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wrote Where did the B+ come from? Dynamotor, vibrator, batteries? I have no idea. To a preteen farm kid the B+ came from getting a good score on a history test. What did I know about dynamotors? 73, de Hans, K0HB |
wrote in Ye gawds Hans, no 115vac until you were 8-9 years old??! That would have been in the 1958-59 timeframe and REA had just gotten to your neighborhood then?? WTF . . ?!! Or were you in Guatemala?? We got REA in the summer of 1954 when I was 14 years old. Running water too. (I was 8 or 9 when I learned Morse.) 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"KØHB" wrote in message link.net... "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote Just curious, what did you use for a BFO to copy Morse? Hey, I was a pre-teen kid, not a ham. Didn't know WTF was a BFO, but if you held a finger on the metal skin of the third tube from the right in back the Morse would be heard as a sort of buzzy hum. Worked for me and my brother. 73, de Hans, K0HB Nice attempt to spin an answer Hans but no cigar. Did you ever try that "metal skin" thing down at the Legion Hall? |
"KØHB" wrote in message link.net... wrote Where did the B+ come from? Dynamotor, vibrator, batteries? I have no idea. To a preteen farm kid the B+ came from getting a good score on a history test. What did I know about dynamotors? 73, de Hans, K0HB Looks like Buzz nailed you again Hans, and don't try to change the subject to school work. |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in Ye gawds Hans, no 115vac until you were 8-9 years old??! That would have been in the 1958-59 timeframe and REA had just gotten to your neighborhood then?? WTF . . ?!! Or were you in Guatemala?? We got REA in the summer of 1954 when I was 14 years old. Running water too. (I was 8 or 9 when I learned Morse.) 73, de Hans, K0HB Hans used to walk eight miles to school in bare feet, but when he found out Abe Lincoln had already used that line, Hans decided to become a Navy Radioman radio hero instead. |
"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote And there were 'farm' sets that worked off of 32 volts, some had vibrator power supplies but some used 32 VDC as the B+. The 32 volt systems used outlets just like 110vac outlets. Could well have been 32V --- just assumed 6V based on the batteries Dad had in the cellar. They were wired direct to the radio, not through any outlets. Radio was the only "electric" thing in the house. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"Radio Hero" wrote Hans used to walk eight miles to school in bare feet... Actually only about 3/4-mile. Wildwood School, District 28, one room grades 1-8, but rarely kids in every grade, average enrollment about 10 kids. Teacher was Mrs. Isabelle Schneider. At 9th grade you went to "town school" on a yellow bus. During blizzards the bus didn't take you home, so you stayed at your "storm home" --- all the farm kids were assigned one of those. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote And there were 'farm' sets that worked off of 32 volts, some had vibrator power supplies but some used 32 VDC as the B+. The 32 volt systems used outlets just like 110vac outlets. Could well have been 32V --- just assumed 6V based on the batteries Dad had in the cellar. They were wired direct to the radio, not through any outlets. Radio was the only "electric" thing in the house. 73, de Hans, K0HB You are getting better Hans. That was a good spin. Play up the "unknown voltage" thing when you retell the story at the Legion Hall. |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Radio Hero" wrote Hans used to walk eight miles to school in bare feet... Actually only about 3/4-mile. Wildwood School, District 28, one room grades 1-8, but rarely kids in every grade, average enrollment about 10 kids. Teacher was Mrs. Isabelle Schneider. At 9th grade you went to "town school" on a yellow bus. During blizzards the bus didn't take you home, so you stayed at your "storm home" --- all the farm kids were assigned one of those. 73, de Hans, K0HB Hmmm, not enough "action" or "Radio Hero" stuff, if you stick to this story line. When you spin this story down at the Legion Hall, work in how you saved all the kids, using a 32v hand wired radio. |
From: Michael Coslo on Thurs 30 Jun 2005 08:19
Kim wrote: "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never really wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV, anything digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc. I think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this newsgroup, except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just don't wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are pretty much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as I do anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor the tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast things in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the "idiots" on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms :o). For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So, could you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I don't think most of us feel that strongly about it. Yeah, "haters" was the wrong choice of word in retrospect. No, it wasn't "wrong." It got exactly what you wanted to get in here...more polarization on a topic already rife with polarized "opinions" and personal pontifications. It is no different than the self-ascribed "representative" of ALL radio amateurs saying a challenger "hates ham radio" when all the challenger did was dislike the opinion of the "representative." The hobby activity