says who? There is no option. There's always an option. If you continue on the current path, then you have chosen Option 1. Things continue as they are. You remain owned. If you elect to change, then you have chosen Option 2. You become free. You must decide! Speak - or shut up. That's the choice you give me. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. Hopefully I was incorrect. Decide! Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! Which only you can overcome. You want me to shut up. That is clear. You dress it up in fancy terms but that's what it comes down to. Do you possess the discipline which you will require in order to avoid responding to each and every taunt and tease posted to annoy you? I already have demonstrated that, Leo. Do you see me responding to "each and every taunt and tease"? Yes or no? Do you possess the wisdom to see things as they are, and recognize a need for change? You mean to shut up? I see little evidence so far - but there is hope. Look within. Think. And Decide! You sure are fixated on that stuff, Leo. -- Psychotics build castles in the air Neurotics live in them Shrinks collect the rent -- Decide! You must decide! Why? You must. No, I don't. There is no choice. Continue - or Change. You must decide! I've decided you want to be the landlord. Free For All. Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? That is the simplest task of all. Should you choose Option 2, it will be immediately apparent to all. Translation: shut up! Should you continue down the current path, then you have chosen to remail with Option 1. Equally apparent to all. You must decide! Option 1 - Speak out against incorrect information (even though it's probably a troll) Correct. Option 2 - Shut up Oversimplification, as discussed above. How is it an oversimplification? How else would Option 2 be chosen? What other evidence would convince you that I chose Option 2? How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. That would require Leo to be responsible.. That would relieve you of your requirement to think. I'm simply asking for a definite criteria. You won't provide it, because you know that Option 2 = shut up Is there a way I could choose Option 2 and not shut up? If so, the two are not the same. If not, the two are essentially the same thing. The options have been spelled out quite clearly above. Option 1. Status Quo. Owned. = Speak out against incorrect information Correct. So far so good. And Option 2. Change. Free. = Shut up Oversimplification, as discussed above. What other alternative exists, Leo? The opposite of "Speak out against incorrect information" is "Do not speak out against incorrect information" What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Decide! Perhaps you are talking about yourself *and* Len. Focus. Everything is not about Len. Of course not. This part is about your unwillingness to be honest. Suppose you are correct, and Len's purpose is to Focus. Everything is not about Len. And try to start what you finish. Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. Not at all! If you *were*, that's how you'd respond. If you *weren't*, that's how you'd respond. Hmmm - now that's a Masters - level analysis of the issue. Thanks for narrowing this one down for us, Jim! You soft-science types fall apart when concrete reality comes along ;-) Good luck! Be seeing you. Um - shouldn't that be BCNU? No. You don't get the reference, I see. Pity. I ignored it. This is a serious matter. To whom? Not TV. And hold on to that pity - you may well be in need of it. When you decide. 73 de Jim, N2EY 44, Leo "I am not a number! I am a free man" Well, no. At the moment, you are at a crossroads. To be free, you must decide. Status quo - or change. Speak out - or shut up. 44, Leo Who is #1? |
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