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July 13th 05, 10:50 AM

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So what's wrong with being fed bottles of Bud?

While I wouldn't turn down a Bud, I much prefer a
Yuengling Black & Tan or a Guinness Stout. Or a
Genessee Cream Ale.

Beats me, I'm not into suds.

I've begun to develop an appreciation for distilled stuff too. But it's
rare that I have the time...

As for what is fed to babies,

Ye gawds in all the years I've been lurking in this
funny-farm I can't
think of another topic having popped up which
is a far afield from the code test war. Ever. .

I didn't bring it up...

WEIRD!

Not any weirder than some of what has gone on here.

it should be remembered
that for a couple of decades in the middle of the
20th century, the "professionals" and "experts" told
us that bottle-feeding was *better* for infants than
the "old-fashioned way". The newfangled "formula"
and all the attendant apparatus was "scientific" and
"progressive", they said. Of course it took a whole
pile of hardware (bottles, sterilizer pot with lid and
bottle rack, nipples, nipple rings, seals, bottle tops,
tongs) the formula itself, and a kitchen to do all the
processing to do what "the old fashioned way" did semi-
automatically.

The "old-fashioned way" was
put down as being vaguely third-world, Luddite,
"horse and buggy" and inferior both physically
and psychologically. Moms who tried to keep the
old ways met with resistance, opposition and
insults.

Uhhh . . are you "explaining" all this to me James or what?

I'm simply pointing out what happened. I was there.

If so spare
me willya, I was raised in those days and so were my kids and
those
times spanned more than just a couple decades. Yeah there
was a bit of
hardware involved but the process was a no-brainer and it
wasn't nearly
as complicated as you've intimated. Tongs? sterilizer pot?
Bottle rack?
What? Nonsense. Never had any of 'em.

You didn't. Others did - the apparatus varied over time.

The point was that bottle-feeding was pronounced to be
"better" by the "professionals" and "experts". The "old
fashioned way" was put down, as if there was something
wrong both medically and in a vaguely Freudian way
about it.

By the way the handiest widgets
by far were the 'lectric bottle warmers. Didn't have any
friggin' pacifiers ether.

All sorts of things went into and out of fashion.

After all, the "professionals" and "experts" knew
best, right?

As if!

Yeah as if. In the first place you weren't there,

I was there. Not raising kids in the '50s and '60s but
do you think I was an unobservant illiterate only child?
I saw what was done and read the popular literature of
the times - and the past.

I was but never mind
that little detail. The bottle-feeding days were
the biggest move
forward ever in the liberation of women, especially moms.

Ya missed the point. Also the options.

Finally moms
didn't have to hover over their wee ones 24/7 and were
able to do
"radical" things like trudge off to jobs and
even short vacations
without the kid thus getting the ravenous little beasties out
of their
lives for awhile for a break for others to feed.

Like that never happened before!

I sure did my share
and so did grandparents and others.

The two problems with the current politically correct
gotta-do-the-boobs drill are (1) it puts the moms
back into the same
crippled sorts of lives the cave women lived and
(2) fathers don't have
to be bothered with the feeding so they can wander
off and be Real Men
again. Bull****. Lemmee clue you about the biggie
which has been lost.
A non-mom reapetedly having the sole responsibility for feeding an
infant is by far the second most powerful bonding force there
is.

I spent thousands of hours in that mode and looking back I
wouldn't
have missed it for all the world. My sons-in-laws have no idea what I'm
talking about when the topic comes up and the grumpy old ex
couldn't
agree more despite the fact that agreeing with me on any
subject galls
her no end.

Did the grumpy old ex have a fulltime job when the kids were small?

The point you miss is that it's not an either-or situation.

What was being pushed back in those days was bottles and
formula as being the *best* thing for babies, and the "old fashioned
way" being something to be abandoned as inferior.

What I've seen used by many families is a combination. Baby gets
Mom exclusively for about a week. Then bottles are introduced,
maybe one or two a day, with both formula and "the real thing".
Mom pumps and builds up a reserve supply in the freezer.

Result: Baby quickly gets used to a variety of feeds and feeders.
Dad and the rest of the family get to bond, Mom isn't on call 24/7 and
all the benefits of both ways are available.

What paper diapers? Don't be silly . .

Cloth has made a comeback.

In closing here James ponder this: You've spent more than
just a few
minutes rachet-jawing with my youngest.

Lovely lady, she is.

Who was 100% bottle-fed as
often as not by her daddy. What evidence do have to offer which
indicates that she'd have been better off if she'd been boob-fed
instead?

Look at the studies comparing the two methods - the old fashioned way
has a slight edge. But that's not the point. The fact is and was that
bottle/formula was pushed as *the best* way for *everyone*, and the
"old fashioned" way put down as inferior. That's a fact. The
"professional experts" were dead wrong.

Watch bottle-feeding come back again and remember where ya
heard it.

Both methods work. Combined is probably the best of all worlds in most
cases. Depends on the situation and the family.

But it doesn't have to be one or the other 100%.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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