of amateur radio is supposedly about personal recreation of the hobbyist (which includes personal daydreams of being in a "service to the nation"...if the daydreamer is a bit over the edge). That means they get the OPTION of doing anything they want as allowed by the FCC. Ya know what? The FCC has long since abandoned any necessity of hams being required by law to show evidence of "CW" contacts in a year's time! [How about that...and...Sunnuvagun!] Every single allocated mode is perfectly optional to use at the licensee's OPTION! Isn't that "terrible!" OPTION! Why, with all the nastywords and implied impropriety of all those who do not choose the beloved, honored, revered, treasured, adored "CW," all those who don't bother with "CW" ought to turn in their ham licenses and make public apologies for not "holding tradition!" But, the olde-fahrts still shout and holler for "tradition" and demands to keep the test for "CW" that is adored, treasured, revered, honored, beloved, etc., because "that is how it should be!" [in their tight little fantasy world] Every ham, according to those olde-fahrt wunderkinder of long-ago days, MUST do good morsemanship! :-) One MUST "show dedication, etc., to the 'amateur community'" by doing as all those olde-fahrts DEMAND. ["it is only right" cry the olde-fahrts] They think they "rule." No problem. Well, one problem...no forwarding address to send all that "dedication and committment" to the "community" as required by the unwritten law... Meanwhile, the newcomers (who don't seem to count to the olde- fahrts or the league of distinguished, nearly extinguished gentlemen of Newington) are getting IN to amateur radio through the NO-CODE-TEST class. Many more than are "flocking" to the "CW faithful" churches of the lesser-day saints of "CW." They take the OPTIONS available by law. Nearly half of all ham licensees by now... Option is no failure. Continue to shun AC and keep the polarization going. Ask them pre-loaded questions. |
"mopathetic didn't camp at Dayton! CHICKEN BOY" wrote in message news:xehy40rgttpme82.290620051950@kirk... let me see-the mean age for hams is approx 65-if we add 25 years 65+25=90 since the lifespan of men is shorter than females-you are joking right have you QSO'ed with many 90 year old hams in resthomes-that must be exciting I said most of the hams I knew. I did not say the average ham. I've QSO'd with several 90+ year old hams. Who says just because they are 90+ that they are in a nursing home? Who says that they are not interesting? I had the pleasure of talking with W5BQU, who was over 100 and he was still quite sharp. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
K=D8HB wrote:
"Radio Hero" wrote Hans used to walk eight miles to school in bare feet... Actually only about 3/4-mile. Wildwood School, District 28, one room grades 1-8, but rarely kids in every grade, average enrollment about 10 kids. Teacher was Mrs. Isabelle Schneider. At 9th grade you went to "town school" on a yellow bus. During blizzards the bus didn't take you home, so you stayed at your "storm home" --- all the farm kids were assigned one of those. 3/4 mile? The schools I went to from Grades 1-12 were a mile away! Little kids took the bus; after 3rd grade or so we just walked. Grades 1-8 was uphill all the way to school but downhill all the way home. Grades 9-12 was a little rolling. We did have 110/220 VAC, though. Sidewalks too! And the RESCO store was on the way home. I still have some of the parts and books I bought there. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... an_old_friend wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. YMMV I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by ("flying behind the plane") - Mike KB3EIA - As I have mentioned before, my ex had a 70% hearing loss in each ear and tinnitus in both ears. Yet he passed the code. He just cranked the volume up and used headphones. If he can do it, anyone can. sorry yuo simply don't know what you are taking about You have no data on what to base such an assessment of degree of knowledge I may or may not have. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... an_old_friend wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. YMMV I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by ("flying behind the plane") - Mike KB3EIA - As I have mentioned before, my ex had a 70% hearing loss in each ear and tinnitus in both ears. Yet he passed the code. He just cranked the volume up and used headphones. If he can do it, anyone can. I won't deny it can be done - obviously, since my problems are similar. I doubt I'll ever be proficient at Morse though. To get an idea of what it is like for me, imagine concentrating as hard as you can on something. Can I do it? Sure. But not for extended periods. Certainly turning up the headphones helps, but the levels I use are fatiguing, and they sometimes annoy the other ops. - Mike KB3EIA - I understand that completely. If my ex was practicing code without the headphones, I had to leave not only the room, but that floor of the house. If he was using headphones, I could hear it more than well enough to copy his practice sessions. The point is that he passed the test. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... Kim wrote: "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? - Mike KB3EIA - Hi Mike: I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never really wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV, anything digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc. I think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this newsgroup, except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just don't wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are pretty much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as I do anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor the tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast things in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the "idiots" on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms :o). For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So, could you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I don't think most of us feel that strongly about it. Yeah, "haters" was the wrong choice of word in retrospect. - Mike KB3EIA - Besides that, Kim, you did what people like myself and Mike and so many others advocate. That is you took the testing in place at the time that was required for the privileges that you wanted. You didn't sit on your hands and wait for the testing procedure to change. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in Ye gawds Hans, no 115vac until you were 8-9 years old??! That would have been in the 1958-59 timeframe and REA had just gotten to your neighborhood then?? WTF . . ?!! Or were you in Guatemala?? We got REA in the summer of 1954 when I was 14 years old. Running water too. (I was 8 or 9 when I learned Morse.) 73, de Hans, K0HB There were a lot of rural areas like that. I lived on a farm in Iowa from the age of 6 months to 10 years old and there was no electricity or running water there. It was kerosene lamps and carry water from the pump. There were electrical lines in the area, just not to our farm. And from the numbers above, I see that I am about 10 years younger than Hans. Hey Hans, looks like there's a bunch of city slickers in here! Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Radio Hero" wrote Hans used to walk eight miles to school in bare feet... Actually only about 3/4-mile. Wildwood School, District 28, one room grades 1-8, but rarely kids in every grade, average enrollment about 10 kids. Teacher was Mrs. Isabelle Schneider. At 9th grade you went to "town school" on a yellow bus. During blizzards the bus didn't take you home, so you stayed at your "storm home" --- all the farm kids were assigned one of those. 73, de Hans, K0HB "Storm homes" sounds like a good idea. In our area, they just cancelled the buses and the farmers came into town on their tractors pulling wagons to get the kids home. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Radio Hero" wrote in message ... "KØHB" wrote in message link.net... "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote Just curious, what did you use for a BFO to copy Morse? Hey, I was a pre-teen kid, not a ham. Didn't know WTF was a BFO, but if you held a finger on the metal skin of the third tube from the right in back the Morse would be heard as a sort of buzzy hum. Worked for me and my brother. 73, de Hans, K0HB Nice attempt to spin an answer Hans but no cigar. Did you ever try that "metal skin" thing down at the Legion Hall? I never tried that....but I listened to the thumps in the speaker and figured out something was missing. A few years later I 'larned' about BFO's. Dan/W4NTI |
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in Ye gawds Hans, no 115vac until you were 8-9 years old??! That would have been in the 1958-59 timeframe and REA had just gotten to your neighborhood then?? WTF . . ?!! Or were you in Guatemala?? We got REA in the summer of 1954 when I was 14 years old. Running water too. (I was 8 or 9 when I learned Morse.) 73, de Hans, K0HB There were a lot of rural areas like that. I lived on a farm in Iowa from the age of 6 months to 10 years old and there was no electricity or running water there. It was kerosene lamps and carry water from the pump. There were electrical lines in the area, just not to our farm. And from the numbers above, I see that I am about 10 years younger than Hans. Hey Hans, looks like there's a bunch of city slickers in here! Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Been following this thread with increased interest....just have to throw in my two cents worth. Years ago.,..must have been in the mid to late 50s I would spend time with my Aunt Kay and Uncle Frank. They lived in the old original family home in Leetonia Ohio. No indoor plumbing, no heat, a shed for the Model T that still ran, and a special place with the Sears catalog. Winters were the most interesting...with the feather beds and pillows and quilts so thick it would bury my little body so deep I looked like I was part of the bed. Frozen bed pans, contemplation of the ''quick'' run to the Sears catalog shed in the middle of the night. Brrrrrrrrrrrr...... And yes I had to walk to school ....but it was only a mile or so. Dan/W4NTI |
There are other ways to copy CW other than audio. And I am not talking
about a computer. Lights are one, vibration is another. Dan/W4NTI "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... an_old_friend wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. YMMV I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by ("flying behind the plane") - Mike KB3EIA - As I have mentioned before, my ex had a 70% hearing loss in each ear and tinnitus in both ears. Yet he passed the code. He just cranked the volume up and used headphones. If he can do it, anyone can. I won't deny it can be done - obviously, since my problems are similar. I doubt I'll ever be proficient at Morse though. To get an idea of what it is like for me, imagine concentrating as hard as you can on something. Can I do it? Sure. But not for extended periods. Certainly turning up the headphones helps, but the levels I use are fatiguing, and they sometimes annoy the other ops. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... an_old_friend wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. YMMV I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by ("flying behind the plane") - Mike KB3EIA - As I have mentioned before, my ex had a 70% hearing loss in each ear and tinnitus in both ears. Yet he passed the code. He just cranked the volume up and used headphones. If he can do it, anyone can. I won't deny it can be done - obviously, since my problems are similar. I doubt I'll ever be proficient at Morse though. To get an idea of what it is like for me, imagine concentrating as hard as you can on something. Can I do it? Sure. But not for extended periods. Certainly turning up the headphones helps, but the levels I use are fatiguing, and they sometimes annoy the other ops. - Mike KB3EIA - I understand that completely. If my ex was practicing code without the headphones, I had to leave not only the room, but that floor of the house. If he was using headphones, I could hear it more than well enough to copy his practice sessions. The point is that he passed the test. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Exactly Dee.....these anti-code dunderheads don't get it. It is mostly a matter of dedication and persistence to learn Morse. They obviously have neither. Dan/W4NTI |
Mike,
Send me an e-mail. My spam catcher will get ya. Follow the instructions and I will see it. Lets discuss how to get you going on CW. Dan/W4NTI "an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... Mike Coslo wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. YMMV I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by ("flying behind the plane") Yes there was and remains a problem, 2 of them One Dyslexia, theother dyslexiod aphasia. they affect at basic level my use of letters and langauge. Morse given me chance to blow each letter Ole Stevie et all like to make fun of me for it The only good thing I can say for Morse was that trying to learn it gave a clue to one of the pople that admistered a code test who was able to guess at and begin the dianostic process at an earlier than was common then - Mike KB3EIA - |
This dolt is not only anti cw, but he is anti Amateur Radio. Why does this
NOT surprise me? Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... Learn the code-get the license-forget cw and lobby to ditch the damn ancient waste of time... Join NCI No-Code International. Write your congressman and complain public funds are supporting only a handful of code using radio hobbyists! Complain, complain, complain... John wrote in message oups.com... Michael Coslo wrote: What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? Waiting for the code test to go away to get HF privs kinda reminds me of my old uncle who until the day he passed away ten or so years ago was still waiting for his Pennsylvania Railroad stock go back up and he'd make a wad. - Mike KB3EIA - w3rv |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote and a special place with the Sears catalog. Those shiny pages were hell! Always loved it when mom bought a couple lugs of peaches for canning. Those tissue-like wrappings were a wonder to use. Always thought that in heaven all the outhouses must be equipped with peach wrappers year-round, even when peaches were out of season. (Maybe peaches are always "in season" in heaven?) Winters were the most interesting...with the feather beds and pillows and quilts so thick it would bury my little body so deep I looked like I was part of the bed. My wife is a city girl. After we were married we spent some time (in February) visiting the folks on the farm. First morning it was a wonder to see her hurrying to get dressed before parts were frozen. Then I asked her to toss me my shirt and trousers and I demonstrated how to get fully dressed BEFORE crawling out from under the quilt! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"Dee Flint" wrote Hey Hans, looks like there's a bunch of city slickers in here! Buncha sissies! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Dee Flint wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... an_old_friend wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. YMMV I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by ("flying behind the plane") - Mike KB3EIA - As I have mentioned before, my ex had a 70% hearing loss in each ear and tinnitus in both ears. Yet he passed the code. He just cranked the volume up and used headphones. If he can do it, anyone can. I won't deny it can be done - obviously, since my problems are similar. I doubt I'll ever be proficient at Morse though. To get an idea of what it is like for me, imagine concentrating as hard as you can on something. Can I do it? Sure. But not for extended periods. Certainly turning up the headphones helps, but the levels I use are fatiguing, and they sometimes annoy the other ops. - Mike KB3EIA - I understand that completely. If my ex was practicing code without the headphones, I had to leave not only the room, but that floor of the house. If he was using headphones, I could hear it more than well enough to copy his practice sessions. The point is that he passed the test. Of course. Passing the test is the main point. My XYL-who has very, very, good hearing, can actually listen to the television by the residual sound coming out of my headphones! Problem is it is a little biased toward the high frequencies that way. Most of the time we compromise and turn on the closed captioning. The acuteness of her hearing is such is that she can hear soap bubbles in the dishwater "popping" in the living room, which is about thirty feet from the kitchen.And I cannot hear them under any circumstances. We both feel bad for each other! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - - Mike KB3EIA - |
"ham radio truth" wrote in message groups.com... "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? - Mike KB3EIA - YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike. Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period. The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years. There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined. So? we concentrate on the group of folks that have the TIME to do Ham Radio these days. The retired or soon to be retired group. Let the youth text all they want, chase women, find drugs....so what. 80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones. Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!) None of which has a thing to do with Ham Radio. What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most part today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could not care less either. Ham Radio is and always has been a group of radio geeks. Only recently has this become a "problem". I see no problem with a much smaller, more dedicated group. We don't need 700,000 licensed hams if only a small percentage are actually licensed. As a matter of fact I believe you will find that the membership of the ARRL are the REAL ACTIVE AMATEURS. Not the give a way Tech ticket. These are the folks that wanted a free cell phone. Go for it. Real hams know what this hobby/service is supposed to be. The rest of you are at the bottom of the learning curve. Perhaps if you would pay attention to those that have been there and KNOW what its about....your life would be a bit easier (?). Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are either in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth. Which is exactly how 75 has been since the 1950s. Or earlier for all I know. YOUR POINT IS? Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead by 2030. No it wont. Changed.....but not dead. You of course will be long gone. Good riddance. Dan/W4NTI |
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "mopathetic didn't camp at Dayton! CHICKEN BOY" wrote in message news:jydrrl3q7ldnc5k.290620051907@kirk... exactly but only a couple of guys here even have a clue that is a problem "ham radio truth" wrote in message groups.com... "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? - Mike KB3EIA - YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike. Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period. The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years. There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined. 80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones. Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!) What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most part today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could not care less either. Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are either in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth. Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead by 2030. Well most of the hams I know, including myself, have pretty good odds of still being alive and kicking in 2030. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Maybe by then you and I and/or the OM will have a QSO....hi. Dan/W4NTI |
I talk with a lot of late 80 and early 90 year old hams. You need to wake
up and smell the roses me boy. Dan/W4NTI "mopathetic didn't camp at Dayton! CHICKEN BOY" wrote in message news:xehy40rgttpme82.290620051950@kirk... let me see-the mean age for hams is approx 65-if we add 25 years 65+25=90 since the lifespan of men is shorter than females-you are joking right have you QSO'ed with many 90 year old hams in resthomes-that must be exciting "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "mopathetic didn't camp at Dayton! CHICKEN BOY" wrote in message news:jydrrl3q7ldnc5k.290620051907@kirk... exactly but only a couple of guys here even have a clue that is a problem "ham radio truth" wrote in message groups.com... "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? - Mike KB3EIA - YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike. Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period. The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years. There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined. 80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones. Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!) What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most part today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could not care less either. Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are either in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth. Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead by 2030. Well most of the hams I know, including myself, have pretty good odds of still being alive and kicking in 2030. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dan:
Actually, this "Dolt" is just tired of the standard ancient amateur with his outdated equip taking up bandspace and passing gas... We need new blood just to bring back some excitement and some future progress to the amateur hobby... and we need to get rid of those who oppose and stand in the way of progress... yesterday would not be too soon for these changes... John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message link.net... This dolt is not only anti cw, but he is anti Amateur Radio. Why does this NOT surprise me? Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... Learn the code-get the license-forget cw and lobby to ditch the damn ancient waste of time... Join NCI No-Code International. Write your congressman and complain public funds are supporting only a handful of code using radio hobbyists! Complain, complain, complain... John wrote in message oups.com... Michael Coslo wrote: What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? Waiting for the code test to go away to get HF privs kinda reminds me of my old uncle who until the day he passed away ten or so years ago was still waiting for his Pennsylvania Railroad stock go back up and he'd make a wad. - Mike KB3EIA - w3rv |
Dan:
That certainly sounds as exciting as a visit to a rest home, which, by the way, is something I attempt to avoid at all costs... .... only another 80 year old can really appreciate another 80 year old... John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message link.net... I talk with a lot of late 80 and early 90 year old hams. You need to wake up and smell the roses me boy. Dan/W4NTI "mopathetic didn't camp at Dayton! CHICKEN BOY" wrote in message news:xehy40rgttpme82.290620051950@kirk... let me see-the mean age for hams is approx 65-if we add 25 years 65+25=90 since the lifespan of men is shorter than females-you are joking right have you QSO'ed with many 90 year old hams in resthomes-that must be exciting "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "mopathetic didn't camp at Dayton! CHICKEN BOY" wrote in message news:jydrrl3q7ldnc5k.290620051907@kirk... exactly but only a couple of guys here even have a clue that is a problem "ham radio truth" wrote in message groups.com... "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? - Mike KB3EIA - YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike. Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period. The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years. There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined. 80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones. Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!) What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most part today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could not care less either. Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are either in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth. Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead by 2030. Well most of the hams I know, including myself, have pretty good odds of still being alive and kicking in 2030. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dan:
Well, the 60 to 90 crowd have the bands now, they think they can live forever and protect their status--we will see--won't we? In the meantime, when new "would be hams" cite the code and leave, I am recommending they hold off and see what is going to happen in the future, I point out if the code is dropped they would change their minds... John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message hlink.net... "ham radio truth" wrote in message groups.com... "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? - Mike KB3EIA - YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike. Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period. The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years. There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined. So? we concentrate on the group of folks that have the TIME to do Ham Radio these days. The retired or soon to be retired group. Let the youth text all they want, chase women, find drugs....so what. 80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones. Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!) None of which has a thing to do with Ham Radio. What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most part today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could not care less either. Ham Radio is and always has been a group of radio geeks. Only recently has this become a "problem". I see no problem with a much smaller, more dedicated group. We don't need 700,000 licensed hams if only a small percentage are actually licensed. As a matter of fact I believe you will find that the membership of the ARRL are the REAL ACTIVE AMATEURS. Not the give a way Tech ticket. These are the folks that wanted a free cell phone. Go for it. Real hams know what this hobby/service is supposed to be. The rest of you are at the bottom of the learning curve. Perhaps if you would pay attention to those that have been there and KNOW what its about....your life would be a bit easier (?). Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are either in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth. Which is exactly how 75 has been since the 1950s. Or earlier for all I know. YOUR POINT IS? Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead by 2030. No it wont. Changed.....but not dead. You of course will be long gone. Good riddance. Dan/W4NTI |
"Kim" wrote in message m... "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? - Mike KB3EIA - Hi Mike: I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never really wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV, anything digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc. I think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this newsgroup, except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just don't wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are pretty much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as I do anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor the tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast things in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the "idiots" on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms :o). For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So, could you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I don't think most of us feel that strongly about it. Kim W5TIT I'm sorry.....knowing full well she has me deep sixed, I just have to comment..... What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show? Or maybe she means Slow Scan TV?? SSTV.......Hmmmmm. Then...."APRS if that can be considered digital". Amazing.....and she has a license? Amazing. Dan/W4NTI |
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... Kim wrote: "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? - Mike KB3EIA - Hi Mike: I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never really wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV, anything digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc. I think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this newsgroup, except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just don't wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are pretty much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as I do anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor the tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast things in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the "idiots" on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms :o). For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So, could you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I don't think most of us feel that strongly about it. Yeah, "haters" was the wrong choice of word in retrospect. - Mike KB3EIA - No it's not Mike. There are Morse Code haters out there. Lennie the loser is one of the main ones. Dan/W4NTI |
Speaking of AC plugs Lennie the loser....how about doing us all a favor and
show your "eeee" competence at a level we all know you are at? Stick your index finger and the little finger into the AC plug and write us a technical report on the results. Putz. Dan/W4NTI wrote in message oups.com... From: Michael Coslo on Thurs 30 Jun 2005 08:19 Kim wrote: "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never really wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV, anything digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc. I think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this newsgroup, except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just don't wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are pretty much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as I do anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor the tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast things in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the "idiots" on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms :o). For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So, could you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I don't think most of us feel that strongly about it. Yeah, "haters" was the wrong choice of word in retrospect. No, it wasn't "wrong." It got exactly what you wanted to get in here...more polarization on a topic already rife with polarized "opinions" and personal pontifications. It is no different than the self-ascribed "representative" of ALL radio amateurs saying a challenger "hates ham radio" when all the challenger did was dislike the opinion of the "representative." The hobby activity of amateur radio is supposedly about personal recreation of the hobbyist (which includes personal daydreams of being in a "service to the nation"...if the daydreamer is a bit over the edge). That means they get the OPTION of doing anything they want as allowed by the FCC. Ya know what? The FCC has long since abandoned any necessity of hams being required by law to show evidence of "CW" contacts in a year's time! [How about that...and...Sunnuvagun!] Every single allocated mode is perfectly optional to use at the licensee's OPTION! Isn't that "terrible!" OPTION! Why, with all the nastywords and implied impropriety of all those who do not choose the beloved, honored, revered, treasured, adored "CW," all those who don't bother with "CW" ought to turn in their ham licenses and make public apologies for not "holding tradition!" But, the olde-fahrts still shout and holler for "tradition" and demands to keep the test for "CW" that is adored, treasured, revered, honored, beloved, etc., because "that is how it should be!" [in their tight little fantasy world] Every ham, according to those olde-fahrt wunderkinder of long-ago days, MUST do good morsemanship! :-) One MUST "show dedication, etc., to the 'amateur community'" by doing as all those olde-fahrts DEMAND. ["it is only right" cry the olde-fahrts] They think they "rule." No problem. Well, one problem...no forwarding address to send all that "dedication and committment" to the "community" as required by the unwritten law... Meanwhile, the newcomers (who don't seem to count to the olde- fahrts or the league of distinguished, nearly extinguished gentlemen of Newington) are getting IN to amateur radio through the NO-CODE-TEST class. Many more than are "flocking" to the "CW faithful" churches of the lesser-day saints of "CW." They take the OPTIONS available by law. Nearly half of all ham licensees by now... Option is no failure. Continue to shun AC and keep the polarization going. Ask them pre-loaded questions. |
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... Kim wrote: "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? - Mike KB3EIA - Hi Mike: I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never really wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV, anything digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc. I think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this newsgroup, except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just don't wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are pretty much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as I do anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor the tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast things in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the "idiots" on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms :o). For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So, could you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I don't think most of us feel that strongly about it. Yeah, "haters" was the wrong choice of word in retrospect. - Mike KB3EIA - Besides that, Kim, you did what people like myself and Mike and so many others advocate. That is you took the testing in place at the time that was required for the privileges that you wanted. You didn't sit on your hands and wait for the testing procedure to change. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Yes she did....then proceeded to show us how ignorant she was/is. Proof positive of the dumbing down of Amateur Radio....IMHO. Dan/W4NTI |
Dan:
Now I ask you, "What boob would use SSTV?" A webcam on a computer, compressing and digitizing the video and then converting to an audio signal and finally delivering it to a transceiver, to be picked up and decoded at the other end and fed to a soundcard/computer monitor produces a MUCH clearer sharper and more fps... SSTV is for dinosaurs!!! Wake up, it is already 2005! John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... "Kim" wrote in message m... "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better thing than learning it to get the priveliges? - Mike KB3EIA - Hi Mike: I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never really wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV, anything digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV, etc. I think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this newsgroup, except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just don't wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are pretty much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode (as I do anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor the tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast things in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the "idiots" on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms :o). For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and I learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So, could you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I don't think most of us feel that strongly about it. Kim W5TIT I'm sorry.....knowing full well she has me deep sixed, I just have to comment..... What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show? Or maybe she means Slow Scan TV?? SSTV.......Hmmmmm. Then...."APRS if that can be considered digital". Amazing.....and she has a license? Amazing. Dan/W4NTI |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote What the heck is SCTV? Is that a TV show? Yup. "Second City TV" 70's-80's with John Candy and others. Hilarious stuff. My favorite was the dimwit McKenzie brothers from "The Great White North" segment. Basically the Canadian version of rednecks, but more so. Eh, hoser? 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... an_old_friend wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: What is more important: 1. Having a license that allows HF access. 2. Not having to learn Morse code. YMMV I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by ("flying behind the plane") - Mike KB3EIA - As I have mentioned before, my ex had a 70% hearing loss in each ear and tinnitus in both ears. Yet he passed the code. He just cranked the volume up and used headphones. If he can do it, anyone can. I won't deny it can be done - obviously, since my problems are similar. I doubt I'll ever be proficient at Morse though. To get an idea of what it is like for me, imagine concentrating as hard as you can on something. Can I do it? Sure. But not for extended periods. Certainly turning up the headphones helps, but the levels I use are fatiguing, and they sometimes annoy the other ops. - Mike KB3EIA - I understand that completely. If my ex was practicing code without the headphones, I had to leave not only the room, but that floor of the house. If he was using headphones, I could hear it more than well enough to copy his practice sessions. The point is that he passed the test. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Exactly Dee.....these anti-code dunderheads don't get it. It is mostly a matter of dedication and persistence to learn Morse. They obviously have neither. No it is matter of law, by what power does the FCC have to continue this Morse Code Welfare program. Nothing in the constitution, and nothing anymore in the the treaty. and no one has shown how any provision of the sonstitution allows the FCC to without access to hf based on the skill in the mode. The FCC has ruled in the past that it does not have a case to make. But ultimately one thing many of them do lack is desire, desire to learn Morse is a requirement it is indeed one of the most vital requirement to learn the mode. Why don't they have this desire? I don't know. but maybe you should look to seeling the mode better, if you think it is important Dan/W4NTI |
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